Post by MainlanderPost by Mark NewtonPost by Mark NewtonPost by MainlanderThe affairs of the group, which is a restricted membership list,
are not up for public discussion in any forum such as this. I
will simply note that the group is by far and away the most
popular group of its type in the NZ rail scene indicating a high
level of satisfaction by its members, who represent a wide cross
section of the rail enthusiast community in NZ. This would tend
to indicate that the comments made are not representative of the
experiences of most members.
Crikey dick, have youse jokers in Enzed still got trains to photograph, eh?
Yes, there are also heritage groups up and down the country with
activities going on.
With all the online bickering going on, I'm surprised any one has any
time available for photography, let alone preservation.
The situation has been greatly misrepresented. I could make the same
I'm not sure that it has been "greatly misrepresented" as you claim.
In fact, as one contunues researching through the messages on the
"NZRAILWAYS MESSAGE ARCHIVES" website, it becomes more and more apparent how
valid the background to this situation becomes.
A large proportion of the messages display ongoing bitter disputes, mainly
between Patrick Dunford (who is referred to as Dumford) and other members
including Christine Johnson and tranzrailphotographers (the Patrick free
site) and a lot of the messages are laced with all sorts of personal digs.
Some more samples from this intriguing site are listed here......
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MESSAGE 5039
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From: "Patrick Dunford"
Date: Mon Dec 25, 2000 10:29 pm
Subject: RE: [nzrailways] Re: Stalled Dx's, sparks etc
Post by Mainlander-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, 25 December 2000 18:19
Subject: [nzrailways] Re: Stalled Dx's, sparks etc
Hi everyone,
It would appear that poor Patrick has a rather thin skin, or could it
be a case of "the cap fitting"?
Shut up Patrick unless you have something CONSTRUCTIVE to offer.
I get tired of reading destructive rubbish like you have written
below.
This is NOT a personal attack on Patrick Dunford.
I read it as one. I have a right of reply to the constant attacks made
on me
by one or two members of this group. The whole thing would function
much
more smoothly if they ceased to do so. In this group I have constantly
to
put up with baiting and stirring by these people who constantly
suggest that
I should do this and that. I have asked them to desist but you have
just
seen Ms Johnston come back with the latest attack on me, which she is
unable
to restrain herself from doing. I have had a huge amount of abuse from
her
in private e-mails recently.
http://www.trainweb.org/nzrailways/Messages_05001_to_05100.html
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MESSAGE 4716
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From: "Patrick Dunford"
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 1:49 am
Subject: RE: Frothers & Foamers
Post by MainlanderDate: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 11:15:08 -0000
Subject: Frothers & Foamers
There are frothers and then there are the foamers. I have had enough
of this persons remarks so I thought I would demonstrate what a
foamer
Post by MainlanderPatrick Dunford, Christchurch, NZ - http://pdunford.godzone.net.nz/
(If you wanna keep the peace on this group, then people in glashouses
shouldn't throw stones). You can chuck me out for this, I really
don't
Post by Mainlandergive a hoot. As usual everything was going along fine until the above
person put his boot in his mouth again.
GROW UP AND GET ON WITH IT PATRICK YOU LOSER.
Jack M
Would you like to state whether you are actually Jack, or Christine
Johnston
who also uses this e-mail address?
Also what is your problem? If you don't like it here just go away.
I have exercised a right of reply to two messages from Ms Johnston that
could only be described as outright provocation and stirring, in which
she
chose to name me personally and suggest that I should do this or that.
It's
a pity she doesn't take her own advice.
As far as I can see the number of posts being made by Ms Johnston and
the
number of photographs she has been putting into the files area
indicates she
wants to run this group. I don't think that is in the best interests
of this
group myself, but I don't really care now.
http://www.trainweb.org/nzrailways/Messages_04701_to_04800.html
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MESSAGE 4734
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From: "J 1200 NZGR"
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 10:06 am
Subject: HOW DARE YOU
How dare you insinuate that Mr "Dumford"! NO YOU ARE WRONG, IT WAS
NOT ME! I am not about to tolerate such insolence from a lump of
utter
animosity such as yourself, but I will hold my head above your type
this time, without replying with a return insult, although with such
provocation, I DAMNED WELL SHOULD. Keep me out of this please. GET ON
WITH PART 2 OF YOUR DG ARTICLE!
Chris. J
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MESSAGE 4737
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From: "Patrick Dunford"
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 10:39 am
Subject: Re: HOW DARE YOU
Post by MainlanderHow dare you insinuate that Mr "Dumford"!
NO YOU ARE WRONG, IT WAS
Post by MainlanderNOT ME! I am not about to tolerate such
insolence from a lump of
utter
Post by Mainlanderanimosity such as yourself, but I will hold
my head above your type
Post by Mainlanderthis time, without replying with a return
insult, although with
such
Post by Mainlanderprovocation, I DAMNED WELL SHOULD. Keep me
out of this please. GET
ON
Post by MainlanderWITH PART 2 OF YOUR DG ARTICLE!
LOL :)
Now seriously, you have used Mr M's e-mail
address in the past, and
quite recently, and I only recall Mr M ever
posting here twice
actually signed as Mr M. There have been more
posts from that address
from you than from Mr M. Furthermore Mr M.
chose to attack me
publicly in this list, twice, after I
privately e-mailed him
suggesting he was a liar.
I agree to keep you out of it if you agree to
stop posting
provocative messages suggesting I should do
this, or that, or
inferring/implying things about me or my
beliefs.
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MESSAGE 4738
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From: "J 1200 NZGR"
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 10:44 am
Subject: Historical Items
Sorry folks. I have a stack of historical
railway items, many of
which would be of interest to members of this
group, especially re
signals and locomotives. Being a railway group,
why not post a few
railway pic's, it's a bit obvious why. I will
not be posting anything
of this nature again, historical or otherwise.
I'll leave you to get
on with your kiddie talk Patrick. As you have
an obvious dislike of
such, you can remove my photo's yourself! I
resent the false
accusations made against me.
Chris. J
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MESSAGE 4751
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From: "Steve Brown"
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 8:09 pm
Subject: Re: Historical Items
You are incredible, someone does what this group
is all about, then you beat
them up for doing it.
Accusations of taking over the group because they
post a few piccies of
twains, sorta does not sound right.
You have lost the plot sunshine.
I suppose you belong to the flat earth society.
After reading the private E Mail YOU sent CHRIS
JOHNSON, I have to seriously
doubt the state of your sanity as well, but, as
you seem to be very unwell I
will give you the benefit of doubt and even more
reasonably will assist you
in visiting a medical professional to sort your
problems.
To this end, I wish to solemly suggest that all
members of this group
contribute a small donation to a CHCH based member
who will oversee the
complete operation. From information gleaned from
friends in the medical
field I would suggest that Patrick is overdue for
an Optorectomy.
This is most solemn and serious and should not be
treated as a joke as such.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Dunford"
To:
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 11:54 PM
Subject: [nzrailways] Re: Historical Items
Post by MainlanderPost by Mark NewtonSorry folks. I have a stack of historical
railway items, many of
Post by MainlanderPost by Mark Newtonwhich would be of interest to members of this
group, especially re
Post by MainlanderPost by Mark Newtonsignals and locomotives. Being a railway
group, why not post a few
Post by MainlanderPost by Mark Newtonrailway pic's, it's a bit obvious why. I will
not be posting
Post by Mainlanderanything
Post by Mark Newtonof this nature again, historical or otherwise.
I'll leave you to
Post by Mainlanderget
Post by Mark Newtonon with your kiddie talk Patrick. As you have
an obvious dislike of
Post by MainlanderPost by Mark Newtonsuch, you can remove my photo's yourself! I
resent the false
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MESSAGE 4752
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From: "Patrick Dunford"
Date: Mon Dec 18, 2000 10:30 pm
Subject: Re: Historical Items
Post by MainlanderYou are incredible, someone does what this group is
all about, then
you beat
Post by Mainlanderthem up for doing it.
No I asked "them" to stop attacking me on this
newsgroup. You can
read the rest of the conversation at
http://www.egroups.com/messages/nzrailways-moderators/
Post by MainlanderAccusations of taking over the group because they
post a few
piccies of
Post by Mainlandertwains, sorta does not sound right.
Actually she stated previously that no-one could tell
her what to do
in this group. That sounds like a fairly
straightforward claim to
authority.
Post by MainlanderYou have lost the plot sunshine.
I suppose you belong to the flat earth society.
After reading the private E Mail YOU sent CHRIS
JOHNSON,
Why did she send it to you?
Post by MainlanderThis is most solemn and serious and should not be
treated as a joke
Oh of course. Tis the season to be jolly, tra la la
la la...
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From: "Jeff Davidson"
Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 2:59 am
Subject: Re: [nzrailways] Re: Frothers & Foamers
Fred, Evan, Daniel et al,
I agree, this should not turn into a people bashing session. Patrick is
as
entitled to his opinions as anyone, however, when one or more
individuals
wish to dominate this group its time to take a look at our direction;
similarly I get a little tired of the "Chris J" group continually making
veiled comments and potshots at Ian Welch and MLS.
Patrick, if you want to be a polititian please go to the political news
group. Chris, (or whoever you all are at the same email terminal, and
I've
lost count trying to work out who you are) if you wish to dominate a
group:
go start one for yourself.
People we are here to talk trains: steam diesel electric I dont care,
but
hey, unless you have a really good joke to share, lets keep the topics
discussed relevant to this group.
Cheers,
Jeff
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MESSAGE 4785
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From: "Simon Mann"
Date: Tue Dec 19, 2000 11:06 am
Subject: Re: [nzrailways] Frothers & Foamers
The path of the righteous man is be set on all sides by the tyrrany of
evil
men.
There has been alot of talk recently about the fact there are too many
different groups in such a small country, is there any wonder when this
kind
of thing s going on.
If Patrick represented Ferrymead and Chris J represented Steam inc at a
meeting for one large Society for the country then how much would get
done.
That is the reason I don't belong to any societys, groups etc.....
It's interestng what you read in this chat group for my own intrests
sake
but it just re inforces why I choose not to belong to any group.
Good hard boys you are really showing a side to rail nutting thats
really
appealing.
Amen to that brothers.
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MESSAGE 4614
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From: "J 1200 NZGR"
Date: Fri Dec 15, 2000 12:38 pm
Subject: NZRail Politics
I note that there is another EGroup called
nzrail politics, which has
had only 3 messages for the whole of this
year. Perhaps Patrick might
like to start some "logical" arguments to get
this group off the
ground.
Chris. J
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MESSAGE 4630
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From: "Patrick Dunford"
Date: Sat Dec 16, 2000 6:39 am
Subject: Re: NZRail Politics
As far as I can see, ChrisJ is stirring the pot
again, as she often
does. Why doesn't she post this kind of message
there instead.
Post by MainlanderI started that Egroup a year ago to try and get
Patrick (and
others) to
Post by Mainlanderargue in there instead of in other groups.
Peter Wilson
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MESSAGE 4695
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From: ***@h...
Date: Sun Dec 17, 2000 11:15 am
Subject: Frothers & Foamers
There are frothers and then there are the
foamers. I have had enough
of this persons remarks so I thought I would
demonstrate what a foamer
is. Here is an example of what a foamer is:
Patrick Dunford, Christchurch, NZ -
http://pdunford.godzone.net.nz/
(If you wanna keep the peace on this group,
then people in glashouses
shouldn't throw stones). You can chuck me out
for this, I really don't
give a hoot. As usual everything was going
along fine until the above
person put his boot in his mouth again.
GROW UP AND GET ON WITH IT PATRICK YOU LOSER.
Jack M
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