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The Treaty Priniples Bill - have the protestors read it?
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Crash
2024-11-19 07:11:50 UTC
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Serious question.

No opponent of this bill has quoted wording from the Bill to support
the reasons why they oppose it.

Which bit seeks to 'rewrite the Treaty' (as if that was possible)?

Which bit disadvantages Maori? Well I can think of some instances but
this involves removal of privileges the rest of us don't have.

Lastly this Bill will not become law. There was no need at all for
any protest. The fact that protest occurred indicates to me that
there are a huge number of ignorant and gullible people out there who
could afford to take time off for pointless protest, or that there is
a small number of people who will use any excuse to promote anarchy
(unsuccessfully).

Lastly - this is not the first Treaty Principles Bill rodeo (apologies
if needed to Winston Peters). NZF put forward a similar Bill in
2005-2006 (Google 'Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Deletion Bill
2006') which everyone ignored then as they should have now.
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Crash McBash
Gordon
2024-11-19 08:02:50 UTC
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Post by Crash
Serious question.
No opponent of this bill has quoted wording from the Bill to support
the reasons why they oppose it.
That is a given. The active Left do not give a reason, apart from all else
are racists, etc.
Post by Crash
Which bit seeks to 'rewrite the Treaty' (as if that was possible)?
The bit about saying that the principles in the Act will apply.

Also the Government shall pass the laws and Govern, no partnership needed.
Post by Crash
Which bit disadvantages Maori? Well I can think of some instances but
this involves removal of privileges the rest of us don't have.
It will remove the possibility of Maori sovereignty.
Post by Crash
Lastly this Bill will not become law. There was no need at all for
any protest. The fact that protest occurred indicates to me that
there are a huge number of ignorant and gullible people out there who
could afford to take time off for pointless protest, or that there is
a small number of people who will use any excuse to promote anarchy
(unsuccessfully).
I think the anarchy promoters are larger than a small number.
Post by Crash
Lastly - this is not the first Treaty Principles Bill rodeo (apologies
if needed to Winston Peters). NZF put forward a similar Bill in
2005-2006 (Google 'Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Deletion Bill
2006') which everyone ignored then as they should have now.
Crash
2024-11-19 19:05:49 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Post by Crash
Serious question.
No opponent of this bill has quoted wording from the Bill to support
the reasons why they oppose it.
That is a given. The active Left do not give a reason, apart from all else
are racists, etc.
Post by Crash
Which bit seeks to 'rewrite the Treaty' (as if that was possible)?
The bit about saying that the principles in the Act will apply.
That does not 'rewrite' the Treaty.
Post by Gordon
Also the Government shall pass the laws and Govern, no partnership needed.
Post by Crash
Which bit disadvantages Maori? Well I can think of some instances but
this involves removal of privileges the rest of us don't have.
It will remove the possibility of Maori sovereignty.
Where is this granted in the Treaty?
Post by Gordon
Post by Crash
Lastly this Bill will not become law. There was no need at all for
any protest. The fact that protest occurred indicates to me that
there are a huge number of ignorant and gullible people out there who
could afford to take time off for pointless protest, or that there is
a small number of people who will use any excuse to promote anarchy
(unsuccessfully).
I think the anarchy promoters are larger than a small number.
In a nation of 3 million (approx) voters, they are proportionately a
small number, as are those who claim Maori heritage.
Post by Gordon
Post by Crash
Lastly - this is not the first Treaty Principles Bill rodeo (apologies
if needed to Winston Peters). NZF put forward a similar Bill in
2005-2006 (Google 'Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Deletion Bill
2006') which everyone ignored then as they should have now.
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Crash McBash
Tony
2024-11-19 19:53:57 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Post by Crash
Serious question.
No opponent of this bill has quoted wording from the Bill to support
the reasons why they oppose it.
That is a given. The active Left do not give a reason, apart from all else
are racists, etc.
Post by Crash
Which bit seeks to 'rewrite the Treaty' (as if that was possible)?
The bit about saying that the principles in the Act will apply.
Also the Government shall pass the laws and Govern, no partnership needed.
Post by Crash
Which bit disadvantages Maori? Well I can think of some instances but
this involves removal of privileges the rest of us don't have.
It will remove the possibility of Maori sovereignty.
Post by Crash
Lastly this Bill will not become law. There was no need at all for
any protest. The fact that protest occurred indicates to me that
there are a huge number of ignorant and gullible people out there who
could afford to take time off for pointless protest, or that there is
a small number of people who will use any excuse to promote anarchy
(unsuccessfully).
I think the anarchy promoters are larger than a small number.
For perspective, the Hikoi that arrived in Wellington consisted of less than 1
percent of NZ adults, but in fact included lots of children. So total support
is tiny, but they have a loud voice. Shades of TPM.
Post by Gordon
Post by Crash
Lastly - this is not the first Treaty Principles Bill rodeo (apologies
if needed to Winston Peters). NZF put forward a similar Bill in
2005-2006 (Google 'Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Deletion Bill
2006') which everyone ignored then as they should have now.
Tony
2024-11-19 08:03:00 UTC
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Post by Crash
Serious question.
No opponent of this bill has quoted wording from the Bill to support
the reasons why they oppose it.
Which bit seeks to 'rewrite the Treaty' (as if that was possible)?
Absolutely nobody has said or written that.
Post by Crash
Which bit disadvantages Maori? Well I can think of some instances but
this involves removal of privileges the rest of us don't have.
Agreed.
Post by Crash
Lastly this Bill will not become law. There was no need at all for
any protest. The fact that protest occurred indicates to me that
there are a huge number of ignorant and gullible people out there who
could afford to take time off for pointless protest, or that there is
a small number of people who will use any excuse to promote anarchy
(unsuccessfully).
Yes there is, I believe. There were palestiine flags in the march, there were
signs concerning gender matters. I watched television closely and those things
did not show up when I was watching but those things were there because I saw
them in person. That does not mean I agree or disagree with those other issues
but yes, it was just an excuse.
Post by Crash
Lastly - this is not the first Treaty Principles Bill rodeo (apologies
if needed to Winston Peters). NZF put forward a similar Bill in
2005-2006 (Google 'Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Deletion Bill
2006') which everyone ignored then as they should have now.
Seymour has consistently argued that he wants the issue discussed and debated -
I can only be suspicious of anybody who refuses to discuss an important matter
but goes further by trying to prevent other people from haveng the discussion.
That is happening, that is a major reason for the Hikoi.
Post by Crash
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Crash McBash
Mutley
2024-11-19 20:19:10 UTC
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Post by Tony
Post by Crash
Serious question.
No opponent of this bill has quoted wording from the Bill to support
the reasons why they oppose it.
Which bit seeks to 'rewrite the Treaty' (as if that was possible)?
Absolutely nobody has said or written that.
Post by Crash
Which bit disadvantages Maori? Well I can think of some instances but
this involves removal of privileges the rest of us don't have.
Agreed.
Post by Crash
Lastly this Bill will not become law. There was no need at all for
any protest. The fact that protest occurred indicates to me that
there are a huge number of ignorant and gullible people out there who
could afford to take time off for pointless protest, or that there is
a small number of people who will use any excuse to promote anarchy
(unsuccessfully).
Yes there is, I believe. There were palestiine flags in the march, there were
signs concerning gender matters. I watched television closely and those things
did not show up when I was watching but those things were there because I saw
them in person. That does not mean I agree or disagree with those other issues
but yes, it was just an excuse.
Post by Crash
Lastly - this is not the first Treaty Principles Bill rodeo (apologies
if needed to Winston Peters). NZF put forward a similar Bill in
2005-2006 (Google 'Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Deletion Bill
2006') which everyone ignored then as they should have now.
Seymour has consistently argued that he wants the issue discussed and debated -
I can only be suspicious of anybody who refuses to discuss an important matter
but goes further by trying to prevent other people from haveng the discussion.
That is happening, that is a major reason for the Hikoi.
Post by Crash
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Crash McBash
Also didn't see one New Zealand flag in them march only Maori
separatist ones.

Mutley
2024-11-19 20:17:43 UTC
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Post by Crash
Serious question.
No opponent of this bill has quoted wording from the Bill to support
the reasons why they oppose it.
Which bit seeks to 'rewrite the Treaty' (as if that was possible)?
Which bit disadvantages Maori? Well I can think of some instances but
this involves removal of privileges the rest of us don't have.
Lastly this Bill will not become law. There was no need at all for
any protest. The fact that protest occurred indicates to me that
there are a huge number of ignorant and gullible people out there who
could afford to take time off for pointless protest, or that there is
a small number of people who will use any excuse to promote anarchy
(unsuccessfully).
Lastly - this is not the first Treaty Principles Bill rodeo (apologies
if needed to Winston Peters). NZF put forward a similar Bill in
2005-2006 (Google 'Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Deletion Bill
2006') which everyone ignored then as they should have now.
I would suspect not. Just another anti government and pro Maori
protest to go on. The news media is really hyping this up. Time
they were defunded.
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