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Purveyors of Bullshit (No. 1: KEVIN ROBERTS)
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Morrissey Breen
2004-10-24 09:26:50 UTC
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Purveyors of Bullshit
No.1: KEVIN ROBERTS

When it comes to naming the most embarrassing (and least
embarrassable) people in New Zealand public life, this bloke would
always come at, or near, the top of the list ---- unless you have a
high regard for self-serving, shallow, babbling crap artistes.

Now, whether you like them or not, you musty admit that some right
wing thinkers at least can state coherently what they believe. This
is not the case with the baffling Roberts, who has never, to our
knowledge, uttered a sentence that makes sense. It should be noted
that Roberts' inability (or unwillingness?) to say anything that makes
sense has not prevented him from rising to the top of the corporate
world. Saatchi and Saatchi pay him an obscene amount of money to
churn out this sort of crapola every day. We take the view that this
is as much a reflection on the intellectual rigour (or lack of it) of
the advertising world and the corporate world as it is a tribute to
the unflappable, unshameable Roberts, blitherer and bullshitter par
excellence.

We urge you to sit back and enjoy the following piece of unmitigated
bullshit from the man who once wrote an open letter to the New York
Times, urging N.Y. governor George Pataki to DISPENSE WITH AN ELECTION
and just re-appoint a mafia-connected mayor. When this bloke's fertile
mind starts fertilising, you have to just.... well, sit back and
enjoy!

INDOOR FIREWORKS 
Kevin Roberts' presentation at Borders Westwood bookstore, Los
Angeles, delivered on 4 August 2004.
http://www.lovemarks.com/media/speech.php
I have always believed in the power of ideas. Ideas are like
fireworks. They spark the present and light up the future. At Saatchi
& Saatchi we believe Nothing is Impossible.

We are at the end of a great journey. From Products to Trademarks,
from Trademarks to Brands.

Brands have stalled. Lost in the clutter of the Attention Economy.
Mauled by ferocious competition. Eroded by commodification - the
process that erodes distinctions, that rapidly cycles through
innovations and pushes for ever higher standards of performance and
quality.

Consumers live in a world where the snacks are crisp, cars start first
time and all beer tastes good. Brands are table-stakes. What comes
next?

Saatchi & Saatchi found the answer in some outstanding brands. Brands
that have transformed how they connect with consumers. Brands that
consumers Love.

They invent a future beyond brands.

Lovemarks are super-evolved brands that make deep emotional
connections with consumers. Passionate connections that go inside
people's lives and make a difference.

We call the people who love and sustain these brands Inspirational
Consumers. California is a hotbed of Inspirational Consumers. You lead
the edge of a breaking wave in consumer power. A brand new world
shaped not by companies, governments, marketers or media. But by
consumers.

Lovemarks are owned by the people who love and use them.
Lovemarks inspire Loyalty Beyond Reason.
Lovemarks can be anything that people care deeply about. And as
Lovemarks.com, our virtual testing ground shows, it's amazing what
people do care about!

We've had an avalanche of Lovemarks nominations on Lovemarks.com -
everything from Lego and Leatherman to Google, Gandhi and the grand
prize in our Lovemark.com story competition – the Toyota Prius.

For ten months the world's consumers have been sending us Lovemarks
stories of passion, of inspiration, of dream, of poetry. Many moved
us. One especially touched us. Shortly I will reward that touch with
the car that owns Hollywood. Stand by for the Prius winner
presentation.

Take a brand away and people replace it. Take a Lovemark away and
people protest. We all have our own Lovemarks: the restaurant we keep
secret. The only tennis racquet we'll ever buy. The book store we
break appointments for. The sports teams we back forever...

Lovemarks are the charismatic brands that people get emotional about.
You know them instantly whether you are in LA, London, Shanghai or
Rio.

Harley Davidson, definitely. Suzuki? I don't think so.
The iPod is a Lovemark; Sony is playing catch up.
Russell Crowe as "Gladiator" was the real deal. Brad Pitt as Achilles
was a "Troy-Boy".
Bush or Kerry? You tell me!!!

Five insights into Lovemarks

1. Lovemarks capture emotion. Once it was safer not only to dumb down,
but to numb down as well. No longer. Emotion is back in style. Science
has proved that humans are powered by emotion, not by reason. Brain
scientist Donald Calne sums up: "The essential difference between
emotion and reason is that emotion leads to action, while reason leads
to conclusions." More emotion, more action.

Emotion is the new frontier of marketing. Give people more reasons to
do stuff and their eyes glaze over. Only emotion excites them to
action.People without passion or emotion cannot do great work. People
with passion and emotion can do anything.

They work the Is and the Es: I for Ideas, Imagination, Intuition,
Insight and Inspiration. E for Emotion, Empathy, Energy, Exploration,
Enchantment. Edge.

2. Lovemarks are Irreplaceable and Irresistible. Big brands have made
huge investments in Respect for decades. But Respect is no longer
enough. Respect can make brands Irreplaceable to millions of consumers
everyday. Only Love makes them Irresistible. Nothing else will do.

3. Lovemarks earn both Love and Respect. We mapped Love and Respect on
this Axis. Low Respect, Low Love. Commodity hell. Steel, gravel and
logs. No names with no claims.Low Respect, High Love. The Fad zone.
Hero today. Zero tomorrow. From Ugg boots to Martha.

High Respect, Low Love – most brands are stuck here focused on the
"e-r" words: newer, brighter, stronger, bolder, and … cheaper. High
Respect, High Love. Lovemarks. New value lies in this uncharted
territory.

For decades our client Toyota's passion has been Respect. Now they are
connecting with the power of emotion. Senior vice president at Toyota
USA Don Esmond on the new challenge: "It's time to move from the most
respected car company in America to the most loved." That would put
Toyota right here: High Love and High Respect. A Lovemark.

4. Lovemarks touch Mystery, Sensuality and Intimacy. This is why my
book looks the way it does. Big impact visuals alongside intimate
details. Anything to open people up to the spirit of Lovemarks.

Mystery to draw together stories, metaphors, dreams and symbols. Most
brands squeeze out Mystery with too much information. When everything
is known, there is nothing left to thrill.

Sensuality shapes the emotions. Sight, sound, smell, touch, taste.
Through the five senses we experience the world. On Screen. In Store,
On the go.

And the warm breath of Intimacy. The fine art of being close to
consumers, without getting in their faces. Empathy, commitment and
passion. The intimate connections that today no one takes for granted.

5.We can measure Lovemarks. Lovemarks are now backed up by another E
word: Evidence. Lovemarks reinvent brands. To prove it we reinvented
research. Saatchi & Saatchi has been working with QiQ International
from London for more than a year. We have developed a unique
methodology to measure Lovemarks and emotion.

We can now measure the unmeasurable. We have remarkable evidence of
the huge commercial advantages of Lovemarks. In terms of preference,
in terms of usage, in terms of future purchase.

Lovemarks action. I am a working CEO, not a consultant or academic.
What matters to me is action. The REAL world of business is anchored
by Respect at one end and inspired by Love at the other. Propelling
them both forward is Emotion and Action.

R-E-A-L. Respect, Emotion, Action and Love. The essence of Lovemarks.

Lovemarks put the consumer at the center. They understand the source
of their power. As Executive Vice President of Toyota, Yoshio Ishizaka
says: "Lovemarks are determined by the customers, not us. We really
cannot determine anything. The customer does that. That is the
essence."

P&G is the world's largest advertiser. Their mantra? The Consumer is
Boss. CEO A G Lafley wrote the Foreword. "By building brands that
people love we are helping P&G reinvent how to create and nurture big
brands."

Lovemarks are now out in the world. People don't park their emotions
outside the marketplace. They put them in the driver's seat. Emotion
rules our life choices. Love inspires them.

Lovemarks needs ideas people. Radical optimists. Inspirational
Consumers. People who are emotional, challenging, inclusive, truthful.
Who are determined to make a difference.

Who wants to do anything less?


copyright 2003 lovemarks.com | all rights reserved

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Gib Bogle
2004-10-24 18:55:17 UTC
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Post by Morrissey Breen
Purveyors of Bullshit
No.1: KEVIN ROBERTS
When it comes to naming the most embarrassing (and least
embarrassable) people in New Zealand public life, this bloke would
always come at, or near, the top of the list ---- unless you have a
high regard for self-serving, shallow, babbling crap artistes.
Truly vomitorious, though it was good to learn that "brands have stalled".
Dersu
2004-10-24 20:49:46 UTC
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Post by Morrissey Breen
Purveyors of Bullshit
No.1: KEVIN ROBERTS
Jesus H. Christ what a load of bollocks!!

D.
Redbaiter
2004-10-24 21:28:49 UTC
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Dersu says
Post by Dersu
Post by Morrissey Breen
Purveyors of Bullshit
No.1: KEVIN ROBERTS
Jesus H. Christ what a load of bollocks!!
There's a lot of it about.....
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Morrissey Breen
2004-10-25 11:14:29 UTC
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Wow! IT'S LIKE I HAVE A TWIN!!! "Dersu" <***@paradise.net.nz>
endorsed this writer's attack on Saatchi and Saatchi conman Kevin
Post by Dersu
Post by Morrissey Breen
Purveyors of Bullshit
No.1: KEVIN ROBERTS
Jesus H. Christ what a load of bollocks!!
D.
Does Roberts make you feel angry or amused, or a little of both?
Newsman
2004-10-25 20:58:11 UTC
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Post by Morrissey Breen
endorsed this writer's attack on Saatchi and Saatchi conman Kevin
Post by Dersu
Post by Morrissey Breen
Purveyors of Bullshit
No.1: KEVIN ROBERTS
Jesus H. Christ what a load of bollocks!!
D.
Does Roberts make you feel angry or amused, or a little of both?
Contemptuous, more likely. No surprise that the shallow nothingness
that was Shipley was so matey with the facile, plausible twerp.

Newsman

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Sue Bilstein
2004-10-25 21:49:16 UTC
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A load of bilge
Breen, when will you learn that your twaddle gets ignored on sight of
the headers?
Warwick
2004-10-26 04:24:29 UTC
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Post by Sue Bilstein
A load of bilge
Breen, when will you learn that your twaddle gets ignored on sight of
the headers?
I read him. He writes well and sometimes is quite funny.
Dersu
2004-10-26 04:46:40 UTC
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Post by Warwick
Post by Sue Bilstein
Breen, when will you learn that your twaddle gets ignored on sight of
the headers?
I read him. He writes well and sometimes is quite funny.
I often read his entire post. Quite often I find them of interest even if I
do not particularly agree.

D.
A L P
2004-10-26 08:46:25 UTC
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Post by Warwick
Post by Sue Bilstein
A load of bilge
Breen, when will you learn that your twaddle gets ignored on sight of
the headers?
I read him. He writes well and sometimes is quite funny.
Why the "shut-up-piss-off-we-hate-you" campaign whenever Breen posts?
He's a long way from being the daftest poster here and as Damon says he
writes well and can be amusing. If he doesn't appeal to anyone's sense
of humour don't bloody well read him. That works with the posters whose
material or stupidity or incoherence annoys me. When they're really
tedious I killfile them. So why the venom against Breen, can any one of
you tell me?

A L P
Sue Bilstein
2004-10-26 09:37:03 UTC
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Post by A L P
Why the "shut-up-piss-off-we-hate-you" campaign whenever Breen posts?
He's a long way from being the daftest poster here and as Damon says he
writes well and can be amusing. If he doesn't appeal to anyone's sense
of humour don't bloody well read him. That works with the posters whose
material or stupidity or incoherence annoys me. When they're really
tedious I killfile them. So why the venom against Breen, can any one of
you tell me?
You're a tenderer flower than I thought, Agnes, if you took my post
for "venom".

The man's a pretentious waste of space. Numbering his posts,
forsooth. Still, it gives him an interest in life, I suppose.
Morrissey Breen
2004-10-27 09:42:06 UTC
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After the astute and literate Agnes Lovejoy Prune endorsed this
Post by A L P
Why the "shut-up-piss-off-we-hate-you" campaign whenever Breen posts?
He's a long way from being the daftest poster here and as Damon says he
writes well and can be amusing. If he doesn't appeal to anyone's sense
of humour don't bloody well read him. That works with the posters whose
material or stupidity or incoherence annoys me. When they're really
tedious I killfile them. So why the venom against Breen, can any one of
you tell me?
You're a tenderer flower than I thought, Agnes, if you took my post for "venom".
Fair enough. Venom is perhaps too strong. We could usefully
re-classify your original post under one, possibly all, of the
following headers: RANCOUR, SPURIOUSNESS, MEAN-SPIRITEDNESS,
MISFIRE....
The man's a pretentious waste of space.
W-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-WHA-A-A-A-A-A-AAAAT?!?!?!? "Pretentiious"?
Moi???!!??!?!?!??
Numbering his posts, forsooth.
Hmmmmmm, that's interesting. She seems to have an aversion to
efficiency and order...
steve
2004-10-27 05:40:04 UTC
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Post by Warwick
Post by Sue Bilstein
A load of bilge
Breen, when will you learn that your twaddle gets ignored on sight of
the headers?
I read him. He writes well and sometimes is quite funny.
Breen is arguably the most creative and entertaining contributor to this
newsgroup.

Bilstein is just needs to spell her name more appropriately: bilestone.
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Redbaiter
2004-10-27 05:41:06 UTC
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steve says
Post by steve
Post by Warwick
Post by Sue Bilstein
A load of bilge
Breen, when will you learn that your twaddle gets ignored on sight of
the headers?
I read him. He writes well and sometimes is quite funny.
Breen is arguably the most creative and entertaining contributor to this
newsgroup.
Bilstein is just needs to spell her name more appropriately: bilestone.
Fuck off you drunken witless child.
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"Leftists- The enemies of classic liberalism"
Bill Ewing
2004-10-27 20:29:56 UTC
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Post by steve
Post by Warwick
Post by Sue Bilstein
A load of bilge
Breen, when will you learn that your twaddle gets ignored on sight of
the headers?
I read him. He writes well and sometimes is quite funny.
Breen is arguably the most creative and entertaining contributor to this
newsgroup.
Hear, hear
Post by steve
Bilstein is just needs to spell her name more appropriately: bilestone.
Ditto
Bill E....
Sue Bilstein
2004-10-27 21:28:12 UTC
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Post by Bill Ewing
Post by steve
Bilstein is just needs to spell her name more appropriately: bilestone.
Ditto
Bill E....
I agree Bill, you need to spell your name "Bill Spewing".
David Pears
2004-10-27 21:41:50 UTC
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:28:12 +1300, Sue Bilstein
Post by Sue Bilstein
Post by Bill Ewing
Post by steve
Bilstein is just needs to spell her name more appropriately: bilestone.
Ditto
Bill E....
I agree Bill, you need to spell your name "Bill Spewing".
Good one Sue... people with almost ridiculous names shouldn't be the
first to wade in to an odd thread designed to prove evilness by
similarity of family name to some other word.

Which, when you get down to it, is a bizarre concept that makes better
sense than most of Steve's arguments.

David
Morrissey Breen
2004-10-29 09:26:14 UTC
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David Pears <***@bigfoot.com.au> is prone to backing the
wrong horse, misjudging the break of the wave, mistiming his entry
into the backline, if ya get my drift. This time, Pears has made the
mistake of coming out in support of poor old Sue Bilstein, who has
gotten herself embroiled in an embarrassing situation, following a
bilious yet weak attack she launched on Morrissey Breen (c'est moi!).
Unfortunately for Ms Bilstein, however, Pears has (not for the first
Post by David Pears
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:28:12 +1300, Sue Bilstein
Post by Sue Bilstein
Post by Bill Ewing
Post by steve
Bilstein is just needs to spell her name more appropriately: bilestone.
Ditto
Bill E....
I agree Bill, you need to spell your name "Bill Spewing".
Good one Sue... people with almost ridiculous names shouldn't be the
first to wade in to an odd thread designed to prove evilness
[sic!]
Post by David Pears
by similarity of family name to some other word.
Well, on the positive side, I guess you can take heart, Ms Bilstein.
At least ONE person appreciates your rather strained effort at a
retort. Or is Pears only supporting you because he agrees with your
"politics"?
Post by David Pears
Which, when you get down to it, is a bizarre concept
Surely a bit too banal to ever be considered "bizarre"...
Post by David Pears
that makes better sense than most of Steve's arguments.
Really?

What is this: a coalition of the bewildered?
David Pears
2004-10-29 10:06:34 UTC
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Post by Morrissey Breen
Well, on the positive side, I guess you can take heart, Ms Bilstein.
At least ONE person appreciates your rather strained effort at a
retort. Or is Pears only supporting you because he agrees with your
"politics"?
To summarise the thread so far...

Sue: Makes a point that Withers disagrees with.

Withers: Unable to refute Sue's argument using logic, notes that if
you change around some letters and add some other letters, then
"Bilstein" is almost "Bilestone". Maybe he is competing for the title
of "Group's Stupidest Poster", or something? Turcaud and Fitzgerald
will have to work hard now that Withers is in the race.

Ewing: Adds a "me too" comment. Obviously not real quick with a snappy
insult.

Sue: Makes Ewing look like a fool by showing that if you change no
letters and add just a few letters, then "Ewing" is almost "Spewing".
Which is a whole lot funnier than the rather forced "Bilestone". Like,
just what IS a "Bilestone"?

David: Has a chuckle at Ewing's expense, and points out that people in
glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.

Breen: Mrs Withers burbles on about... er... a whole lot of nothing.
Lots of words. No coherent point. What a sad ineffectual wanker.

David
Bill Ewing
2004-10-29 20:15:52 UTC
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Post by David Pears
Post by Morrissey Breen
Well, on the positive side, I guess you can take heart, Ms Bilstein.
At least ONE person appreciates your rather strained effort at a
retort. Or is Pears only supporting you because he agrees with your
"politics"?
To summarise the thread so far...
Sue: Makes a point that Withers disagrees with.
Withers: Unable to refute Sue's argument using logic, notes that if
you change around some letters and add some other letters, then
"Bilstein" is almost "Bilestone". Maybe he is competing for the title
of "Group's Stupidest Poster", or something? Turcaud and Fitzgerald
will have to work hard now that Withers is in the race.
Ewing: Adds a "me too" comment. Obviously not real quick with a snappy
insult.
Sue: Makes Ewing look like a fool by showing that if you change no
letters and add just a few letters, then "Ewing" is almost "Spewing".
Which is a whole lot funnier than the rather forced "Bilestone". Like,
just what IS a "Bilestone"?
David: Has a chuckle at Ewing's expense, and points out that people in
glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.
Breen: Mrs Withers burbles on about... er... a whole lot of nothing.
Lots of words. No coherent point. What a sad ineffectual wanker.
David
As usual Pears warbles off into Cloudcuckooland.
Bill E....
David Pears
2004-10-29 23:08:05 UTC
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Post by Bill Ewing
Post by David Pears
Post by Morrissey Breen
Well, on the positive side, I guess you can take heart, Ms Bilstein.
At least ONE person appreciates your rather strained effort at a
retort. Or is Pears only supporting you because he agrees with your
"politics"?
To summarise the thread so far...
Sue: Makes a point that Withers disagrees with.
Withers: Unable to refute Sue's argument using logic, notes that if
you change around some letters and add some other letters, then
"Bilstein" is almost "Bilestone". Maybe he is competing for the title
of "Group's Stupidest Poster", or something? Turcaud and Fitzgerald
will have to work hard now that Withers is in the race.
Ewing: Adds a "me too" comment. Obviously not real quick with a snappy
insult.
Sue: Makes Ewing look like a fool by showing that if you change no
letters and add just a few letters, then "Ewing" is almost "Spewing".
Which is a whole lot funnier than the rather forced "Bilestone". Like,
just what IS a "Bilestone"?
David: Has a chuckle at Ewing's expense, and points out that people in
glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.
Breen: Mrs Withers burbles on about... er... a whole lot of nothing.
Lots of words. No coherent point. What a sad ineffectual wanker.
As usual Pears warbles off into Cloudcuckooland.
Are you denying that your contribution was a post that read...
"ditto"?

This is screaming out for a transcript of some sort. Luckily for
indoor based computer work, it looks like it's going to be a bit
monsoony today. Later.

David
David Pears
2004-10-30 01:37:27 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:38:05 +0930, David Pears
Post by David Pears
This is screaming out for a transcript of some sort. Luckily for
indoor based computer work, it looks like it's going to be a bit
monsoony today. Later.
And here it is...

Scene... A few nz.general regulars have decided to gatecrash a meeting
of the National Front. Not to act like a group of facist bully boys
dishing out random street violence, but to challenge their vile
beliefs using logic and humour. The regulars, including Tarla, who was
annoyed to be left at home the last time the gang went out for an
imaginery outing together, are standing at the back of the meeting
room, listening to the speaker...

Withers: ...blah blah and they control the media, you know. Just
recently, a couple of their secret agents came to New Zealand and
stole our sacred passports. We have to do something about these evil
Jews.

Ewing: Ditto.

NF member: I agree. Guys, let's go and vandalise a few graves tonight.
That'll show them!

Withers: But we don't have to vandalise Jewish graves, because the
Jews will vandalise their own graves. There is nothing they won't
stoop to. Instead, I think we should all write letters to our local
newspaper to expose them. Don't forget to copy Irving.

Ewing: Ditto.

Bilstein: <shouts> Hey racists... haven't you noticed that NZ is a
modern multicultural society? And that Jewish people have lived here
for a long time and contributed a lot to NZ?

Tarla: Howdy partners! What's wrong with you guys, running around in
sheets and thinking up bizarre conspiracies about folk that look
different to you?

Breen: <turns to see what the commotion is about> Oh moi... it's a
group of Jews, all of them working for Mossad no doubt. Steve
dearest... deal with them would you.

Withers: OK, er... she's not Sue Bilstein... she's Sue Bolstain. Ha!
That's put her in her place, eh Morissey?

Ewing: Ditto.

Pears: "Bolstain"? What's clever or funny about "Bolstain"? Why not
answer her questions?

Withers: Not Bolstain. Ah, maybe she's, er, Sue Blostoon?

Ewing: Ditto. If only I were so quick witted as you, Steve.

Tarla: Yo momma! I'm stoned, and even I don't get "Blostoon".

Withers: Maybe not Blostoon. Er, how about Sue Bailstin?

Breen: I like "Bailstin". You just get better and better all the time,
and there is no chance that the Jews will recover from that one.
You're in for a special treat when we get home tonight!

Ewing: Ditto. It's all a bit fast for me. How does he think up these
clever things so quickly?

Bilstein: FFS, if "Bailstin" is clever, then surely you're Bill
Spewing? It makes absolutely no sense, but at least it's funny.

Withers: Wait! I think I've got it this time. She's Sue Bilestone!
Sometimes I'm surprised at my own Canadian brilliance.

Breen: <squeals and claps> Oh wonderful! That's the best yet. I'll let
you ride my ass tonight.

Wonka: Hey, that's Bobs's line you shameless plagiarist transvestite!

Withers: Leave lovely Morrisey alone. She... er, he... is clearly the
funniest poster on this newsgroup, where as you never make any
contribution at all. And she has an imaginery Glock, so just watch it!

Wonka: <makes snoring noises> Zzzzzzzz.

Joll: I wish you wouldn't wind up Rural like that Wonka.

Bilstein: Rural?

Joll: Yes Rural. I know that at 16 she is a little young for me. And
that she has rather a deep voice and needs to shave her legs. But I'm
strangely attracted to her.

Tarla: Ooo, animal magnetism. You baaaaaad mother fucker Dave!

Wonka: It isn't an animal that I'd want to poke.

Pears: That's for sure!

Ewing: As usual Pears warbles off into Cloudcuckooland.

Pears: Guys... clearly these Bush-hating Jew-hating crackpots are
hopeless and are a danger to no one except themselves and innocent
donkeys. I vote we all retire for a beer and let Redbaiter clean up
these saddos at his leisure. <the gang leave>

Withers: I just knew that "Bilestone" would do the trick. Victory at
last!


David
Tarla
2004-10-30 04:58:17 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:07:27 +0930, David Pears
Post by David Pears
Pears: Guys... clearly these Bush-hating Jew-hating crackpots are
hopeless and are a danger to no one except themselves and innocent
donkeys. I vote we all retire for a beer and let Redbaiter clean up
these saddos at his leisure. <the gang leave>
Withers: I just knew that "Bilestone" would do the trick. Victory at
last!
Thanks for taking me along, you bad mutha.
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Tarla
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he stood for -- but if he were running for president this year
against the evil Bush-Cheney gang, I would happily vote for him."
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Morrissey Breen
2004-10-30 09:32:11 UTC
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Post by David Pears
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:38:05 +0930, David Pears
Post by David Pears
This is screaming out for a transcript of some sort. Luckily for
indoor based computer work, it looks like it's going to be a bit
monsoony today. Later.
And here it is...
Scene... A few nz.general regulars have decided to gatecrash a meeting
of the National Front. Not to act like a group of facist bully boys
Hmmmmm.... Fitfully amusing, pears, but in the end this won't fly.
You want to know why? Well, I'm gonna tell you anyway...

See, Pears, to work at all, satire has to have a base in reality. If
you restricted yourself to mocking Tarla for her slight (or is it more
than that?) "hippy" tendencies, and mocking Steve and moi for our (no
doubt occasionally irritating) mannerisms, you might have something
going here.

Unfortunately for your little playlet (and, more crucially, for your
reputation) you didn't exercise that crucial self-discipline.
Instead, you tried to portray us as anti-semitic, which is a lie more
absurd than it is crude and insulting.

Satire is about exaggeration and distortion. Good satire will make
even its targets laugh, in spite of themselves. Telling a brutal and
stupid lie, as you have done here, is not satire, or parody, or
anything other than really dumb propaganda.

But then, you ARE a Bush booster...
David Pears
2004-10-30 10:01:22 UTC
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Post by Morrissey Breen
Unfortunately for your little playlet (and, more crucially, for your
reputation) you didn't exercise that crucial self-discipline.
Instead, you tried to portray us as anti-semitic, which is a lie more
absurd than it is crude and insulting.
David Irving begs to disagree, at least in Steve's case. He recognises
Steve's claim that there is no racism in NZ, because only Jews would
vandalise a Jewish cemetery, for what it is.

David
Bill Ewing
2004-10-30 19:28:38 UTC
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Post by Morrissey Breen
Post by David Pears
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:38:05 +0930, David Pears
Post by David Pears
This is screaming out for a transcript of some sort. Luckily for
indoor based computer work, it looks like it's going to be a bit
monsoony today. Later.
And here it is...
Scene... A few nz.general regulars have decided to gatecrash a meeting
of the National Front. Not to act like a group of facist bully boys
Hmmmmm.... Fitfully amusing, pears, but in the end this won't fly.
You want to know why? Well, I'm gonna tell you anyway...
See, Pears, to work at all, satire has to have a base in reality. If
you restricted yourself to mocking Tarla for her slight (or is it more
than that?) "hippy" tendencies, and mocking Steve and moi for our (no
doubt occasionally irritating) mannerisms, you might have something
going here.
Unfortunately for your little playlet (and, more crucially, for your
reputation) you didn't exercise that crucial self-discipline.
Instead, you tried to portray us as anti-semitic, which is a lie more
absurd than it is crude and insulting.
Satire is about exaggeration and distortion. Good satire will make
even its targets laugh, in spite of themselves. Telling a brutal and
stupid lie, as you have done here, is not satire, or parody, or
anything other than really dumb propaganda.
But then, you ARE a Bush booster...
Ditto...but at least it kept him off the streets.
Bill E....
Tarla
2004-10-30 19:37:38 UTC
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Post by Morrissey Breen
See, Pears, to work at all, satire has to have a base in reality. If
you restricted yourself to mocking Tarla for her slight (or is it more
than that?) "hippy" tendencies, and mocking Steve and moi for our (no
doubt occasionally irritating) mannerisms, you might have something
going here.
What "hippy" tendencies? I haven't owned a poncho in 34 years.


--
Tarla
****
"Nixon was a professional politician, and I despised everything
he stood for -- but if he were running for president this year
against the evil Bush-Cheney gang, I would happily vote for him."
--Hunter S. Thompson
A L P
2004-10-30 20:41:50 UTC
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Post by Tarla
Post by Morrissey Breen
See, Pears, to work at all, satire has to have a base in reality. If
you restricted yourself to mocking Tarla for her slight (or is it more
than that?) "hippy" tendencies, and mocking Steve and moi for our (no
doubt occasionally irritating) mannerisms, you might have something
going here.
What "hippy" tendencies? I haven't owned a poncho in 34 years.
I heard yesterday they're coming back. Get that crochet hook out of the
trunk now.

A L P
Tarla
2004-10-30 22:25:21 UTC
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Post by A L P
Post by Tarla
Post by Morrissey Breen
See, Pears, to work at all, satire has to have a base in reality. If
you restricted yourself to mocking Tarla for her slight (or is it more
than that?) "hippy" tendencies, and mocking Steve and moi for our (no
doubt occasionally irritating) mannerisms, you might have something
going here.
What "hippy" tendencies? I haven't owned a poncho in 34 years.
I heard yesterday they're coming back. Get that crochet hook out of the
trunk now.
I wonder if I can still remember how to macrame?
--
Tarla
****
Either war is obsolete or men are.
~Buckminster Fuller
A L P
2004-10-31 01:32:35 UTC
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Post by Tarla
Post by A L P
Post by Tarla
Post by Morrissey Breen
See, Pears, to work at all, satire has to have a base in reality. If
you restricted yourself to mocking Tarla for her slight (or is it more
than that?) "hippy" tendencies, and mocking Steve and moi for our (no
doubt occasionally irritating) mannerisms, you might have something
going here.
What "hippy" tendencies? I haven't owned a poncho in 34 years.
I heard yesterday they're coming back. Get that crochet hook out of the
trunk now.
I wonder if I can still remember how to macrame?
--
You don't forget it - it's like falling off a bicycle.

A L P
Tarla
2004-10-31 19:13:17 UTC
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Post by A L P
Post by Tarla
Post by A L P
Post by Tarla
What "hippy" tendencies? I haven't owned a poncho in 34 years.
I heard yesterday they're coming back. Get that crochet hook out of the
trunk now.
I wonder if I can still remember how to macrame?
--
You don't forget it - it's like falling off a bicycle.
You are such a crackup!
--
Tarla
****
Either war is obsolete or men are.
~Buckminster Fuller
Geoff McCaughan
2004-10-31 22:15:21 UTC
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Post by Tarla
Post by A L P
You don't forget it - it's like falling off a bicycle.
You are such a crackup!
Confucious say...
--
Burn the land and boil the sea,
You can't take the sky from me.
Confucius
2004-11-01 01:38:21 UTC
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In article <Ztdhd.1617$***@news.xtra.co.nz>, ***@spam.fqdn.com
says...
Post by Geoff McCaughan
Post by Tarla
Post by A L P
You don't forget it - it's like falling off a bicycle.
You are such a crackup!
Confucious say...
I reckon it's Confucius.

Google: 27,900 for Confucious, 378,000 for Confucius.
--
Confucius say:
"Man who sit on tack get point!"
Sue Bilstein
2004-10-31 09:18:52 UTC
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Post by A L P
Post by Tarla
Post by Morrissey Breen
See, Pears, to work at all, satire has to have a base in reality. If
you restricted yourself to mocking Tarla for her slight (or is it more
than that?) "hippy" tendencies, and mocking Steve and moi for our (no
doubt occasionally irritating) mannerisms, you might have something
going here.
What "hippy" tendencies? I haven't owned a poncho in 34 years.
I heard yesterday they're coming back. Get that crochet hook out of the
trunk now.
I saw some in a shop recently. Funny little short ones.
Morrissey Breen
2004-10-31 08:02:24 UTC
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Post by Tarla
Post by Morrissey Breen
See, Pears, to work at all, satire has to have a base in reality. If
you restricted yourself to mocking Tarla for her slight (or is it more
than that?) "hippy" tendencies, and mocking Steve and moi for our (no
doubt occasionally irritating) mannerisms, you might have something
going here.
What "hippy" tendencies? I haven't owned a poncho in 34 years.
I did say they were "slight" tendencies.

Anyway, ponchos are hip again, apparently. At least according to
Douglas Lloyd Jenkins and Kim Hill.
Bubba Ray
2004-10-30 10:59:37 UTC
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Post by David Pears
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:38:05 +0930, David Pears
Post by David Pears
This is screaming out for a transcript of some sort. Luckily for
indoor based computer work, it looks like it's going to be a bit
monsoony today. Later.
And here it is...
Scene... A few nz.general regulars have decided to gatecrash a meeting
of the National Front. Not to act like a group of facist bully boys
dishing out random street violence, but to challenge their vile
beliefs using logic and humour. The regulars, including Tarla, who was
annoyed to be left at home the last time the gang went out for an
imaginery outing together, are standing at the back of the meeting
room, listening to the speaker...
Withers: ...blah blah and they control the media, you know. Just
recently, a couple of their secret agents came to New Zealand and
stole our sacred passports. We have to do something about these evil
Jews.
Ewing: Ditto.
NF member: I agree. Guys, let's go and vandalise a few graves tonight.
That'll show them!
Withers: But we don't have to vandalise Jewish graves, because the
Jews will vandalise their own graves. There is nothing they won't
stoop to. Instead, I think we should all write letters to our local
newspaper to expose them. Don't forget to copy Irving.
Ewing: Ditto.
Bilstein: <shouts> Hey racists... haven't you noticed that NZ is a
modern multicultural society? And that Jewish people have lived here
for a long time and contributed a lot to NZ?
Tarla: Howdy partners! What's wrong with you guys, running around in
sheets and thinking up bizarre conspiracies about folk that look
different to you?
Breen: <turns to see what the commotion is about> Oh moi... it's a
group of Jews, all of them working for Mossad no doubt. Steve
dearest... deal with them would you.
Withers: OK, er... she's not Sue Bilstein... she's Sue Bolstain. Ha!
That's put her in her place, eh Morissey?
Ewing: Ditto.
Pears: "Bolstain"? What's clever or funny about "Bolstain"? Why not
answer her questions?
Withers: Not Bolstain. Ah, maybe she's, er, Sue Blostoon?
Ewing: Ditto. If only I were so quick witted as you, Steve.
Tarla: Yo momma! I'm stoned, and even I don't get "Blostoon".
Withers: Maybe not Blostoon. Er, how about Sue Bailstin?
Breen: I like "Bailstin". You just get better and better all the time,
and there is no chance that the Jews will recover from that one.
You're in for a special treat when we get home tonight!
Ewing: Ditto. It's all a bit fast for me. How does he think up these
clever things so quickly?
Bilstein: FFS, if "Bailstin" is clever, then surely you're Bill
Spewing? It makes absolutely no sense, but at least it's funny.
Withers: Wait! I think I've got it this time. She's Sue Bilestone!
Sometimes I'm surprised at my own Canadian brilliance.
Breen: <squeals and claps> Oh wonderful! That's the best yet. I'll let
you ride my ass tonight.
Wonka: Hey, that's Bobs's line you shameless plagiarist transvestite!
Withers: Leave lovely Morrisey alone. She... er, he... is clearly the
funniest poster on this newsgroup, where as you never make any
contribution at all. And she has an imaginery Glock, so just watch it!
Wonka: <makes snoring noises> Zzzzzzzz.
Joll: I wish you wouldn't wind up Rural like that Wonka.
Bilstein: Rural?
Joll: Yes Rural. I know that at 16 she is a little young for me. And
that she has rather a deep voice and needs to shave her legs. But I'm
strangely attracted to her.
Tarla: Ooo, animal magnetism. You baaaaaad mother fucker Dave!
Wonka: It isn't an animal that I'd want to poke.
Pears: That's for sure!
Ewing: As usual Pears warbles off into Cloudcuckooland.
Pears: Guys... clearly these Bush-hating Jew-hating crackpots are
hopeless and are a danger to no one except themselves and innocent
donkeys. I vote we all retire for a beer and let Redbaiter clean up
these saddos at his leisure. <the gang leave>
Withers: I just knew that "Bilestone" would do the trick. Victory at
last!
David
You need to replace "Jews" with "Zionists".
grimly bubble
2004-10-31 20:32:15 UTC
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Post by Bubba Ray
You need to replace "Jews" with "Zionists".
You need to replace that polyester in your head with brain matter.
Bill Ewing
2004-10-28 08:07:03 UTC
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Post by Sue Bilstein
Post by Bill Ewing
Post by steve
Bilstein is just needs to spell her name more appropriately: bilestone.
Ditto
Bill E....
I agree Bill, you need to spell your name "Bill Spewing".
Tut, tut, Sue, losing it a bit, aren't you?
Bill E....
Bubba Ray
2004-10-30 10:52:22 UTC
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Post by steve
Post by Warwick
Post by Sue Bilstein
A load of bilge
Breen, when will you learn that your twaddle gets ignored on sight of
the headers?
I read him. He writes well and sometimes is quite funny.
Breen is arguably the most creative and entertaining contributor to this
newsgroup.
Bilstein is just needs to spell her name more appropriately: bilestone.
I knew Breen had at least one other fan.
Morrissey Breen
2004-10-26 07:52:10 UTC
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Post by Sue Bilstein
A load of bilge
Breen, when will you learn that your twaddle gets ignored on sight of
the headers?
Says who?

Hmmmmm... might that person's initials by any chance be S.B.?
steve
2004-10-27 05:38:35 UTC
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Post by Sue Bilstein
A load of bilge
Breen, when will you learn that your twaddle gets ignored on sight of
the headers?
Speak for yourself, Sue Head-in-Sand.
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