Discussion:
The Real Reason The Left Hate Bush (NZ under the UN)
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Redbaiter
2003-11-14 08:50:45 UTC
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George Bush has attracted a lot of attention from the rabid
left.

Why is that?

Why do the socialists worldwide, in New Zealand, Australia, the
UK and the rest of Europe, hate George Bush with such intensity?

Its not just the Iraqi war, which is basically being used by the
socialists as a weapon to attack Bush. The real reason for their
hatred of George Bush is that he is on to their game.

George Bush knows what the socialists are really up to, and he
stands between them and their lifelong goal. The intent of
odious scum like Steve Withers and other examples of humanity's
worst lowlife, is world government by the United Nations.

This is the objective of the world wide group called Socialist
International. Helen Klark is a senior official in this group,
along with every damn free loading stealing slimy socialist
leader involved in government in any country. She's even been to
conferences of this organisation with Parekura Horimia. She is
the head of its International Propaganda Committee, or some such
like named unit.

Now, Socialist International have, in a recent release, exposed
their agenda, which is government of the world by a
"socialised" United Nations. The important issue here is that
finally, the leftists have exposed their agenda of taking over
the United Nations and using it to further their objective of a
world controlled by Socialists.

Think about that folks. Steve Withers and his ilk running the
world. Makes a great mental image doesn't it?

The following article might be a bit long for usenet, but I
haven't snipped it because it is full of very good information.
Read it, and you will know and understand what the Bush haters
really want.

And you will also know and understand where Helen Klark and
Margaret Wilson want New Zealand to end up.

-------------------------------------------------


Concluding its 22nd global congress in Sao Paulo, Brazil,
recently, Socialist International issued its Declaration calling
for implementation of "global governance," in a program that
mirrors the recommendations of the U.N.-funded Commission on
Global Governance, published in 1995.

The International Socialists call for: expanding the U.N.
Security Council; creating a new Economic Security Council;
creating a new World Environmental Organization; and the
mechanisms necessary to enforce "Sustainable Development"
worldwide.

This document makes public the close union between the agenda of
International Socialists and the agenda for global governance
developed by the United Nations. Previous efforts to keep the
"socialist" label away from the U.N., have now been abandoned,
and both institutions are publicly seeking total global
governance through the United Nations.

Though the document does not mention the Bush administration by
name, it decries obstacles to the new world order, sought by the
socialists. Article Three of the Declaration says:

Neoconservatives are attempting to ... dismantle all forms of
global governance, to minimize the role of the United Nations,
to undermine multilateral institutions, to promote unilateralism
and the consecration of the market, and to impose the will of
the powerful to decide the future of mankind.

The president of Socialist International, Antonio Guterres,
former socialist prime minister of Portugal, said the "Bush
administration was impeding efforts to establish a new world
order," according to the Denver Post (Oct. 30, p. 21A).

Specifically, the socialists want the new Economic Security
Council to be a "Council for Sustainable Development – that
would coordinate sustainable development on a global scale ..."
and, to implement the Kyoto Protocol.

Socialists want to consolidate the U.N. Environment Program, and
all the existing environmental treaties, under the enforcement
authority of a new World Environment Organization, the same
function the Commission on Global Governance proposed for the
outdated U.N. Trusteeship Council.

This document also endorses: the U.N. Millennium Development
goals adopted in 2000; the U.N.'s Monterey Consensus, adopted in
2002; and the U.N.'s Plan for Sustainable Development, adopted
in Johannesburg in 2002. It calls for the elimination of
agricultural subsidies in the U.S., Europe and Japan, and free
exportation by developing countries into these markets, and
international control of " ... regulation, accountability and
supervision of financial systems to enhance the prospects for
sustainable growth and development."

Socialist International links "exacerbated nationalism ... and
xenophobic attitudes," with terrorism, as "threats to peace,"
which must be addressed only by an expanded U.N. Security
Council, with the authority and means "to act to preserve and
enforce peace," which "must be carried out in accordance with
the decisions of the United Nations."


The [Socialist] International, therefore, believes that reform
of the United Nations cannot be delayed any longer and will
continue to be strongly engaged in the process. Achieving
lasting peace and security requires that the United Nations
Charter be updated to meet today's new challenges, and that the
Security Council be reformed to make it more representative,
democratic and responsive.


The "reform" called for by the U.N.'s Commission on Global
Governance, and by the U.N., would expand the Security Council
in number, whose members would serve rotating terms, remove the
"Permanent Member" status from the U.S., France, England,
Germany and China, and would eliminate the veto power of any
single nation.

The socialists want the U.N. to place "greater emphasis on the
provision of global public services, especially with regard to
sanitation, health care, child-care facilities, education,
employment promotion and environmental protection."

In a clear statement of support for the socialist model of
economic organization, rather than the capitalist model, the
document says:


The principle of public service cannot be sacrificed to the
consecration of the market. Tax systems should also be adapted
to promote better public services and a new global tax should be
created to fund the global public goods.


The "new global tax" endorsed by this statement is discussed at
length throughout U.N. literature and is a series of taxing
proposals ranging from a tax on international currency
transactions (the Tobin Tax), to a tax on resource use, and use
of the "global commons," which includes the air, space, oceans
and the airwaves used for radio, television and Internet
transmissions.

This global taxing authority was included in the first draft of
the recommendations of the U.N.'s High Level Panel on Financing
Development, meeting in Monterey, Mexico, in 2001. It was
removed, at the insistence of the new U.S. delegates, appointed
by the Bush administration. The panel remains in place, however,
to seek independent financing of U.N. operations.

Socialist International is the world's largest political
organization, according to its website, working through more
than 140 national organizations. Its largest affiliate in the
United States is the Democratic Socialists of America, which
says it is "building progressive movements for social change
while establishing an openly socialist presence in American
communities and politics."

The "social change" described here is the global governance
agenda developed jointly, and now publicly advanced by both the
United Nations, and the Socialist International.
--
Redbaiter
In the leftist's lexicon, the lowest of the low
steve
2003-11-14 09:12:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Redbaiter
George Bush has attracted a lot of attention from the rabid
left.
Why is that?
..Because he lies a LOT, Red.....and thousands of people die.

I know that means nothing at all to you. But it means quite a bit to normal
people.

**********************************************************************

'No President has lied so baldly and so often and so demonstrably'

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=461946

By Andrew Gumbel
09 November 2003

"The intelligence process is a bit like virginity," says Ray McGovern, who
worked as a CIA analyst for 27 years. "Once you prostitute it, it's never
the same. Your credibility never recovers.
"Watching what has happened with Iraq over the past several months has been
like watching your daughter being raped."
Such is an indication of the extraordinary depth of feeling within the US
intelligence community as the Bush administration's basis for the war in
Iraq - the weapons of mass destruction, the dark hint of links between
Saddam Hussein and al-Qa'ida - has been shown to have been built on air.

Mr McGovern worked near the very top of his profession, giving direct advice
to Henry Kissinger during the Nixon era and preparing the President's daily
security brief for Ronald Reagan. Now he is co-founder of a group of former
CIA employees called Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, or Vips
for short.

What the Bush White House has done, he believes, is far worse than the false
premise that dragged the United States into the Vietnam War - a reported
second attack on a US destroyer in the Gulf of Tonkin which later turned out
not to have taken place.

"The Gulf of Tonkin was a spur-of-the-moment thing, and Lyndon Johnson
seized on that. That's very different from the very calculated, 18-month,
orchestrated, incredibly cynical campaign of lies that we've seen to justify
a war. This is an order of magnitude different. It's so blatant."

Mr McGovern accuses Mr Bush of an extraordinary act of chutzpah - taking
advantage of his authority as President of the United States to make people
believe there must be something to his insistent allegations that Iraq
possessed potentially devastating weaponry.

"Many of us felt there had to be something there ... If this had been
another country, one would have written a convincing analysis that this guy
is lying through his teeth, that there are no weapons in Iraq. But people
thought, the President can't say he knows something if he doesn't. That was
persuasive, in a way.

"Now we know that no other President of the United States has ever lied so
baldly and so often and so demonstrably ... The presumption now has to be
that he's lying any time that he's saying anything."

It will, Mr McGovern believes, take a change of president and a change of
CIA director to even begin to repair the damage done by what he sees as an
overt politicisation of the intelligence business. But even that may not be
enough.

"Unless what has happened in the past year and a half is recognised as a
scandal, in which the CIA has been badly abused, then there's no hope," he
said. "I pin my hopes mostly on the press these days. Turns out, surprise
surprise, that even the US press doesn't like to be lied

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=461946
--
Best Regards,
Steve Withers
defenestrate: The act of throwing Windows out the window and replacing it on
your PC with some other operating system.
Redbaiter
2003-11-14 10:04:50 UTC
Permalink
steve says
Post by Redbaiter
George Bush has attracted a lot of attention from the rabid
left.
Why is that?
Follow ups restored after changed by arsehole Withers..


Why do the socialists worldwide, in New Zealand, Australia, the
UK and the rest of Europe, hate George Bush with such intensity?

Its not just the Iraqi war, which is basically being used by the
socialists as a weapon to attack Bush. The real reason for their
hatred of George Bush is that he is on to their game.

George Bush knows what the socialists are really up to, and he
stands between them and their lifelong goal. The intent of
odious scum like Steve Withers and other examples of humanity's
worst lowlife, is world government by the United Nations.

This is the objective of the world wide group called Socialist
International. Helen Klark is a senior official in this group,
along with every damn free loading stealing slimy socialist
leader involved in government in any country. She's even been to
conferences of this organisation with Parekura Horimia. She is
the head of its International Propaganda Committee, or some such
like named unit.

Now, Socialist International have, in a recent release, exposed
their agenda, which is government of the world by a
"socialised" United Nations. The important issue here is that
finally, the leftists have exposed their agenda of taking over
the United Nations and using it to further their objective of a
world controlled by Socialists.

Think about that folks. Steve Withers and his ilk running the
world. Makes a great mental image doesn't it?

The following article might be a bit long for usenet, but I
haven't snipped it because it is full of very good information.
Read it, and you will know and understand what the Bush haters
really want.

And you will also know and understand where Helen Klark and
Margaret Wilson want New Zealand to end up.

-------------------------------------------------


Concluding its 22nd global congress in Sao Paulo, Brazil,
recently, Socialist International issued its Declaration calling
for implementation of "global governance," in a program that
mirrors the recommendations of the U.N.-funded Commission on
Global Governance, published in 1995.

The International Socialists call for: expanding the U.N.
Security Council; creating a new Economic Security Council;
creating a new World Environmental Organization; and the
mechanisms necessary to enforce "Sustainable Development"
worldwide.

This document makes public the close union between the agenda of
International Socialists and the agenda for global governance
developed by the United Nations. Previous efforts to keep the
"socialist" label away from the U.N., have now been abandoned,
and both institutions are publicly seeking total global
governance through the United Nations.

Though the document does not mention the Bush administration by
name, it decries obstacles to the new world order, sought by the
socialists. Article Three of the Declaration says:

Neoconservatives are attempting to ... dismantle all forms of
global governance, to minimize the role of the United Nations,
to undermine multilateral institutions, to promote unilateralism
and the consecration of the market, and to impose the will of
the powerful to decide the future of mankind.

The president of Socialist International, Antonio Guterres,
former socialist prime minister of Portugal, said the "Bush
administration was impeding efforts to establish a new world
order," according to the Denver Post (Oct. 30, p. 21A).

Specifically, the socialists want the new Economic Security
Council to be a "Council for Sustainable Development – that
would coordinate sustainable development on a global scale ..."
and, to implement the Kyoto Protocol.

Socialists want to consolidate the U.N. Environment Program, and
all the existing environmental treaties, under the enforcement
authority of a new World Environment Organization, the same
function the Commission on Global Governance proposed for the
outdated U.N. Trusteeship Council.

This document also endorses: the U.N. Millennium Development
goals adopted in 2000; the U.N.'s Monterey Consensus, adopted in
2002; and the U.N.'s Plan for Sustainable Development, adopted
in Johannesburg in 2002. It calls for the elimination of
agricultural subsidies in the U.S., Europe and Japan, and free
exportation by developing countries into these markets, and
international control of " ... regulation, accountability and
supervision of financial systems to enhance the prospects for
sustainable growth and development."

Socialist International links "exacerbated nationalism ... and
xenophobic attitudes," with terrorism, as "threats to peace,"
which must be addressed only by an expanded U.N. Security
Council, with the authority and means "to act to preserve and
enforce peace," which "must be carried out in accordance with
the decisions of the United Nations."


The [Socialist] International, therefore, believes that reform
of the United Nations cannot be delayed any longer and will
continue to be strongly engaged in the process. Achieving
lasting peace and security requires that the United Nations
Charter be updated to meet today's new challenges, and that the
Security Council be reformed to make it more representative,
democratic and responsive.


The "reform" called for by the U.N.'s Commission on Global
Governance, and by the U.N., would expand the Security Council
in number, whose members would serve rotating terms, remove the
"Permanent Member" status from the U.S., France, England,
Germany and China, and would eliminate the veto power of any
single nation.

The socialists want the U.N. to place "greater emphasis on the
provision of global public services, especially with regard to
sanitation, health care, child-care facilities, education,
employment promotion and environmental protection."

In a clear statement of support for the socialist model of
economic organization, rather than the capitalist model, the
document says:


The principle of public service cannot be sacrificed to the
consecration of the market. Tax systems should also be adapted
to promote better public services and a new global tax should be
created to fund the global public goods.


The "new global tax" endorsed by this statement is discussed at
length throughout U.N. literature and is a series of taxing
proposals ranging from a tax on international currency
transactions (the Tobin Tax), to a tax on resource use, and use
of the "global commons," which includes the air, space, oceans
and the airwaves used for radio, television and Internet
transmissions.

This global taxing authority was included in the first draft of
the recommendations of the U.N.'s High Level Panel on Financing
Development, meeting in Monterey, Mexico, in 2001. It was
removed, at the insistence of the new U.S. delegates, appointed
by the Bush administration. The panel remains in place, however,
to seek independent financing of U.N. operations.

Socialist International is the world's largest political
organization, according to its website, working through more
than 140 national organizations. Its largest affiliate in the
United States is the Democratic Socialists of America, which
says it is "building progressive movements for social change
while establishing an openly socialist presence in American
communities and politics."

The "social change" described here is the global governance
agenda developed jointly, and now publicly advanced by both the
United Nations, and the Socialist International.
--
Redbaiter
In the leftist's lexicon, the lowest of the low
steve
2003-11-14 11:45:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Redbaiter
steve says
Post by Redbaiter
George Bush has attracted a lot of attention from the rabid
left.
Why is that?
Follow ups restored after changed by arsehole Withers..
You failed to deal with the answer to your question....as usual.

I'm a free person living in a free land. These are things you claim to
champion.

How can you reconcile that with your support for the Bush the liar?
--
Best Regards,
Steve Withers
defenestrate: The act of throwing Windows out the window and replacing it on
your PC with some other operating system.
Redbaiter
2003-11-14 20:28:59 UTC
Permalink
steve says

Steve didn't say anything. he merely obliterated the post for
maybe the fifth time..

Think about this readers. Why is Steve Withers, usenet abuser
and professional communist, trying so hard to stop you from
reading the post below?

Know why...?

Because its the truth, and if there is one thing socialists fear
like a vampire fears a wooden stake thru the heart, its the
truth..

------------------------------------------------
George Bush has attracted a lot of attention from the rabid
left.

Why is that?

Why do the socialists worldwide, in New Zealand, Australia, the
UK and the rest of Europe, hate George Bush with such intensity?

Its not just the Iraqi war, which is basically being used by the
socialists as a weapon to attack Bush. The real reason for their
hatred of George Bush is that he is on to their game.

George Bush knows what the socialists are really up to, and he
stands between them and their lifelong goal. The intent of
odious scum like Steve Withers and other examples of humanity's
worst lowlife, is world government by the United Nations.

This is the objective of the world wide group called Socialist
International. Helen Klark is a senior official in this group,
along with every damn free loading stealing slimy socialist
leader involved in government in any country. She's even been to
conferences of this organisation with Parekura Horimia. She is
the head of its International Propaganda Committee, or some such
like named unit.

Now, Socialist International have, in a recent release, exposed
their agenda, which is government of the world by a
"socialised" United Nations. The important issue here is that
finally, the leftists have exposed their agenda of taking over
the United Nations and using it to further their objective of a
world controlled by Socialists.

Think about that folks. Steve Withers and his ilk running the
world. Makes a great mental image doesn't it?

The following article might be a bit long for usenet, but I
haven't snipped it because it is full of very good information.
Read it, and you will know and understand what the Bush haters
really want.

And you will also know and understand where Helen Klark and
Margaret Wilson want New Zealand to end up.

-------------------------------------------------


Concluding its 22nd global congress in Sao Paulo, Brazil,
recently, Socialist International issued its Declaration calling
for implementation of "global governance," in a program that
mirrors the recommendations of the U.N.-funded Commission on
Global Governance, published in 1995.

The International Socialists call for: expanding the U.N.
Security Council; creating a new Economic Security Council;
creating a new World Environmental Organization; and the
mechanisms necessary to enforce "Sustainable Development"
worldwide.

This document makes public the close union between the agenda of
International Socialists and the agenda for global governance
developed by the United Nations. Previous efforts to keep the
"socialist" label away from the U.N., have now been abandoned,
and both institutions are publicly seeking total global
governance through the United Nations.

Though the document does not mention the Bush administration by
name, it decries obstacles to the new world order, sought by the
socialists. Article Three of the Declaration says:

Neoconservatives are attempting to ... dismantle all forms of
global governance, to minimize the role of the United Nations,
to undermine multilateral institutions, to promote unilateralism
and the consecration of the market, and to impose the will of
the powerful to decide the future of mankind.

The president of Socialist International, Antonio Guterres,
former socialist prime minister of Portugal, said the "Bush
administration was impeding efforts to establish a new world
order," according to the Denver Post (Oct. 30, p. 21A).

Specifically, the socialists want the new Economic Security
Council to be a "Council for Sustainable Development – that
would coordinate sustainable development on a global scale ..."
and, to implement the Kyoto Protocol.

Socialists want to consolidate the U.N. Environment Program, and
all the existing environmental treaties, under the enforcement
authority of a new World Environment Organization, the same
function the Commission on Global Governance proposed for the
outdated U.N. Trusteeship Council.

This document also endorses: the U.N. Millennium Development
goals adopted in 2000; the U.N.'s Monterey Consensus, adopted in
2002; and the U.N.'s Plan for Sustainable Development, adopted
in Johannesburg in 2002. It calls for the elimination of
agricultural subsidies in the U.S., Europe and Japan, and free
exportation by developing countries into these markets, and
international control of " ... regulation, accountability and
supervision of financial systems to enhance the prospects for
sustainable growth and development."

Socialist International links "exacerbated nationalism ... and
xenophobic attitudes," with terrorism, as "threats to peace,"
which must be addressed only by an expanded U.N. Security
Council, with the authority and means "to act to preserve and
enforce peace," which "must be carried out in accordance with
the decisions of the United Nations."


The [Socialist] International, therefore, believes that reform
of the United Nations cannot be delayed any longer and will
continue to be strongly engaged in the process. Achieving
lasting peace and security requires that the United Nations
Charter be updated to meet today's new challenges, and that the
Security Council be reformed to make it more representative,
democratic and responsive.


The "reform" called for by the U.N.'s Commission on Global
Governance, and by the U.N., would expand the Security Council
in number, whose members would serve rotating terms, remove the
"Permanent Member" status from the U.S., France, England,
Germany and China, and would eliminate the veto power of any
single nation.

The socialists want the U.N. to place "greater emphasis on the
provision of global public services, especially with regard to
sanitation, health care, child-care facilities, education,
employment promotion and environmental protection."

In a clear statement of support for the socialist model of
economic organization, rather than the capitalist model, the
document says:


The principle of public service cannot be sacrificed to the
consecration of the market. Tax systems should also be adapted
to promote better public services and a new global tax should be
created to fund the global public goods.


The "new global tax" endorsed by this statement is discussed at
length throughout U.N. literature and is a series of taxing
proposals ranging from a tax on international currency
transactions (the Tobin Tax), to a tax on resource use, and use
of the "global commons," which includes the air, space, oceans
and the airwaves used for radio, television and Internet
transmissions.

This global taxing authority was included in the first draft of
the recommendations of the U.N.'s High Level Panel on Financing
Development, meeting in Monterey, Mexico, in 2001. It was
removed, at the insistence of the new U.S. delegates, appointed
by the Bush administration. The panel remains in place, however,
to seek independent financing of U.N. operations.

Socialist International is the world's largest political
organization, according to its website, working through more
than 140 national organizations. Its largest affiliate in the
United States is the Democratic Socialists of America, which
says it is "building progressive movements for social change
while establishing an openly socialist presence in American
communities and politics."

The "social change" described here is the global governance
agenda developed jointly, and now publicly advanced by both the
United Nations, and the Socialist International.
--
Redbaiter
In the leftist's lexicon, the lowest of the low
Emmanuel Goldstein
2003-11-15 00:07:45 UTC
Permalink
So how do you compare National Socialism with INternational Socialism - the
two would seem to be contradictory yet you are quick to label any left
leaning person a Nazi on one hand or a Commie on the other. What's wrong
with a 1 world government?
Post by Redbaiter
steve says
Steve didn't say anything. he merely obliterated the post for
maybe the fifth time..
Think about this readers. Why is Steve Withers, usenet abuser
and professional communist, trying so hard to stop you from
reading the post below?
Know why...?
Because its the truth, and if there is one thing socialists fear
like a vampire fears a wooden stake thru the heart, its the
truth..
------------------------------------------------
George Bush has attracted a lot of attention from the rabid
left.
Why is that?
Why do the socialists worldwide, in New Zealand, Australia, the
UK and the rest of Europe, hate George Bush with such intensity?
Its not just the Iraqi war, which is basically being used by the
socialists as a weapon to attack Bush. The real reason for their
hatred of George Bush is that he is on to their game.
George Bush knows what the socialists are really up to, and he
stands between them and their lifelong goal. The intent of
odious scum like Steve Withers and other examples of humanity's
worst lowlife, is world government by the United Nations.
This is the objective of the world wide group called Socialist
International. Helen Klark is a senior official in this group,
along with every damn free loading stealing slimy socialist
leader involved in government in any country. She's even been to
conferences of this organisation with Parekura Horimia. She is
the head of its International Propaganda Committee, or some such
like named unit.
Now, Socialist International have, in a recent release, exposed
their agenda, which is government of the world by a
"socialised" United Nations. The important issue here is that
finally, the leftists have exposed their agenda of taking over
the United Nations and using it to further their objective of a
world controlled by Socialists.
Think about that folks. Steve Withers and his ilk running the
world. Makes a great mental image doesn't it?
The following article might be a bit long for usenet, but I
haven't snipped it because it is full of very good information.
Read it, and you will know and understand what the Bush haters
really want.
And you will also know and understand where Helen Klark and
Margaret Wilson want New Zealand to end up.
-------------------------------------------------
Concluding its 22nd global congress in Sao Paulo, Brazil,
recently, Socialist International issued its Declaration calling
for implementation of "global governance," in a program that
mirrors the recommendations of the U.N.-funded Commission on
Global Governance, published in 1995.
The International Socialists call for: expanding the U.N.
Security Council; creating a new Economic Security Council;
creating a new World Environmental Organization; and the
mechanisms necessary to enforce "Sustainable Development"
worldwide.
This document makes public the close union between the agenda of
International Socialists and the agenda for global governance
developed by the United Nations. Previous efforts to keep the
"socialist" label away from the U.N., have now been abandoned,
and both institutions are publicly seeking total global
governance through the United Nations.
Though the document does not mention the Bush administration by
name, it decries obstacles to the new world order, sought by the
Neoconservatives are attempting to ... dismantle all forms of
global governance, to minimize the role of the United Nations,
to undermine multilateral institutions, to promote unilateralism
and the consecration of the market, and to impose the will of
the powerful to decide the future of mankind.
The president of Socialist International, Antonio Guterres,
former socialist prime minister of Portugal, said the "Bush
administration was impeding efforts to establish a new world
order," according to the Denver Post (Oct. 30, p. 21A).
Specifically, the socialists want the new Economic Security
Council to be a "Council for Sustainable Development - that
would coordinate sustainable development on a global scale ..."
and, to implement the Kyoto Protocol.
Socialists want to consolidate the U.N. Environment Program, and
all the existing environmental treaties, under the enforcement
authority of a new World Environment Organization, the same
function the Commission on Global Governance proposed for the
outdated U.N. Trusteeship Council.
This document also endorses: the U.N. Millennium Development
goals adopted in 2000; the U.N.'s Monterey Consensus, adopted in
2002; and the U.N.'s Plan for Sustainable Development, adopted
in Johannesburg in 2002. It calls for the elimination of
agricultural subsidies in the U.S., Europe and Japan, and free
exportation by developing countries into these markets, and
international control of " ... regulation, accountability and
supervision of financial systems to enhance the prospects for
sustainable growth and development."
Socialist International links "exacerbated nationalism ... and
xenophobic attitudes," with terrorism, as "threats to peace,"
which must be addressed only by an expanded U.N. Security
Council, with the authority and means "to act to preserve and
enforce peace," which "must be carried out in accordance with
the decisions of the United Nations."
The [Socialist] International, therefore, believes that reform
of the United Nations cannot be delayed any longer and will
continue to be strongly engaged in the process. Achieving
lasting peace and security requires that the United Nations
Charter be updated to meet today's new challenges, and that the
Security Council be reformed to make it more representative,
democratic and responsive.
The "reform" called for by the U.N.'s Commission on Global
Governance, and by the U.N., would expand the Security Council
in number, whose members would serve rotating terms, remove the
"Permanent Member" status from the U.S., France, England,
Germany and China, and would eliminate the veto power of any
single nation.
The socialists want the U.N. to place "greater emphasis on the
provision of global public services, especially with regard to
sanitation, health care, child-care facilities, education,
employment promotion and environmental protection."
In a clear statement of support for the socialist model of
economic organization, rather than the capitalist model, the
The principle of public service cannot be sacrificed to the
consecration of the market. Tax systems should also be adapted
to promote better public services and a new global tax should be
created to fund the global public goods.
The "new global tax" endorsed by this statement is discussed at
length throughout U.N. literature and is a series of taxing
proposals ranging from a tax on international currency
transactions (the Tobin Tax), to a tax on resource use, and use
of the "global commons," which includes the air, space, oceans
and the airwaves used for radio, television and Internet
transmissions.
This global taxing authority was included in the first draft of
the recommendations of the U.N.'s High Level Panel on Financing
Development, meeting in Monterey, Mexico, in 2001. It was
removed, at the insistence of the new U.S. delegates, appointed
by the Bush administration. The panel remains in place, however,
to seek independent financing of U.N. operations.
Socialist International is the world's largest political
organization, according to its website, working through more
than 140 national organizations. Its largest affiliate in the
United States is the Democratic Socialists of America, which
says it is "building progressive movements for social change
while establishing an openly socialist presence in American
communities and politics."
The "social change" described here is the global governance
agenda developed jointly, and now publicly advanced by both the
United Nations, and the Socialist International.
--
Redbaiter
In the leftist's lexicon, the lowest of the low
Redbaiter
2003-11-15 00:40:01 UTC
Permalink
Emmanuel Goldstein says
Post by Emmanuel Goldstein
So how do you
......snip

Fuck off you multi nicked creep. Another example of the morally
bankrupt left that pollute this discussion forum with their
cheap scams and their feeble attempts at pretending to be
someone else. Just fuck off bore, I don't discuss issues with
lowlife and BORING scum like you.
Post by Emmanuel Goldstein
Post by Redbaiter
steve says
Steve didn't say anything. he merely obliterated the post for
maybe the fifth time..
Think about this readers. Why is Steve Withers, usenet abuser
and professional communist, trying so hard to stop you from
reading the post below?
Know why...?
Because its the truth, and if there is one thing socialists fear
like a vampire fears a wooden stake thru the heart, its the
truth..
------------------------------------------------
George Bush has attracted a lot of attention from the rabid
left.
Why is that?
Why do the socialists worldwide, in New Zealand, Australia, the
UK and the rest of Europe, hate George Bush with such intensity?
Its not just the Iraqi war, which is basically being used by the
socialists as a weapon to attack Bush. The real reason for their
hatred of George Bush is that he is on to their game.
George Bush knows what the socialists are really up to, and he
stands between them and their lifelong goal. The intent of
odious scum like Steve Withers and other examples of humanity's
worst lowlife, is world government by the United Nations.
This is the objective of the world wide group called Socialist
International. Helen Klark is a senior official in this group,
along with every damn free loading stealing slimy socialist
leader involved in government in any country. She's even been to
conferences of this organisation with Parekura Horimia. She is
the head of its International Propaganda Committee, or some such
like named unit.
Now, Socialist International have, in a recent release, exposed
their agenda, which is government of the world by a
"socialised" United Nations. The important issue here is that
finally, the leftists have exposed their agenda of taking over
the United Nations and using it to further their objective of a
world controlled by Socialists.
Think about that folks. Steve Withers and his ilk running the
world. Makes a great mental image doesn't it?
The following article might be a bit long for usenet, but I
haven't snipped it because it is full of very good information.
Read it, and you will know and understand what the Bush haters
really want.
And you will also know and understand where Helen Klark and
Margaret Wilson want New Zealand to end up.
-------------------------------------------------
Concluding its 22nd global congress in Sao Paulo, Brazil,
recently, Socialist International issued its Declaration calling
for implementation of "global governance," in a program that
mirrors the recommendations of the U.N.-funded Commission on
Global Governance, published in 1995.
The International Socialists call for: expanding the U.N.
Security Council; creating a new Economic Security Council;
creating a new World Environmental Organization; and the
mechanisms necessary to enforce "Sustainable Development"
worldwide.
This document makes public the close union between the agenda of
International Socialists and the agenda for global governance
developed by the United Nations. Previous efforts to keep the
"socialist" label away from the U.N., have now been abandoned,
and both institutions are publicly seeking total global
governance through the United Nations.
Though the document does not mention the Bush administration by
name, it decries obstacles to the new world order, sought by the
Neoconservatives are attempting to ... dismantle all forms of
global governance, to minimize the role of the United Nations,
to undermine multilateral institutions, to promote unilateralism
and the consecration of the market, and to impose the will of
the powerful to decide the future of mankind.
The president of Socialist International, Antonio Guterres,
former socialist prime minister of Portugal, said the "Bush
administration was impeding efforts to establish a new world
order," according to the Denver Post (Oct. 30, p. 21A).
Specifically, the socialists want the new Economic Security
Council to be a "Council for Sustainable Development - that
would coordinate sustainable development on a global scale ..."
and, to implement the Kyoto Protocol.
Socialists want to consolidate the U.N. Environment Program, and
all the existing environmental treaties, under the enforcement
authority of a new World Environment Organization, the same
function the Commission on Global Governance proposed for the
outdated U.N. Trusteeship Council.
This document also endorses: the U.N. Millennium Development
goals adopted in 2000; the U.N.'s Monterey Consensus, adopted in
2002; and the U.N.'s Plan for Sustainable Development, adopted
in Johannesburg in 2002. It calls for the elimination of
agricultural subsidies in the U.S., Europe and Japan, and free
exportation by developing countries into these markets, and
international control of " ... regulation, accountability and
supervision of financial systems to enhance the prospects for
sustainable growth and development."
Socialist International links "exacerbated nationalism ... and
xenophobic attitudes," with terrorism, as "threats to peace,"
which must be addressed only by an expanded U.N. Security
Council, with the authority and means "to act to preserve and
enforce peace," which "must be carried out in accordance with
the decisions of the United Nations."
The [Socialist] International, therefore, believes that reform
of the United Nations cannot be delayed any longer and will
continue to be strongly engaged in the process. Achieving
lasting peace and security requires that the United Nations
Charter be updated to meet today's new challenges, and that the
Security Council be reformed to make it more representative,
democratic and responsive.
The "reform" called for by the U.N.'s Commission on Global
Governance, and by the U.N., would expand the Security Council
in number, whose members would serve rotating terms, remove the
"Permanent Member" status from the U.S., France, England,
Germany and China, and would eliminate the veto power of any
single nation.
The socialists want the U.N. to place "greater emphasis on the
provision of global public services, especially with regard to
sanitation, health care, child-care facilities, education,
employment promotion and environmental protection."
In a clear statement of support for the socialist model of
economic organization, rather than the capitalist model, the
The principle of public service cannot be sacrificed to the
consecration of the market. Tax systems should also be adapted
to promote better public services and a new global tax should be
created to fund the global public goods.
The "new global tax" endorsed by this statement is discussed at
length throughout U.N. literature and is a series of taxing
proposals ranging from a tax on international currency
transactions (the Tobin Tax), to a tax on resource use, and use
of the "global commons," which includes the air, space, oceans
and the airwaves used for radio, television and Internet
transmissions.
This global taxing authority was included in the first draft of
the recommendations of the U.N.'s High Level Panel on Financing
Development, meeting in Monterey, Mexico, in 2001. It was
removed, at the insistence of the new U.S. delegates, appointed
by the Bush administration. The panel remains in place, however,
to seek independent financing of U.N. operations.
Socialist International is the world's largest political
organization, according to its website, working through more
than 140 national organizations. Its largest affiliate in the
United States is the Democratic Socialists of America, which
says it is "building progressive movements for social change
while establishing an openly socialist presence in American
communities and politics."
The "social change" described here is the global governance
agenda developed jointly, and now publicly advanced by both the
United Nations, and the Socialist International.
--
Redbaiter
In the leftist's lexicon, the lowest of the low
--
Redbaiter
In the leftist's lexicon, the lowest of the low
Emmanuel Goldstein
2003-11-15 05:01:21 UTC
Permalink
So you're not open to dialogue on any level then? I personally don't believe
ion the politics of force but if MAchiavelli is your thing then who am I sto
knock - takes all sorts after all....but maybe one day the veil of ignorance
may be lifted from your eyes and you will find god.
Post by Redbaiter
Emmanuel Goldstein says
Post by Emmanuel Goldstein
So how do you
......snip
Fuck off you multi nicked creep. Another example of the morally
bankrupt left that pollute this discussion forum with their
cheap scams and their feeble attempts at pretending to be
someone else. Just fuck off bore, I don't discuss issues with
lowlife and BORING scum like you.
Post by Emmanuel Goldstein
Post by Redbaiter
steve says
Steve didn't say anything. he merely obliterated the post for
maybe the fifth time..
Think about this readers. Why is Steve Withers, usenet abuser
and professional communist, trying so hard to stop you from
reading the post below?
Know why...?
Because its the truth, and if there is one thing socialists fear
like a vampire fears a wooden stake thru the heart, its the
truth..
------------------------------------------------
George Bush has attracted a lot of attention from the rabid
left.
Why is that?
Why do the socialists worldwide, in New Zealand, Australia, the
UK and the rest of Europe, hate George Bush with such intensity?
Its not just the Iraqi war, which is basically being used by the
socialists as a weapon to attack Bush. The real reason for their
hatred of George Bush is that he is on to their game.
George Bush knows what the socialists are really up to, and he
stands between them and their lifelong goal. The intent of
odious scum like Steve Withers and other examples of humanity's
worst lowlife, is world government by the United Nations.
This is the objective of the world wide group called Socialist
International. Helen Klark is a senior official in this group,
along with every damn free loading stealing slimy socialist
leader involved in government in any country. She's even been to
conferences of this organisation with Parekura Horimia. She is
the head of its International Propaganda Committee, or some such
like named unit.
Now, Socialist International have, in a recent release, exposed
their agenda, which is government of the world by a
"socialised" United Nations. The important issue here is that
finally, the leftists have exposed their agenda of taking over
the United Nations and using it to further their objective of a
world controlled by Socialists.
Think about that folks. Steve Withers and his ilk running the
world. Makes a great mental image doesn't it?
The following article might be a bit long for usenet, but I
haven't snipped it because it is full of very good information.
Read it, and you will know and understand what the Bush haters
really want.
And you will also know and understand where Helen Klark and
Margaret Wilson want New Zealand to end up.
-------------------------------------------------
Concluding its 22nd global congress in Sao Paulo, Brazil,
recently, Socialist International issued its Declaration calling
for implementation of "global governance," in a program that
mirrors the recommendations of the U.N.-funded Commission on
Global Governance, published in 1995.
The International Socialists call for: expanding the U.N.
Security Council; creating a new Economic Security Council;
creating a new World Environmental Organization; and the
mechanisms necessary to enforce "Sustainable Development"
worldwide.
This document makes public the close union between the agenda of
International Socialists and the agenda for global governance
developed by the United Nations. Previous efforts to keep the
"socialist" label away from the U.N., have now been abandoned,
and both institutions are publicly seeking total global
governance through the United Nations.
Though the document does not mention the Bush administration by
name, it decries obstacles to the new world order, sought by the
Neoconservatives are attempting to ... dismantle all forms of
global governance, to minimize the role of the United Nations,
to undermine multilateral institutions, to promote unilateralism
and the consecration of the market, and to impose the will of
the powerful to decide the future of mankind.
The president of Socialist International, Antonio Guterres,
former socialist prime minister of Portugal, said the "Bush
administration was impeding efforts to establish a new world
order," according to the Denver Post (Oct. 30, p. 21A).
Specifically, the socialists want the new Economic Security
Council to be a "Council for Sustainable Development - that
would coordinate sustainable development on a global scale ..."
and, to implement the Kyoto Protocol.
Socialists want to consolidate the U.N. Environment Program, and
all the existing environmental treaties, under the enforcement
authority of a new World Environment Organization, the same
function the Commission on Global Governance proposed for the
outdated U.N. Trusteeship Council.
This document also endorses: the U.N. Millennium Development
goals adopted in 2000; the U.N.'s Monterey Consensus, adopted in
2002; and the U.N.'s Plan for Sustainable Development, adopted
in Johannesburg in 2002. It calls for the elimination of
agricultural subsidies in the U.S., Europe and Japan, and free
exportation by developing countries into these markets, and
international control of " ... regulation, accountability and
supervision of financial systems to enhance the prospects for
sustainable growth and development."
Socialist International links "exacerbated nationalism ... and
xenophobic attitudes," with terrorism, as "threats to peace,"
which must be addressed only by an expanded U.N. Security
Council, with the authority and means "to act to preserve and
enforce peace," which "must be carried out in accordance with
the decisions of the United Nations."
The [Socialist] International, therefore, believes that reform
of the United Nations cannot be delayed any longer and will
continue to be strongly engaged in the process. Achieving
lasting peace and security requires that the United Nations
Charter be updated to meet today's new challenges, and that the
Security Council be reformed to make it more representative,
democratic and responsive.
The "reform" called for by the U.N.'s Commission on Global
Governance, and by the U.N., would expand the Security Council
in number, whose members would serve rotating terms, remove the
"Permanent Member" status from the U.S., France, England,
Germany and China, and would eliminate the veto power of any
single nation.
The socialists want the U.N. to place "greater emphasis on the
provision of global public services, especially with regard to
sanitation, health care, child-care facilities, education,
employment promotion and environmental protection."
In a clear statement of support for the socialist model of
economic organization, rather than the capitalist model, the
The principle of public service cannot be sacrificed to the
consecration of the market. Tax systems should also be adapted
to promote better public services and a new global tax should be
created to fund the global public goods.
The "new global tax" endorsed by this statement is discussed at
length throughout U.N. literature and is a series of taxing
proposals ranging from a tax on international currency
transactions (the Tobin Tax), to a tax on resource use, and use
of the "global commons," which includes the air, space, oceans
and the airwaves used for radio, television and Internet
transmissions.
This global taxing authority was included in the first draft of
the recommendations of the U.N.'s High Level Panel on Financing
Development, meeting in Monterey, Mexico, in 2001. It was
removed, at the insistence of the new U.S. delegates, appointed
by the Bush administration. The panel remains in place, however,
to seek independent financing of U.N. operations.
Socialist International is the world's largest political
organization, according to its website, working through more
than 140 national organizations. Its largest affiliate in the
United States is the Democratic Socialists of America, which
says it is "building progressive movements for social change
while establishing an openly socialist presence in American
communities and politics."
The "social change" described here is the global governance
agenda developed jointly, and now publicly advanced by both the
United Nations, and the Socialist International.
--
Redbaiter
In the leftist's lexicon, the lowest of the low
--
Redbaiter
In the leftist's lexicon, the lowest of the low
Tarla Star
2003-11-15 05:53:12 UTC
Permalink
I find it interesting that you use the pseudonym of a man who believed
that the world economy would in a single economy (Socialist) with
multiple polities. That aside, Mr. Bush is not quite smart enough to
have the long view that you ascribe to him. The reason that the world
dislikes the man is because he stole an election, went to war for no
good reason, and is steadily taking the United States down the path of
Fascism. As you know, fascism is when the corporate bodies and the
government are one. This seems to be acceptable in the US and certainly
practiced by its current government. Why to people hate Bush? Because he
has too much unchecked power and none of us trust him as far as we can
drop kick a grand piano.

Cheers,
Tarla
Post by Emmanuel Goldstein
So you're not open to dialogue on any level then? I personally don't believe
ion the politics of force but if MAchiavelli is your thing then who am I sto
knock - takes all sorts after all....but maybe one day the veil of ignorance
may be lifted from your eyes and you will find god.
Post by Redbaiter
Emmanuel Goldstein says
Post by Emmanuel Goldstein
So how do you
......snip
Fuck off you multi nicked creep. Another example of the morally
bankrupt left that pollute this discussion forum with their
cheap scams and their feeble attempts at pretending to be
someone else. Just fuck off bore, I don't discuss issues with
lowlife and BORING scum like you.
Post by Emmanuel Goldstein
Post by Redbaiter
steve says
Steve didn't say anything. he merely obliterated the post for
maybe the fifth time..
Think about this readers. Why is Steve Withers, usenet abuser
and professional communist, trying so hard to stop you from
reading the post below?
Know why...?
Because its the truth, and if there is one thing socialists fear
like a vampire fears a wooden stake thru the heart, its the
truth..
------------------------------------------------
George Bush has attracted a lot of attention from the rabid
left.
Why is that?
Why do the socialists worldwide, in New Zealand, Australia, the
UK and the rest of Europe, hate George Bush with such intensity?
Its not just the Iraqi war, which is basically being used by the
socialists as a weapon to attack Bush. The real reason for their
hatred of George Bush is that he is on to their game.
George Bush knows what the socialists are really up to, and he
stands between them and their lifelong goal. The intent of
odious scum like Steve Withers and other examples of humanity's
worst lowlife, is world government by the United Nations.
This is the objective of the world wide group called Socialist
International. Helen Klark is a senior official in this group,
along with every damn free loading stealing slimy socialist
leader involved in government in any country. She's even been to
conferences of this organisation with Parekura Horimia. She is
the head of its International Propaganda Committee, or some such
like named unit.
Now, Socialist International have, in a recent release, exposed
their agenda, which is government of the world by a
"socialised" United Nations. The important issue here is that
finally, the leftists have exposed their agenda of taking over
the United Nations and using it to further their objective of a
world controlled by Socialists.
Think about that folks. Steve Withers and his ilk running the
world. Makes a great mental image doesn't it?
The following article might be a bit long for usenet, but I
haven't snipped it because it is full of very good information.
Read it, and you will know and understand what the Bush haters
really want.
And you will also know and understand where Helen Klark and
Margaret Wilson want New Zealand to end up.
-------------------------------------------------
Concluding its 22nd global congress in Sao Paulo, Brazil,
recently, Socialist International issued its Declaration calling
for implementation of "global governance," in a program that
mirrors the recommendations of the U.N.-funded Commission on
Global Governance, published in 1995.
The International Socialists call for: expanding the U.N.
Security Council; creating a new Economic Security Council;
creating a new World Environmental Organization; and the
mechanisms necessary to enforce "Sustainable Development"
worldwide.
This document makes public the close union between the agenda of
International Socialists and the agenda for global governance
developed by the United Nations. Previous efforts to keep the
"socialist" label away from the U.N., have now been abandoned,
and both institutions are publicly seeking total global
governance through the United Nations.
Though the document does not mention the Bush administration by
name, it decries obstacles to the new world order, sought by the
Neoconservatives are attempting to ... dismantle all forms of
global governance, to minimize the role of the United Nations,
to undermine multilateral institutions, to promote unilateralism
and the consecration of the market, and to impose the will of
the powerful to decide the future of mankind.
The president of Socialist International, Antonio Guterres,
former socialist prime minister of Portugal, said the "Bush
administration was impeding efforts to establish a new world
order," according to the Denver Post (Oct. 30, p. 21A).
Specifically, the socialists want the new Economic Security
Council to be a "Council for Sustainable Development - that
would coordinate sustainable development on a global scale ..."
and, to implement the Kyoto Protocol.
Socialists want to consolidate the U.N. Environment Program, and
all the existing environmental treaties, under the enforcement
authority of a new World Environment Organization, the same
function the Commission on Global Governance proposed for the
outdated U.N. Trusteeship Council.
This document also endorses: the U.N. Millennium Development
goals adopted in 2000; the U.N.'s Monterey Consensus, adopted in
2002; and the U.N.'s Plan for Sustainable Development, adopted
in Johannesburg in 2002. It calls for the elimination of
agricultural subsidies in the U.S., Europe and Japan, and free
exportation by developing countries into these markets, and
international control of " ... regulation, accountability and
supervision of financial systems to enhance the prospects for
sustainable growth and development."
Socialist International links "exacerbated nationalism ... and
xenophobic attitudes," with terrorism, as "threats to peace,"
which must be addressed only by an expanded U.N. Security
Council, with the authority and means "to act to preserve and
enforce peace," which "must be carried out in accordance with
the decisions of the United Nations."
The [Socialist] International, therefore, believes that reform
of the United Nations cannot be delayed any longer and will
continue to be strongly engaged in the process. Achieving
lasting peace and security requires that the United Nations
Charter be updated to meet today's new challenges, and that the
Security Council be reformed to make it more representative,
democratic and responsive.
The "reform" called for by the U.N.'s Commission on Global
Governance, and by the U.N., would expand the Security Council
in number, whose members would serve rotating terms, remove the
"Permanent Member" status from the U.S., France, England,
Germany and China, and would eliminate the veto power of any
single nation.
The socialists want the U.N. to place "greater emphasis on the
provision of global public services, especially with regard to
sanitation, health care, child-care facilities, education,
employment promotion and environmental protection."
In a clear statement of support for the socialist model of
economic organization, rather than the capitalist model, the
The principle of public service cannot be sacrificed to the
consecration of the market. Tax systems should also be adapted
to promote better public services and a new global tax should be
created to fund the global public goods.
The "new global tax" endorsed by this statement is discussed at
length throughout U.N. literature and is a series of taxing
proposals ranging from a tax on international currency
transactions (the Tobin Tax), to a tax on resource use, and use
of the "global commons," which includes the air, space, oceans
and the airwaves used for radio, television and Internet
transmissions.
This global taxing authority was included in the first draft of
the recommendations of the U.N.'s High Level Panel on Financing
Development, meeting in Monterey, Mexico, in 2001. It was
removed, at the insistence of the new U.S. delegates, appointed
by the Bush administration. The panel remains in place, however,
to seek independent financing of U.N. operations.
Socialist International is the world's largest political
organization, according to its website, working through more
than 140 national organizations. Its largest affiliate in the
United States is the Democratic Socialists of America, which
says it is "building progressive movements for social change
while establishing an openly socialist presence in American
communities and politics."
The "social change" described here is the global governance
agenda developed jointly, and now publicly advanced by both the
United Nations, and the Socialist International.
--
Redbaiter
In the leftist's lexicon, the lowest of the low
--
Redbaiter
In the leftist's lexicon, the lowest of the low
Redbaiter
2003-11-15 06:17:12 UTC
Permalink
Tarla Star says
Post by Tarla Star
I find it interesting that you use the pseudonym of a man who believed
that the world economy would in a single economy (Socialist) with
multiple polities. That aside, Mr. Bush is not quite smart enough to
have the long view that you ascribe to him.
Blah bal blah.. lies
Post by Tarla Star
The reason
lies
Post by Tarla Star
that the world
lies
Post by Tarla Star
dislikes the man
lies
Post by Tarla Star
is because he stole an election,
lies
Post by Tarla Star
went to war for no good reason,
lies
Post by Tarla Star
and is steadily taking the United States down the path of
Fascism.
lies
Post by Tarla Star
As you know, fascism is when the corporate bodies and the
government are one.
Well, if so, sounds just like the "third way" to me..
Post by Tarla Star
This seems to be acceptable in the US and certainly
practiced by its current government.
Lies
Post by Tarla Star
Why to people hate Bush?
Wrong.. why do the left hate Bush..? (answer below)
Post by Tarla Star
Because he
has too much unchecked power
Lies
Post by Tarla Star
and none of us
You have multiple personalities?
Post by Tarla Star
trust him as far as we can
drop kick a grand piano.
Cheers,
Tarla
Thanks Tarla, now fuck off you brain dead boring liar.
Post by Tarla Star
Post by Redbaiter
------------------------------------------------
George Bush has attracted a lot of attention from the rabid
left.
Why is that?
Why do the socialists worldwide, in New Zealand, Australia, the
UK and the rest of Europe, hate George Bush with such intensity?
Its not just the Iraqi war, which is basically being used by the
socialists as a weapon to attack Bush. The real reason for their
hatred of George Bush is that he is on to their game.
George Bush knows what the socialists are really up to, and he
stands between them and their lifelong goal. The intent of
odious scum like Steve Withers and other examples of humanity's
worst lowlife, is world government by the United Nations.
This is the objective of the world wide group called Socialist
International. Helen Klark is a senior official in this group,
along with every damn free loading stealing slimy socialist
leader involved in government in any country. She's even been to
conferences of this organisation with Parekura Horimia. She is
the head of its International Propaganda Committee, or some such
like named unit.
Now, Socialist International have, in a recent release, exposed
their agenda, which is government of the world by a
"socialised" United Nations. The important issue here is that
finally, the leftists have exposed their agenda of taking over
the United Nations and using it to further their objective of a
world controlled by Socialists.
Think about that folks. Steve Withers and his ilk running the
world. Makes a great mental image doesn't it?
The following article might be a bit long for usenet, but I
haven't snipped it because it is full of very good information.
Read it, and you will know and understand what the Bush haters
really want.
And you will also know and understand where Helen Klark and
Margaret Wilson want New Zealand to end up.
-------------------------------------------------
Concluding its 22nd global congress in Sao Paulo, Brazil,
recently, Socialist International issued its Declaration calling
for implementation of "global governance," in a program that
mirrors the recommendations of the U.N.-funded Commission on
Global Governance, published in 1995.
The International Socialists call for: expanding the U.N.
Security Council; creating a new Economic Security Council;
creating a new World Environmental Organization; and the
mechanisms necessary to enforce "Sustainable Development"
worldwide.
This document makes public the close union between the agenda of
International Socialists and the agenda for global governance
developed by the United Nations. Previous efforts to keep the
"socialist" label away from the U.N., have now been abandoned,
and both institutions are publicly seeking total global
governance through the United Nations.
Though the document does not mention the Bush administration by
name, it decries obstacles to the new world order, sought by the
Neoconservatives are attempting to ... dismantle all forms of
global governance, to minimize the role of the United Nations,
to undermine multilateral institutions, to promote unilateralism
and the consecration of the market, and to impose the will of
the powerful to decide the future of mankind.
The president of Socialist International, Antonio Guterres,
former socialist prime minister of Portugal, said the "Bush
administration was impeding efforts to establish a new world
order," according to the Denver Post (Oct. 30, p. 21A).
Specifically, the socialists want the new Economic Security
Council to be a "Council for Sustainable Development - that
would coordinate sustainable development on a global scale ..."
and, to implement the Kyoto Protocol.
Socialists want to consolidate the U.N. Environment Program, and
all the existing environmental treaties, under the enforcement
authority of a new World Environment Organization, the same
function the Commission on Global Governance proposed for the
outdated U.N. Trusteeship Council.
This document also endorses: the U.N. Millennium Development
goals adopted in 2000; the U.N.'s Monterey Consensus, adopted in
2002; and the U.N.'s Plan for Sustainable Development, adopted
in Johannesburg in 2002. It calls for the elimination of
agricultural subsidies in the U.S., Europe and Japan, and free
exportation by developing countries into these markets, and
international control of " ... regulation, accountability and
supervision of financial systems to enhance the prospects for
sustainable growth and development."
Socialist International links "exacerbated nationalism ... and
xenophobic attitudes," with terrorism, as "threats to peace,"
which must be addressed only by an expanded U.N. Security
Council, with the authority and means "to act to preserve and
enforce peace," which "must be carried out in accordance with
the decisions of the United Nations."
The [Socialist] International, therefore, believes that reform
of the United Nations cannot be delayed any longer and will
continue to be strongly engaged in the process. Achieving
lasting peace and security requires that the United Nations
Charter be updated to meet today's new challenges, and that the
Security Council be reformed to make it more representative,
democratic and responsive.
The "reform" called for by the U.N.'s Commission on Global
Governance, and by the U.N., would expand the Security Council
in number, whose members would serve rotating terms, remove the
"Permanent Member" status from the U.S., France, England,
Germany and China, and would eliminate the veto power of any
single nation.
The socialists want the U.N. to place "greater emphasis on the
provision of global public services, especially with regard to
sanitation, health care, child-care facilities, education,
employment promotion and environmental protection."
In a clear statement of support for the socialist model of
economic organization, rather than the capitalist model, the
The principle of public service cannot be sacrificed to the
consecration of the market. Tax systems should also be adapted
to promote better public services and a new global tax should be
created to fund the global public goods.
--
Redbaiter
In the leftist's lexicon, the lowest of the low
t***@texas.removethisbit.usa.com
2003-11-15 06:27:17 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:53:12 +1300, Tarla Star <***@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:

Is this the same Tarla from way back?

If so, welcome back girl.

Where have you been!!!!

Cath
Karen Hayward-King
2003-11-15 16:12:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by t***@texas.removethisbit.usa.com
Is this the same Tarla from way back?
If so, welcome back girl.
Where have you been!!!!
Definitely....Tarla has been missed!!

--
Karen Hayward-King

"I try to be as philosophical as the old lady
who said that the best thing about the future
is that it only comes one day at a time."

Dean Acheson
Tarla Star
2003-11-15 21:34:23 UTC
Permalink
Yep it's me, still loving NZ like anything! Been working in the real
world for the last few years with no time for usenet. Now I'm
contracting and have a little more time on my hands. Thanks for the
welcome back.
Post by t***@texas.removethisbit.usa.com
Is this the same Tarla from way back?
If so, welcome back girl.
Where have you been!!!!
Cath
steve
2003-11-16 08:39:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tarla Star
As you know, fascism is when the corporate bodies and the
government are one. This seems to be acceptable in the US and certainly
practiced by its current government. Why to people hate Bush? Because he
has too much unchecked power and none of us trust him as far as we can
drop kick a grand piano.
Cheers,
Tarla
Great post.
--
Best Regards,
Steve Withers
defenestrate: The act of throwing Windows out the window and replacing it on
your PC with some other operating system.
Sarns
2003-11-16 09:46:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tarla Star
I find it interesting that you use the pseudonym of a man who believed
that the world economy would in a single economy (Socialist) with
multiple polities. That aside, Mr. Bush is not quite smart enough to
have the long view that you ascribe to him. The reason that the world
dislikes the man is because he stole an election, went to war for no
good reason, and is steadily taking the United States down the path of
Fascism. As you know, fascism is when the corporate bodies and the
government are one. This seems to be acceptable in the US and certainly
practiced by its current government. Why to people hate Bush? Because he
has too much unchecked power and none of us trust him as far as we can
drop kick a grand piano.
Cheers,
Tarla
WOWWW Tarla ...Bloody LTNS!

Sarns
Post by Tarla Star
Post by Emmanuel Goldstein
So you're not open to dialogue on any level then? I personally don't believe
ion the politics of force but if MAchiavelli is your thing then who am I sto
knock - takes all sorts after all....but maybe one day the veil of ignorance
may be lifted from your eyes and you will find god.
Post by Redbaiter
Emmanuel Goldstein says
Post by Emmanuel Goldstein
So how do you
......snip
Fuck off you multi nicked creep. Another example of the morally
bankrupt left that pollute this discussion forum with their
cheap scams and their feeble attempts at pretending to be
someone else. Just fuck off bore, I don't discuss issues with
lowlife and BORING scum like you.
Post by Emmanuel Goldstein
Post by Redbaiter
steve says
Steve didn't say anything. he merely obliterated the post for
maybe the fifth time..
Think about this readers. Why is Steve Withers, usenet abuser
and professional communist, trying so hard to stop you from
reading the post below?
Know why...?
Because its the truth, and if there is one thing socialists fear
like a vampire fears a wooden stake thru the heart, its the
truth..
------------------------------------------------
George Bush has attracted a lot of attention from the rabid
left.
Why is that?
Why do the socialists worldwide, in New Zealand, Australia, the
UK and the rest of Europe, hate George Bush with such intensity?
Its not just the Iraqi war, which is basically being used by the
socialists as a weapon to attack Bush. The real reason for their
hatred of George Bush is that he is on to their game.
George Bush knows what the socialists are really up to, and he
stands between them and their lifelong goal. The intent of
odious scum like Steve Withers and other examples of humanity's
worst lowlife, is world government by the United Nations.
This is the objective of the world wide group called Socialist
International. Helen Klark is a senior official in this group,
along with every damn free loading stealing slimy socialist
leader involved in government in any country. She's even been to
conferences of this organisation with Parekura Horimia. She is
the head of its International Propaganda Committee, or some such
like named unit.
Now, Socialist International have, in a recent release, exposed
their agenda, which is government of the world by a
"socialised" United Nations. The important issue here is that
finally, the leftists have exposed their agenda of taking over
the United Nations and using it to further their objective of a
world controlled by Socialists.
Think about that folks. Steve Withers and his ilk running the
world. Makes a great mental image doesn't it?
The following article might be a bit long for usenet, but I
haven't snipped it because it is full of very good information.
Read it, and you will know and understand what the Bush haters
really want.
And you will also know and understand where Helen Klark and
Margaret Wilson want New Zealand to end up.
-------------------------------------------------
Concluding its 22nd global congress in Sao Paulo, Brazil,
recently, Socialist International issued its Declaration calling
for implementation of "global governance," in a program that
mirrors the recommendations of the U.N.-funded Commission on
Global Governance, published in 1995.
The International Socialists call for: expanding the U.N.
Security Council; creating a new Economic Security Council;
creating a new World Environmental Organization; and the
mechanisms necessary to enforce "Sustainable Development"
worldwide.
This document makes public the close union between the agenda of
International Socialists and the agenda for global governance
developed by the United Nations. Previous efforts to keep the
"socialist" label away from the U.N., have now been abandoned,
and both institutions are publicly seeking total global
governance through the United Nations.
Though the document does not mention the Bush administration by
name, it decries obstacles to the new world order, sought by the
Neoconservatives are attempting to ... dismantle all forms of
global governance, to minimize the role of the United Nations,
to undermine multilateral institutions, to promote unilateralism
and the consecration of the market, and to impose the will of
the powerful to decide the future of mankind.
The president of Socialist International, Antonio Guterres,
former socialist prime minister of Portugal, said the "Bush
administration was impeding efforts to establish a new world
order," according to the Denver Post (Oct. 30, p. 21A).
Specifically, the socialists want the new Economic Security
Council to be a "Council for Sustainable Development - that
would coordinate sustainable development on a global scale ..."
and, to implement the Kyoto Protocol.
Socialists want to consolidate the U.N. Environment Program, and
all the existing environmental treaties, under the enforcement
authority of a new World Environment Organization, the same
function the Commission on Global Governance proposed for the
outdated U.N. Trusteeship Council.
This document also endorses: the U.N. Millennium Development
goals adopted in 2000; the U.N.'s Monterey Consensus, adopted in
2002; and the U.N.'s Plan for Sustainable Development, adopted
in Johannesburg in 2002. It calls for the elimination of
agricultural subsidies in the U.S., Europe and Japan, and free
exportation by developing countries into these markets, and
international control of " ... regulation, accountability and
supervision of financial systems to enhance the prospects for
sustainable growth and development."
Socialist International links "exacerbated nationalism ... and
xenophobic attitudes," with terrorism, as "threats to peace,"
which must be addressed only by an expanded U.N. Security
Council, with the authority and means "to act to preserve and
enforce peace," which "must be carried out in accordance with
the decisions of the United Nations."
The [Socialist] International, therefore, believes that reform
of the United Nations cannot be delayed any longer and will
continue to be strongly engaged in the process. Achieving
lasting peace and security requires that the United Nations
Charter be updated to meet today's new challenges, and that the
Security Council be reformed to make it more representative,
democratic and responsive.
The "reform" called for by the U.N.'s Commission on Global
Governance, and by the U.N., would expand the Security Council
in number, whose members would serve rotating terms, remove the
"Permanent Member" status from the U.S., France, England,
Germany and China, and would eliminate the veto power of any
single nation.
The socialists want the U.N. to place "greater emphasis on the
provision of global public services, especially with regard to
sanitation, health care, child-care facilities, education,
employment promotion and environmental protection."
In a clear statement of support for the socialist model of
economic organization, rather than the capitalist model, the
The principle of public service cannot be sacrificed to the
consecration of the market. Tax systems should also be adapted
to promote better public services and a new global tax should be
created to fund the global public goods.
The "new global tax" endorsed by this statement is discussed at
length throughout U.N. literature and is a series of taxing
proposals ranging from a tax on international currency
transactions (the Tobin Tax), to a tax on resource use, and use
of the "global commons," which includes the air, space, oceans
and the airwaves used for radio, television and Internet
transmissions.
This global taxing authority was included in the first draft of
the recommendations of the U.N.'s High Level Panel on Financing
Development, meeting in Monterey, Mexico, in 2001. It was
removed, at the insistence of the new U.S. delegates, appointed
by the Bush administration. The panel remains in place, however,
to seek independent financing of U.N. operations.
Socialist International is the world's largest political
organization, according to its website, working through more
than 140 national organizations. Its largest affiliate in the
United States is the Democratic Socialists of America, which
says it is "building progressive movements for social change
while establishing an openly socialist presence in American
communities and politics."
The "social change" described here is the global governance
agenda developed jointly, and now publicly advanced by both the
United Nations, and the Socialist International.
--
Redbaiter
In the leftist's lexicon, the lowest of the low
--
Redbaiter
In the leftist's lexicon, the lowest of the low
steve
2003-11-15 09:26:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Emmanuel Goldstein
So how do you compare National Socialism with INternational Socialism -
the two would seem to be contradictory yet you are quick to label any left
leaning person a Nazi on one hand or a Commie on the other. What's wrong
with a 1 world government?
You're assuming redbaiter is interested in honest debate.

He isn't.
--
Best Regards,
Steve Withers
defenestrate: The act of throwing Windows out the window and replacing it on
your PC with some other operating system.
Phelan
2003-11-14 09:19:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Redbaiter
George Bush has attracted a lot of attention from the rabid
left.
Why is that?
Why do the socialists worldwide, in New Zealand, Australia, the
UK and the rest of Europe, hate George Bush with such intensity?
Its not just the Iraqi war, which is basically being used by the
socialists as a weapon to attack Bush. The real reason for their
hatred of George Bush is that he is on to their game.
George Bush knows what the socialists are really up to, and he
stands between them and their lifelong goal. The intent of
odious scum like Steve Withers and other examples of humanity's
worst lowlife, is world government by the United Nations.
snip


socialist presence in American
Post by Redbaiter
communities and politics."
The "social change" described here is the global governance
agenda developed jointly, and now publicly advanced by both the
United Nations, and the Socialist International.
If Bush is our only hope we are in trouble, I just
can't see enough people like him around the world
to combat this new threat to democracy and
individual rights !

Just how this can be communicated to the public
without it appearing like some huge conspiracy
theory is the biggest problem. The concept that an
organisation like the UN which everyone sees like
a huge cuddly teddy bear, being accosiated with
the greatest assault on individual rights since
the cold war, is going to be a hard sell.

Bush doesn't seem to be the guy to do it
unfortunately, I think Bush is like Prebble,
'everyone' knows he is doing the right thing, but
love to hate him anyway.

You've identified the problem, but what is the
cure, this neo-socialism is far more insidious
than the communism of the cold war, and stretches
across issues like war, GM, science, free trade
etc. As communism did, it has united the
unimpowered and the marginalized - in this case
the economically unimpowered, and the
intellectually marginalised.

Instead of it being political marginalisation, it
is now people who have not been able to cope with
the fast pace of economic, scientific and social
change that globatisation, peace and economic
prosperity has brought.

The NZ Firsts and the Greens of the world long for
the mythical good old days, when things were so
much simpler. The only difference is perceptions,
the Green want to be groveling around in the muck
in hand knitted lumpy clothing, growing organic
turnips and 'living of the land' in 'harmony' with
nature, and NZ First wants white
married-with-two-children families living in neat
brick and tile state provided housing, the daddies
going of to work each day with the wives hanging
out the nice white washing, smiling on the
frolicking children basking in the warm sun on
their quarter acre section in safe suburbia - both
are just as naive and removed from reality, but
both images appeal to people who are confused by
where the world is headed.

How do you persuade these people that GM, mobile
phones, the 'net, biotechnology and free trade are
things that have benefited man kind, and not
things to be feared ?

I don't know, maybe you just ignore them and get
on with it, but the risk is that they will become
the next threat to individual and economic
freedom, and that will put all the magnificent
gains humanity has made at risk.
Sue Bilstein
2003-11-14 09:24:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Phelan
If Bush is our only hope we are in trouble, I just
can't see enough people like him around the world
to combat this new threat to democracy and
individual rights !
Is George Bush combatting George Bush then?
Phelan
2003-11-14 09:28:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sue Bilstein
Post by Phelan
If Bush is our only hope we are in trouble, I just
can't see enough people like him around the world
to combat this new threat to democracy and
individual rights !
Is George Bush combatting George Bush then?
well sort of - the free market side of him, and
the other side that panders to the steel industry :-)
slunk
2003-11-14 19:18:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Redbaiter
George Bush is that he is on to their game.
I doubt George Bush is onto anything really.
Ray Dobson
2003-11-14 21:32:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Redbaiter
George Bush has attracted a lot of attention from the rabid
left.
Why is that?
Why do the socialists worldwide, in New Zealand, Australia, the
UK and the rest of Europe, hate George Bush with such intensity?
Its not just the Iraqi war, which is basically being used by the
socialists as a weapon to attack Bush. The real reason for their
hatred of George Bush is that he is on to their game.
George Bush is on to no-one's game-----not even Cheney's enrichment of
Halliburton. Ol' Dubya is too clueless to even think for himself.
RD.......
owend
2003-11-15 01:30:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Redbaiter
George Bush has attracted a lot of attention from the rabid
left.
Why is that?
Why do the socialists worldwide, in New Zealand, Australia, the
UK and the rest of Europe, hate George Bush with such intensity?
Its not just the Iraqi war, which is basically being used by the
socialists as a weapon to attack Bush. The real reason for their
hatred of George Bush is that he is on to their game.
George Bush knows what the socialists are really up to, and he
stands between them and their lifelong goal. The intent of
odious scum like Steve Withers and other examples of humanity's
worst lowlife, is world government by the United Nations.
This is the objective of the world wide group called Socialist
International. Helen Klark is a senior official in this group,
along with every damn free loading stealing slimy socialist
leader involved in government in any country. She's even been to
conferences of this organisation with Parekura Horimia. She is
the head of its International Propaganda Committee, or some such
like named unit.
Now, Socialist International have, in a recent release, exposed
their agenda, which is government of the world by a
"socialised" United Nations. The important issue here is that
finally, the leftists have exposed their agenda of taking over
the United Nations and using it to further their objective of a
world controlled by Socialists.
Think about that folks. Steve Withers and his ilk running the
world. Makes a great mental image doesn't it?
The following article might be a bit long for usenet, but I
haven't snipped it because it is full of very good information.
Read it, and you will know and understand what the Bush haters
really want.
And you will also know and understand where Helen Klark and
Margaret Wilson want New Zealand to end up.
-------------------------------------------------
Concluding its 22nd global congress in Sao Paulo, Brazil,
recently, Socialist International issued its Declaration calling
for implementation of "global governance," in a program that
mirrors the recommendations of the U.N.-funded Commission on
Global Governance, published in 1995.
The International Socialists call for: expanding the U.N.
Security Council; creating a new Economic Security Council;
creating a new World Environmental Organization; and the
mechanisms necessary to enforce "Sustainable Development"
worldwide.
This document makes public the close union between the agenda of
International Socialists and the agenda for global governance
developed by the United Nations. Previous efforts to keep the
"socialist" label away from the U.N., have now been abandoned,
and both institutions are publicly seeking total global
governance through the United Nations.
Though the document does not mention the Bush administration by
name, it decries obstacles to the new world order, sought by the
Neoconservatives are attempting to ... dismantle all forms of
global governance, to minimize the role of the United Nations,
to undermine multilateral institutions, to promote unilateralism
and the consecration of the market, and to impose the will of
the powerful to decide the future of mankind.
The president of Socialist International, Antonio Guterres,
former socialist prime minister of Portugal, said the "Bush
administration was impeding efforts to establish a new world
order," according to the Denver Post (Oct. 30, p. 21A).
Specifically, the socialists want the new Economic Security
Council to be a "Council for Sustainable Development – that
would coordinate sustainable development on a global scale ..."
and, to implement the Kyoto Protocol.
Socialists want to consolidate the U.N. Environment Program, and
all the existing environmental treaties, under the enforcement
authority of a new World Environment Organization, the same
function the Commission on Global Governance proposed for the
outdated U.N. Trusteeship Council.
This document also endorses: the U.N. Millennium Development
goals adopted in 2000; the U.N.'s Monterey Consensus, adopted in
2002; and the U.N.'s Plan for Sustainable Development, adopted
in Johannesburg in 2002. It calls for the elimination of
agricultural subsidies in the U.S., Europe and Japan, and free
exportation by developing countries into these markets, and
international control of " ... regulation, accountability and
supervision of financial systems to enhance the prospects for
sustainable growth and development."
Socialist International links "exacerbated nationalism ... and
xenophobic attitudes," with terrorism, as "threats to peace,"
which must be addressed only by an expanded U.N. Security
Council, with the authority and means "to act to preserve and
enforce peace," which "must be carried out in accordance with
the decisions of the United Nations."
The [Socialist] International, therefore, believes that reform
of the United Nations cannot be delayed any longer and will
continue to be strongly engaged in the process. Achieving
lasting peace and security requires that the United Nations
Charter be updated to meet today's new challenges, and that the
Security Council be reformed to make it more representative,
democratic and responsive.
The "reform" called for by the U.N.'s Commission on Global
Governance, and by the U.N., would expand the Security Council
in number, whose members would serve rotating terms, remove the
"Permanent Member" status from the U.S., France, England,
Germany and China, and would eliminate the veto power of any
single nation.
The socialists want the U.N. to place "greater emphasis on the
provision of global public services, especially with regard to
sanitation, health care, child-care facilities, education,
employment promotion and environmental protection."
In a clear statement of support for the socialist model of
economic organization, rather than the capitalist model, the
The principle of public service cannot be sacrificed to the
consecration of the market. Tax systems should also be adapted
to promote better public services and a new global tax should be
created to fund the global public goods.
The "new global tax" endorsed by this statement is discussed at
length throughout U.N. literature and is a series of taxing
proposals ranging from a tax on international currency
transactions (the Tobin Tax), to a tax on resource use, and use
of the "global commons," which includes the air, space, oceans
and the airwaves used for radio, television and Internet
transmissions.
This global taxing authority was included in the first draft of
the recommendations of the U.N.'s High Level Panel on Financing
Development, meeting in Monterey, Mexico, in 2001. It was
removed, at the insistence of the new U.S. delegates, appointed
by the Bush administration. The panel remains in place, however,
to seek independent financing of U.N. operations.
Socialist International is the world's largest political
organization, according to its website, working through more
than 140 national organizations. Its largest affiliate in the
United States is the Democratic Socialists of America, which
says it is "building progressive movements for social change
while establishing an openly socialist presence in American
communities and politics."
The "social change" described here is the global governance
agenda developed jointly, and now publicly advanced by both the
United Nations, and the Socialist International.
The sooner the US withdraws from the UN and orders it out of NY the
better. Let it go the way of the League of Nations.
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