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TPM is a disgrace to Maoridom.
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Tony
2024-11-22 19:13:55 UTC
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Disrespecting parliament should carry severe penalties.
Where I live most local folk believe this behaviour is reprehensible, and at
least 50% of those folk are Maori.
Crash
2024-11-22 22:11:46 UTC
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On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 19:13:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony
Post by Tony
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Disrespecting parliament should carry severe penalties.
Where I live most local folk believe this behaviour is reprehensible, and at
least 50% of those folk are Maori.
This is not the way of it currently. Maori are allowed to behave in
ways that non-Maori would never contemplate because of the
consequences. Imagine what would happen if ACT MPs got up in
Parliament and danced with verbal aggression right in front of the
Maori Party MPs.
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Tony
2024-11-22 22:54:16 UTC
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On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 19:13:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony
Post by Tony
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Disrespecting parliament should carry severe penalties.
Where I live most local folk believe this behaviour is reprehensible, and at
least 50% of those folk are Maori.
This is not the way of it currently. Maori are allowed to behave in
ways that non-Maori would never contemplate because of the
consequences. Imagine what would happen if ACT MPs got up in
Parliament and danced with verbal aggression right in front of the
Maori Party MPs.
I agree Crash, that was my intention.
My local folk believe TPM do not represent them in any way.
Rich80105
2024-11-23 09:19:06 UTC
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Post by Crash
On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 19:13:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony
Post by Tony
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Disrespecting parliament should carry severe penalties.
Where I live most local folk believe this behaviour is reprehensible, and at
least 50% of those folk are Maori.
This is not the way of it currently. Maori are allowed to behave in
ways that non-Maori would never contemplate because of the
consequences. Imagine what would happen if ACT MPs got up in
Parliament and danced with verbal aggression right in front of the
Maori Party MPs.
That is exactly what happened - Seymour's verbal aggression over a
considerable period of time was eventually met by a relatively mild
and short remonstration by another political party. This is of course
what Seymour wanted - he will be delighted to have upset Te Pati
Maori, and he hopes that his blatant contempt for acting in accordance
with a binding commitment will get some waverers to support him, if
for no other reason than his upsetting Maori.

The six months select committee gives him the opportunity to build
distrust and conflict, with those picking up his line transferring
support at the next election from mainly National and NZ First to ACT,
but with the advantage of also telling those already supporters that
ACT will stop at nothing to deliver to supporters, and under cover of
that demonstration, distract from other issues such as fast track
pay-offs to supporters. ACT are indeed dancing with glee at showing
how they are not constrained by common decency, or government
commitments - as with Trump, power is all . . .
Tony
2024-11-23 19:30:53 UTC
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Post by Crash
On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 19:13:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony
Post by Tony
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/te-pati-maori-files-complaint-against-gerry-brownlee-as-coalition-targets-haka/6X3DAO5MINCAHCUGWTLQ265GEM/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg#:~:text=Te%20P%C4%81ti%20M%C4%81ori%20has%20laid%20an%20official%20complaint,Te%20Tiriti%2C%20Aotearoa%E2%80%99s%20biggest%20protest%20on%20parliament%20grounds.
Disrespecting parliament should carry severe penalties.
Where I live most local folk believe this behaviour is reprehensible, and at
least 50% of those folk are Maori.
This is not the way of it currently. Maori are allowed to behave in
ways that non-Maori would never contemplate because of the
consequences. Imagine what would happen if ACT MPs got up in
Parliament and danced with verbal aggression right in front of the
Maori Party MPs.
That is exactly what happened - Seymour's verbal aggression over a
considerable period of time was eventually met by a relatively mild
and short remonstration by another political party. This is of course
what Seymour wanted - he will be delighted to have upset Te Pati
Maori, and he hopes that his blatant contempt for acting in accordance
with a binding commitment will get some waverers to support him, if
for no other reason than his upsetting Maori.
Absurd bullshit, even you cannot believe what you have written.
Post by Rich80105
The six months select committee gives him the opportunity to build
distrust and conflict, with those picking up his line transferring
support at the next election from mainly National and NZ First to ACT,
but with the advantage of also telling those already supporters that
ACT will stop at nothing to deliver to supporters, and under cover of
that demonstration, distract from other issues such as fast track
pay-offs to supporters. ACT are indeed dancing with glee at showing
how they are not constrained by common decency, or government
commitments - as with Trump, power is all . . .
You are so desparate that you are now living in cloud cuckoo land.
Crash
2024-11-24 01:34:36 UTC
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On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 19:13:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony
Post by Tony
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/te-pati-maori-files-complaint-against-gerry-brownlee-as-coalition-targets-haka/6X3DAO5MINCAHCUGWTLQ265GEM/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg#:~:text=Te%20P%C4%81ti%20M%C4%81ori%20has%20laid%20an%20official%20complaint,Te%20Tiriti%2C%20Aotearoa%E2%80%99s%20biggest%20protest%20on%20parliament%20grounds.
Disrespecting parliament should carry severe penalties.
Where I live most local folk believe this behaviour is reprehensible, and at
least 50% of those folk are Maori.
This is not the way of it currently. Maori are allowed to behave in
ways that non-Maori would never contemplate because of the
consequences. Imagine what would happen if ACT MPs got up in
Parliament and danced with verbal aggression right in front of the
Maori Party MPs.
That is exactly what happened - Seymour's verbal aggression over a
considerable period of time
Ludicrous nonsense. I carefully described what the Maori Party did in
Parliament when the Bill received its first reading. ACT have never
indulged in anything similar in Parliament.
Post by Rich80105
was eventually met by a relatively mild
and short remonstration by another political party. This is of course
what Seymour wanted - he will be delighted to have upset Te Pati
Maori, and he hopes that his blatant contempt for acting in accordance
with a binding commitment will get some waverers to support him, if
for no other reason than his upsetting Maori.
You have no basis to make assertions about what ACT or Seymour want,
and you continue to misrepresent what the Bill is about. You ignore
the fact that Labour supported a similar Bill in 2005/2006, that was
defeated at its second reading when Labour voted against it as
promised.

What happened with ACT's Bill is totally irrational given the
circumstances.
Post by Rich80105
The six months select committee gives him the opportunity to build
distrust and conflict, with those picking up his line transferring
support at the next election from mainly National and NZ First to ACT,
but with the advantage of also telling those already supporters that
ACT will stop at nothing to deliver to supporters, and under cover of
that demonstration, distract from other issues such as fast track
pay-offs to supporters. ACT are indeed dancing with glee at showing
how they are not constrained by common decency, or government
commitments - as with Trump, power is all . . .
Irrational rubbish and irrelevant to ACT's Bill.
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Crash McBash
Gordon
2024-11-24 02:24:16 UTC
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Post by Crash
On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 19:13:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony
Post by Tony
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/te-pati-maori-files-complaint-against-gerry-brownlee-as-coalition-targets-haka/6X3DAO5MINCAHCUGWTLQ265GEM/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg#:~:text=Te%20P%C4%81ti%20M%C4%81ori%20has%20laid%20an%20official%20complaint,Te%20Tiriti%2C%20Aotearoa%E2%80%99s%20biggest%20protest%20on%20parliament%20grounds.
Disrespecting parliament should carry severe penalties.
Where I live most local folk believe this behaviour is reprehensible, and at
least 50% of those folk are Maori.
This is not the way of it currently. Maori are allowed to behave in
ways that non-Maori would never contemplate because of the
consequences. Imagine what would happen if ACT MPs got up in
Parliament and danced with verbal aggression right in front of the
Maori Party MPs.
That is exactly what happened - Seymour's verbal aggression over a
considerable period of time was eventually met by a relatively mild
and short remonstration by another political party. This is of course
what Seymour wanted - he will be delighted to have upset Te Pati
Maori, and he hopes that his blatant contempt for acting in accordance
with a binding commitment will get some waverers to support him, if
for no other reason than his upsetting Maori.
The six months select committee gives him the opportunity to build
distrust and conflict, with those picking up his line transferring
support at the next election from mainly National and NZ First to ACT,
but with the advantage of also telling those already supporters that
ACT will stop at nothing to deliver to supporters, and under cover of
that demonstration, distract from other issues such as fast track
pay-offs to supporters. ACT are indeed dancing with glee at showing
how they are not constrained by common decency, or government
commitments - as with Trump, power is all . . .
So we have a case of the person, MP, not being able to defend/explain his
point of view. In a democracy we can expect to be offended at times by the
ideas that are expressed. However most of us do not shoot the messanger. We
express points which you hope will persuade the other side to your view
point.

Note that once again we also have the case where Left is transferring the
fault onto the other party. (Its not me, it is you).

I believe that the Treaty issues, need to be discussed and a start of
working through them. Other wise they will continue to fester at intervals.

It will be a difficult task, but disrepection the Governing system of the
country will not help in any way.

Finally this attempt to divide that Nation is also a Left desire/plan.
Rich80105
2024-11-22 22:45:40 UTC
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On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 19:13:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony
Post by Tony
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Disrespecting parliament should carry severe penalties.
Where I live most local folk believe this behaviour is reprehensible, and at
least 50% of those folk are Maori.
Gerry Brownlee is increasingly out of his depth; I agree that his
behaviour has often been reprehensible.
Tony
2024-11-22 22:52:53 UTC
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On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 19:13:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony
Post by Tony
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Disrespecting parliament should carry severe penalties.
Where I live most local folk believe this behaviour is reprehensible, and at
least 50% of those folk are Maori.
Stupidity removed. The subject is TPM, not Rich's sexual fantaises.
Gordon
2024-11-22 22:46:37 UTC
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Post by Tony
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Disrespecting parliament should carry severe penalties.
Where I live most local folk believe this behaviour is reprehensible, and at
least 50% of those folk are Maori.
This act is certainly a is either virally funny or/and a totally serious
matter. Either way it begs the question and to what the voters were
thinking to elect these people to the House.

For a civilised society the Government has to be respected. Without respect
civilised society will soon decay into choas.

How can we asa country make progress with an attitude such as this?

Good to see that Tony's sampling shows that 50% of the Maori do not agree
with this behaviour. These kind of facts need to be reported in the main
stream media.
Tony
2024-11-22 22:58:32 UTC
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Disrespecting parliament should carry severe penalties.
Where I live most local folk believe this behaviour is reprehensible, and at
least 50% of those folk are Maori.
This act is certainly a is either virally funny or/and a totally serious
matter. Either way it begs the question and to what the voters were
thinking to elect these people to the House.
For a civilised society the Government has to be respected. Without respect
civilised society will soon decay into choas.
How can we asa country make progress with an attitude such as this?
Good to see that Tony's sampling shows that 50% of the Maori do not agree
with this behaviour. These kind of facts need to be reported in the main
stream media.
They won't be. The MSM is corrupt, they are almost entirely driven by politics
and have allowed their standards to drop well below professionally acceptable
levels.
They need to be allowed to fade away to nothing so that they can be reborn with
some level of integrity.
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