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Euripides
2021-09-13 02:50:58 UTC
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I have done some careful research into trolling in nz.general.
I have some expertise in this sort of thing having once been the
moderator of two Usenet groups over a 7 year period until 2017.
There are several folk who post here that can have strong views, some
will stick to those views however hard others argue otherwise. That is
not trolling by any definition I have ever heard of. No, that is
legitimate and open argument and a common human trait.
There is also some mild abuse (by Usenet standards it is pretty mild),
that on its own is also not trolling.
How-some-ever there are two persons who are inclined to bully and who
often join forces against those they both dislike. They seem to get some
satisfaction in doing that. They seem to deliberately take the
conversation down false trails in order to get the most pleasure from
their activities. They also abuse their audience at least as much as
anybody who posts here. That is most definitely trolling.
In my experience people who behave like that do so with full and gleeful
knowledge that they are doing all they can to annoy and even hurt folks.
I am unlikely to answer any responses to this but I think they know who
they are. One has a silly habit of using highfalutin language and the
other seems to hang on to the first persons coat tails (I was tempted to
write "tales", so appropriate on occasion).
OK then, for what it is worth, maybe all the rest could completely
ignore them, that is one of the few things that works with trolls.
On the other hand just ignore me.
Euripides
2021-09-13 03:39:44 UTC
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I have done some careful research into trolling in nz.general.
I have some expertise in this sort of thing having once been the
moderator of two Usenet groups over a 7 year period until 2017.
There are several folk who post here that can have strong views, some
will stick to those views however hard others argue otherwise. That is
not trolling by any definition I have ever heard of. No, that is
legitimate and open argument and a common human trait.
There is also some mild abuse (by Usenet standards it is pretty mild),
that on its own is also not trolling.
How-some-ever there are two persons who are inclined to bully and who
often join forces against those they both dislike. They seem to get some
satisfaction in doing that. They seem to deliberately take the
conversation down false trails in order to get the most pleasure from
their activities. They also abuse their audience at least as much as
anybody who posts here. That is most definitely trolling.
In my experience people who behave like that do so with full and gleeful
knowledge that they are doing all they can to annoy and even hurt folks.
I am unlikely to answer any responses to this but I think they know who
they are. One has a silly habit of using highfalutin language and the
other seems to hang on to the first persons coat tails (I was tempted to
write "tales", so appropriate on occasion).
OK then, for what it is worth, maybe all the rest could completely
ignore them, that is one of the few things that works with trolls.
On the other hand just ignore me.
Nellie the Elephant
2021-09-14 02:24:19 UTC
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Post by Euripides
I have done some careful research into trolling in nz.general.
I have some expertise in this sort of thing having once been the
moderator of two Usenet groups over a 7 year period until 2017.
There are several folk who post here that can have strong views, some
will stick to those views however hard others argue otherwise. That is
not trolling by any definition I have ever heard of. No, that is
legitimate and open argument and a common human trait.
There is also some mild abuse (by Usenet standards it is pretty mild),
that on its own is also not trolling.
How-some-ever there are two persons who are inclined to bully and who
often join forces against those they both dislike. They seem to get some
satisfaction in doing that. They seem to deliberately take the
conversation down false trails in order to get the most pleasure from
their activities. They also abuse their audience at least as much as
anybody who posts here. That is most definitely trolling.
In my experience people who behave like that do so with full and gleeful
knowledge that they are doing all they can to annoy and even hurt folks.
I am unlikely to answer any responses to this but I think they know who
they are. One has a silly habit of using highfalutin language and the
other seems to hang on to the first persons coat tails (I was tempted to
write "tales", so appropriate on occasion).
OK then, for what it is worth, maybe all the rest could completely
ignore them, that is one of the few things that works with trolls.
On the other hand just ignore me.
Yes well said.
What a shame when one or two dominate and spoli it for the more
moderate.
In my past I have come across trolling but less than you I expect and
my observations are that when faced with their sins they tend to go
quiet for a while and they are inclined to be very sarcastic.Usenet
trolls are disgusting creatures, on par with pickpockets and scammers.
Euripides
2021-09-19 23:13:33 UTC
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Post by Euripides
I have done some careful research into trolling in nz.general.
I have some expertise in this sort of thing having once been the
moderator of two Usenet groups over a 7 year period until 2017.
There are several folk who post here that can have strong views, some
will stick to those views however hard others argue otherwise. That is
not trolling by any definition I have ever heard of. No, that is
legitimate and open argument and a common human trait.
There is also some mild abuse (by Usenet standards it is pretty mild),
that on its own is also not trolling.
How-some-ever there are two persons who are inclined to bully and who
often join forces against those they both dislike. They seem to get some
satisfaction in doing that. They seem to deliberately take the
conversation down false trails in order to get the most pleasure from
their activities. They also abuse their audience at least as much as
anybody who posts here. That is most definitely trolling.
In my experience people who behave like that do so with full and gleeful
knowledge that they are doing all they can to annoy and even hurt folks.
I am unlikely to answer any responses to this but I think they know who
they are. One has a silly habit of using highfalutin language and the
other seems to hang on to the first persons coat tails (I was tempted to
write "tales", so appropriate on occasion).
OK then, for what it is worth, maybe all the rest could completely
ignore them, that is one of the few things that works with trolls.
On the other hand just ignore me.
Yes well said.
What a shame when one or two dominate and spoli it for the more
moderate.
In my past I have come across trolling but less than you I expect and
my observations are that when faced with their sins they tend to go
quiet for a while and they are inclined to be very sarcastic.Usenet
trolls are disgusting creatures, on par with pickpockets and scammers.
Monday morning and he hasn't learned so you are correct. The Rich fool
went quiet but his fixation on doing harm got the better of him as it
always does and always will. Trolling is a disease a bit like gonorrhea
but a lot worse for other commentators.

Ainulindale_world_that_is
2021-09-14 07:24:44 UTC
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Post by Euripides
I have done some careful research into trolling in nz.general.
I have some expertise in this sort of thing having once been the
moderator of two Usenet groups over a 7 year period until 2017.
There are several folk who post here that can have strong views, some
will stick to those views however hard others argue otherwise. That is
not trolling by any definition I have ever heard of. No, that is
legitimate and open argument and a common human trait.
There is also some mild abuse (by Usenet standards it is pretty mild),
that on its own is also not trolling.
How-some-ever there are two persons who are inclined to bully and who
often join forces against those they both dislike. They seem to get some
satisfaction in doing that. They seem to deliberately take the
conversation down false trails in order to get the most pleasure from
their activities. They also abuse their audience at least as much as
anybody who posts here. That is most definitely trolling.
In my experience people who behave like that do so with full and gleeful
knowledge that they are doing all they can to annoy and even hurt folks.
I am unlikely to answer any responses to this but I think they know who
they are. One has a silly habit of using highfalutin language and the
other seems to hang on to the first persons coat tails (I was tempted to
write "tales", so appropriate on occasion).
OK then, for what it is worth, maybe all the rest could completely
ignore them, that is one of the few things that works with trolls.
On the other hand just ignore me.
I can't for the life of me think who you are referring to. Nobody here
would be such a Dick or a Jerk would they?
Rich80105
2021-09-14 10:21:39 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 19:24:44 +1200, Ainulindale_world_that_is
Post by Ainulindale_world_that_is
Post by Euripides
I have done some careful research into trolling in nz.general.
I have some expertise in this sort of thing having once been the
moderator of two Usenet groups over a 7 year period until 2017.
There are several folk who post here that can have strong views, some
will stick to those views however hard others argue otherwise. That is
not trolling by any definition I have ever heard of. No, that is
legitimate and open argument and a common human trait.
There is also some mild abuse (by Usenet standards it is pretty mild),
that on its own is also not trolling.
How-some-ever there are two persons who are inclined to bully and who
often join forces against those they both dislike. They seem to get some
satisfaction in doing that. They seem to deliberately take the
conversation down false trails in order to get the most pleasure from
their activities. They also abuse their audience at least as much as
anybody who posts here. That is most definitely trolling.
In my experience people who behave like that do so with full and gleeful
knowledge that they are doing all they can to annoy and even hurt folks.
I am unlikely to answer any responses to this but I think they know who
they are. One has a silly habit of using highfalutin language and the
other seems to hang on to the first persons coat tails (I was tempted to
write "tales", so appropriate on occasion).
OK then, for what it is worth, maybe all the rest could completely
ignore them, that is one of the few things that works with trolls.
On the other hand just ignore me.
I can't for the life of me think who you are referring to. Nobody here
would be such a Dick or a Jerk would they?
Are they other Tolkein characters, Analindale?
John Bowes
2021-09-14 21:50:39 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 19:24:44 +1200, Ainulindale_world_that_is
Post by Ainulindale_world_that_is
Post by Euripides
I have done some careful research into trolling in nz.general.
I have some expertise in this sort of thing having once been the
moderator of two Usenet groups over a 7 year period until 2017.
There are several folk who post here that can have strong views, some
will stick to those views however hard others argue otherwise. That is
not trolling by any definition I have ever heard of. No, that is
legitimate and open argument and a common human trait.
There is also some mild abuse (by Usenet standards it is pretty mild),
that on its own is also not trolling.
How-some-ever there are two persons who are inclined to bully and who
often join forces against those they both dislike. They seem to get some
satisfaction in doing that. They seem to deliberately take the
conversation down false trails in order to get the most pleasure from
their activities. They also abuse their audience at least as much as
anybody who posts here. That is most definitely trolling.
In my experience people who behave like that do so with full and gleeful
knowledge that they are doing all they can to annoy and even hurt folks.
I am unlikely to answer any responses to this but I think they know who
they are. One has a silly habit of using highfalutin language and the
other seems to hang on to the first persons coat tails (I was tempted to
write "tales", so appropriate on occasion).
OK then, for what it is worth, maybe all the rest could completely
ignore them, that is one of the few things that works with trolls.
On the other hand just ignore me.
I can't for the life of me think who you are referring to. Nobody here
would be such a Dick or a Jerk would they?
Are they other Tolkein characters, Analindale?
You've never been a Tolkien character Rich, or for that matter even a Tolkein character :)
Tony
2021-09-15 00:03:01 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 19:24:44 +1200, Ainulindale_world_that_is
Post by Ainulindale_world_that_is
Post by Euripides
I have done some careful research into trolling in nz.general.
I have some expertise in this sort of thing having once been the
moderator of two Usenet groups over a 7 year period until 2017.
There are several folk who post here that can have strong views, some
will stick to those views however hard others argue otherwise. That is
not trolling by any definition I have ever heard of. No, that is
legitimate and open argument and a common human trait.
There is also some mild abuse (by Usenet standards it is pretty mild),
that on its own is also not trolling.
How-some-ever there are two persons who are inclined to bully and who
often join forces against those they both dislike. They seem to get some
satisfaction in doing that. They seem to deliberately take the
conversation down false trails in order to get the most pleasure from
their activities. They also abuse their audience at least as much as
anybody who posts here. That is most definitely trolling.
In my experience people who behave like that do so with full and gleeful
knowledge that they are doing all they can to annoy and even hurt folks.
I am unlikely to answer any responses to this but I think they know who
they are. One has a silly habit of using highfalutin language and the
other seems to hang on to the first persons coat tails (I was tempted to
write "tales", so appropriate on occasion).
OK then, for what it is worth, maybe all the rest could completely
ignore them, that is one of the few things that works with trolls.
On the other hand just ignore me.
I can't for the life of me think who you are referring to. Nobody here
would be such a Dick or a Jerk would they?
Are they other Tolkein characters, Analindale?
You've never been a Tolkien character Rich, or for that matter even a Tolkein character :)
An entirely different sort of troll.
BR
2021-09-14 17:16:16 UTC
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Post by Euripides
I have done some careful research into trolling in nz.general.
I have some expertise in this sort of thing having once been the
moderator of two Usenet groups over a 7 year period until 2017.
There are several folk who post here that can have strong views, some
will stick to those views however hard others argue otherwise. That is
not trolling by any definition I have ever heard of. No, that is
legitimate and open argument and a common human trait.
There is also some mild abuse (by Usenet standards it is pretty mild),
that on its own is also not trolling.
How-some-ever there are two persons who are inclined to bully and who
often join forces against those they both dislike. They seem to get some
satisfaction in doing that. They seem to deliberately take the
conversation down false trails in order to get the most pleasure from
their activities. They also abuse their audience at least as much as
anybody who posts here. That is most definitely trolling.
In my experience people who behave like that do so with full and gleeful
knowledge that they are doing all they can to annoy and even hurt folks.
I am unlikely to answer any responses to this but I think they know who
they are. One has a silly habit of using highfalutin language and the
other seems to hang on to the first persons coat tails (I was tempted to
write "tales", so appropriate on occasion).
OK then, for what it is worth, maybe all the rest could completely
ignore them, that is one of the few things that works with trolls.
On the other hand just ignore me.
I don't really mind them.

The nonsense that comes from one of them in particular is arguably the
best advertisement for the sort of politician to avoid when voting in
elections.

Bill.
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