We are going off-track . . .

[Rich80105]

https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/how-has-the-new-zealand-economy-been-doing

Poor Nicola Willis - she was totally unprepared to look after
government finances, and had clearly not read economic forecasts and
Treasury advice before she found herself agreeing to reducing
government income and pay-offs to political donors in the coalition
agreements; now she finds that the previous government had done the
right thing in reducing spending in the six months prior to the
election, and had held of an silly promises that would have made our
economic situation worse.

So now we have unemployment rising, productivity falling, and
businesses closing at a rate not seen since the disaster years of
Richardson - and the government is trying to replace police and
medical staff and building industry workers going to Australia with
low income immigrants . . .

[Tony]

Post by Rich80105
https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/how-has-the-new-zealand-economy-been-doing
Poor Nicola Willis - she was totally unprepared to look after
government finances, and had clearly not read economic forecasts and
Treasury advice before she found herself agreeing to reducing
government income and pay-offs to political donors in the coalition
agreements; now she finds that the previous government had done the
right thing in reducing spending in the six months prior to the
election, and had held of an silly promises that would have made our
economic situation worse.

Your sarcasm is offensive.

Post by Rich80105
So now we have unemployment rising, productivity falling, and
businesses closing at a rate not seen since the disaster years of
Richardson - and the government is trying to replace police and
medical staff and building industry workers going to Australia with
low income immigrants . . .

That's what happens when a Labour government fucks the country. We are now
trying to fix that.
We are in fact going back on track. Finally!

[Crash]

Post by Rich80105
https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/how-has-the-new-zealand-economy-been-doing
Poor Nicola Willis - she was totally unprepared to look after
government finances, and had clearly not read economic forecasts and
Treasury advice before she found herself agreeing to reducing
government income and pay-offs to political donors in the coalition
agreements; now she finds that the previous government had done the
right thing in reducing spending in the six months prior to the
election, and had held of an silly promises that would have made our
economic situation worse.

Your sarcasm is worthless and typical of the rhetoric you produce when
you have nothing meaningful to say.

Post by Rich80105
So now we have unemployment rising, productivity falling, and
businesses closing at a rate not seen since the disaster years of
Richardson - and the government is trying to replace police and
medical staff and building industry workers going to Australia with
low income immigrants . . .

You are correct - but you are failing to acknowledge similar
historical references that involve past Labour governments (including
the last one).

The fact is that the current Government is doing exactly what it said
it would. Most if not all its actions come from the two coalition
agreements which in turn reflect pre-election commitments from the 3
parties. This is a most refreshing change compared to the previous
Government.

[Rich80105]

Post by Crash

Post by Rich80105
https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/how-has-the-new-zealand-economy-been-doing
Poor Nicola Willis - she was totally unprepared to look after
government finances, and had clearly not read economic forecasts and
Treasury advice before she found herself agreeing to reducing
government income and pay-offs to political donors in the coalition
agreements; now she finds that the previous government had done the
right thing in reducing spending in the six months prior to the
election, and had held of an silly promises that would have made our
economic situation worse.

Your sarcasm is worthless and typical of the rhetoric you produce when
you have nothing meaningful to say.

Post by Rich80105
So now we have unemployment rising, productivity falling, and
businesses closing at a rate not seen since the disaster years of
Richardson - and the government is trying to replace police and
medical staff and building industry workers going to Australia with
low income immigrants . . .

You are correct - but you are failing to acknowledge similar
historical references that involve past Labour governments (including
the last one).
The fact is that the current Government is doing exactly what it said
it would. Most if not all its actions come from the two coalition
agreements which in turn reflect pre-election commitments from the 3
parties. This is a most refreshing change compared to the previous
Government.

I am glad you said most rather than all - some of the decisions that
have given them most trouble were not in either election commitments
or the coalition agreements - as far as I am aware giving a tobacco
company a reduction in excise of over $200 million was not in either,
but certainly completing the Dunedin Hospital was - why on earth did
they agree to lower tobacco taxes when they could have used the money
in Dunedin?

[Rich80105]

On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 06:47:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony

Post by Rich80105

Post by Crash

Post by Rich80105
https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/how-has-the-new-zealand-economy-been-doing
Poor Nicola Willis - she was totally unprepared to look after
government finances, and had clearly not read economic forecasts and
Treasury advice before she found herself agreeing to reducing
government income and pay-offs to political donors in the coalition
agreements; now she finds that the previous government had done the
right thing in reducing spending in the six months prior to the
election, and had held of an silly promises that would have made our
economic situation worse.

Your sarcasm is worthless and typical of the rhetoric you produce when
you have nothing meaningful to say.

Post by Rich80105
So now we have unemployment rising, productivity falling, and
businesses closing at a rate not seen since the disaster years of
Richardson - and the government is trying to replace police and
medical staff and building industry workers going to Australia with
low income immigrants . . .

You are correct - but you are failing to acknowledge similar
historical references that involve past Labour governments (including
the last one).
The fact is that the current Government is doing exactly what it said
it would. Most if not all its actions come from the two coalition
agreements which in turn reflect pre-election commitments from the 3
parties. This is a most refreshing change compared to the previous
Government.

I am glad you said most rather than all - some of the decisions that
have given them most trouble were not in either election commitments
or the coalition agreements - as far as I am aware giving a tobacco
company a reduction in excise of over $200 million was not in either,
but certainly completing the Dunedin Hospital was - why on earth did
they agree to lower tobacco taxes when they could have used the money
in Dunedin?

The two are not related, obviously. Such things never are with governments.

Of course they are - The NACT1st government are saying that they
cannot afford to do some things they promised - giving away a heap of
money for something they did not promise (at least publicly) are
clearly related in that context.

[Tony]

Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 06:47:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony

Post by Rich80105

Post by Crash

Post by Rich80105
https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/how-has-the-new-zealand-economy-been-doing
Poor Nicola Willis - she was totally unprepared to look after
government finances, and had clearly not read economic forecasts and
Treasury advice before she found herself agreeing to reducing
government income and pay-offs to political donors in the coalition
agreements; now she finds that the previous government had done the
right thing in reducing spending in the six months prior to the
election, and had held of an silly promises that would have made our
economic situation worse.

Your sarcasm is worthless and typical of the rhetoric you produce when
you have nothing meaningful to say.

Post by Rich80105
So now we have unemployment rising, productivity falling, and
businesses closing at a rate not seen since the disaster years of
Richardson - and the government is trying to replace police and
medical staff and building industry workers going to Australia with
low income immigrants . . .

You are correct - but you are failing to acknowledge similar
historical references that involve past Labour governments (including
the last one).
The fact is that the current Government is doing exactly what it said
it would. Most if not all its actions come from the two coalition
agreements which in turn reflect pre-election commitments from the 3
parties. This is a most refreshing change compared to the previous
Government.

I am glad you said most rather than all - some of the decisions that
have given them most trouble were not in either election commitments
or the coalition agreements - as far as I am aware giving a tobacco
company a reduction in excise of over $200 million was not in either,
but certainly completing the Dunedin Hospital was - why on earth did
they agree to lower tobacco taxes when they could have used the money
in Dunedin?

The two are not related, obviously. Such things never are with governments.

Of course they are - The NACT1st government are saying that they
cannot afford to do some things they promised - giving away a heap of
money for something they did not promise (at least publicly) are
clearly related in that context.

Nonsense.
Either can exist in isolation and that is the definition of not related. They
are not related.

[Crash]

Post by Rich80105

Post by Crash

Post by Rich80105
https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/how-has-the-new-zealand-economy-been-doing
Poor Nicola Willis - she was totally unprepared to look after
government finances, and had clearly not read economic forecasts and
Treasury advice before she found herself agreeing to reducing
government income and pay-offs to political donors in the coalition
agreements; now she finds that the previous government had done the
right thing in reducing spending in the six months prior to the
election, and had held of an silly promises that would have made our
economic situation worse.

Your sarcasm is worthless and typical of the rhetoric you produce when
you have nothing meaningful to say.

Post by Rich80105
So now we have unemployment rising, productivity falling, and
businesses closing at a rate not seen since the disaster years of
Richardson - and the government is trying to replace police and
medical staff and building industry workers going to Australia with
low income immigrants . . .

You are correct - but you are failing to acknowledge similar
historical references that involve past Labour governments (including
the last one).
The fact is that the current Government is doing exactly what it said
it would. Most if not all its actions come from the two coalition
agreements which in turn reflect pre-election commitments from the 3
parties. This is a most refreshing change compared to the previous
Government.

I am glad you said most rather than all - some of the decisions that
have given them most trouble were not in either election commitments
or the coalition agreements - as far as I am aware giving a tobacco
company a reduction in excise of over $200 million was not in either,

Cite please.

Post by Rich80105
but certainly completing the Dunedin Hospital was - why on earth did
they agree to lower tobacco taxes when they could have used the money
in Dunedin?

I am not aware of any reduction in commitment to build a new Hospital
in Dunedin. There are cost blowouts and these are being dealt with.

[Gordon]

Post by Crash

Post by Rich80105

Post by Crash

Post by Rich80105
https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/how-has-the-new-zealand-economy-been-doing
Poor Nicola Willis - she was totally unprepared to look after
government finances, and had clearly not read economic forecasts and
Treasury advice before she found herself agreeing to reducing
government income and pay-offs to political donors in the coalition
agreements; now she finds that the previous government had done the
right thing in reducing spending in the six months prior to the
election, and had held of an silly promises that would have made our
economic situation worse.

Your sarcasm is worthless and typical of the rhetoric you produce when
you have nothing meaningful to say.

Post by Rich80105
So now we have unemployment rising, productivity falling, and
businesses closing at a rate not seen since the disaster years of
Richardson - and the government is trying to replace police and
medical staff and building industry workers going to Australia with
low income immigrants . . .

You are correct - but you are failing to acknowledge similar
historical references that involve past Labour governments (including
the last one).
The fact is that the current Government is doing exactly what it said
it would. Most if not all its actions come from the two coalition
agreements which in turn reflect pre-election commitments from the 3
parties. This is a most refreshing change compared to the previous
Government.

I am glad you said most rather than all - some of the decisions that
have given them most trouble were not in either election commitments
or the coalition agreements - as far as I am aware giving a tobacco
company a reduction in excise of over $200 million was not in either,

Cite please.

Post by Rich80105
but certainly completing the Dunedin Hospital was - why on earth did
they agree to lower tobacco taxes when they could have used the money
in Dunedin?

I am not aware of any reduction in commitment to build a new Hospital
in Dunedin. There are cost blowouts and these are being dealt with.

The PM acknowledged that the delay was causing frustation but the budget of
1.9 billion was the limit, no blow outs acceptable.

This is the real world, things do not go as planned.