Discussion:
Cuts to Coastal Mapping project
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Rich80105
2024-07-11 02:46:57 UTC
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-department-scales-back-coastal-mapping-project-fears-climate-planning-and-adaptation-measures-at-risk/FTAKIUNKURDDTHMNAIQCGR4QDU/

It is behind a paywall, but even from the headline you get the idea.
Yet again the government is taking away information that would help
people understand risks relating to environmental factors. Now perhaps
there are a lot of supporters of NAct1st that have coastal properties
they want to sell before they get too affected, and ignorant buyers
are better for getting the best price, but more likely is that this is
just an ideological cut - predicting future problems is not where the
"Right" think government should go - and if it all goes bad then they
can be just as surprised and provide only minimal help.

Money for landlords, not for other people . . .
BR
2024-07-11 05:36:17 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-department-scales-back-coastal-mapping-project-fears-climate-planning-and-adaptation-measures-at-risk/FTAKIUNKURDDTHMNAIQCGR4QDU/
It is behind a paywall, but even from the headline you get the idea.
Yet again the government is taking away information that would help
people understand risks relating to environmental factors.
What environmental factors?
Post by Rich80105
Now perhaps
there are a lot of supporters of NAct1st that have coastal properties
they want to sell before they get too affected,
Affected by what?
Post by Rich80105
and ignorant buyers
are better for getting the best price, but more likely is that this is
just an ideological cut - predicting future problems
What future problems?
Post by Rich80105
is not where the
"Right" think government should go - and if it all goes bad then they
can be just as surprised and provide only minimal help.
What can go bad?
Post by Rich80105
Money for landlords, not for other people . . .
Have you ever been a landlord, Rich80105?

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Tony
2024-07-11 07:26:17 UTC
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Post by BR
Post by Rich80105
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-department-scales-back-coastal-mapping-project-fears-climate-planning-and-adaptation-measures-at-risk/FTAKIUNKURDDTHMNAIQCGR4QDU/
It is behind a paywall, but even from the headline you get the idea.
Yet again the government is taking away information that would help
people understand risks relating to environmental factors.
What environmental factors?
Post by Rich80105
Now perhaps
there are a lot of supporters of NAct1st that have coastal properties
they want to sell before they get too affected,
Affected by what?
Post by Rich80105
and ignorant buyers
are better for getting the best price, but more likely is that this is
just an ideological cut - predicting future problems
What future problems?
Post by Rich80105
is not where the
"Right" think government should go - and if it all goes bad then they
can be just as surprised and provide only minimal help.
What can go bad?
Post by Rich80105
Money for landlords, not for other people . . .
Have you ever been a landlord, Rich80105?
Obviously not. Oh dear, that might generate another lie from him!
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Tony
2024-07-11 07:25:09 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-department-scales-back-coastal-mapping-project-fears-climate-planning-and-adaptation-measures-at-risk/FTAKIUNKURDDTHMNAIQCGR4QDU/
It is behind a paywall, but even from the headline you get the idea.
Yet again the government is taking away information that would help
people understand risks relating to environmental factors. Now perhaps
there are a lot of supporters of NAct1st that have coastal properties
they want to sell before they get too affected, and ignorant buyers
are better for getting the best price, but more likely is that this is
just an ideological cut - predicting future problems is not where the
"Right" think government should go - and if it all goes bad then they
can be just as surprised and provide only minimal help.
The coastal risks are based on zero science. There is no evidence to support
the notion that sea levels are rising other than normal historical cycles. So
let's spend money where it can do good.
Post by Rich80105
Money for landlords, not for other people . . .
Rich80105
2024-07-11 11:31:53 UTC
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On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:25:09 -0000 (UTC), Tony
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-department-scales-back-coastal-mapping-project-fears-climate-planning-and-adaptation-measures-at-risk/FTAKIUNKURDDTHMNAIQCGR4QDU/
It is behind a paywall, but even from the headline you get the idea.
Yet again the government is taking away information that would help
people understand risks relating to environmental factors. Now perhaps
there are a lot of supporters of NAct1st that have coastal properties
they want to sell before they get too affected, and ignorant buyers
are better for getting the best price, but more likely is that this is
just an ideological cut - predicting future problems is not where the
"Right" think government should go - and if it all goes bad then they
can be just as surprised and provide only minimal help.
The coastal risks are based on zero science. There is no evidence to support
the notion that sea levels are rising other than normal historical cycles. So
let's spend money where it can do good.
Post by Rich80105
Money for landlords, not for other people . . .
There are quite a few areas around New Zealand where houses are having
to be moved back from the sea as erosion and storms make it unsafe to
leave them where they are.
Tony
2024-07-11 20:58:27 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:25:09 -0000 (UTC), Tony
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-department-scales-back-coastal-mapping-project-fears-climate-planning-and-adaptation-measures-at-risk/FTAKIUNKURDDTHMNAIQCGR4QDU/
It is behind a paywall, but even from the headline you get the idea.
Yet again the government is taking away information that would help
people understand risks relating to environmental factors. Now perhaps
there are a lot of supporters of NAct1st that have coastal properties
they want to sell before they get too affected, and ignorant buyers
are better for getting the best price, but more likely is that this is
just an ideological cut - predicting future problems is not where the
"Right" think government should go - and if it all goes bad then they
can be just as surprised and provide only minimal help.
The coastal risks are based on zero science. There is no evidence to support
the notion that sea levels are rising other than normal historical cycles. So
let's spend money where it can do good.
Post by Rich80105
Money for landlords, not for other people . . .
There are quite a few areas around New Zealand where houses are having
to be moved back from the sea as erosion and storms make it unsafe to
leave them where they are.
Cite? And only ones that show the cause is climate change and not historical
erosion.
Gordon
2024-07-11 21:41:46 UTC
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Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:25:09 -0000 (UTC), Tony
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-department-scales-back-coastal-mapping-project-fears-climate-planning-and-adaptation-measures-at-risk/FTAKIUNKURDDTHMNAIQCGR4QDU/
It is behind a paywall, but even from the headline you get the idea.
Yet again the government is taking away information that would help
people understand risks relating to environmental factors. Now perhaps
there are a lot of supporters of NAct1st that have coastal properties
they want to sell before they get too affected, and ignorant buyers
are better for getting the best price, but more likely is that this is
just an ideological cut - predicting future problems is not where the
"Right" think government should go - and if it all goes bad then they
can be just as surprised and provide only minimal help.
The coastal risks are based on zero science. There is no evidence to support
the notion that sea levels are rising other than normal historical cycles. So
let's spend money where it can do good.
Post by Rich80105
Money for landlords, not for other people . . .
There are quite a few areas around New Zealand where houses are having
to be moved back from the sea as erosion and storms make it unsafe to
leave them where they are.
Cite? And only ones that show the cause is climate change and not historical
erosion.
There are other parts where the coastline is building up ( not by EQ),
Farwell Spit. Cherry picking is best done in orchards.
Tony
2024-07-11 22:19:51 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:25:09 -0000 (UTC), Tony
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-department-scales-back-coastal-mapping-project-fears-climate-planning-and-adaptation-measures-at-risk/FTAKIUNKURDDTHMNAIQCGR4QDU/
It is behind a paywall, but even from the headline you get the idea.
Yet again the government is taking away information that would help
people understand risks relating to environmental factors. Now perhaps
there are a lot of supporters of NAct1st that have coastal properties
they want to sell before they get too affected, and ignorant buyers
are better for getting the best price, but more likely is that this is
just an ideological cut - predicting future problems is not where the
"Right" think government should go - and if it all goes bad then they
can be just as surprised and provide only minimal help.
The coastal risks are based on zero science. There is no evidence to support
the notion that sea levels are rising other than normal historical cycles. So
let's spend money where it can do good.
Post by Rich80105
Money for landlords, not for other people . . .
There are quite a few areas around New Zealand where houses are having
to be moved back from the sea as erosion and storms make it unsafe to
leave them where they are.
Cite? And only ones that show the cause is climate change and not historical
erosion.
There are other parts where the coastline is building up ( not by EQ),
Farwell Spit. Cherry picking is best done in orchards.
Exactly - there are far too many people earning far too much money making shit
up like Rich does.
There is no climate emergency and no unusual coastal erosion.
I am prepared to change that opinion in the face of scientific evidence, to dat
there is none.
Rich80105
2024-07-11 23:41:48 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:25:09 -0000 (UTC), Tony
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-department-scales-back-coastal-mapping-project-fears-climate-planning-and-adaptation-measures-at-risk/FTAKIUNKURDDTHMNAIQCGR4QDU/
It is behind a paywall, but even from the headline you get the idea.
Yet again the government is taking away information that would help
people understand risks relating to environmental factors. Now perhaps
there are a lot of supporters of NAct1st that have coastal properties
they want to sell before they get too affected, and ignorant buyers
are better for getting the best price, but more likely is that this is
just an ideological cut - predicting future problems is not where the
"Right" think government should go - and if it all goes bad then they
can be just as surprised and provide only minimal help.
The coastal risks are based on zero science. There is no evidence to support
the notion that sea levels are rising other than normal historical cycles. So
let's spend money where it can do good.
Post by Rich80105
Money for landlords, not for other people . . .
There are quite a few areas around New Zealand where houses are having
to be moved back from the sea as erosion and storms make it unsafe to
leave them where they are.
Cite? And only ones that show the cause is climate change and not historical
erosion.
There are other parts where the coastline is building up ( not by EQ),
Farwell Spit. Cherry picking is best done in orchards.
Have a look at the photograph in the article referenced above. Do you
think the owners care why the sea may be threatening their land and
house? Think about the people flooded in Wairoa due to the Bar
closing - do you think they care whether that is happening because of
increased abnormal climate events or other causes? They just want it
fixed, and if scientists can analyse what is happening and assist in
predicting those abnormal events then they would prefer that
information than ''reckons'' on nz.general . . .

Gordon is also correct that different forces will affect different
parts of New Zealand (and the world) in different ways. The coastal
mapping project , and assessing different adaption measures however
appears to be yet another casualty of current government priorities .
. .
Tony
2024-07-12 03:16:09 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by Gordon
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:25:09 -0000 (UTC), Tony
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-department-scales-back-coastal-mapping-project-fears-climate-planning-and-adaptation-measures-at-risk/FTAKIUNKURDDTHMNAIQCGR4QDU/
It is behind a paywall, but even from the headline you get the idea.
Yet again the government is taking away information that would help
people understand risks relating to environmental factors. Now perhaps
there are a lot of supporters of NAct1st that have coastal properties
they want to sell before they get too affected, and ignorant buyers
are better for getting the best price, but more likely is that this is
just an ideological cut - predicting future problems is not where the
"Right" think government should go - and if it all goes bad then they
can be just as surprised and provide only minimal help.
The coastal risks are based on zero science. There is no evidence to support
the notion that sea levels are rising other than normal historical cycles. So
let's spend money where it can do good.
Post by Rich80105
Money for landlords, not for other people . . .
There are quite a few areas around New Zealand where houses are having
to be moved back from the sea as erosion and storms make it unsafe to
leave them where they are.
Cite? And only ones that show the cause is climate change and not historical
erosion.
There are other parts where the coastline is building up ( not by EQ),
Farwell Spit. Cherry picking is best done in orchards.
Have a look at the photograph in the article referenced above. Do you
think the owners care why the sea may be threatening their land and
house? Think about the people flooded in Wairoa due to the Bar
closing - do you think they care whether that is happening because of
increased abnormal climate events or other causes? They just want it
fixed, and if scientists can analyse what is happening and assist in
predicting those abnormal events then they would prefer that
information than ''reckons'' on nz.general . . .
There is no eviodence that these issues are related to the any climate
emergency that you are other fools fantasise about.
Post by Rich80105
Gordon is also correct that different forces will affect different
parts of New Zealand (and the world) in different ways. The coastal
mapping project , and assessing different adaption measures however
appears to be yet another casualty of current government priorities .
. .
Gordon
2024-07-11 21:35:57 UTC
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Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-department-scales-back-coastal-mapping-project-fears-climate-planning-and-adaptation-measures-at-risk/FTAKIUNKURDDTHMNAIQCGR4QDU/
It is behind a paywall, but even from the headline you get the idea.
Yet again the government is taking away information that would help
people understand risks relating to environmental factors. Now perhaps
there are a lot of supporters of NAct1st that have coastal properties
they want to sell before they get too affected, and ignorant buyers
are better for getting the best price, but more likely is that this is
just an ideological cut - predicting future problems is not where the
"Right" think government should go - and if it all goes bad then they
can be just as surprised and provide only minimal help.
The coastal risks are based on zero science. There is no evidence to support
the notion that sea levels are rising other than normal historical cycles. So
let's spend money where it can do good.
In the past the sea levels have been lower and higher than in the present
levels. Often caused by global warming way before 1800.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Money for landlords, not for other people . . .
Without Landlords there will not be any rental properties. Thus you should
be putting the case that the Government offering help for the landlords is a
good idea as it will reduce rentals.
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