Discussion:
Helens attitude points to instability, some sort of breakdown.
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sidproquo
2005-09-03 21:08:59 UTC
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The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.

One presumes her statements that Don Brash arranged a crowd of anti gay
thugs to hassle and heckle her because of her alleged sexual
preferences have been reported correctly.

If that is the case then the lady is guilty of the worst type of gutter
politics and false accusation that I have ever heard being made by a
political leader during my long life.

We listened very closely to the debate to which she refers, and yes the
audience was noisy and exuberant, but no one I was with heard streams
of sexual abuse or insult directed at either leader.

If this is the genuine opinion held by the PM, and if she has been
accurately reported over this issue, then indeed it may be that the
strain of this campaign has overwhelmed her and she should withdraw at
once and seek professional help.

Both out of fairness to herself, the country, and the political party
that she represents, for this, coupled with other recent incidents,
including the overreaction with the pilot etc, displays a worring and
disturbing trend.
Acid
2005-09-03 21:15:20 UTC
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"sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
> highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
> worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
>
> One presumes her statements that Don Brash arranged a crowd of anti gay
> thugs to hassle and heckle her because of her alleged sexual
> preferences have been reported correctly.
>
> If that is the case then the lady is guilty of the worst type of gutter
> politics and false accusation that I have ever heard being made by a
> political leader during my long life.
>
> We listened very closely to the debate to which she refers, and yes the
> audience was noisy and exuberant, but no one I was with heard streams
> of sexual abuse or insult directed at either leader.
>
> If this is the genuine opinion held by the PM, and if she has been
> accurately reported over this issue, then indeed it may be that the
> strain of this campaign has overwhelmed her and she should withdraw at
> once and seek professional help.
>
> Both out of fairness to herself, the country, and the political party
> that she represents, for this, coupled with other recent incidents,
> including the overreaction with the pilot etc, displays a worring and
> disturbing trend.
>

More signs her stress levels are getting higher and higher as she now knows
she is going to be arsed out of the Beehive on Sept 17.

Jeez not even Sainsbury heard what she is alleging was said..
geopelia
2005-09-03 21:50:51 UTC
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"Acid" <***@theright123.co.nz> wrote in message
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>
> "sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
> > highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
> > worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
> >
> > One presumes her statements that Don Brash arranged a crowd of anti gay
> > thugs to hassle and heckle her because of her alleged sexual
> > preferences have been reported correctly.
> >
> > If that is the case then the lady is guilty of the worst type of gutter
> > politics and false accusation that I have ever heard being made by a
> > political leader during my long life.
> >
> > We listened very closely to the debate to which she refers, and yes the
> > audience was noisy and exuberant, but no one I was with heard streams
> > of sexual abuse or insult directed at either leader.
> >
> > If this is the genuine opinion held by the PM, and if she has been
> > accurately reported over this issue, then indeed it may be that the
> > strain of this campaign has overwhelmed her and she should withdraw at
> > once and seek professional help.
> >
> > Both out of fairness to herself, the country, and the political party
> > that she represents, for this, coupled with other recent incidents,
> > including the overreaction with the pilot etc, displays a worring and
> > disturbing trend.
> >
>
> More signs her stress levels are getting higher and higher as she now
knows
> she is going to be arsed out of the Beehive on Sept 17.
>
> Jeez not even Sainsbury heard what she is alleging was said..
>
Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable married woman. No
dirty insults please!
sidproquo
2005-09-03 21:53:29 UTC
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geopelia wrote:
> "Acid" <***@theright123.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:GnoSe.8367$***@news.xtra.co.nz...
> >
> > "sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > > The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
> > > highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
> > > worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
> > >
> > > One presumes her statements that Don Brash arranged a crowd of anti gay
> > > thugs to hassle and heckle her because of her alleged sexual
> > > preferences have been reported correctly.
> > >
> > > If that is the case then the lady is guilty of the worst type of gutter
> > > politics and false accusation that I have ever heard being made by a
> > > political leader during my long life.
> > >
> > > We listened very closely to the debate to which she refers, and yes the
> > > audience was noisy and exuberant, but no one I was with heard streams
> > > of sexual abuse or insult directed at either leader.
> > >
> > > If this is the genuine opinion held by the PM, and if she has been
> > > accurately reported over this issue, then indeed it may be that the
> > > strain of this campaign has overwhelmed her and she should withdraw at
> > > once and seek professional help.
> > >
> > > Both out of fairness to herself, the country, and the political party
> > > that she represents, for this, coupled with other recent incidents,
> > > including the overreaction with the pilot etc, displays a worring and
> > > disturbing trend.
> > >
> >
> > More signs her stress levels are getting higher and higher as she now
> knows
> > she is going to be arsed out of the Beehive on Sept 17.
> >
> > Jeez not even Sainsbury heard what she is alleging was said..
> >
> Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable married woman. No
> dirty insults please!

No one except herself has suggested otherwise, remember Helen is the
one raising this issue, and Helen alone.

Hence one is left wondering if the poor women is not in the throes of a
nervous breakdown.
John B
2005-09-04 01:03:55 UTC
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sidproquo wrote:

>> Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable
married
>> woman. No dirty insults please!
>
> No one except herself has suggested otherwise, remember Helen
is the
> one raising this issue, and Helen alone.
>
> Hence one is left wondering if the poor women is not in the
throes of
> a nervous breakdown.

Of course she is. The strain of having to reign in her absolute
loathing and hatred of Don Brash has been apparent since their
first Holmes interview/debate a year or two ago.

I predicted then that she was shit scared of Brash.

She has since shown via various means... mouth twitching
uncontrollably, mouth drooping in a hateful grimace, eyes
flashing hatred, horrible hysterical yelling, lies, innuendos etc
etc... all aimed at Brash.

She is fucked in the head.

I hope she falls apart before the election is over and people can
see her for what she really is. A freak... a power-mad
power-hungry freak. Interested only in keeping power for herself
so she can unleash her grand socialist plan on all NZ'rs. Her
plan of hatred, distrust, misery, pain and suffering.

She truly is a repellant disgusting excuse for a human being.
Never had a real job in her life. Never had children. Yet she
professes to know what's best for all NZ'rs. How bloody
preposterous is that?
dersu
2005-09-04 05:52:47 UTC
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"John B" <***@myplace.com> wrote in message news:431a478e$***@clear.net.nz...
>
> I hope she falls apart before the election is over and people can
> see her for what she really is. A freak... a power-mad
> power-hungry freak. Interested only in keeping power for herself
> so she can unleash her grand socialist plan on all NZ'rs. Her
> plan of hatred, distrust, misery, pain and suffering.
>
> She truly is a repellant disgusting excuse for a human being.
> Never had a real job in her life. Never had children. Yet she
> professes to know what's best for all NZ'rs. How bloody
> preposterous is that?
>

Quite so. I take it that, like me, you shudder at the prospect of NZ
becoming a republic and Ms. Klark standing for President!??

D.
John B
2005-09-04 09:47:48 UTC
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dersu wrote:
> "John B" <***@myplace.com> wrote in message
> news:431a478e$***@clear.net.nz...
>>
>> I hope she falls apart before the election is over and people
can
>> see her for what she really is. A freak... a power-mad
>> power-hungry freak. Interested only in keeping power for
herself
>> so she can unleash her grand socialist plan on all NZ'rs. Her
>> plan of hatred, distrust, misery, pain and suffering.
>>
>> She truly is a repellant disgusting excuse for a human being.
>> Never had a real job in her life. Never had children. Yet she
>> professes to know what's best for all NZ'rs. How bloody
>> preposterous is that?
>>
>
> Quite so. I take it that, like me, you shudder at the prospect
of NZ
> becoming a republic and Ms. Klark standing for President!??
>
> D.

No. I can't get past shuddering at what she is at present. Yuk.
Acid
2005-09-03 22:41:44 UTC
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"geopelia" <***@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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>
> "Acid" <***@theright123.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:GnoSe.8367$***@news.xtra.co.nz...
>>
>> "sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>> > The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
>> > highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
>> > worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
>> >
>> > One presumes her statements that Don Brash arranged a crowd of anti gay
>> > thugs to hassle and heckle her because of her alleged sexual
>> > preferences have been reported correctly.
>> >
>> > If that is the case then the lady is guilty of the worst type of gutter
>> > politics and false accusation that I have ever heard being made by a
>> > political leader during my long life.
>> >
>> > We listened very closely to the debate to which she refers, and yes the
>> > audience was noisy and exuberant, but no one I was with heard streams
>> > of sexual abuse or insult directed at either leader.
>> >
>> > If this is the genuine opinion held by the PM, and if she has been
>> > accurately reported over this issue, then indeed it may be that the
>> > strain of this campaign has overwhelmed her and she should withdraw at
>> > once and seek professional help.
>> >
>> > Both out of fairness to herself, the country, and the political party
>> > that she represents, for this, coupled with other recent incidents,
>> > including the overreaction with the pilot etc, displays a worring and
>> > disturbing trend.
>> >
>>
>> More signs her stress levels are getting higher and higher as she now
> knows
>> she is going to be arsed out of the Beehive on Sept 17.
>>
>> Jeez not even Sainsbury heard what she is alleging was said..
>>
> Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable married woman.
> No
> dirty insults please!
>
Huh??
E. Scrooge
2005-09-03 22:56:56 UTC
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"geopelia" <***@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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>
> "Acid" <***@theright123.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:GnoSe.8367$***@news.xtra.co.nz...
> >
> > "sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > > The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
> > > highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
> > > worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
> > >
> > > One presumes her statements that Don Brash arranged a crowd of anti
gay
> > > thugs to hassle and heckle her because of her alleged sexual
> > > preferences have been reported correctly.
> > >
> > > If that is the case then the lady is guilty of the worst type of
gutter
> > > politics and false accusation that I have ever heard being made by a
> > > political leader during my long life.
> > >
> > > We listened very closely to the debate to which she refers, and yes
the
> > > audience was noisy and exuberant, but no one I was with heard streams
> > > of sexual abuse or insult directed at either leader.
> > >
> > > If this is the genuine opinion held by the PM, and if she has been
> > > accurately reported over this issue, then indeed it may be that the
> > > strain of this campaign has overwhelmed her and she should withdraw at
> > > once and seek professional help.
> > >
> > > Both out of fairness to herself, the country, and the political party
> > > that she represents, for this, coupled with other recent incidents,
> > > including the overreaction with the pilot etc, displays a worring and
> > > disturbing trend.
> > >
> >
> > More signs her stress levels are getting higher and higher as she now
> knows
> > she is going to be arsed out of the Beehive on Sept 17.
> >
> > Jeez not even Sainsbury heard what she is alleging was said..
> >
> Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable married woman.
No
> dirty insults please!

Helen Clark owes Don Brash an apology. She's a professional... a
professional arrogant liar.

E. Scrooge
BrentC
2005-09-03 23:08:11 UTC
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On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:50:51 +1200, "geopelia" <***@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:

>
>"Acid" <***@theright123.co.nz> wrote in message
>news:GnoSe.8367$***@news.xtra.co.nz...
>>
>> "sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>> > The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
>> > highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
>> > worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
>> >
>> > One presumes her statements that Don Brash arranged a crowd of anti gay
>> > thugs to hassle and heckle her because of her alleged sexual
>> > preferences have been reported correctly.
>> >
>> > If that is the case then the lady is guilty of the worst type of gutter
>> > politics and false accusation that I have ever heard being made by a
>> > political leader during my long life.
>> >
>> > We listened very closely to the debate to which she refers, and yes the
>> > audience was noisy and exuberant, but no one I was with heard streams
>> > of sexual abuse or insult directed at either leader.
>> >
>> > If this is the genuine opinion held by the PM, and if she has been
>> > accurately reported over this issue, then indeed it may be that the
>> > strain of this campaign has overwhelmed her and she should withdraw at
>> > once and seek professional help.
>> >
>> > Both out of fairness to herself, the country, and the political party
>> > that she represents, for this, coupled with other recent incidents,
>> > including the overreaction with the pilot etc, displays a worring and
>> > disturbing trend.
>> >
>>
>> More signs her stress levels are getting higher and higher as she now
>knows
>> she is going to be arsed out of the Beehive on Sept 17.
>>
>> Jeez not even Sainsbury heard what she is alleging was said..
>>
>Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable married woman. No
>dirty insults please!
>



What a lie - a sham marriage of her own making and admitted to in an
interview.
thingy
2005-09-04 00:09:26 UTC
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BrentC wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:50:51 +1200, "geopelia" <***@xtra.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
>
>>"Acid" <***@theright123.co.nz> wrote in message
>>news:GnoSe.8367$***@news.xtra.co.nz...
>>
>>>"sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>>The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
>>>>highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
>>>>worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
>>>>
>>>>One presumes her statements that Don Brash arranged a crowd of anti gay
>>>>thugs to hassle and heckle her because of her alleged sexual
>>>>preferences have been reported correctly.
>>>>
>>>>If that is the case then the lady is guilty of the worst type of gutter
>>>>politics and false accusation that I have ever heard being made by a
>>>>political leader during my long life.
>>>>
>>>>We listened very closely to the debate to which she refers, and yes the
>>>>audience was noisy and exuberant, but no one I was with heard streams
>>>>of sexual abuse or insult directed at either leader.
>>>>
>>>>If this is the genuine opinion held by the PM, and if she has been
>>>>accurately reported over this issue, then indeed it may be that the
>>>>strain of this campaign has overwhelmed her and she should withdraw at
>>>>once and seek professional help.
>>>>
>>>>Both out of fairness to herself, the country, and the political party
>>>>that she represents, for this, coupled with other recent incidents,
>>>>including the overreaction with the pilot etc, displays a worring and
>>>>disturbing trend.
>>>>
>>>
>>>More signs her stress levels are getting higher and higher as she now
>>
>>knows
>>
>>>she is going to be arsed out of the Beehive on Sept 17.
>>>
>>>Jeez not even Sainsbury heard what she is alleging was said..
>>>
>>
>>Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable married woman. No
>>dirty insults please!
>>
>
>
>
>
> What a lie - a sham marriage of her own making and admitted to in an
> interview.
>
>

proof?

Even if it was, and I have seen nothing to prove it is, it is not
relevent to politics.

Neither is the fact that she is childless.
regards

Thing
BrentC
2005-09-04 00:17:50 UTC
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:09:26 +1200, thingy <***@nothere.commy>
wrote:

>BrentC wrote:
>> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:50:51 +1200, "geopelia" <***@xtra.co.nz>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Acid" <***@theright123.co.nz> wrote in message
>>>news:GnoSe.8367$***@news.xtra.co.nz...
>>>
>>>>"sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>>The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
>>>>>highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
>>>>>worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
>>>>>
>>>>>One presumes her statements that Don Brash arranged a crowd of anti gay
>>>>>thugs to hassle and heckle her because of her alleged sexual
>>>>>preferences have been reported correctly.
>>>>>
>>>>>If that is the case then the lady is guilty of the worst type of gutter
>>>>>politics and false accusation that I have ever heard being made by a
>>>>>political leader during my long life.
>>>>>
>>>>>We listened very closely to the debate to which she refers, and yes the
>>>>>audience was noisy and exuberant, but no one I was with heard streams
>>>>>of sexual abuse or insult directed at either leader.
>>>>>
>>>>>If this is the genuine opinion held by the PM, and if she has been
>>>>>accurately reported over this issue, then indeed it may be that the
>>>>>strain of this campaign has overwhelmed her and she should withdraw at
>>>>>once and seek professional help.
>>>>>
>>>>>Both out of fairness to herself, the country, and the political party
>>>>>that she represents, for this, coupled with other recent incidents,
>>>>>including the overreaction with the pilot etc, displays a worring and
>>>>>disturbing trend.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>More signs her stress levels are getting higher and higher as she now
>>>
>>>knows
>>>
>>>>she is going to be arsed out of the Beehive on Sept 17.
>>>>
>>>>Jeez not even Sainsbury heard what she is alleging was said..
>>>>
>>>
>>>Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable married woman. No
>>>dirty insults please!
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What a lie - a sham marriage of her own making and admitted to in an
>> interview.
>>
>>
>
>proof?
>
>Even if it was, and I have seen nothing to prove it is, it is not
>relevent to politics.
>
>Neither is the fact that she is childless.
>regards
>
>Thing
>
>
>


Keh - where have you been - this is old old news

She is childless as a favour to humanity plus who the hell would to
......................
John B
2005-09-04 01:07:46 UTC
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thingy wrote:

>> What a lie - a sham marriage of her own making and admitted to
in an
>> interview.
>>
>>
>
> proof?
>
> Even if it was, and I have seen nothing to prove it is, it is
not
> relevent to politics.

> Thing

It is true. She herself said she only got married because of
political reasons. She couldn't become a politician if she lived
in sin. She got married to advance her political career. That was
the3 sole reason for her marriage.

Talk about a hypocrite!
geopelia
2005-09-04 02:57:39 UTC
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"thingy" <***@nothere.commy> wrote in message
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> BrentC wrote:
> > On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:50:51 +1200, "geopelia" <***@xtra.co.nz>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>"Acid" <***@theright123.co.nz> wrote in message
> >>news:GnoSe.8367$***@news.xtra.co.nz...
> >>
> >>>"sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> >>>
> >>>>The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
> >>>>highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
> >>>>worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
> >>>>
> >>>>One presumes her statements that Don Brash arranged a crowd of anti
gay
> >>>>thugs to hassle and heckle her because of her alleged sexual
> >>>>preferences have been reported correctly.
> >>>>
> >>>>If that is the case then the lady is guilty of the worst type of
gutter
> >>>>politics and false accusation that I have ever heard being made by a
> >>>>political leader during my long life.
> >>>>
> >>>>We listened very closely to the debate to which she refers, and yes
the
> >>>>audience was noisy and exuberant, but no one I was with heard streams
> >>>>of sexual abuse or insult directed at either leader.
> >>>>
> >>>>If this is the genuine opinion held by the PM, and if she has been
> >>>>accurately reported over this issue, then indeed it may be that the
> >>>>strain of this campaign has overwhelmed her and she should withdraw at
> >>>>once and seek professional help.
> >>>>
> >>>>Both out of fairness to herself, the country, and the political party
> >>>>that she represents, for this, coupled with other recent incidents,
> >>>>including the overreaction with the pilot etc, displays a worring and
> >>>>disturbing trend.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>More signs her stress levels are getting higher and higher as she now
> >>
> >>knows
> >>
> >>>she is going to be arsed out of the Beehive on Sept 17.
> >>>
> >>>Jeez not even Sainsbury heard what she is alleging was said..
> >>>
> >>
> >>Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable married
woman. No
> >>dirty insults please!
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What a lie - a sham marriage of her own making and admitted to in an
> > interview.
> >
> >
>
> proof?
>
> Even if it was, and I have seen nothing to prove it is, it is not
> relevent to politics.
>
> Neither is the fact that she is childless.
> regards
>
> Thing
>
>
It's people's own business how they conduct their married lives. Many
couples prefer to stay childless today.
A traditional church wedding might be a bit hypocritical (though if the wife
was past childbearing, one prayer used to be omitted from the service) but
there is always the Registry Office.
And today there is a Civil Union, if they prefer that.

If the country ever has a serious crisis, I for one would prefer the person
in charge to be childless and able to concentrate on the job without family
worries.
sidproquo
2005-09-04 03:14:37 UTC
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geopelia wrote:
> "thingy" <***@nothere.commy> wrote in message
> news:khqpu2-***@katrina.thing.dyndns.org...
> > BrentC wrote:
> > > On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:50:51 +1200, "geopelia" <***@xtra.co.nz>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>"Acid" <***@theright123.co.nz> wrote in message
> > >>news:GnoSe.8367$***@news.xtra.co.nz...
> > >>
> > >>>"sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >>>news:***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > >>>
> > >>>>The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
> > >>>>highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
> > >>>>worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>One presumes her statements that Don Brash arranged a crowd of anti
> gay
> > >>>>thugs to hassle and heckle her because of her alleged sexual
> > >>>>preferences have been reported correctly.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>If that is the case then the lady is guilty of the worst type of
> gutter
> > >>>>politics and false accusation that I have ever heard being made by a
> > >>>>political leader during my long life.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>We listened very closely to the debate to which she refers, and yes
> the
> > >>>>audience was noisy and exuberant, but no one I was with heard streams
> > >>>>of sexual abuse or insult directed at either leader.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>If this is the genuine opinion held by the PM, and if she has been
> > >>>>accurately reported over this issue, then indeed it may be that the
> > >>>>strain of this campaign has overwhelmed her and she should withdraw at
> > >>>>once and seek professional help.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Both out of fairness to herself, the country, and the political party
> > >>>>that she represents, for this, coupled with other recent incidents,
> > >>>>including the overreaction with the pilot etc, displays a worring and
> > >>>>disturbing trend.
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>More signs her stress levels are getting higher and higher as she now
> > >>
> > >>knows
> > >>
> > >>>she is going to be arsed out of the Beehive on Sept 17.
> > >>>
> > >>>Jeez not even Sainsbury heard what she is alleging was said..
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable married
> woman. No
> > >>dirty insults please!
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What a lie - a sham marriage of her own making and admitted to in an
> > > interview.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > proof?
> >
> > Even if it was, and I have seen nothing to prove it is, it is not
> > relevent to politics.
> >
> > Neither is the fact that she is childless.
> > regards
> >
> > Thing
> >
> >
> It's people's own business how they conduct their married lives. Many
> couples prefer to stay childless today.
> A traditional church wedding might be a bit hypocritical (though if the wife
> was past childbearing, one prayer used to be omitted from the service) but
> there is always the Registry Office.
> And today there is a Civil Union, if they prefer that.
>
> If the country ever has a serious crisis, I for one would prefer the person
> in charge to be childless and able to concentrate on the job without family
> worries.

Might I remind you that this issue is not about Helens sexual
preferences, but about the ridiculous claims the woman made about Brash
arriving at the studio with hordes of slathering anti gay protesters,
who's sole purpose was to shout anti gay insults and expletives at the
PM.

We have all seen and heard the leaders debate, and every one including
the shows producers concede that the claims made are a nonsense.

So Im sorry, but much as some of you more fanatical Helen clones may
try to justify her vitriol, this issue that she has seized on is just
hysterical rubbish, and by trying desperately to justify her actions
you look as silly and irrational as she does.
Mike Parsons
2005-09-04 07:56:41 UTC
Permalink
sidproquo wrote:
> Might I remind you that this issue is not about Helens sexual
> preferences, but about the ridiculous claims the woman made about Brash
> arriving at the studio with hordes of slathering anti gay protesters,
> who's sole purpose was to shout anti gay insults and expletives at the
> PM.

Nothing in the SST story says that, so you must either:
(1) have yo9ur information from somewhere else, in which case, please
cite, or
(2) be lying.

Which is it.
b***@orcon.net.nz
2005-09-04 08:01:08 UTC
Permalink
Kannonball Klark is distracted these days by the new, to her, game of
sodomy. See real live actual webcam footage of her taking brown cock up
her sloppy leaking ass at http://bonspiel.orcon.net.nz - so she DOES do
sex with men. Plus some poetry she claims to have written.
geopelia
2005-09-04 11:46:27 UTC
Permalink
<***@orcon.net.nz> wrote in message
news:***@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Kannonball Klark is distracted these days by the new, to her, game of
> sodomy. See real live actual webcam footage of her taking brown cock up
> her sloppy leaking ass at http://bonspiel.orcon.net.nz - so she DOES do
> sex with men. Plus some poetry she claims to have written.
>

Some clown keeps posting that website. I'm not going to look at it, it is
probably some new virus.
dersu
2005-09-04 05:57:03 UTC
Permalink
"sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> Might I remind you that this issue is not about Helens sexual
> preferences, but about the ridiculous claims the woman made about Brash
> arriving at the studio with hordes of slathering anti gay protesters,
> who's sole purpose was to shout anti gay insults and expletives at the
> PM.
>

Put quite simply Don Brash would not do that, he is a gentleman and not
really a politician. Both of which facts tend to make me think he will be a
good and decent leader of this country.

D.
John B
2005-09-04 09:49:27 UTC
Permalink
dersu wrote:
> "sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> Might I remind you that this issue is not about Helens sexual
>> preferences, but about the ridiculous claims the woman made
about
>> Brash arriving at the studio with hordes of slathering anti
gay
>> protesters, who's sole purpose was to shout anti gay insults
and
>> expletives at the PM.
>>
>
> Put quite simply Don Brash would not do that, he is a gentleman
and
> not really a politician. Both of which facts tend to make me
think he
> will be a good and decent leader of this country.
>
> D.

Hardly need a leader of "this country" as you put it.

I am my own leader. And what mentors I have, well, I'll choose
them thanks.
John B
2005-09-04 01:05:31 UTC
Permalink
BrentC wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:50:51 +1200, "geopelia"
<***@xtra.co.nz>
> wrote:

>> Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable
married
>> woman. No dirty insults please!
>>
>
>
>
> What a lie - a sham marriage of her own making and admitted to
in an
> interview.

Quite true. She only married for political expendiency. She
admitted it herself.

She's a dyke FFS!
Rudy Canoza
2005-09-04 01:22:06 UTC
Permalink
John B wrote:
>
> BrentC wrote:
> > On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:50:51 +1200, "geopelia"
> <***@xtra.co.nz>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable
> married
> >> woman. No dirty insults please!
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > What a lie - a sham marriage of her own making and admitted to
> in an
> > interview.
>
> Quite true. She only married for political expendiency. She
> admitted it herself.
>
> She's a dyke FFS!

I don't think she is. I think she's probably asexual. Such people exist and
for various reasons. e.g. people have varying interest in sex - some very
little or even none, others simply choose to live free from the
benefits/liabilities that it entails. I would guess she's the former.
Tilly
2005-09-04 04:17:01 UTC
Permalink
Rudy Canoza wrote:

> John B wrote:
> I don't think she is. I think she's probably asexual. Such people
> exist and for various reasons. e.g. people have varying interest in
> sex - some very little or even none, others simply choose to live
> free from the benefits/liabilities that it entails. I would guess
> she's the former.


Yes and it's nobodys business.
It is people who oppose her who have made it an issue.


--
***@hotmail.com
John B
2005-09-04 04:49:16 UTC
Permalink
Tilly wrote:
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
>> John B wrote:
>> I don't think she is. I think she's probably asexual. Such
people
>> exist and for various reasons. e.g. people have varying
interest in
>> sex - some very little or even none, others simply choose to
live
>> free from the benefits/liabilities that it entails. I would
guess
>> she's the former.

I never wrote that!

> Yes and it's nobodys business.
> It is people who oppose her who have made it an issue.

If people want to make it an issue, then that's *their* business,
Tilly. Besides, Clark makes everyone's lives a issue, so she can
get fucked. What's good for her is good for everyone else.
Tilly
2005-09-04 05:38:47 UTC
Permalink
John B wrote:
> If people want to make it an issue, then that's *their* business,
> Tilly. Besides, Clark makes everyone's lives a issue, so she can
> get fucked. What's good for her is good for everyone else.

I strongly suggest you don't go into politics then.


--
***@hotmail.com
John B
2005-09-04 06:21:49 UTC
Permalink
Tilly wrote:
> John B wrote:
>> If people want to make it an issue, then that's *their*
business,
>> Tilly. Besides, Clark makes everyone's lives a issue, so she
can
>> get fucked. What's good for her is good for everyone else.
>
> I strongly suggest you don't go into politics then.

Strongly? What does that mean FFS?

Anyway, why would I want to go into politics? I have no desire to
be a dictator to anyone. Besides, I'm busy enough solving my own
problems without pretending I know what's best for everyone else.
I'd rather let them decide that for themselves.
Alastair .geek.nz
2005-09-04 06:25:33 UTC
Permalink
In <431a7c61$***@clear.net.nz> John B wrote:

> Tilly wrote:

>> Yes and it's nobodys business.
>> It is people who oppose her who have made it an issue.

> If people want to make it an issue, then that's *their* business,
> Tilly. Besides, Clark makes everyone's lives a issue, so she can
> get fucked. What's good for her is good for everyone else.

When was the last time Helen made comments and judgements about your sex
life, John?

--
Regards, Alastair.
Wellington, New Zealand
www.alastair.geek.nz

My supplied email address is fake. Any views expressed in this posting
are personal and its content remains the property of Alastair. Alastair
accepts no responsibility for any misinformation resulting from this
posting.
John B
2005-09-04 06:36:34 UTC
Permalink
Alastair .geek.nz wrote:

> When was the last time Helen made comments and judgements about
your
> sex life, John?

What? When have I commented about or made judgements on Herr
Klark's sex life?

What's wrong with you? Another lost-the-plot-bloody mystic
leftist. LOL
sidproquo
2005-09-04 06:48:40 UTC
Permalink
John B wrote:
> Alastair .geek.nz wrote:
>
> > When was the last time Helen made comments and judgements about
> your
> > sex life, John?
>
> What? When have I commented about or made judgements on Herr
> Klark's sex life?
>
> What's wrong with you? Another lost-the-plot-bloody mystic
> leftist. LOL


It is so cute the way these Labour sycophants try to twist these posts
and ignore the irrational and hysterical outbursts by Clark who accused
Brash of engineering a rent-a-mob of anti gay rednecks to heckle her at
the televised leaders debate.

Something that has proved beyond doubt to be a total exaggeration and
fabrication , not that honesty is of any great concern to the left.
John B
2005-09-04 06:56:40 UTC
Permalink
sidproquo wrote:
> John B wrote:
>> Alastair .geek.nz wrote:
>>
>>> When was the last time Helen made comments and judgements
about your
>>> sex life, John?
>>
>> What? When have I commented about or made judgements on Herr
>> Klark's sex life?
>>
>> What's wrong with you? Another lost-the-plot-bloody mystic
>> leftist. LOL
>
>
> It is so cute the way these Labour sycophants try to twist
these posts
> and ignore the irrational and hysterical outbursts by Clark who
> accused Brash of engineering a rent-a-mob of anti gay rednecks
to
> heckle her at the televised leaders debate.
>
> Something that has proved beyond doubt to be a total
exaggeration and
> fabrication , not that honesty is of any great concern to the
left.

ROTFLOL
Rob J
2005-09-04 07:00:38 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 16:17:01 +1200, "Tilly"
<***@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:

>Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
>> John B wrote:
>> I don't think she is. I think she's probably asexual. Such people
>> exist and for various reasons. e.g. people have varying interest in
>> sex - some very little or even none, others simply choose to live
>> free from the benefits/liabilities that it entails. I would guess
>> she's the former.
>
>
>Yes and it's nobodys business.
>It is people who oppose her who have made it an issue.

The issue is, Labour is the most anti-family administration we have
had in a long time. Helen leads a whole cabal of anti-family
ministers.

Doha declaration on the family - opposed by NZ and Canada. NZ proposes
amendment after amendment. Because Labour wholly opposes the
traditional definition of families that has served us well for so many
years.
Mike Parsons
2005-09-04 08:03:48 UTC
Permalink
Rob J wrote:
> The issue is, Labour is the most anti-family administration we have
> had in a long time. Helen leads a whole cabal of anti-family
> ministers.

Huh? How so?

> Doha declaration on the family - opposed by NZ and Canada. NZ proposes
> amendment after amendment. Because Labour wholly opposes the
> traditional definition of families that has served us well for so many
> years.

Wrong. Doesn't wholly oppose the traditional definition. Embraces it, in
fact. but also says there are other types of family apart from only the
'traditional' nuclear family (which is a construct of capitalistic
societies, anyway).
Kerry
2005-09-04 12:13:52 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@4ax.com>,
Rob J <***@nospam.nospam> wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 16:17:01 +1200, "Tilly"
> <***@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
>
> >Rudy Canoza wrote:
> >
> >> John B wrote:
> >> I don't think she is. I think she's probably asexual. Such people
> >> exist and for various reasons. e.g. people have varying interest in
> >> sex - some very little or even none, others simply choose to live
> >> free from the benefits/liabilities that it entails. I would guess
> >> she's the former.
> >
> >
> >Yes and it's nobodys business.
> >It is people who oppose her who have made it an issue.
>
> The issue is, Labour is the most anti-family administration we have
> had in a long time. Helen leads a whole cabal of anti-family
> ministers.
>
> Doha declaration on the family - opposed by NZ and Canada. NZ proposes
> amendment after amendment. Because Labour wholly opposes the
> traditional definition of families that has served us well for so many
> years.

Rubbish. Opposed by the EU, Norway, Switzerland, Canada, Australia,
Iceland, Liechtenstein and New Zealand -who all dissociated themselves
from the limited view of what constitutes 'family' under the
declaration. Dominated by the cabal of fundamintalist Islamd, those
countries dissociated Qatar's resolution making 'family mean only a man
and a woman and thei children. There are many more flavours of families
than that.

Labour, and NZ, seek to protect families by seeing all families seen as
valid and worthy, not just those who fill a certain narrow criteria, out
of step to many in todays world

--
Having problems getting an appointment with your GP? Simply make an
appointment in advance for every day of your life, and if you feel well that
day just ring up to cancel.
Bobs
2005-09-04 07:16:28 UTC
Permalink
Tilly wrote:
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
>
>>John B wrote:
>>I don't think she is. I think she's probably asexual. Such people
>>exist and for various reasons. e.g. people have varying interest in
>>sex - some very little or even none, others simply choose to live
>>free from the benefits/liabilities that it entails. I would guess
>>she's the former.
>
>
>
> Yes and it's nobodys business.
> It is people who oppose her who have made it an issue.
>
>


Let's be honest, Tilly. It's highly likely that Clarke is a rug muncher.
So it DOES bring into question her understanding of things such as
family values when she most likely knows nothing about men and families
in general.

Would you want a minge minion preaching to you about parenthood? I think
it's starting to catch up with her now. She's an ice queen, and probably
a gay one at that. Brash, for all his other faults, does at least appear
human.
Tilly
2005-09-04 11:26:50 UTC
Permalink
Bobs wrote:
> Let's be honest, Tilly. It's highly likely that Clarke is a rug
> muncher. So it DOES bring into question her understanding of things
> such as family values when she most likely knows nothing about men
> and families in general.
>
> Would you want a minge minion preaching to you about parenthood? I
> think it's starting to catch up with her now. She's an ice queen, and
> probably a gay one at that. Brash, for all his other faults, does at
> least appear human.


ROFL.

No matter what rubbish you come up with you still make me laugh.
It's why I'll always love ya Bobs!


--
***@hotmail.com
BrentC
2005-09-04 03:36:49 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:05:31 +1200, "John B" <***@myplace.com> wrote:

>BrentC wrote:
>> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:50:51 +1200, "geopelia"
><***@xtra.co.nz>
>> wrote:
>
>>> Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable
>married
>>> woman. No dirty insults please!
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What a lie - a sham marriage of her own making and admitted to
>in an
>> interview.
>
>Quite true. She only married for political expendiency. She
>admitted it herself.
>
>She's a dyke FFS!
>
>


I don't really care - as long as I don't have to view the video when
being re-educated.

However, it's constant denial is having an effect on IT's personality
John B
2005-09-04 04:46:18 UTC
Permalink
BrentC wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:05:31 +1200, "John B" <***@myplace.com>
wrote:
>
>> BrentC wrote:
>>> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:50:51 +1200, "geopelia"
<***@xtra.co.nz>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable
married
>>>> woman. No dirty insults please!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What a lie - a sham marriage of her own making and admitted
to
>> in an
>>> interview.
>>
>> Quite true. She only married for political expendiency. She
>> admitted it herself.
>>
>> She's a dyke FFS!
>>
>>
>
>
> I don't really care - as long as I don't have to view the video
when
> being re-educated.
>
> However, it's constant denial is having an effect on IT's
personality

Stop with the apostrophies... please. its it's = it is.
BrentC
2005-09-04 04:58:39 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 16:46:18 +1200, "John B" <***@myplace.com> wrote:

>BrentC wrote:
>> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:05:31 +1200, "John B" <***@myplace.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>> BrentC wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:50:51 +1200, "geopelia"
><***@xtra.co.nz>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable
>married
>>>>> woman. No dirty insults please!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What a lie - a sham marriage of her own making and admitted
>to
>>> in an
>>>> interview.
>>>
>>> Quite true. She only married for political expendiency. She
>>> admitted it herself.
>>>
>>> She's a dyke FFS!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> I don't really care - as long as I don't have to view the video
>when
>> being re-educated.
>>
>> However, it's constant denial is having an effect on IT's
>personality
>
>Stop with the apostrophies... please. its it's = it is.
>




Gee I hope you dont send me away to be reeducated?
John B
2005-09-04 05:31:51 UTC
Permalink
BrentC wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 16:46:18 +1200, "John B" <***@myplace.com>
wrote:
>
>> BrentC wrote:
>>> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:05:31 +1200, "John B" <***@myplace.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> BrentC wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:50:51 +1200, "geopelia"
>>>>> <***@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable
>>>>>> married woman. No dirty insults please!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What a lie - a sham marriage of her own making and admitted
to in
>>>>> an interview.
>>>>
>>>> Quite true. She only married for political expendiency. She
>>>> admitted it herself.
>>>>
>>>> She's a dyke FFS!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't really care - as long as I don't have to view the
video when
>>> being re-educated.
>>>
>>> However, it's constant denial is having an effect on IT's
>>> personality
>>
>> Stop with the apostrophies... please. its it's = it is.
>>
>
>
>
>
> Gee I hope you dont send me away to be reeducated?

Only to learn to spell its name properly.
geopelia
2005-09-04 11:51:06 UTC
Permalink
"John B" <***@myplace.com> wrote in message news:***@clear.net.nz...
> BrentC wrote:
> > On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:05:31 +1200, "John B" <***@myplace.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> BrentC wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:50:51 +1200, "geopelia"
> <***@xtra.co.nz>
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable
> married
> >>>> woman. No dirty insults please!
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What a lie - a sham marriage of her own making and admitted
> to
> >> in an
> >>> interview.
> >>
> >> Quite true. She only married for political expendiency. She
> >> admitted it herself.
> >>
> >> She's a dyke FFS!
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > I don't really care - as long as I don't have to view the video
> when
> > being re-educated.
> >
> > However, it's constant denial is having an effect on IT's
> personality
>
> Stop with the apostrophies... please. its it's = it is.
>
It's a wise apostrophe that knows its place.
Tilly
2005-09-04 02:24:08 UTC
Permalink
BrentC wrote:
> What a lie - a sham marriage of her own making and admitted to in an
> interview.


Which interview?

Not the one I saw the other night.


--
***@hotmail.com
Acid
2005-09-03 23:18:35 UTC
Permalink
"geopelia" <***@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
> Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable married woman.
> No
> dirty insults please!
>
>

Suppose next you'll be suggesting that anyone who says anything against
Clark needs to be sent to a retraining gulag like the Air NZ pilot the other
day?
thingy
2005-09-04 00:06:27 UTC
Permalink
Acid wrote:
> "geopelia" <***@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
>
>>Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable married woman.
>>No
>>dirty insults please!
>>
>>
>
>
> Suppose next you'll be suggesting that anyone who says anything against
> Clark needs to be sent to a retraining gulag like the Air NZ pilot the other
> day?
>
>
>

We dont need insults baseless or otherwise, in either direction.

The Air line pilot was wrong, he apologised for that, time to move on.

regards

Thing
BrentC
2005-09-04 00:20:01 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:06:27 +1200, thingy <***@nothere.commy>
wrote:

>Acid wrote:
>> "geopelia" <***@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
>>
>>>Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable married woman.
>>>No
>>>dirty insults please!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Suppose next you'll be suggesting that anyone who says anything against
>> Clark needs to be sent to a retraining gulag like the Air NZ pilot the other
>> day?
>>
>>
>>
>
>We dont need insults baseless or otherwise, in either direction.
>
>The Air line pilot was wrong, he apologised for that, time to move on.
>
>regards
>
>Thing


Keh - that is Helen's style - it's thrives on baseless bullshit and
bullying - dates back to Rowling days - why is is good enough for IT
and not good enough for NZpoly posters?
Redbaiter
2005-09-04 00:26:11 UTC
Permalink
BrentC says
> On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:06:27 +1200, thingy <***@nothere.commy>
> wrote:
>
> >Acid wrote:
> >> "geopelia" <***@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
> >>
> >>>Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable married woman.
> >>>No
> >>>dirty insults please!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Suppose next you'll be suggesting that anyone who says anything against
> >> Clark needs to be sent to a retraining gulag like the Air NZ pilot the other
> >> day?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >We dont need insults baseless or otherwise, in either direction.
> >
> >The Air line pilot was wrong, he apologised for that, time to move on.
> >
> >regards
> >
> >Thing
>
>
> Keh - that is Helen's style - it's thrives on baseless bullshit and
> bullying - dates back to Rowling days - why is is good enough for IT
> and not good enough for NZpoly posters?
>
>
>
Like spitting on soldiers returning from Vietnam...
Tilly
2005-09-04 02:29:07 UTC
Permalink
geopelia wrote:
> Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable married
> woman. No dirty insults please!


....and she is not a lesbian . Even if she was it's no ones goddamed
business IMO.

I have come to the conclusion the gay bashers in here ,are afraid of their
latent attraction to the same sex as themselves.


--
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John B
2005-09-04 03:25:36 UTC
Permalink
"Tilly" <***@yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
news:VZsSe.8436$***@news.xtra.co.nz...
> geopelia wrote:
> > Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable
married
> > woman. No dirty insults please!
>
>
> ....and she is not a lesbian . Even if she was it's no ones
goddamed
> business IMO.
>
> I have come to the conclusion the gay bashers in here ,are
afraid of their
> latent attraction to the same sex as themselves.

Well of course. But that's to justify *your* fancies, nothing
else.
dersu
2005-09-04 05:50:44 UTC
Permalink
"geopelia" <***@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:oRoSe.8373$***@news.xtra.co.nz...
>
>>
>> Jeez not even Sainsbury heard what she is alleging was said..
>>
> Whether you like her politics or not, she is a respectable married woman.
> No
> dirty insults please!

Maybe she should start acting like one! It would do her good to be a
housewife for a while (though Mr. Davies might have something to say about
that awful prospect) and if she still wants to have a job outside cooking,
cleaning and ironing for her dear husband she could do part time work in New
World or her local library who are crying out for more people I believe.

D.
Mike Parsons
2005-09-04 07:53:31 UTC
Permalink
Acid wrote:
> Jeez not even Sainsbury heard what she is alleging was said..

He was facing Helen and Brash and had 2 earplugs in for foldback.
Enkidu
2005-09-03 23:34:37 UTC
Permalink
sidproquo wrote:
>
> The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
> highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
> worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
>
> One presumes her statements that Don Brash arranged a crowd of anti gay
> thugs to hassle and heckle her because of her alleged sexual
> preferences have been reported correctly.
>
> If that is the case then the lady is guilty of the worst type of gutter
> politics and false accusation that I have ever heard being made by a
> political leader during my long life.
>
> We listened very closely to the debate to which she refers, and yes the
> audience was noisy and exuberant, but no one I was with heard streams
> of sexual abuse or insult directed at either leader.
>
> If this is the genuine opinion held by the PM, and if she has been
> accurately reported over this issue, then indeed it may be that the
> strain of this campaign has overwhelmed her and she should withdraw at
> once and seek professional help.
>
> Both out of fairness to herself, the country, and the political party
> that she represents, for this, coupled with other recent incidents,
> including the overreaction with the pilot etc, displays a worring and
> disturbing trend.
>
What a load of right-wing bollocks. What a pack of
conjecture built on nothing. SPQ, you are the one that needs
help, not Helen.

Cheers,

Cliff

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John B
2005-09-04 01:09:30 UTC
Permalink
Enkidu wrote:
> sidproquo wrote:
> >
>> The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the
Sunday Star
>> highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost,
or far
>> worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
>>
>> One presumes her statements that Don Brash arranged a crowd of
anti
>> gay thugs to hassle and heckle her because of her alleged
sexual
>> preferences have been reported correctly.
>>
>> If that is the case then the lady is guilty of the worst type
of
>> gutter politics and false accusation that I have ever heard
being
>> made by a political leader during my long life.
>>
>> We listened very closely to the debate to which she refers,
and yes
>> the audience was noisy and exuberant, but no one I was with
heard
>> streams of sexual abuse or insult directed at either leader.
>>
>> If this is the genuine opinion held by the PM, and if she has
been
>> accurately reported over this issue, then indeed it may be
that the
>> strain of this campaign has overwhelmed her and she should
withdraw
>> at once and seek professional help.
>>
>> Both out of fairness to herself, the country, and the
political party
>> that she represents, for this, coupled with other recent
incidents,
>> including the overreaction with the pilot etc, displays a
worring and
>> disturbing trend.
>>
> What a load of right-wing bollocks. What a pack of
> conjecture built on nothing. SPQ, you are the one that needs
> help, not Helen.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cliff

Take your head out of your bum and smell the roses for a change
buddy. You are as fucked in the head as Clark is.
Enkidu
2005-09-04 05:26:32 UTC
Permalink
John B wrote:
>
> Take your head out of your bum and smell the roses
> for a change buddy. You are as fucked in the head
> as Clark is.
>
I'd say that this was the worst campaign bar none for
personal attacks and vilifications from the "right", ever.
It's been sickening to say the least to see the verbal vomit
that spews from them.

I've tried hard to keep it to a sensible level of debate,
but it is impossible in the face of garbage such as the above.

Cheers,

Cliff

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Kerry
2005-09-04 05:28:39 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@news2.actrix.gen.nz>,
Enkidu <***@com.cliffp.com> wrote:

> John B wrote:
> >
> > Take your head out of your bum and smell the roses
> > for a change buddy. You are as fucked in the head
> > as Clark is.
> >
> I'd say that this was the worst campaign bar none for
> personal attacks and vilifications from the "right", ever.
> It's been sickening to say the least to see the verbal vomit
> that spews from them.
>
> I've tried hard to keep it to a sensible level of debate,
> but it is impossible in the face of garbage such as the above.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cliff

Desperate measures Cliff. They are scared

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John B
2005-09-04 05:35:13 UTC
Permalink
Kerry wrote:
> In article <***@news2.actrix.gen.nz>,
> Enkidu <***@com.cliffp.com> wrote:
>
>> John B wrote:
>>>
>>> Take your head out of your bum and smell the roses
>> > for a change buddy. You are as fucked in the head
>> > as Clark is.
>>>
>> I'd say that this was the worst campaign bar none for
>> personal attacks and vilifications from the "right", ever.
>> It's been sickening to say the least to see the verbal vomit
>> that spews from them.
>>
>> I've tried hard to keep it to a sensible level of debate,
>> but it is impossible in the face of garbage such as the above.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Cliff
>
> Desperate measures Cliff. They are scared

Of what, exactly, Kerry? You are as bhigger dope as Caveman. LOL
Kerry
2005-09-04 05:36:07 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@clear.net.nz>, "John B" <***@myplace.com> wrote:

> Kerry wrote:
> > In article <***@news2.actrix.gen.nz>,
> > Enkidu <***@com.cliffp.com> wrote:
> >
> >> John B wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Take your head out of your bum and smell the roses
> >> > for a change buddy. You are as fucked in the head
> >> > as Clark is.
> >>>
> >> I'd say that this was the worst campaign bar none for
> >> personal attacks and vilifications from the "right", ever.
> >> It's been sickening to say the least to see the verbal vomit
> >> that spews from them.
> >>
> >> I've tried hard to keep it to a sensible level of debate,
> >> but it is impossible in the face of garbage such as the above.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Cliff
> >
> > Desperate measures Cliff. They are scared
>
> Of what, exactly, Kerry? You are as bhigger dope as Caveman. LOL

9 years int he wilderness

Comin right up

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John B
2005-09-04 05:40:14 UTC
Permalink
Kerry wrote:
> In article <***@clear.net.nz>, "John B" <***@myplace.com>
wrote:
>
>> Kerry wrote:
>>> In article <***@news2.actrix.gen.nz>,
>>> Enkidu <***@com.cliffp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John B wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Take your head out of your bum and smell the roses
>>>> > for a change buddy. You are as fucked in the head
>>>> > as Clark is.
>>>>>
>>>> I'd say that this was the worst campaign bar none for
>>>> personal attacks and vilifications from the "right", ever.
>>>> It's been sickening to say the least to see the verbal vomit
>>>> that spews from them.
>>>>
>>>> I've tried hard to keep it to a sensible level of debate,
>>>> but it is impossible in the face of garbage such as the
above.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Cliff
>>>
>>> Desperate measures Cliff. They are scared
>>
>> Of what, exactly, Kerry? You are as bhigger dope as Caveman.
LOL
>
> 9 years int he wilderness
>
> Comin right up


I don't get you. What are you talking about?
John B
2005-09-04 05:33:46 UTC
Permalink
Enkidu wrote:
> John B wrote:
>>
>> Take your head out of your bum and smell the roses
> > for a change buddy. You are as fucked in the head
> > as Clark is.
>>
> I'd say that this was the worst campaign bar none for
> personal attacks and vilifications from the "right", ever.
> It's been sickening to say the least to see the verbal vomit
> that spews from them.
>
> I've tried hard to keep it to a sensible level of debate,
> but it is impossible in the face of garbage such as the above.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cliff

LOL What a dick.

Send all your liars and propagandists home, Cliff. Then there'll
be no one deserving of "verbal vomit", you included.
Tilly
2005-09-04 05:40:02 UTC
Permalink
Enkidu wrote:
> John B wrote:
> >
> > Take your head out of your bum and smell the roses
> > for a change buddy. You are as fucked in the head
> > as Clark is.
> >
> I'd say that this was the worst campaign bar none for
> personal attacks and vilifications from the "right", ever.
> It's been sickening to say the least to see the verbal vomit
> that spews from them.
>
> I've tried hard to keep it to a sensible level of debate,
> but it is impossible in the face of garbage such as the above.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cliff

Have you forgotten Muldoon?

The Moyle affair etc......




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Dave Joll
2005-09-04 06:48:16 UTC
Permalink
"Tilly" <***@yahoo.co.nz> wrote

> Have you forgotten Muldoon?

Brash obviously has: he's promising unaffordable tax cuts
to the upper and upper middle classes, and if he gets in
he'll have to to borrow billions to pay for them.

Might be an idea for anyone with a mortgage to get the best
fixed rate for 4 or more years that they can, because if this
happens floating rates will go sky-high.
Bobs
2005-09-04 06:50:59 UTC
Permalink
Dave Joll wrote:
> "Tilly" <***@yahoo.co.nz> wrote
>
>
>>Have you forgotten Muldoon?
>
>
> Brash obviously has: he's promising unaffordable tax cuts
> to the upper and upper middle classes, and if he gets in
> he'll have to to borrow billions to pay for them.

As opposed to Herr Clark who's just writing off student loan interest
payments and handing over billions to Maori?

>
> Might be an idea for anyone with a mortgage to get the best
> fixed rate for 4 or more years that they can, because if this
> happens floating rates will go sky-high.
>
>
John B
2005-09-04 06:55:10 UTC
Permalink
Dave Joll wrote:
> "Tilly" <***@yahoo.co.nz> wrote
>
>> Have you forgotten Muldoon?
>
> Brash obviously has: he's promising unaffordable tax cuts
> to the upper and upper middle classes, and if he gets in
> he'll have to to borrow billions to pay for them.

Another dopey mystical idiot that can't add.

Brash doesn't have to *pay* anything. He is just leaving more of
your money in your pocket.


> Might be an idea for anyone with a mortgage to get the best
> fixed rate for 4 or more years that they can, because if this
> happens floating rates will go sky-high.

Crap and lies.
Enkidu
2005-09-04 07:36:03 UTC
Permalink
Tilly wrote:
> Enkidu wrote:
>
>>John B wrote:
>>
>>>Take your head out of your bum and smell the roses
>>
>> > for a change buddy. You are as fucked in the head
>> > as Clark is.
>>
>>I'd say that this was the worst campaign bar none for
>>personal attacks and vilifications from the "right", ever.
>>It's been sickening to say the least to see the verbal vomit
>>that spews from them.
>>
>>I've tried hard to keep it to a sensible level of debate,
>>but it is impossible in the face of garbage such as the above.
>
> Have you forgotten Muldoon?
>
> The Moyle affair etc......
>
I remember Muldoon. I remember Moyle. I stick by the above.

Cheers,

Cliff

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Newsman
2005-09-04 00:07:49 UTC
Permalink
On 3 Sep 2005 14:08:59 -0700, "sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com>
wrote:

So, how do you account for your attitude?
sidproquo
2005-09-04 01:25:27 UTC
Permalink
Newsman wrote:
> On 3 Sep 2005 14:08:59 -0700, "sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> So, how do you account for your attitude?


Well to the best of my knowledge the question of me being a lesbian has
never arisen, is it a problem that you have had to confront Newsman.
Enkidu
2005-09-04 05:28:25 UTC
Permalink
sidproquo wrote:
>
> Well to the best of my knowledge the question of me
> being a lesbian has never arisen, is it a problem
> that you have had to confront Newsman.
>
Not surprising. You don't seem Greek to me, so it is
unlikely that you come from Lesbos.

Cheers,

Cliff

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Sue Bilstein
2005-09-04 06:53:02 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 00:07:49 GMT, ***@hotmail.com ( Newsman)
wrote:

>On 3 Sep 2005 14:08:59 -0700, "sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>So, how do you account for your attitude?

Here is September's mystery post.
thingy
2005-09-04 00:01:42 UTC
Permalink
sidproquo wrote:
> The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
> highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
> worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
>
> One presumes her statements that Don Brash arranged a crowd of anti gay
> thugs to hassle and heckle her because of her alleged sexual
> preferences have been reported correctly.
>
> If that is the case then the lady is guilty of the worst type of gutter
> politics and false accusation that I have ever heard being made by a
> political leader during my long life.
>
> We listened very closely to the debate to which she refers, and yes the
> audience was noisy and exuberant, but no one I was with heard streams
> of sexual abuse or insult directed at either leader.
>
> If this is the genuine opinion held by the PM, and if she has been
> accurately reported over this issue, then indeed it may be that the
> strain of this campaign has overwhelmed her and she should withdraw at
> once and seek professional help.
>
> Both out of fairness to herself, the country, and the political party
> that she represents, for this, coupled with other recent incidents,
> including the overreaction with the pilot etc, displays a worring and
> disturbing trend.
>


and of course you are medically qualified in this area......

total bollocks as usual.

regards

Thing
John B
2005-09-04 01:11:45 UTC
Permalink
thingy wrote:
> sidproquo wrote:

>> Both out of fairness to herself, the country, and the
political party
>> that she represents, for this, coupled with other recent
incidents,
>> including the overreaction with the pilot etc, displays a
worring and
>> disturbing trend.
>>
>
>
> and of course you are medically qualified in this area......
>
> total bollocks as usual.

Not so. She is under extreme pressure. She is a seething mess of
emotional hatred and loathing inside. It's starting to manifest
through uncontrollable twitching, lies, yelling and abuse etc.
She is fast losing the plot... not that she ever had one... well
a decent one anyway.

>
> regards
>
> Thing
Enkidu
2005-09-04 05:29:45 UTC
Permalink
John B wrote:
>
> Not so. She is under extreme pressure. She is a seething
> mess of emotional hatred and loathing inside. It's
> starting to manifest through uncontrollable twitching,
> lies, yelling and abuse etc. She is fast losing the
> plot... not that she ever had one... well a decent one
> anyway.
>
It makes me feel filthy just reading drivel like this.

Cheers,

Cliff

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John B
2005-09-04 05:36:12 UTC
Permalink
Enkidu wrote:
> John B wrote:
>>
>> Not so. She is under extreme pressure. She is a seething
> > mess of emotional hatred and loathing inside. It's
> > starting to manifest through uncontrollable twitching,
> > lies, yelling and abuse etc. She is fast losing the
> > plot... not that she ever had one... well a decent one
> > anyway.
>>
> It makes me feel filthy just reading drivel like this.

How else can a smelly caveman feel? LOL
Kerry
2005-09-04 05:37:07 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@clear.net.nz>, "John B" <***@myplace.com> wrote:

> Enkidu wrote:
> > John B wrote:
> >>
> >> Not so. She is under extreme pressure. She is a seething
> > > mess of emotional hatred and loathing inside. It's
> > > starting to manifest through uncontrollable twitching,
> > > lies, yelling and abuse etc. She is fast losing the
> > > plot... not that she ever had one... well a decent one
> > > anyway.
> >>
> > It makes me feel filthy just reading drivel like this.
>
> How else can a smelly caveman feel? LOL

Gosh darn it. You keep slithering out of my killfile

Be off with you

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John B
2005-09-04 05:41:17 UTC
Permalink
Kerry wrote:
> In article <***@clear.net.nz>, "John B" <***@myplace.com>
wrote:
>
>> Enkidu wrote:
>>> John B wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not so. She is under extreme pressure. She is a seething
>>> > mess of emotional hatred and loathing inside. It's
>>> > starting to manifest through uncontrollable twitching,
>>> > lies, yelling and abuse etc. She is fast losing the
>>> > plot... not that she ever had one... well a decent one
>>> > anyway.
>>>>
>>> It makes me feel filthy just reading drivel like this.
>>
>> How else can a smelly caveman feel? LOL
>
> Gosh darn it. You keep slithering out of my killfile
>
> Be off with you

No I don't you creepy vermin. You keep letting me out. Can't keep
a "good" man down. LOL
grumpyoldhori
2005-09-04 00:43:02 UTC
Permalink
What a brave bunch some of you are in print,if the PM fronted
you,you, one eye in the centre of the forehead bunch,you would
be like that pilot,puppys, so sorry they made a mess.
grumpy
Redbaiter
2005-09-04 01:10:19 UTC
Permalink
grumpyoldhori says

> What a brave bunch some of you are in print,if the PM fronted
> you,you, one eye in the centre of the forehead bunch,you would
> be like that pilot,puppys, so sorry they made a mess.
> grumpy
>
Why don't you watch parliament and see how Klark and so many of
the others continually dodge questions and generally treat the
Westminster system with utter contempt? She's not brave Grumpy,
and if you think she is, you don't know SFA. When she can't hide
behind the partisan judgements of her buddy Wilson, and has to
answer questions in TV debates or elsewhere, and not just ignore
them with her usual off topic sneering comebacks, she's
hopeless..
John Sefton
2005-09-04 01:23:04 UTC
Permalink
"sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
> highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
> worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
>
> One presumes her statements that Don Brash arranged a crowd of anti gay
> thugs to hassle and heckle her because of her alleged sexual
> preferences have been reported correctly.
>
> If that is the case then the lady is guilty of the worst type of gutter
> politics and false accusation that I have ever heard being made by a
> political leader during my long life.
>
> We listened very closely to the debate to which she refers, and yes the
> audience was noisy and exuberant, but no one I was with heard streams
> of sexual abuse or insult directed at either leader.
>
> If this is the genuine opinion held by the PM, and if she has been
> accurately reported over this issue, then indeed it may be that the
> strain of this campaign has overwhelmed her and she should withdraw at
> once and seek professional help.
>
> Both out of fairness to herself, the country, and the political party
> that she represents, for this, coupled with other recent incidents,
> including the overreaction with the pilot etc, displays a worring and
> disturbing trend.
>
"grumpyoldhori" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hqrSe.8417$***@news.xtra.co.nz...
> What a brave bunch some of you are in print,if the PM fronted
> you,you, one eye in the centre of the forehead bunch,you would
> be like that pilot,puppys, so sorry they made a mess.
> grumpy

Perhaps. Which begs the question: should NZ's PM be an individual that is
that scarey to confront?
Bob Howard
2005-09-04 01:00:30 UTC
Permalink
"sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

>
> Both out of fairness to herself, the country, and the political party
> that she represents, for this, coupled with other recent incidents,
> including the overreaction with the pilot etc, displays a worring and
> disturbing trend.

Helen is great when she is on top but can't handle adversity. Remember the
tears at Waitangi? There was an incident in parliament when the opposition
got to her and she started yelling and screaming. She couldn't take it. It
involved her husband Peter Davis. A commission was set up to probe waste in
public hospitals. Helen put her husband, whose job it is to head a team
overlooking the operation of the health system, in charge. Davis was put in
a position where he might have needed to produce reports critical of Helen's
government. The opposition was questioning the propriety of it.



Bob Howard.
Rob J
2005-09-04 07:02:11 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:00:30 +1200, "Bob Howard" <***@spam.none.com>
wrote:

>
>"sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
>>
>> Both out of fairness to herself, the country, and the political party
>> that she represents, for this, coupled with other recent incidents,
>> including the overreaction with the pilot etc, displays a worring and
>> disturbing trend.
>
>Helen is great when she is on top but can't handle adversity. Remember the
>tears at Waitangi?

Are you married, Bob? Maybe your wife is a stone faced old crone who
is most unlike most of the women I know, who are emotionally very
open.
Bob Howard
2005-09-04 10:00:53 UTC
Permalink
"Rob J" <***@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
news:***@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:00:30 +1200, "Bob Howard" <***@spam.none.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >>
> >> Both out of fairness to herself, the country, and the political party
> >> that she represents, for this, coupled with other recent incidents,
> >> including the overreaction with the pilot etc, displays a worring and
> >> disturbing trend.
> >
> >Helen is great when she is on top but can't handle adversity. Remember
the
> >tears at Waitangi?
>
> Are you married, Bob? Maybe your wife is a stone faced old crone who
> is most unlike most of the women I know, who are emotionally very
> open.

My wife is not the prime minister.



Bob Howard.
Sue Bilstein
2005-09-04 02:08:17 UTC
Permalink
On 3 Sep 2005 14:08:59 -0700, "sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
>highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
>worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
>
>One presumes her statements that Don Brash arranged a crowd of anti gay
>thugs to hassle and heckle her because of her alleged sexual
>preferences have been reported correctly.
>
<snip>

I scanned this on the cover of the SST. "Why is she labouring this
debate that happened more than a week ago?" I wondered.

Maybe her political strategists have decided that her aggression in
that debate damaged her image, so it's necessary to come up with some
kind of justification. But you'd think it's not very politically
savvy to go over old ground like this.
John Sefton
2005-09-04 02:13:17 UTC
Permalink
"Sue Bilstein" <***@yahoop.com> wrote in message
news:***@4ax.com...
> On 3 Sep 2005 14:08:59 -0700, "sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
> >highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
> >worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
> >
> >One presumes her statements that Don Brash arranged a crowd of anti gay
> >thugs to hassle and heckle her because of her alleged sexual
> >preferences have been reported correctly.
> >
> <snip>
>
> I scanned this on the cover of the SST. "Why is she labouring this
> debate that happened more than a week ago?" I wondered.
>
> Maybe her political strategists have decided that her aggression in
> that debate damaged her image, so it's necessary to come up with some
> kind of justification. But you'd think it's not very politically
> savvy to go over old ground like this.

A week is a long time in politics; even longer in the lead up to an
election. To be seen to be holding a grudge so long about what is, in
political terms, ancient history, doesn't look good.
geopelia
2005-09-04 03:15:33 UTC
Permalink
"John Sefton" <***@removethis.ihug.com.au> wrote in message
news:dfdl7n$5n0$***@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>
> "Sue Bilstein" <***@yahoop.com> wrote in message
> news:***@4ax.com...
> > On 3 Sep 2005 14:08:59 -0700, "sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
> > >highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
> > >worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
> > >
> > >One presumes her statements that Don Brash arranged a crowd of anti gay
> > >thugs to hassle and heckle her because of her alleged sexual
> > >preferences have been reported correctly.
> > >
> > <snip>
> >
> > I scanned this on the cover of the SST. "Why is she labouring this
> > debate that happened more than a week ago?" I wondered.
> >
> > Maybe her political strategists have decided that her aggression in
> > that debate damaged her image, so it's necessary to come up with some
> > kind of justification. But you'd think it's not very politically
> > savvy to go over old ground like this.
>
> A week is a long time in politics; even longer in the lead up to an
> election. To be seen to be holding a grudge so long about what is, in
> political terms, ancient history, doesn't look good.
>
Who takes notice of the gutter press anyway? It's their job to dig up dirt
to boost their circulation. If they can't find a scandal they'll try to make
one.
Sue Bilstein
2005-09-04 06:43:55 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 15:15:33 +1200, "geopelia" <***@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:
>"John Sefton" <***@removethis.ihug.com.au> wrote in message
>news:dfdl7n$5n0$***@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>> "Sue Bilstein" <***@yahoop.com> wrote in message
>> news:***@4ax.com...
>> >
>> > I scanned this on the cover of the SST. "Why is she labouring this
>> > debate that happened more than a week ago?" I wondered.
>> >
>> > Maybe her political strategists have decided that her aggression in
>> > that debate damaged her image, so it's necessary to come up with some
>> > kind of justification. But you'd think it's not very politically
>> > savvy to go over old ground like this.
>>
>> A week is a long time in politics; even longer in the lead up to an
>> election. To be seen to be holding a grudge so long about what is, in
>> political terms, ancient history, doesn't look good.
>>
>Who takes notice of the gutter press anyway? It's their job to dig up dirt
>to boost their circulation. If they can't find a scandal they'll try to make
>one.
>

However, it was Clark who made the statement. The SST didn't invent
that.
steve
2005-09-04 07:18:50 UTC
Permalink
sidproquo wrote:

> The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
> highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
> worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
>

LOL!

If ever there was evidence of mental instability - even breakdown - it would
have be your own posts.
sidproquo
2005-09-04 07:27:42 UTC
Permalink
steve wrote:
> sidproquo wrote:
>
> > The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
> > highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
> > worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
> >
>
> LOL!
>
> If ever there was evidence of mental instability - even breakdown - it would
> have be your own posts.

Your posts are too pathetic to get angry over, allow me extend a
modicum of pity toward you instead.
Mike Parsons
2005-09-04 07:52:18 UTC
Permalink
sidproquo wrote:
> The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
> highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
> worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
>
> One presumes her statements that Don Brash arranged a crowd of anti gay
> thugs to hassle and heckle her because of her alleged sexual
> preferences have been reported correctly.

You may presume this, but you presume too much. If you read the article,
you'll have to admit that Helen made no statements of the sort. So
you're lying again, aren't you?

> We listened very closely to the debate to which she refers, and yes the
> audience was noisy and exuberant, but no one I was with heard streams
> of sexual abuse or insult directed at either leader.

That'll be because the microphones were pointed at Helen and Brash. The
microphones only picked up the audience as secondary and background
sounds. Newsman will know about this.
sidproquo
2005-09-04 08:08:43 UTC
Permalink
Mike Parsons wrote:
> sidproquo wrote:
> > The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
> > highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
> > worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
> >
> > One presumes her statements that Don Brash arranged a crowd of anti gay
> > thugs to hassle and heckle her because of her alleged sexual
> > preferences have been reported correctly.
>
> You may presume this, but you presume too much. If you read the article,
> you'll have to admit that Helen made no statements of the sort. So
> you're lying again, aren't you?

You Lie again, direct quote from the Star Times.
"But he "Brash" came in with a mob of hooligans who chanted abuse at
me every time I opened my mouth.
They shouted personal abuse,-no kid lesbo, scrubber , liar."
End quote.

So that is the statement made by Clark, please explain how quoting her
directly makes me a liar.



> > We listened very closely to the debate to which she refers, and yes the
> > audience was noisy and exuberant, but no one I was with heard streams
> > of sexual abuse or insult directed at either leader.
>
> That'll be because the microphones were pointed at Helen and Brash. The
> microphones only picked up the audience as secondary and background
> sounds. Newsman will know about this.

Funny how no one else, either on or off camera with the exception of
your rather flakey leader, heard anything even faintly resembling her
claims.
Mike Parsons
2005-09-04 09:11:42 UTC
Permalink
sidproquo wrote:
> Mike Parsons wrote:
>
>>sidproquo wrote:
>>
>>>The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
>>>highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
>>>worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
>>>
>>>One presumes her statements that Don Brash arranged a crowd of anti gay
>>>thugs to hassle and heckle her because of her alleged sexual
>>>preferences have been reported correctly.
>>
>>You may presume this, but you presume too much. If you read the article,
>>you'll have to admit that Helen made no statements of the sort. So
>>you're lying again, aren't you?
>
>
> You Lie again, direct quote from the Star Times.
> "But he "Brash" came in with a mob of hooligans who chanted abuse at
> me every time I opened my mouth.
> They shouted personal abuse,-no kid lesbo, scrubber , liar."
> End quote.
>
> So that is the statement made by Clark, please explain how quoting her
> directly makes me a liar.

Because you declared that she'd said one thing, when clearly she'd said
something else.

>>>We listened very closely to the debate to which she refers, and yes the
>>>audience was noisy and exuberant, but no one I was with heard streams
>>>of sexual abuse or insult directed at either leader.
>>
>>That'll be because the microphones were pointed at Helen and Brash. The
>>microphones only picked up the audience as secondary and background
>>sounds. Newsman will know about this.
>
> Funny how no one else, either on or off camera with the exception of
> your rather flakey leader, heard anything even faintly resembling her
> claims.

Where does it say that in the story?
John B
2005-09-04 09:54:43 UTC
Permalink
Mike Parsons wrote:

>> Funny how no one else, either on or off camera with the
exception of
>> your rather flakey leader, heard anything even faintly
resembling her
>> claims.
>
> Where does it say that in the story?

It was on TV for starters. No one, not Sainsbury, Brash, or
anyone else heard what Herr Klark claims she heard.

My guess is, it was her schizoid other half yelling in her ear.

:-P Queer prat.
George.com
2005-09-04 08:54:56 UTC
Permalink
"sidproquo" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> The Helen is a Lesbian, article on the front page of the Sunday Star
> highlights the level of Helens desperation to win at any cost, or far
> worse, that she has buckled under the political strain.
>
> One presumes her statements that Don Brash arranged a crowd of anti gay
> thugs to hassle and heckle her because of her alleged sexual
> preferences have been reported correctly.
>
> If that is the case then the lady is guilty of the worst type of gutter
> politics and false accusation that I have ever heard being made by a
> political leader during my long life.
>
> We listened very closely to the debate to which she refers, and yes the
> audience was noisy and exuberant, but no one I was with heard streams
> of sexual abuse or insult directed at either leader.
>
> If this is the genuine opinion held by the PM, and if she has been
> accurately reported over this issue, then indeed it may be that the
> strain of this campaign has overwhelmed her and she should withdraw at
> once and seek professional help.
>
> Both out of fairness to herself, the country, and the political party
> that she represents, for this, coupled with other recent incidents,
> including the overreaction with the pilot etc, displays a worring and
> disturbing trend.

judging by some of the shit said about Clark on this newsgroup, redbait et
al, I can quite believe that the Nats crowd got very personal. I doubt Brash
would be too happy if people called him a sleazy looking old bastard or an
old pervert or a dressing gown wearing old sleaze who liked quiet
subservient little women who acquiesced to his every demand. It is a
personal call as to whether that thing is acceptable in an election.

rob
Redbaiter
2005-09-04 09:49:51 UTC
Permalink
George.com says...

> >
> > Both out of fairness to herself, the country, and the political party
> > that she represents, for this, coupled with other recent incidents,
> > including the overreaction with the pilot etc, displays a worring and
> > disturbing trend.
>
> judging by some of the shit said about Clark on this newsgroup, redbait et
> al, I can quite believe that the Nats crowd got very personal. I doubt Brash
> would be too happy if people called him a sleazy looking old bastard or an
> old pervert or a dressing gown wearing old sleaze who liked quiet
> subservient little women who acquiesced to his every demand. It is a
> personal call as to whether that thing is acceptable in an election.
>
Are you socialists completely devoid of intelligence or what???

I don't want to steal your money Rob, but you want to steal mine.

You vote yourself access to the pay packets of hard working
productive NZers, and you use the money you so steal to buy the
support of bludgers and racists, and we're meant to be all lovey
dovey about it and respect you or some damn thing?? Is that what you
fucken expect you retard???

Get some damn principles you thieving greedy for power socialist
parasite, and you just might get a modicum of the respect you
apparently deceive yourself you're worthy of.

What will it take to wake you up to the contempt you have earned with
your damn thieving fingers in everybody's wallets???? What will it
take before you realise that so many people have had it up to here
with you power hungry socialist bastards??
John B
2005-09-04 09:51:46 UTC
Permalink
George.com wrote:

> judging by some of the shit said about Clark on this newsgroup,
> redbait et al, I can quite believe that the Nats crowd got very
> personal. I doubt Brash would be too happy if people called him
a
> sleazy looking old bastard or an old pervert or a dressing gown
> wearing old sleaze who liked quiet subservient little women who
> acquiesced to his every demand. It is a personal call as to
whether
> that thing is acceptable in an election.

Fuck off you despicable smearer.

It's people like you that tell the lies and make smears without
any evidence to back up your plainly hate-driven irrational
propaganda. And you expect people to be polite to you? That's a
laugh. :-P
George.com
2005-09-04 11:16:41 UTC
Permalink
"John B" <***@myplace.com> wrote in message news:***@clear.net.nz...
> George.com wrote:
>
> > judging by some of the shit said about Clark on this newsgroup,
> > redbait et al, I can quite believe that the Nats crowd got very
> > personal. I doubt Brash would be too happy if people called him
> a
> > sleazy looking old bastard or an old pervert or a dressing gown
> > wearing old sleaze who liked quiet subservient little women who
> > acquiesced to his every demand. It is a personal call as to
> whether
> > that thing is acceptable in an election.
>
> Fuck off you despicable smearer.
>
> It's people like you that tell the lies and make smears without
> any evidence to back up your plainly hate-driven irrational
> propaganda. And you expect people to be polite to you? That's a
> laugh. :-P

basically you prove my point eh John Boy. The amount of "I hate Clarkism" on
this newsgroup when transferred into a hand picked crowd of rowdy Nats would
easily throw up lesbian/dyke type insults.

A couple of quotes from this very thread:
"A freak... a power-mad power-hungry freak"

"She truly is a repellant disgusting excuse for a human being.
Never had a real job in her life. Never had children."

strikes me it is you who is trying to claim some moral high ground whilst
acting like a foul mouthed little prick in the same act.

No John, your actions and your words betray your self moralistic stance
here. Based on the venom and bile poured out on this newsgroup toward Clark
there is ample evidence such a hand picked National crowd could do the same.

Your bullshit attempted diversions of 'lies' 'smears' and 'propoganda' can't
mask the venom you and your ilk direct toward Clark. If you can't be polite,
what makes you think a National party crowd will do the same. You are a
prize hypocrite Johnny.

rob
John B
2005-09-04 11:24:47 UTC
Permalink
George.com wrote:

> basically you prove my point eh John Boy. The amount of "I hate
> Clarkism" on this newsgroup when transferred into a hand picked
crowd
> of rowdy Nats would easily throw up lesbian/dyke type insults.

Oh crap. :-P

You stop telling lies and making smears and people may treat you
differently.
George.com
2005-09-04 11:44:28 UTC
Permalink
"John B" <***@myplace.com> wrote in message news:431ad917$***@clear.net.nz...
> George.com wrote:
>
> > basically you prove my point eh John Boy. The amount of "I hate
> > Clarkism" on this newsgroup when transferred into a hand picked
> crowd
> > of rowdy Nats would easily throw up lesbian/dyke type insults.
>
> Oh crap. :-P
>
> You stop telling lies and making smears and people may treat you
> differently.

do you still believe in the tooth fairy as well John?

rob
rob
2005-09-04 11:35:34 UTC
Permalink
"George.com" wrote in message news:dfeks9$41g$***@lust.ihug.co.nz...

> basically you prove my point eh John Boy. The amount of "I hate Clarkism"
> on
> this newsgroup when transferred into a hand picked crowd of rowdy Nats
> would
> easily throw up lesbian/dyke type insults.
>
> A couple of quotes from this very thread:
> "A freak... a power-mad power-hungry freak"
>
> "She truly is a repellant disgusting excuse for a human being.
> Never had a real job in her life. Never had children."
>
> strikes me it is you who is trying to claim some moral high ground whilst
> acting like a foul mouthed little prick in the same act.
>
> No John, your actions and your words betray your self moralistic stance
> here. Based on the venom and bile poured out on this newsgroup toward
> Clark
> there is ample evidence such a hand picked National crowd could do the
> same.
>
> Your bullshit attempted diversions of 'lies' 'smears' and 'propoganda'
> can't
> mask the venom you and your ilk direct toward Clark. If you can't be
> polite,
> what makes you think a National party crowd will do the same. You are a
> prize hypocrite Johnny.
>
> rob
>
>

It goes both ways you daft prat. Some headers over the past few months

Dr Evil Brash and the "Strategic Deficit"
DON BRASH is a lying bastard!
Herr Brash
Don Brash the racist
Brash Was None To Courteous To Wife Number One.
Brash's Fascist Rant

Its usenet for chrissake, there's supposed to be namecalling :)
George.com
2005-09-04 11:47:33 UTC
Permalink
"rob" <***@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:9_ASe.8596$***@news.xtra.co.nz...
>
> "George.com" wrote in message news:dfeks9$41g$***@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>
> > basically you prove my point eh John Boy. The amount of "I hate
Clarkism"
> > on
> > this newsgroup when transferred into a hand picked crowd of rowdy Nats
> > would
> > easily throw up lesbian/dyke type insults.
> >
> > A couple of quotes from this very thread:
> > "A freak... a power-mad power-hungry freak"
> >
> > "She truly is a repellant disgusting excuse for a human being.
> > Never had a real job in her life. Never had children."
> >
> > strikes me it is you who is trying to claim some moral high ground
whilst
> > acting like a foul mouthed little prick in the same act.
> >
> > No John, your actions and your words betray your self moralistic stance
> > here. Based on the venom and bile poured out on this newsgroup toward
> > Clark
> > there is ample evidence such a hand picked National crowd could do the
> > same.
> >
> > Your bullshit attempted diversions of 'lies' 'smears' and 'propoganda'
> > can't
> > mask the venom you and your ilk direct toward Clark. If you can't be
> > polite,
> > what makes you think a National party crowd will do the same. You are a
> > prize hypocrite Johnny.
> >
> > rob
> >
> >
>
> It goes both ways you daft prat. Some headers over the past few months
>
> Dr Evil Brash and the "Strategic Deficit"
> DON BRASH is a lying bastard!
> Herr Brash
> Don Brash the racist
> Brash Was None To Courteous To Wife Number One.
> Brash's Fascist Rant
>
> Its usenet for chrissake, there's supposed to be namecalling :)

exactly my point, it goes on here regularly so why the hell would it not go
on in a crowd of political yahoos during a leaders debate. Anyone who claims
that is just bloody naive. My point is would Brash appreciate if Labour
supporters called him an old pervert or a child molestor. Probably not.

rob
John B
2005-09-04 11:55:39 UTC
Permalink
George.com wrote:


>> Its usenet for chrissake, there's supposed to be namecalling
:)
>
> exactly my point, it goes on here regularly so why the hell
would it
> not go on in a crowd of political yahoos during a leaders
debate.
> Anyone who claims that is just bloody naive. My point is would
Brash
> appreciate if Labour supporters called him an old pervert or a
child
> molestor. Probably not.
>
> rob

Not the point. No one heard anyone in the National supporters
group say any of those things. Just Clark. She was the only one
who "allegedly" heard them. You are taking what she says as
gospel, yet she is a proven liar.

How about you coming up with the proof you disgusting pile of
crap. :-P
George.com
2005-09-04 12:01:35 UTC
Permalink
"John B" <***@myplace.com> wrote in message news:***@clear.net.nz...
> George.com wrote:
>
>
> >> Its usenet for chrissake, there's supposed to be namecalling
> :)
> >
> > exactly my point, it goes on here regularly so why the hell
> would it
> > not go on in a crowd of political yahoos during a leaders
> debate.
> > Anyone who claims that is just bloody naive. My point is would
> Brash
> > appreciate if Labour supporters called him an old pervert or a
> child
> > molestor. Probably not.
> >
> > rob
>
> Not the point. No one heard anyone in the National supporters
> group say any of those things. Just Clark. She was the only one
> who "allegedly" heard them. You are taking what she says as
> gospel, yet she is a proven liar.
>
> How about you coming up with the proof you disgusting pile of
> crap. :-P

and people are rushing round this newsgroup renying it could ever happen and
pretending butter wouldn't melt in the mouth of national party yahoos. I
think it is afir to say that the possibility is (much) more than remote that
such comments were said.

rob
John B
2005-09-04 12:06:23 UTC
Permalink
George.com wrote:
> "John B" <***@myplace.com> wrote in message
> news:***@clear.net.nz...
>> George.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Its usenet for chrissake, there's supposed to be namecalling
>> :)
>>>
>>> exactly my point, it goes on here regularly so why the hell
>> would it
>>> not go on in a crowd of political yahoos during a leaders
>> debate.
>>> Anyone who claims that is just bloody naive. My point is
would
>> Brash
>>> appreciate if Labour supporters called him an old pervert or
a
>> child
>>> molestor. Probably not.
>>>
>>> rob
>>
>> Not the point. No one heard anyone in the National supporters
>> group say any of those things. Just Clark. She was the only
one
>> who "allegedly" heard them. You are taking what she says as
>> gospel, yet she is a proven liar.
>>
>> How about you coming up with the proof you disgusting pile of
>> crap. :-P
>
> and people are rushing round this newsgroup renying it could
ever
> happen and pretending butter wouldn't melt in the mouth of
national
> party yahoos. I think it is afir to say that the possibility is
> (much) more than remote that such comments were said.
>
> rob

That's a back down. But anyway, prove it. No one else heard it
except Clark.

Tell you what I think could have happened. During the breaks
someone from Labour told a National supporter that Brash was a
"pussy wimp." So, that National party supporter said to the
Labourite "Clakrs a lesbo, or whatever.

Then, after the show, a week later, someone told someone that
someone had said that about Clark. So someone told Clark. She
then tried to use it as a weapon against Brash.

She directly accussed Brash of personally bringing those people
in to shout those things out.

Clearly that is an outrageous lie. And you support it. So where's
your fucken proof?

Wanker. :-P
George.com
2005-09-04 12:14:58 UTC
Permalink
"John B" <***@myplace.com> wrote in message news:431ae2d8$***@clear.net.nz...
> George.com wrote:
> > "John B" <***@myplace.com> wrote in message
> > news:***@clear.net.nz...
> >> George.com wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>> Its usenet for chrissake, there's supposed to be namecalling
> >> :)
> >>>
> >>> exactly my point, it goes on here regularly so why the hell
> >> would it
> >>> not go on in a crowd of political yahoos during a leaders
> >> debate.
> >>> Anyone who claims that is just bloody naive. My point is
> would
> >> Brash
> >>> appreciate if Labour supporters called him an old pervert or
> a
> >> child
> >>> molestor. Probably not.
> >>>
> >>> rob
> >>
> >> Not the point. No one heard anyone in the National supporters
> >> group say any of those things. Just Clark. She was the only
> one
> >> who "allegedly" heard them. You are taking what she says as
> >> gospel, yet she is a proven liar.
> >>
> >> How about you coming up with the proof you disgusting pile of
> >> crap. :-P
> >
> > and people are rushing round this newsgroup renying it could
> ever
> > happen and pretending butter wouldn't melt in the mouth of
> national
> > party yahoos. I think it is afir to say that the possibility is
> > (much) more than remote that such comments were said.
> >
> > rob
>
> That's a back down. But anyway, prove it. No one else heard it
> except Clark.

if you think it is a backdown go right ahead. It is well within the bounds
of the Nat crowd abusing her with dyke/lesbo gibes. Brash wouldn't like it
were he called a pervert or a dirty old man.

> Tell you what I think could have happened. During the breaks
> someone from Labour told a National supporter that Brash was a
> "pussy wimp." So, that National party supporter said to the
> Labourite "Clakrs a lesbo, or whatever.

I could well believe some Labour party supporters called Brash a pussy or a
whimp.

> Then, after the show, a week later, someone told someone that
> someone had said that about Clark. So someone told Clark. She
> then tried to use it as a weapon against Brash.
>
> She directly accussed Brash of personally bringing those people
> in to shout those things out.

whereas the Nats B team could have arranged all of that. Just because Brash
may not have been personally involved does not mean it wasn't arranged. You
knwo politics well enough to realise that.

> Clearly that is an outrageous lie.

because you say so huh. Unfortunately you are hardly a credible source John.

rob
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