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John Bowes
2021-04-28 04:58:46 UTC
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Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
Rich80105
2021-04-28 05:22:35 UTC
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Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.

Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
John Bowes
2021-04-28 12:23:42 UTC
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
George Black
2021-04-28 19:52:21 UTC
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Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
To late there.
The Monty Python village idiot skit explains it well
Rich80105
2021-04-28 20:08:24 UTC
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Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
To late there.
The Monty Python village idiot skit explains it well
You should be kind about simple typos, George - after all, most of us
make then at some stage - nz.general is not about carefully considered
and edited posts, as John Bowes demonstrates well.
John Bowes
2021-04-28 21:45:57 UTC
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Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
To late there.
The Monty Python village idiot skit explains it well
You should be kind about simple typos, George - after all, most of us
make then at some stage - nz.general is not about carefully considered
and edited posts, as John Bowes demonstrates well.
Again you see your own constant failures in others Rich! When it comes to lack of care in consideration and editing YOU Rich are the expert in this ng :)
Rich80105
2021-04-28 20:06:04 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
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Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
John Bowes
2021-04-28 21:44:08 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
The only one having wet dreams here is you Rich in your blind support of Ardern and her Marxist muppets :)
btw I don't pay tax as such being a superanuit...
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Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
Still not gentle enough for rail you fucking idiot. If you want fast rail you want as few slopes and corners as possible. something I'm not surprised a fucking idiot like you doesn't have a clue about!
George Black
2021-04-28 22:06:37 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
The only one having wet dreams here is you Rich in your blind support of Ardern and her Marxist muppets :)
btw I don't pay tax as such being a superanuit...
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Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
Still not gentle enough for rail you fucking idiot. If you want fast rail you want as few slopes and corners as possible. something I'm not surprised a fucking idiot like you doesn't have a clue about!
I wonder if he/she or it can explain as to how trains climb mountains
and the equipment required ..... oh and the speeds attained
ROTFL
Rich80105
2021-04-29 07:32:21 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
The only one having wet dreams here is you Rich in your blind support of Ardern and her Marxist muppets :)
btw I don't pay tax as such being a superanuit...
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Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
Still not gentle enough for rail you fucking idiot. If you want fast rail you want as few slopes and corners as possible. something I'm not surprised a fucking idiot like you doesn't have a clue about!
I wonder if he/she or it can explain as to how trains climb mountains
and the equipment required ..... oh and the speeds attained
ROTFL
Yes you indeed quite funny. Were you not aware of the Raurimu Spiral,
George? That was built over 120 years ago; but the spiral has lasted
well.
John Bowes
2021-04-29 20:06:49 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
The only one having wet dreams here is you Rich in your blind support of Ardern and her Marxist muppets :)
btw I don't pay tax as such being a superanuit...
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Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
Still not gentle enough for rail you fucking idiot. If you want fast rail you want as few slopes and corners as possible. something I'm not surprised a fucking idiot like you doesn't have a clue about!
I wonder if he/she or it can explain as to how trains climb mountains
and the equipment required ..... oh and the speeds attained
ROTFL
Yes you indeed quite funny. Were you not aware of the Raurimu Spiral,
George? That was built over 120 years ago; but the spiral has lasted
well.
Once again your lack of comprehension leaves you looking like a fool Rich. The spiral highlights your lack of comprehension of how different building roads is to building rail.....
Rich80105
2021-04-29 21:08:42 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
The only one having wet dreams here is you Rich in your blind support of Ardern and her Marxist muppets :)
btw I don't pay tax as such being a superanuit...
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Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
Still not gentle enough for rail you fucking idiot. If you want fast rail you want as few slopes and corners as possible. something I'm not surprised a fucking idiot like you doesn't have a clue about!
I wonder if he/she or it can explain as to how trains climb mountains
and the equipment required ..... oh and the speeds attained
ROTFL
Yes you indeed quite funny. Were you not aware of the Raurimu Spiral,
George? That was built over 120 years ago; but the spiral has lasted
well.
Once again your lack of comprehension leaves you looking like a fool Rich. The spiral highlights your lack of comprehension of how different building roads is to building rail.....
You possibly believe road freight (and possible even rail) will go
along Transmission Gully, John O. The spiral does indeed ilustrate the
difference between building for road and for rail - faster rail
between Auckland and Hamilton would need a new route in many places,
but of course the part between the outskirts of Auckland to the Port
would be the hardest to achieve. I hear they are planning a new
transfer hub near Hillcrest - it makes sense.
John Bowes
2021-04-30 22:01:37 UTC
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 05:23:42 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
The only one having wet dreams here is you Rich in your blind support of Ardern and her Marxist muppets :)
btw I don't pay tax as such being a superanuit...
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
Still not gentle enough for rail you fucking idiot. If you want fast rail you want as few slopes and corners as possible. something I'm not surprised a fucking idiot like you doesn't have a clue about!
I wonder if he/she or it can explain as to how trains climb mountains
and the equipment required ..... oh and the speeds attained
ROTFL
Yes you indeed quite funny. Were you not aware of the Raurimu Spiral,
George? That was built over 120 years ago; but the spiral has lasted
well.
Once again your lack of comprehension leaves you looking like a fool Rich. The spiral highlights your lack of comprehension of how different building roads is to building rail.....
You possibly believe road freight (and possible even rail) will go
along Transmission Gully, John O. The spiral does indeed ilustrate the
difference between building for road and for rail - faster rail
between Auckland and Hamilton would need a new route in many places,
but of course the part between the outskirts of Auckland to the Port
would be the hardest to achieve. I hear they are planning a new
transfer hub near Hillcrest - it makes sense.
wtf has Transmission Gully got to do with this thread Rich? Or for that matter the Raurimu spiral? The spiral gives a bloody good example of why you don't build railways alongside roads and Transmission gully much the same. As to a transfer hub at Hillcrest that's a bus depot has nothing to do with rail as Hamilton already has a perfectly good freight yard at Frankton! They already have rail from the outskirts of Auckland to the port you idiot! Hell they have rail within .18km of the port already!!!!! :)
Gordon
2021-05-01 04:15:51 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
The only one having wet dreams here is you Rich in your blind support of Ardern and her Marxist muppets :)
btw I don't pay tax as such being a superanuit...
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Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
Still not gentle enough for rail you fucking idiot. If you want fast rail you want as few slopes and corners as possible. something I'm not surprised a fucking idiot like you doesn't have a clue about!
I wonder if he/she or it can explain as to how trains climb mountains
and the equipment required ..... oh and the speeds attained
ROTFL
Yes you indeed quite funny. Were you not aware of the Raurimu Spiral,
George? That was built over 120 years ago; but the spiral has lasted
well.
Once again your lack of comprehension leaves you looking like a fool Rich. The spiral highlights your lack of comprehension of how different building roads is to building rail.....
You possibly believe road freight (and possible even rail) will go
along Transmission Gully, John O. The spiral does indeed ilustrate the
difference between building for road and for rail - faster rail
between Auckland and Hamilton would need a new route in many places,
but of course the part between the outskirts of Auckland to the Port
would be the hardest to achieve. I hear they are planning a new
transfer hub near Hillcrest - it makes sense.
wtf has Transmission Gully got to do with this thread Rich? Or for that
matter the Raurimu spiral? The spiral gives a bloody good example of why
you don't build railways alongside roads
No it is fine example of starting at each end before you have the whole
route completed and then having to find a cure. Much the same as happens
to-day.
Tony
2021-05-01 04:40:23 UTC
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 05:23:42 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every
one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than
the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
The only one having wet dreams here is you Rich in your blind support
of Ardern and her Marxist muppets :)
btw I don't pay tax as such being a superanuit...
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a
fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
Still not gentle enough for rail you fucking idiot. If you want fast
rail you want as few slopes and corners as possible. something I'm not
surprised a fucking idiot like you doesn't have a clue about!
I wonder if he/she or it can explain as to how trains climb mountains
and the equipment required ..... oh and the speeds attained
ROTFL
Yes you indeed quite funny. Were you not aware of the Raurimu Spiral,
George? That was built over 120 years ago; but the spiral has lasted
well.
Once again your lack of comprehension leaves you looking like a fool Rich.
The spiral highlights your lack of comprehension of how different building
roads is to building rail.....
You possibly believe road freight (and possible even rail) will go
along Transmission Gully, John O. The spiral does indeed ilustrate the
difference between building for road and for rail - faster rail
between Auckland and Hamilton would need a new route in many places,
but of course the part between the outskirts of Auckland to the Port
would be the hardest to achieve. I hear they are planning a new
transfer hub near Hillcrest - it makes sense.
wtf has Transmission Gully got to do with this thread Rich? Or for that
matter the Raurimu spiral? The spiral gives a bloody good example of why
you don't build railways alongside roads
No it is fine example of starting at each end before you have the whole
route completed and then having to find a cure. Much the same as happens
to-day.
Gordon that is nonsense.
When the spirtal was built it was a logical and expedient solution to a need
for rail in a challenging topography. It was a brilliant solution in fact.
To suggest that it was not planned is rather rude.
George Black
2021-05-01 19:56:19 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every
one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than
the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
The only one having wet dreams here is you Rich in your blind support
of Ardern and her Marxist muppets :)
btw I don't pay tax as such being a superanuit...
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a
fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
Still not gentle enough for rail you fucking idiot. If you want fast
rail you want as few slopes and corners as possible. something I'm not
surprised a fucking idiot like you doesn't have a clue about!
I wonder if he/she or it can explain as to how trains climb mountains
and the equipment required ..... oh and the speeds attained
ROTFL
Yes you indeed quite funny. Were you not aware of the Raurimu Spiral,
George? That was built over 120 years ago; but the spiral has lasted
well.
Once again your lack of comprehension leaves you looking like a fool Rich.
The spiral highlights your lack of comprehension of how different building
roads is to building rail.....
You possibly believe road freight (and possible even rail) will go
along Transmission Gully, John O. The spiral does indeed ilustrate the
difference between building for road and for rail - faster rail
between Auckland and Hamilton would need a new route in many places,
but of course the part between the outskirts of Auckland to the Port
would be the hardest to achieve. I hear they are planning a new
transfer hub near Hillcrest - it makes sense.
wtf has Transmission Gully got to do with this thread Rich? Or for that
matter the Raurimu spiral? The spiral gives a bloody good example of why
you don't build railways alongside roads
No it is fine example of starting at each end before you have the whole
route completed and then having to find a cure. Much the same as happens
to-day.
Gordon that is nonsense.
When the spirtal was built it was a logical and expedient solution to a need
for rail in a challenging topography. It was a brilliant solution in fact.
To suggest that it was not planned is rather rude.
Yup. When you ride it in daylight its downright clever where you end up
on the same hillside just a few hundred feet higher.
The entire rail system was built with less than 1 million people in NZ.
They could rebuild it now to be a high speed system 4 times as quick...
Tony
2021-05-01 20:52:23 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every
one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will
cost less than
the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
The only one having wet dreams here is you Rich in your blind support
of Ardern and her Marxist muppets :)
btw I don't pay tax as such being a superanuit...
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would
bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a
fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
Still not gentle enough for rail you fucking idiot. If you want fast
rail you want as few slopes and corners as possible. something I'm not
surprised a fucking idiot like you doesn't have a clue about!
I wonder if he/she or it can explain as to how trains climb mountains
and the equipment required ..... oh and the speeds attained
ROTFL
Yes you indeed quite funny. Were you not aware of the Raurimu Spiral,
George? That was built over 120 years ago; but the spiral has lasted
well.
Once again your lack of comprehension leaves you looking like a fool Rich.
The spiral highlights your lack of comprehension of how different building
roads is to building rail.....
You possibly believe road freight (and possible even rail) will go
along Transmission Gully, John O. The spiral does indeed ilustrate the
difference between building for road and for rail - faster rail
between Auckland and Hamilton would need a new route in many places,
but of course the part between the outskirts of Auckland to the Port
would be the hardest to achieve. I hear they are planning a new
transfer hub near Hillcrest - it makes sense.
wtf has Transmission Gully got to do with this thread Rich? Or for that
matter the Raurimu spiral? The spiral gives a bloody good example of why
you don't build railways alongside roads
No it is fine example of starting at each end before you have the whole
route completed and then having to find a cure. Much the same as happens
to-day.
Gordon that is nonsense.
When the spirtal was built it was a logical and expedient solution to a need
for rail in a challenging topography. It was a brilliant solution in fact.
To suggest that it was not planned is rather rude.
Yup. When you ride it in daylight its downright clever where you end up
on the same hillside just a few hundred feet higher.
The entire rail system was built with less than 1 million people in NZ.
They could rebuild it now to be a high speed system 4 times as quick...
Might have to go to a different guage although I read somewhere that narrow
guage rail can be very fast now. Sorry don't know where that was.
John Bowes
2021-05-01 21:59:06 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every
one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will
cost less than
the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
The only one having wet dreams here is you Rich in your blind support
of Ardern and her Marxist muppets :)
btw I don't pay tax as such being a superanuit...
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would
bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable
for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go
alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a
fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If
they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
Still not gentle enough for rail you fucking idiot. If you want fast
rail you want as few slopes and corners as possible. something I'm not
surprised a fucking idiot like you doesn't have a clue about!
I wonder if he/she or it can explain as to how trains climb mountains
and the equipment required ..... oh and the speeds attained
ROTFL
Yes you indeed quite funny. Were you not aware of the Raurimu Spiral,
George? That was built over 120 years ago; but the spiral has lasted
well.
Once again your lack of comprehension leaves you looking like a fool Rich.
The spiral highlights your lack of comprehension of how different building
roads is to building rail.....
You possibly believe road freight (and possible even rail) will go
along Transmission Gully, John O. The spiral does indeed ilustrate the
difference between building for road and for rail - faster rail
between Auckland and Hamilton would need a new route in many places,
but of course the part between the outskirts of Auckland to the Port
would be the hardest to achieve. I hear they are planning a new
transfer hub near Hillcrest - it makes sense.
wtf has Transmission Gully got to do with this thread Rich? Or for that
matter the Raurimu spiral? The spiral gives a bloody good example of why
you don't build railways alongside roads
No it is fine example of starting at each end before you have the whole
route completed and then having to find a cure. Much the same as happens
to-day.
Gordon that is nonsense.
When the spirtal was built it was a logical and expedient solution to a need
for rail in a challenging topography. It was a brilliant solution in fact.
To suggest that it was not planned is rather rude.
Yup. When you ride it in daylight its downright clever where you end up
on the same hillside just a few hundred feet higher.
The entire rail system was built with less than 1 million people in NZ.
They could rebuild it now to be a high speed system 4 times as quick...
Might have to go to a different guage although I read somewhere that narrow
guage rail can be very fast now. Sorry don't know where that was.
We have narrow gauge railways here. sometimes known as Cape Gauge. It was used because of our mountainous terrain and cheapness to lay.
George Black
2021-05-02 01:47:43 UTC
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Yup. When you ride it in daylight its downright clever where you end up
on the same hillside just a few hundred feet higher.
The entire rail system was built with less than 1 million people in NZ.
They could rebuild it now to be a high speed system 4 times as quick...
Might have to go to a different guage although I read somewhere that narrow
guage rail can be very fast now. Sorry don't know where that was.
Best enlarge the gauge if its going to be rebuilt.
Rich80105
2021-05-02 02:02:47 UTC
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Yup. When you ride it in daylight its downright clever where you end up
on the same hillside just a few hundred feet higher.
The entire rail system was built with less than 1 million people in NZ.
They could rebuild it now to be a high speed system 4 times as quick...
Might have to go to a different guage although I read somewhere that narrow
guage rail can be very fast now. Sorry don't know where that was.
Best enlarge the gauge if its going to be rebuilt.
Multi gauge has been a big problem wherever it occurred - I think
Australia still has more than one gauge. Most important is to have the
line as straight as possible with as gradual inclines as possible, and
to have no level crossings. That is more feasible in some parts of NZ
than others, and running alongside an expressway makes for easy
transfer stations from rail to road or vice-versa, but also relative
ease of construction and maintenance with minimal destruction of
fertile land.
Tony
2021-05-02 03:54:06 UTC
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Yup. When you ride it in daylight its downright clever where you end up
on the same hillside just a few hundred feet higher.
The entire rail system was built with less than 1 million people in NZ.
They could rebuild it now to be a high speed system 4 times as quick...
Might have to go to a different guage although I read somewhere that narrow
guage rail can be very fast now. Sorry don't know where that was.
Best enlarge the gauge if its going to be rebuilt.
Multi gauge has been a big problem wherever it occurred - I think
Australia still has more than one gauge. Most important is to have the
line as straight as possible with as gradual inclines as possible, and
to have no level crossings. That is more feasible in some parts of NZ
than others, and running alongside an expressway makes for easy
transfer stations from rail to road or vice-versa, but also relative
ease of construction and maintenance with minimal destruction of
fertile land.
Assuming the terrain that the expressway is on is suitable.
Clearly not the case with Transmission gully and many other roads.
Rich80105
2021-05-02 05:31:52 UTC
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On Sat, 01 May 2021 22:54:06 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by George Black
Post by Tony
Post by George Black
Yup. When you ride it in daylight its downright clever where you end up
on the same hillside just a few hundred feet higher.
The entire rail system was built with less than 1 million people in NZ.
They could rebuild it now to be a high speed system 4 times as quick...
Might have to go to a different guage although I read somewhere that narrow
guage rail can be very fast now. Sorry don't know where that was.
Best enlarge the gauge if its going to be rebuilt.
Multi gauge has been a big problem wherever it occurred - I think
Australia still has more than one gauge. Most important is to have the
line as straight as possible with as gradual inclines as possible, and
to have no level crossings. That is more feasible in some parts of NZ
than others, and running alongside an expressway makes for easy
transfer stations from rail to road or vice-versa, but also relative
ease of construction and maintenance with minimal destruction of
fertile land.
Assuming the terrain that the expressway is on is suitable.
Clearly not the case with Transmission gully and many other roads.
Exactly - Rail and most trucks will continue to use the current
highway. The Hamilton Expressway is not the same as Transmission
Gully. The Kapiti Expressway has a lot of curves, I suspect to
minimise the cost of land acquisition - there could have been a
combined road rail corridor but I suspect it was not thought of -
double tracking has been implemented from Wellington to Waikanae along
that route - that will be taken further, but it is quite rightly not
highest priority at present - fixing up the botched expressway is
enough cost and disruption for the present!
Mutlley
2021-05-02 03:57:09 UTC
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Yup. When you ride it in daylight its downright clever where you end up
on the same hillside just a few hundred feet higher.
The entire rail system was built with less than 1 million people in NZ.
They could rebuild it now to be a high speed system 4 times as quick...
Might have to go to a different guage although I read somewhere that narrow
guage rail can be very fast now. Sorry don't know where that was.
Best enlarge the gauge if its going to be rebuilt.
Multi gauge has been a big problem wherever it occurred - I think
Australia still has more than one gauge. Most important is to have the
line as straight as possible with as gradual inclines as possible, and
to have no level crossings. That is more feasible in some parts of NZ
than others, and running alongside an expressway makes for easy
transfer stations from rail to road or vice-versa, but also relative
ease of construction and maintenance with minimal destruction of
fertile land.
Australia has 3 gauges but only one interstate gauge of 4'8.5"
standard gauge.
Mutlley
2021-05-02 03:54:53 UTC
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 13:06:49 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 05:23:42 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every
one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will
cost less than
the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
The only one having wet dreams here is you Rich in your blind support
of Ardern and her Marxist muppets :)
btw I don't pay tax as such being a superanuit...
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would
bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable
for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a
fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
Still not gentle enough for rail you fucking idiot. If you want fast
rail you want as few slopes and corners as possible. something I'm not
surprised a fucking idiot like you doesn't have a clue about!
I wonder if he/she or it can explain as to how trains climb mountains
and the equipment required ..... oh and the speeds attained
ROTFL
Yes you indeed quite funny. Were you not aware of the Raurimu Spiral,
George? That was built over 120 years ago; but the spiral has lasted
well.
Once again your lack of comprehension leaves you looking like a fool Rich.
The spiral highlights your lack of comprehension of how different building
roads is to building rail.....
You possibly believe road freight (and possible even rail) will go
along Transmission Gully, John O. The spiral does indeed ilustrate the
difference between building for road and for rail - faster rail
between Auckland and Hamilton would need a new route in many places,
but of course the part between the outskirts of Auckland to the Port
would be the hardest to achieve. I hear they are planning a new
transfer hub near Hillcrest - it makes sense.
wtf has Transmission Gully got to do with this thread Rich? Or for that
matter the Raurimu spiral? The spiral gives a bloody good example of why
you don't build railways alongside roads
No it is fine example of starting at each end before you have the whole
route completed and then having to find a cure. Much the same as happens
to-day.
Gordon that is nonsense.
When the spirtal was built it was a logical and expedient solution to a need
for rail in a challenging topography. It was a brilliant solution in fact.
To suggest that it was not planned is rather rude.
Yup. When you ride it in daylight its downright clever where you end up
on the same hillside just a few hundred feet higher.
The entire rail system was built with less than 1 million people in NZ.
They could rebuild it now to be a high speed system 4 times as quick...
Might have to go to a different guage although I read somewhere that narrow
guage rail can be very fast now. Sorry don't know where that was.
Narrow gauge in Australia (3'6") can do 140 Kph. plus
John Bowes
2021-05-01 21:52:43 UTC
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 05:23:42 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every
one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than
the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
The only one having wet dreams here is you Rich in your blind support
of Ardern and her Marxist muppets :)
btw I don't pay tax as such being a superanuit...
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would
bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable
for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a
fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
Still not gentle enough for rail you fucking idiot. If you want fast
rail you want as few slopes and corners as possible. something I'm not
surprised a fucking idiot like you doesn't have a clue about!
I wonder if he/she or it can explain as to how trains climb mountains
and the equipment required ..... oh and the speeds attained
ROTFL
Yes you indeed quite funny. Were you not aware of the Raurimu Spiral,
George? That was built over 120 years ago; but the spiral has lasted
well.
Once again your lack of comprehension leaves you looking like a fool Rich.
The spiral highlights your lack of comprehension of how different building
roads is to building rail.....
You possibly believe road freight (and possible even rail) will go
along Transmission Gully, John O. The spiral does indeed ilustrate the
difference between building for road and for rail - faster rail
between Auckland and Hamilton would need a new route in many places,
but of course the part between the outskirts of Auckland to the Port
would be the hardest to achieve. I hear they are planning a new
transfer hub near Hillcrest - it makes sense.
wtf has Transmission Gully got to do with this thread Rich? Or for that
matter the Raurimu spiral? The spiral gives a bloody good example of why
you don't build railways alongside roads
No it is fine example of starting at each end before you have the whole
route completed and then having to find a cure. Much the same as happens
to-day.
Gordon that is nonsense.
When the spirtal was built it was a logical and expedient solution to a need
for rail in a challenging topography. It was a brilliant solution in fact.
To suggest that it was not planned is rather rude.
Yup. When you ride it in daylight its downright clever where you end up
on the same hillside just a few hundred feet higher.
The entire rail system was built with less than 1 million people in NZ.
They could rebuild it now to be a high speed system 4 times as quick...
and costing about four times as much as the plan Labour has just canned. At least! :)
Rich80105
2021-05-02 00:45:38 UTC
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 05:23:42 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every
one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than
the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
The only one having wet dreams here is you Rich in your blind support
of Ardern and her Marxist muppets :)
btw I don't pay tax as such being a superanuit...
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would
bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a
fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
Still not gentle enough for rail you fucking idiot. If you want fast
rail you want as few slopes and corners as possible. something I'm not
surprised a fucking idiot like you doesn't have a clue about!
I wonder if he/she or it can explain as to how trains climb mountains
and the equipment required ..... oh and the speeds attained
ROTFL
Yes you indeed quite funny. Were you not aware of the Raurimu Spiral,
George? That was built over 120 years ago; but the spiral has lasted
well.
Once again your lack of comprehension leaves you looking like a fool Rich.
The spiral highlights your lack of comprehension of how different building
roads is to building rail.....
You possibly believe road freight (and possible even rail) will go
along Transmission Gully, John O. The spiral does indeed ilustrate the
difference between building for road and for rail - faster rail
between Auckland and Hamilton would need a new route in many places,
but of course the part between the outskirts of Auckland to the Port
would be the hardest to achieve. I hear they are planning a new
transfer hub near Hillcrest - it makes sense.
wtf has Transmission Gully got to do with this thread Rich? Or for that
matter the Raurimu spiral? The spiral gives a bloody good example of why
you don't build railways alongside roads
No it is fine example of starting at each end before you have the whole
route completed and then having to find a cure. Much the same as happens
to-day.
Gordon that is nonsense.
When the spirtal was built it was a logical and expedient solution to a need
for rail in a challenging topography. It was a brilliant solution in fact.
To suggest that it was not planned is rather rude.
Yup. When you ride it in daylight its downright clever where you end up
on the same hillside just a few hundred feet higher.
The entire rail system was built with less than 1 million people in NZ.
They could rebuild it now to be a high speed system 4 times as quick...
But possibly at (in real terms) many times the price - now a huge cost
is in purchasing land for transport needs - and that as we know has
increased hugely even since National was last in government.

The original bleat from John Bowes was about the government reveiwing
priorities in the light of increased costs, which had changed since
original plans had been made. First Covid has meant that some traffic
is lower, but more importantly the priority being given to housing is
using materials and workforce that may otherwise have been invoved in
roads, and Covid has also given rise to a large increase in government
debt. Doubtless JohnB would like taxes to rise to meet extra spending,
but a responsible government reviews plans when conditions change . .
.
George Black
2021-04-29 22:19:18 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
The only one having wet dreams here is you Rich in your blind support of Ardern and her Marxist muppets :)
btw I don't pay tax as such being a superanuit...
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
Still not gentle enough for rail you fucking idiot. If you want fast rail you want as few slopes and corners as possible. something I'm not surprised a fucking idiot like you doesn't have a clue about!
I wonder if he/she or it can explain as to how trains climb mountains
and the equipment required ..... oh and the speeds attained
ROTFL
Yes you indeed quite funny. Were you not aware of the Raurimu Spiral,
George? That was built over 120 years ago; but the spiral has lasted
well.
Once again your lack of comprehension leaves you looking like a fool Rich. The spiral highlights your lack of comprehension of how different building roads is to building rail.....
He knows nothing of the Spiral.
Brother was a fireman before he joined the Army and I was on the foot
plate a number of times as his 'guest' over that particular section
I was referring to the Rimutukas and the Fell engines (see
https://www.fellmuseum.org.nz/)
Remember I wrote ..... trains climb mountains...... :)
John Bowes
2021-04-30 22:03:02 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
The only one having wet dreams here is you Rich in your blind support of Ardern and her Marxist muppets :)
btw I don't pay tax as such being a superanuit...
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
Still not gentle enough for rail you fucking idiot. If you want fast rail you want as few slopes and corners as possible. something I'm not surprised a fucking idiot like you doesn't have a clue about!
I wonder if he/she or it can explain as to how trains climb mountains
and the equipment required ..... oh and the speeds attained
ROTFL
Yes you indeed quite funny. Were you not aware of the Raurimu Spiral,
George? That was built over 120 years ago; but the spiral has lasted
well.
Once again your lack of comprehension leaves you looking like a fool Rich. The spiral highlights your lack of comprehension of how different building roads is to building rail.....
He knows nothing of the Spiral.
Brother was a fireman before he joined the Army and I was on the foot
plate a number of times as his 'guest' over that particular section
I was referring to the Rimutukas and the Fell engines (see
https://www.fellmuseum.org.nz/)
Remember I wrote ..... trains climb mountains...... :)
They do need a bit of help mate. Much like Rich to stop the fucking idiot digging himself into ever deepening holes while proving just how fucking stupid he is :)
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2021-05-01 09:15:54 UTC
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
The only one having wet dreams here is you Rich in your blind support of Ardern and her Marxist muppets :)
btw I don't pay tax as such being a superanuit...
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Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
Still not gentle enough for rail you fucking idiot. If you want fast rail you want as few slopes and corners as possible. something I'm not surprised a fucking idiot like you doesn't have a clue about!
I wonder if he/she or it can explain as to how trains climb mountains
and the equipment required ..... oh and the speeds attained
ROTFL
Yes you indeed quite funny. Were you not aware of the Raurimu Spiral,
George? That was built over 120 years ago; but the spiral has lasted
well.
Once again your lack of comprehension leaves you looking like a fool Rich. The spiral highlights your lack of comprehension of how different building roads is to building rail.....
He knows nothing of the Spiral.
Brother was a fireman before he joined the Army and I was on the foot
plate a number of times as his 'guest' over that particular section
I was referring to the Rimutukas and the Fell engines (see
https://www.fellmuseum.org.nz/)
Remember I wrote ..... trains climb mountains...... :)
The spiral is more relevant to the discussion; it is certainly one way
of rail climbing mountains. I am aware of the Fell engines - and have
visted and frequently drive past the Museum in Featherson. I have
walked down the path where the Fell Engine operated - a modern train
system would avoid it totally, as would a train system to the
Denniston Plateau - see
https://www.engineeringnz.org/programmes/heritage/heritage-records/denniston-incline/
or https://www.westcoast.co.nz/plan-your-trip/denniston/ or
http://www.denniston.co.nz/history.aspx

You may also be aware of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Hill - I
travelled the Rocky Mountaineer a few years ago; we went back by bus
to see the spiral from the highway. They do the tourism bit quite
well; I don't think there is the same potential for viewing the
Raurimu Spiral.

John Bowes has been brainwashed to believe that Roads are all we will
ever need - but nobody is advocating building another Fell Railway . .
.
John Bowes
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
The only one having wet dreams here is you Rich in your blind support of Ardern and her Marxist muppets :)
btw I don't pay tax as such being a superanuit...
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Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
Still not gentle enough for rail you fucking idiot. If you want fast rail you want as few slopes and corners as possible. something I'm not surprised a fucking idiot like you doesn't have a clue about!
I wonder if he/she or it can explain as to how trains climb mountains
and the equipment required ..... oh and the speeds attained
ROTFL
Yes you indeed quite funny. Were you not aware of the Raurimu Spiral,
George? That was built over 120 years ago; but the spiral has lasted
well.
Once again your lack of comprehension leaves you looking like a fool Rich. The spiral highlights your lack of comprehension of how different building roads is to building rail.....
He knows nothing of the Spiral.
Brother was a fireman before he joined the Army and I was on the foot
plate a number of times as his 'guest' over that particular section
I was referring to the Rimutukas and the Fell engines (see
https://www.fellmuseum.org.nz/)
Remember I wrote ..... trains climb mountains...... :)
<further irrelivent crap snipped>
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John Bowes has been brainwashed to believe that Roads are all we will
ever need - but nobody is advocating building another Fell Railway . .
.
BULLSHIT! I'm a big fan of rail Rich! In fact IF I was ever brainwashed towards a particular form of transport it was RAIL :)
Now get back to the topic which is ANOTHER fucking fail from your glorious Labour party Rich!!!!!
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Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
The only one having wet dreams here is you Rich in your blind support of Ardern and her Marxist muppets :)
This is not a political issue, John. Under National Governments, the
Inland Revenue Department did not build rods either, John - all tehy
do is collect tax!
Post by John Bowes
btw I don't pay tax as such being a superanuit...
Of course you do, John. New Zealand has one of the highest consumption
taxes in the world - introduced with pride by John Key (after
promising he wouldn't increase it). It is in the name, John - Good
sand Services Tax. (In other countries it works a bit differently -
often called VT or Sales Tax). So with everything you buy 15% of the
amount you have paid is collected by the Inland Revenue Department -
but the IRD still don't build roads, John.
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Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
Still not gentle enough for rail you fucking idiot. If you want fast rail you want as few slopes and corners as possible. something I'm not surprised a fucking idiot like you doesn't have a clue about!
Of course it is not - if they had planned rail with teh expressway it
would have had to be in different locations, and yes would have cost
more. Even if they had not built the rail at the same time, planning
for it would have set aside a rail corridor. A huge problem with
achieving better transport (road or rail) is better corridors through
built up areas - lack of ensuring htat thre were adequate transport
corridors in Auckland have given us the current mess.
John Bowes
2021-04-29 03:10:04 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
The only one having wet dreams here is you Rich in your blind support of Ardern and her Marxist muppets :)
This is not a political issue, John. Under National Governments, the
Inland Revenue Department did not build rods either, John - all tehy
do is collect tax!
It's very much a political issue Rich! YOUR useless fucking government made promises yet again that they're backing down on.
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
btw I don't pay tax as such being a superanuit...
Of course you do, John. New Zealand has one of the highest consumption
taxes in the world - introduced with pride by John Key (after
promising he wouldn't increase it). It is in the name, John - Good
sand Services Tax. (In other countries it works a bit differently -
often called VT or Sales Tax). So with everything you buy 15% of the
amount you have paid is collected by the Inland Revenue Department -
but the IRD still don't build roads, John.
Wrong! The money I receive is gathered by IRD through various means. This money gets used for a variety of things from paying exorbitant salarys to MP's to roads, railway lines and assorted other things necessary to keep New Zealand a viable proposition! As a beneficiary of New Zealand's excellent welfare system (no matter what imported overseas activists claim) and as such any "tax"I may pay is only me returning money to IRD that I never paid tax on in the first place!
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Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
Still not gentle enough for rail you fucking idiot. If you want fast rail you want as few slopes and corners as possible. something I'm not surprised a fucking idiot like you doesn't have a clue about!
Of course it is not - if they had planned rail with teh expressway it
would have had to be in different locations, and yes would have cost
more. Even if they had not built the rail at the same time, planning
for it would have set aside a rail corridor. A huge problem with
achieving better transport (road or rail) is better corridors through
built up areas - lack of ensuring htat thre were adequate transport
corridors in Auckland have given us the current mess.
What a load of self serving stupid crap! YOUR fucking government bitched and moaned about Nationals roads of national importance and when they'd bribed Winston to become government canceled most of them. Then three years later they made a promise to spend a shit load of money they didn't have to restart Nationals plan. Now they're going back on yet another policy they promised us!

Hell Rich the way you and the quasi government you voted for seem to fail to understand we're going to need quality roads because even electric cars and hydrogen trucks are going to need them till we enter the Jepson age and have flying cars! Hope I live to see how idiots like you, Ardern and the Greens get them to work with electricity :)
James Christophers
2021-05-01 01:50:44 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
So, setting the yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric to one side, let's move on to the actual heart of the matter:

All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".

So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.

Try this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
John Bowes
2021-05-01 03:17:32 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
James Christophers
2021-05-01 03:51:50 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
And you do nothing about it other than to deliver yet more of your mindless yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric; whereas I have referred you to some background history concerning this impecunious country's shaky, imprecise progress towards updating its long-ailing infrastructure.

Unfulfilled promises from whatever quarter are as much to do with New Zealand's persistent failure to develop any credible long-term structured planning [1] as they are to do with impecunious[2] hand-to-mouth expediency on the part of whatever vote-seeking, bird-of-passage government happens to be taking Buggin's turn at patching and mending.

[1] Why didn't you and your self-satisfied half-pie lotus-eating lot have this sorted once and for all **decades ago**? Inexcusable.

[2] Pernicious per-capita **real** productivity.
James Christophers
2021-05-01 04:03:38 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
And you do nothing about it other than to deliver yet more of your mindless yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric; whereas I have referred you to some background history concerning this impecunious country's shaky, imprecise progress towards updating its long-ailing infrastructure.
Unfulfilled promises from whatever quarter are as much to do with New Zealand's persistent failure to develop any credible long-term structured planning [1] as they are to do with impecunious[2] hand-to-mouth expediency on the part of whatever vote-seeking, bird-of-passage government happens to be taking Buggin's turn at patching and mending.
[1] Why didn't you and your self-satisfied half-pie lotus-eating lot have this sorted once and for all **decades ago**? Inexcusable.
[2] Perniciously low per-capita **real** productivity.
John Bowes
2021-05-01 11:15:37 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
And you do nothing about it other than to deliver yet more of your mindless yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric; whereas I have referred you to some background history concerning this impecunious country's shaky, imprecise progress towards updating its long-ailing infrastructure.
Unfulfilled promises from whatever quarter are as much to do with New Zealand's persistent failure to develop any credible long-term structured planning [1] as they are to do with impecunious[2] hand-to-mouth expediency on the part of whatever vote-seeking, bird-of-passage government happens to be taking Buggin's turn at patching and mending.
[1] Why didn't you and your self-satisfied half-pie lotus-eating lot have this sorted once and for all **decades ago**? Inexcusable.
[2] Pernicious per-capita **real** productivity.
Why don't you stick to the subject posted instead of using 50 words where three or four will do Keith? You're as bad as Rich trying to distract from another fail from Labour! Next you'll be telling me Labour are technocrats not Marxists!
James Christophers
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Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
And you do nothing about it other than to deliver yet more of your mindless yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric; whereas I have referred you to some background history concerning this impecunious country's shaky, imprecise progress towards updating its long-ailing infrastructure.
Unfulfilled promises from whatever quarter are as much to do with New Zealand's persistent failure to develop any credible long-term structured planning [1] as they are to do with impecunious[2] hand-to-mouth expediency on the part of whatever vote-seeking, bird-of-passage government happens to be taking Buggin's turn at patching and mending.
[1] Why didn't you and your self-satisfied half-pie lotus-eating lot have this sorted once and for all **decades ago**? Inexcusable.
[2] Perniciously low per-capita **real** productivity.
Why don't you stick to the subject posted...
I have done precisely that - (note the pivotal word **infrastructure** in your opening URL) - and the fact that you find my references to the sorry history of this country's perniciously inadequate **infrastructure** is not to your liking is entirely down to New Zealanders like you and no-one else.
John Bowes
2021-05-02 06:50:52 UTC
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 05:23:42 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
And you do nothing about it other than to deliver yet more of your mindless yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric; whereas I have referred you to some background history concerning this impecunious country's shaky, imprecise progress towards updating its long-ailing infrastructure.
Unfulfilled promises from whatever quarter are as much to do with New Zealand's persistent failure to develop any credible long-term structured planning [1] as they are to do with impecunious[2] hand-to-mouth expediency on the part of whatever vote-seeking, bird-of-passage government happens to be taking Buggin's turn at patching and mending.
[1] Why didn't you and your self-satisfied half-pie lotus-eating lot have this sorted once and for all **decades ago**? Inexcusable.
[2] Perniciously low per-capita **real** productivity.
Why don't you stick to the subject posted...
I have done precisely that - (note the pivotal word **infrastructure** in your opening URL) - and the fact that you find my references to the sorry history of this country's perniciously inadequate **infrastructure** is not to your liking is entirely down to New Zealanders like you and no-one else.
BULLSHIT! Look at the heading. It has NOTHING to do with your claim and everything to do with yet ANOTHER failure of your glorious leader and her circus!
Now get your fat, hypocritical arse back on topic!
Rich80105
2021-05-02 08:50:01 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Why don't you stick to the subject posted...
I have done precisely that - (note the pivotal word **infrastructure** in your opening URL) - and the fact that you find my references to the sorry history of this country's perniciously inadequate **infrastructure** is not to your liking is entirely down to New Zealanders like you and no-one else.
BULLSHIT! Look at the heading. It has NOTHING to do with your claim and everything to do with yet ANOTHER failure of your glorious leader and her circus!
Now get your fat, hypocritical arse back on topic!
As you are now saying that the url you posted in the Original Post
under this thread is not relevant, I have deleted that reference and
related comment, leaving only part of the two most recent posts.

So to get back to the topic, which you say is nothing to do with
infrastructure, John Bowes, I look to the Subject of the thread.

Could you tell us all what blood you are talking about - has blood
been spilt in whatever ''failure" you are referring to? There was
certainy blood spilt at the Christchurch shootings, but that is
usually seen as a failure of the individual who is not imprisoned, and
of the lax gun laws; the government is seen as having responded well.

So what is the failure you are talking about; you have said it is
nothing to do with infrastructure, so your help is needed to get the
thread back on track, John Bowes - what "bloody failure" are you
referring to?

You use the word "another," implying that there has been a previous
error - can you help there?

Labour usually refers to either the New Zealand Labour Party or to
the Union Movement - I wouldn't want to be off topic, so which were
you referring to, John Bowes?

Finally you referred to hypocrisy - I have not seen any except from
you; and I do think your attempt at fat-shaming is not really
appropriate, and in any event certainly not on topic. Do try to set a
good, or even neutral example in being kind to other posters, John
Bowes - I am sure most would agree that many posters have been very
kind in response to your postings over a considerable period.
John Bowes
2021-05-02 21:45:00 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Why don't you stick to the subject posted...
I have done precisely that - (note the pivotal word **infrastructure** in your opening URL) - and the fact that you find my references to the sorry history of this country's perniciously inadequate **infrastructure** is not to your liking is entirely down to New Zealanders like you and no-one else.
BULLSHIT! Look at the heading. It has NOTHING to do with your claim and everything to do with yet ANOTHER failure of your glorious leader and her circus!
Now get your fat, hypocritical arse back on topic!
As you are now saying that the url you posted in the Original Post
under this thread is not relevant, I have deleted that reference and
related comment, leaving only part of the two most recent posts.
Bullshit! Just your and Keith's silly fucking attempts to hijack the thread and shovel another Labour failure under the fucking carpet!
Post by Rich80105
So to get back to the topic, which you say is nothing to do with
infrastructure, John Bowes, I look to the Subject of the thread.
Yet fail to comprehend. Or should that be refuse to comprehend because it tells the truth about your useless, corrupt and Marxist Labour party!
<further irrelevance and proof of Rich's fucking stupidity snipped>
James Christophers
2021-05-03 01:17:07 UTC
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 05:23:42 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
And you do nothing about it other than to deliver yet more of your mindless yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric; whereas I have referred you to some background history concerning this impecunious country's shaky, imprecise progress towards updating its long-ailing infrastructure.
Unfulfilled promises from whatever quarter are as much to do with New Zealand's persistent failure to develop any credible long-term structured planning [1] as they are to do with impecunious[2] hand-to-mouth expediency on the part of whatever vote-seeking, bird-of-passage government happens to be taking Buggin's turn at patching and mending.
[1] Why didn't you and your self-satisfied half-pie lotus-eating lot have this sorted once and for all **decades ago**? Inexcusable.
[2] Perniciously low per-capita **real** productivity.
Why don't you stick to the subject posted...
I have done precisely that - (note the pivotal word **infrastructure** in your opening URL) - and the fact that you find my references to the sorry history of this country's perniciously inadequate **infrastructure** is not to your liking is entirely down to New Zealanders like you and no-one else.
BULLSHIT! Look at the heading. It has NOTHING to do with your claim...
I make no such claim. I merely give the facts of the matter that you as typical recalcitrant-in-denial can never countenance let alone ever have the guts honestly to confront.

Ever since the day you were conceived, you, a born New Zealander, have been and will always be, intrinsic to every one of your governments' policy and implementation failures.

Narrowing this down to New Zealand's chronic failings in infrastructure - **the very nub of your topic**, these failures have been 100% down to a decades-long history of always-behind-never-ahead policies[1].

You, a born New Zealander, have lived through this history. You, a born New Zealander, have therefore been, and continue to be, both an intrinsic part and participant in this same catch-up-and-make-do-and-mend pathology - much of it also a major cause of New Zealand's **failure to pay its way in the world** for the past 50 years and more.

So, continue by all means to whinge and bicker and deny and insult as is your self-demeaning way, but know that in-denial people like you are never going to change a history throughout which this nation's policy failings have included you, and continue to include you, John Bowes, aa bullshitting participant and uncomprehending (your word!) net **debtor**.

[1] Inadequate competence in vision, planning, and execution.
John Bowes
2021-05-03 05:13:21 UTC
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 05:23:42 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
And you do nothing about it other than to deliver yet more of your mindless yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric; whereas I have referred you to some background history concerning this impecunious country's shaky, imprecise progress towards updating its long-ailing infrastructure.
Unfulfilled promises from whatever quarter are as much to do with New Zealand's persistent failure to develop any credible long-term structured planning [1] as they are to do with impecunious[2] hand-to-mouth expediency on the part of whatever vote-seeking, bird-of-passage government happens to be taking Buggin's turn at patching and mending.
[1] Why didn't you and your self-satisfied half-pie lotus-eating lot have this sorted once and for all **decades ago**? Inexcusable.
[2] Perniciously low per-capita **real** productivity.
Why don't you stick to the subject posted...
I have done precisely that - (note the pivotal word **infrastructure** in your opening URL) - and the fact that you find my references to the sorry history of this country's perniciously inadequate **infrastructure** is not to your liking is entirely down to New Zealanders like you and no-one else.
BULLSHIT! Look at the heading. It has NOTHING to do with your claim...
I make no such claim. I merely give the facts of the matter that you as typical recalcitrant-in-denial can never countenance let alone ever have the guts honestly to confront.
Ever since the day you were conceived, you, a born New Zealander, have been and will always be, intrinsic to every one of your governments' policy and implementation failures.
Narrowing this down to New Zealand's chronic failings in infrastructure - **the very nub of your topic**, these failures have been 100% down to a decades-long history of always-behind-never-ahead policies[1].
You, a born New Zealander, have lived through this history. You, a born New Zealander, have therefore been, and continue to be, both an intrinsic part and participant in this same catch-up-and-make-do-and-mend pathology - much of it also a major cause of New Zealand's **failure to pay its way in the world** for the past 50 years and more.
So, continue by all means to whinge and bicker and deny and insult as is your self-demeaning way, but know that in-denial people like you are never going to change a history throughout which this nation's policy failings have included you, and continue to include you, John Bowes, aa bullshitting participant and uncomprehending (your word!) net **debtor**.
[1] Inadequate competence in vision, planning, and execution.
Stop avoiding Labour failing to follow through on a promise/policy yet again! So for once in your useless life stick to the topic and stop behaving like a childish twit! You know what Labour have done is another failure even though you avoid admitting it like the hopeless and useless trolling twit you are!
James Christophers
2021-05-03 22:30:13 UTC
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 05:23:42 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
And you do nothing about it other than to deliver yet more of your mindless yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric; whereas I have referred you to some background history concerning this impecunious country's shaky, imprecise progress towards updating its long-ailing infrastructure.
Unfulfilled promises from whatever quarter are as much to do with New Zealand's persistent failure to develop any credible long-term structured planning [1] as they are to do with impecunious[2] hand-to-mouth expediency on the part of whatever vote-seeking, bird-of-passage government happens to be taking Buggin's turn at patching and mending.
[1] Why didn't you and your self-satisfied half-pie lotus-eating lot have this sorted once and for all **decades ago**? Inexcusable.
[2] Perniciously low per-capita **real** productivity.
Why don't you stick to the subject posted...
I have done precisely that - (note the pivotal word **infrastructure** in your opening URL) - and the fact that you find my references to the sorry history of this country's perniciously inadequate **infrastructure** is not to your liking is entirely down to New Zealanders like you and no-one else.
BULLSHIT! Look at the heading. It has NOTHING to do with your claim...
I make no such claim. I merely give the facts of the matter that you as typical recalcitrant-in-denial can never countenance let alone ever have the guts honestly to confront.
Ever since the day you were conceived, you, a born New Zealander, have been and will always be, intrinsic to every one of your governments' policy and implementation failures.
Narrowing this down to New Zealand's chronic failings in infrastructure - **the very nub of your topic**, these failures have been 100% down to a decades-long history of always-behind-never-ahead policies[1].
You, a born New Zealander, have lived through this history. You, a born New Zealander, have therefore been, and continue to be, both an intrinsic part and participant in this same catch-up-and-make-do-and-mend pathology - much of it also a major cause of New Zealand's **failure to pay its way in the world** for the past 50 years and more.
So, continue by all means to whinge and bicker and deny and insult as is your self-demeaning way, but know that in-denial people like you are never going to change a history throughout which this nation's policy failings have included you, and continue to include you, John Bowes, aa bullshitting participant and uncomprehending (your word!) net **debtor**.
[1] Inadequate competence in vision, planning, and execution.
Stop avoiding Labour failing to follow through on a promise/policy yet again!
The current government is simply taking Buggins turn in an unbroken 50-year continuum of failure to keep abreast of infrastructure requirements. Key's government was no better in this regard, and the same goes for Clark's. This same failure to deliver on infrastructure goes all the way back to 1975 or thereabouts. The evidence is before you and every overseas visitor everywhere you look.

Those succeeding Ardern and her lot will likewise do no better until one core requirement is met: that infrastructure development shall always be planned and executed ahead of **real per-capita productivity**. Real-value investment.

This requirement can never be met until the **value** of investment in real-value productivity exceeds the **value** of investment in zero-value productivity. Put bluntly, Kiwis as a whole need to produce way more real-value work with that real-wealth earned remaining in their own country to be **productively** re-invested in their nation's real-productivity economy. It's called earning your keep while inculcating wider and ever-increasing expectations and ambitions in the generations to follow.

Every time another parasitic café opens, I die a little.
Rich80105
2021-05-04 01:11:35 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 05:23:42 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
And you do nothing about it other than to deliver yet more of your mindless yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric; whereas I have referred you to some background history concerning this impecunious country's shaky, imprecise progress towards updating its long-ailing infrastructure.
Unfulfilled promises from whatever quarter are as much to do with New Zealand's persistent failure to develop any credible long-term structured planning [1] as they are to do with impecunious[2] hand-to-mouth expediency on the part of whatever vote-seeking, bird-of-passage government happens to be taking Buggin's turn at patching and mending.
[1] Why didn't you and your self-satisfied half-pie lotus-eating lot have this sorted once and for all **decades ago**? Inexcusable.
[2] Perniciously low per-capita **real** productivity.
Why don't you stick to the subject posted...
I have done precisely that - (note the pivotal word **infrastructure** in your opening URL) - and the fact that you find my references to the sorry history of this country's perniciously inadequate **infrastructure** is not to your liking is entirely down to New Zealanders like you and no-one else.
BULLSHIT! Look at the heading. It has NOTHING to do with your claim...
I make no such claim. I merely give the facts of the matter that you as typical recalcitrant-in-denial can never countenance let alone ever have the guts honestly to confront.
Ever since the day you were conceived, you, a born New Zealander, have been and will always be, intrinsic to every one of your governments' policy and implementation failures.
Narrowing this down to New Zealand's chronic failings in infrastructure - **the very nub of your topic**, these failures have been 100% down to a decades-long history of always-behind-never-ahead policies[1].
You, a born New Zealander, have lived through this history. You, a born New Zealander, have therefore been, and continue to be, both an intrinsic part and participant in this same catch-up-and-make-do-and-mend pathology - much of it also a major cause of New Zealand's **failure to pay its way in the world** for the past 50 years and more.
So, continue by all means to whinge and bicker and deny and insult as is your self-demeaning way, but know that in-denial people like you are never going to change a history throughout which this nation's policy failings have included you, and continue to include you, John Bowes, aa bullshitting participant and uncomprehending (your word!) net **debtor**.
[1] Inadequate competence in vision, planning, and execution.
Stop avoiding Labour failing to follow through on a promise/policy yet again!
The current government is simply taking Buggins turn in an unbroken 50-year continuum of failure to keep abreast of infrastructure requirements. Key's government was no better in this regard, and the same goes for Clark's. This same failure to deliver on infrastructure goes all the way back to 1975 or thereabouts. The evidence is before you and every overseas visitor everywhere you look.
Those succeeding Ardern and her lot will likewise do no better until one core requirement is met: that infrastructure development shall always be planned and executed ahead of **real per-capita productivity**. Real-value investment.
Cities have been dominated, to a greater extent than central
government, by voters choosing the candidates who promised to get
rates down. Monuments to mayors are best seen in stadiums and new Town
Halls; nobody sees the inadequacies of waste water, sewage and clean
water reticulation - so many cities are up to top debt levels and are
now asking central government to help.

Historically freight was sent by sea then distributed by rail, but
little new rail was built post WW2 - the road freight industry
captured the National Party; privatisation of rail was a disaster. The
intercity road network started to need work, but importantly highways
through towns and cities became an area where cities could demand
money from central government - or frustrate links though cities
through being uncooperative. Now Auckland is a mess of motorways with
inadequate rail.

Unrestricted immigration has highlighted the lack of joined up
thinking about provision of clean water and renewal of sewage and
waste water systems. In Canterbury, farmers interests led to the
government sacking elected officials; I understand Christchurch water
costs a lot more than previously to be able to be used for drinking .
. . In some areas, water problems are too big for local councils, and
water trucks are becoming a feature of life in some areas.

Now however it is all coming together with the costs of the Covid
pandemic - which is far from over; competing for resources; and lack
of investment in housing, education, health also becoming clearer. The
current government has been too timid in promising not to increase
taxes, and property owners are the only ones delighted; followed
closely by the building supply industry which continues to export logs
and now cannot supply cut timber. I tis hard to build anything without
building supplies . . .
Post by James Christophers
This requirement can never be met until the **value** of investment in real-value productivity exceeds the **value** of investment in zero-value productivity. Put bluntly, Kiwis as a whole need to produce way more real-value work with that real-wealth earned remaining in their own country to be **productively** re-invested in their nation's real-productivity economy. It's called earning your keep while inculcating wider and ever-increasing expectations and ambitions in the generations to follow.
Every time another parasitic café opens, I die a little.
James Christophers
2021-05-04 03:47:19 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
And you do nothing about it other than to deliver yet more of your mindless yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric; whereas I have referred you to some background history concerning this impecunious country's shaky, imprecise progress towards updating its long-ailing infrastructure.
Unfulfilled promises from whatever quarter are as much to do with New Zealand's persistent failure to develop any credible long-term structured planning [1] as they are to do with impecunious[2] hand-to-mouth expediency on the part of whatever vote-seeking, bird-of-passage government happens to be taking Buggin's turn at patching and mending.
[1] Why didn't you and your self-satisfied half-pie lotus-eating lot have this sorted once and for all **decades ago**? Inexcusable.
[2] Perniciously low per-capita **real** productivity.
Why don't you stick to the subject posted...
I have done precisely that - (note the pivotal word **infrastructure** in your opening URL) - and the fact that you find my references to the sorry history of this country's perniciously inadequate **infrastructure** is not to your liking is entirely down to New Zealanders like you and no-one else.
BULLSHIT! Look at the heading. It has NOTHING to do with your claim...
I make no such claim. I merely give the facts of the matter that you as typical recalcitrant-in-denial can never countenance let alone ever have the guts honestly to confront.
Ever since the day you were conceived, you, a born New Zealander, have been and will always be, intrinsic to every one of your governments' policy and implementation failures.
Narrowing this down to New Zealand's chronic failings in infrastructure - **the very nub of your topic**, these failures have been 100% down to a decades-long history of always-behind-never-ahead policies[1].
You, a born New Zealander, have lived through this history. You, a born New Zealander, have therefore been, and continue to be, both an intrinsic part and participant in this same catch-up-and-make-do-and-mend pathology - much of it also a major cause of New Zealand's **failure to pay its way in the world** for the past 50 years and more.
So, continue by all means to whinge and bicker and deny and insult as is your self-demeaning way, but know that in-denial people like you are never going to change a history throughout which this nation's policy failings have included you, and continue to include you, John Bowes, aa bullshitting participant and uncomprehending (your word!) net **debtor**.
[1] Inadequate competence in vision, planning, and execution.
Stop avoiding Labour failing to follow through on a promise/policy yet again!
The current government is simply taking Buggins turn in an unbroken 50-year continuum of failure to keep abreast of infrastructure requirements. Key's government was no better in this regard, and the same goes for Clark's. This same failure to deliver on infrastructure goes all the way back to 1975 or thereabouts. The evidence is before you and every overseas visitor everywhere you look.
Those succeeding Ardern and her lot will likewise do no better until one core requirement is met: that infrastructure development shall always be planned and executed ahead of **real per-capita productivity**. Real-value investment.
Cities have been dominated, to a greater extent than central
government, by voters choosing the candidates who promised to get
rates down.
IOW, to cease and desist forthwith from wasting ratepayers money on zero-productivity expenditure.
Post by Rich80105
Monuments to mayors are best seen in stadiums and new Town
Halls; nobody sees the inadequacies of waste water, sewage and clean
water reticulation - so many cities are up to top debt levels and are
now asking central government to help.
Q: Why are there no monuments to accountants? A: But there are, and they are legion: failed companies, failed city administrations and failed banks bailed out every single time by the nations' tax-earners.
Post by Rich80105
Historically freight was sent by sea then distributed by rail, but
little new rail was built post WW2 - the road freight industry
captured the National Party; privatisation of rail was a disaster. The
intercity road network started to need work, but importantly highways
through towns and cities became an area where cities could demand
money from central government - or frustrate links though cities
through being uncooperative. Now Auckland is a mess of motorways with
inadequate rail.
Again, pointedly symptomatic of the endemic problems I've prevously outlined.

Ever noticed that the moment a crisis threatens trade, it's the economically parasitic zero-productivity café owner who's consulted as spokesman for all New Zealand business? A thinbrained, superficial, coochie-coo partnership if ever there were.
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Post by James Christophers
This requirement can never be met until the **value** of investment in real-value productivity exceeds the **value** of investment in zero-value productivity. Put bluntly, Kiwis as a whole need to produce way more real-value work with that real-wealth earned remaining in their own country to be **productively** re-invested in their nation's real-productivity economy. It's called earning your keep while inculcating wider and ever-increasing expectations and ambitions in the generations to follow.
Every time another parasitic café opens, I die a little.
NCEA should be abolished tomorrow at 9.00am in favour of the a system enjoying international standing - IOW, the Oxford/Cambridge model. Only then would be have n honestl and genuinely educated workforce and a chance of turning things round.
John Bowes
2021-05-04 04:18:29 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
And you do nothing about it other than to deliver yet more of your mindless yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric; whereas I have referred you to some background history concerning this impecunious country's shaky, imprecise progress towards updating its long-ailing infrastructure.
Unfulfilled promises from whatever quarter are as much to do with New Zealand's persistent failure to develop any credible long-term structured planning [1] as they are to do with impecunious[2] hand-to-mouth expediency on the part of whatever vote-seeking, bird-of-passage government happens to be taking Buggin's turn at patching and mending.
[1] Why didn't you and your self-satisfied half-pie lotus-eating lot have this sorted once and for all **decades ago**? Inexcusable.
[2] Perniciously low per-capita **real** productivity.
Why don't you stick to the subject posted...
I have done precisely that - (note the pivotal word **infrastructure** in your opening URL) - and the fact that you find my references to the sorry history of this country's perniciously inadequate **infrastructure** is not to your liking is entirely down to New Zealanders like you and no-one else.
BULLSHIT! Look at the heading. It has NOTHING to do with your claim...
I make no such claim. I merely give the facts of the matter that you as typical recalcitrant-in-denial can never countenance let alone ever have the guts honestly to confront.
Ever since the day you were conceived, you, a born New Zealander, have been and will always be, intrinsic to every one of your governments' policy and implementation failures.
Narrowing this down to New Zealand's chronic failings in infrastructure - **the very nub of your topic**, these failures have been 100% down to a decades-long history of always-behind-never-ahead policies[1].
You, a born New Zealander, have lived through this history. You, a born New Zealander, have therefore been, and continue to be, both an intrinsic part and participant in this same catch-up-and-make-do-and-mend pathology - much of it also a major cause of New Zealand's **failure to pay its way in the world** for the past 50 years and more.
So, continue by all means to whinge and bicker and deny and insult as is your self-demeaning way, but know that in-denial people like you are never going to change a history throughout which this nation's policy failings have included you, and continue to include you, John Bowes, aa bullshitting participant and uncomprehending (your word!) net **debtor**.
[1] Inadequate competence in vision, planning, and execution.
Stop avoiding Labour failing to follow through on a promise/policy yet again!
The current government is simply taking Buggins turn in an unbroken 50-year continuum of failure to keep abreast of infrastructure requirements. Key's government was no better in this regard, and the same goes for Clark's. This same failure to deliver on infrastructure goes all the way back to 1975 or thereabouts. The evidence is before you and every overseas visitor everywhere you look.
No they're not Keith! They made promises on several occasions about the work on infrastructure in the lead up to last election and have now gone back on it and you know it!
James Christophers
2021-05-04 06:16:00 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
And you do nothing about it other than to deliver yet more of your mindless yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric; whereas I have referred you to some background history concerning this impecunious country's shaky, imprecise progress towards updating its long-ailing infrastructure.
Unfulfilled promises from whatever quarter are as much to do with New Zealand's persistent failure to develop any credible long-term structured planning [1] as they are to do with impecunious[2] hand-to-mouth expediency on the part of whatever vote-seeking, bird-of-passage government happens to be taking Buggin's turn at patching and mending.
[1] Why didn't you and your self-satisfied half-pie lotus-eating lot have this sorted once and for all **decades ago**? Inexcusable.
[2] Perniciously low per-capita **real** productivity.
Why don't you stick to the subject posted...
I have done precisely that - (note the pivotal word **infrastructure** in your opening URL) - and the fact that you find my references to the sorry history of this country's perniciously inadequate **infrastructure** is not to your liking is entirely down to New Zealanders like you and no-one else.
BULLSHIT! Look at the heading. It has NOTHING to do with your claim...
I make no such claim. I merely give the facts of the matter that you as typical recalcitrant-in-denial can never countenance let alone ever have the guts honestly to confront.
Ever since the day you were conceived, you, a born New Zealander, have been and will always be, intrinsic to every one of your governments' policy and implementation failures.
Narrowing this down to New Zealand's chronic failings in infrastructure - **the very nub of your topic**, these failures have been 100% down to a decades-long history of always-behind-never-ahead policies[1].
You, a born New Zealander, have lived through this history. You, a born New Zealander, have therefore been, and continue to be, both an intrinsic part and participant in this same catch-up-and-make-do-and-mend pathology - much of it also a major cause of New Zealand's **failure to pay its way in the world** for the past 50 years and more.
So, continue by all means to whinge and bicker and deny and insult as is your self-demeaning way, but know that in-denial people like you are never going to change a history throughout which this nation's policy failings have included you, and continue to include you, John Bowes, aa bullshitting participant and uncomprehending (your word!) net **debtor**.
[1] Inadequate competence in vision, planning, and execution.
Stop avoiding Labour failing to follow through on a promise/policy yet again!
The current government is simply taking Buggins turn in an unbroken 50-year continuum of failure to keep abreast of infrastructure requirements. Key's government was no better in this regard, and the same goes for Clark's. This same failure to deliver on infrastructure goes all the way back to 1975 or thereabouts. The evidence is before you and every overseas visitor everywhere you look.
No they're not Keith!
In which case, at a stroke you both dismiss and disavow your own country's economic record over the past 50 years.
Post by John Bowes
They made promises on several occasions about the work on infrastructure in the lead up to last election and have now gone back on it and you know it!
That's right, as you say, they've done both and and I couldn't care less about it either. Whereas you have squandered a lot of time identifying yourself as the dupe who has voluntarily swallowed as gospel everything Labour said they could achieve - IOW, you've successfully proved yourself more gullible than most, while at the same time showing yourself infinitely more susceptible to your own born-loser prejudices than anyone with any born wit would even think of doing.
John Bowes
2021-05-04 21:21:52 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
And you do nothing about it other than to deliver yet more of your mindless yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric; whereas I have referred you to some background history concerning this impecunious country's shaky, imprecise progress towards updating its long-ailing infrastructure.
Unfulfilled promises from whatever quarter are as much to do with New Zealand's persistent failure to develop any credible long-term structured planning [1] as they are to do with impecunious[2] hand-to-mouth expediency on the part of whatever vote-seeking, bird-of-passage government happens to be taking Buggin's turn at patching and mending.
[1] Why didn't you and your self-satisfied half-pie lotus-eating lot have this sorted once and for all **decades ago**? Inexcusable.
[2] Perniciously low per-capita **real** productivity.
Why don't you stick to the subject posted...
I have done precisely that - (note the pivotal word **infrastructure** in your opening URL) - and the fact that you find my references to the sorry history of this country's perniciously inadequate **infrastructure** is not to your liking is entirely down to New Zealanders like you and no-one else.
BULLSHIT! Look at the heading. It has NOTHING to do with your claim...
I make no such claim. I merely give the facts of the matter that you as typical recalcitrant-in-denial can never countenance let alone ever have the guts honestly to confront.
Ever since the day you were conceived, you, a born New Zealander, have been and will always be, intrinsic to every one of your governments' policy and implementation failures.
Narrowing this down to New Zealand's chronic failings in infrastructure - **the very nub of your topic**, these failures have been 100% down to a decades-long history of always-behind-never-ahead policies[1].
You, a born New Zealander, have lived through this history. You, a born New Zealander, have therefore been, and continue to be, both an intrinsic part and participant in this same catch-up-and-make-do-and-mend pathology - much of it also a major cause of New Zealand's **failure to pay its way in the world** for the past 50 years and more.
So, continue by all means to whinge and bicker and deny and insult as is your self-demeaning way, but know that in-denial people like you are never going to change a history throughout which this nation's policy failings have included you, and continue to include you, John Bowes, aa bullshitting participant and uncomprehending (your word!) net **debtor**.
[1] Inadequate competence in vision, planning, and execution.
Stop avoiding Labour failing to follow through on a promise/policy yet again!
The current government is simply taking Buggins turn in an unbroken 50-year continuum of failure to keep abreast of infrastructure requirements. Key's government was no better in this regard, and the same goes for Clark's. This same failure to deliver on infrastructure goes all the way back to 1975 or thereabouts. The evidence is before you and every overseas visitor everywhere you look.
No they're not Keith!
In which case, at a stroke you both dismiss and disavow your own country's economic record over the past 50 years.
Post by John Bowes
They made promises on several occasions about the work on infrastructure in the lead up to last election and have now gone back on it and you know it!
That's right, as you say, they've done both and and I couldn't care less about it either. Whereas you have squandered a lot of time identifying yourself as the dupe who has voluntarily swallowed as gospel everything Labour said they could achieve - IOW, you've successfully proved yourself more gullible than most, while at the same time showing yourself infinitely more susceptible to your own born-loser prejudices than anyone with any born wit would even think of doing.
You couldn't care less? Don't be bloody stupid Keith! Your long winded and pointless posts avoiding the failure of Labour tell me your just a stupid. lying fucking troll!
Labour have failed yet again!!!
James Christophers
2021-05-04 22:31:22 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
And you do nothing about it other than to deliver yet more of your mindless yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric; whereas I have referred you to some background history concerning this impecunious country's shaky, imprecise progress towards updating its long-ailing infrastructure.
Unfulfilled promises from whatever quarter are as much to do with New Zealand's persistent failure to develop any credible long-term structured planning [1] as they are to do with impecunious[2] hand-to-mouth expediency on the part of whatever vote-seeking, bird-of-passage government happens to be taking Buggin's turn at patching and mending.
[1] Why didn't you and your self-satisfied half-pie lotus-eating lot have this sorted once and for all **decades ago**? Inexcusable.
[2] Perniciously low per-capita **real** productivity.
Why don't you stick to the subject posted...
I have done precisely that - (note the pivotal word **infrastructure** in your opening URL) - and the fact that you find my references to the sorry history of this country's perniciously inadequate **infrastructure** is not to your liking is entirely down to New Zealanders like you and no-one else.
BULLSHIT! Look at the heading. It has NOTHING to do with your claim...
I make no such claim. I merely give the facts of the matter that you as typical recalcitrant-in-denial can never countenance let alone ever have the guts honestly to confront.
Ever since the day you were conceived, you, a born New Zealander, have been and will always be, intrinsic to every one of your governments' policy and implementation failures.
Narrowing this down to New Zealand's chronic failings in infrastructure - **the very nub of your topic**, these failures have been 100% down to a decades-long history of always-behind-never-ahead policies[1].
You, a born New Zealander, have lived through this history. You, a born New Zealander, have therefore been, and continue to be, both an intrinsic part and participant in this same catch-up-and-make-do-and-mend pathology - much of it also a major cause of New Zealand's **failure to pay its way in the world** for the past 50 years and more.
So, continue by all means to whinge and bicker and deny and insult as is your self-demeaning way, but know that in-denial people like you are never going to change a history throughout which this nation's policy failings have included you, and continue to include you, John Bowes, aa bullshitting participant and uncomprehending (your word!) net **debtor**.
[1] Inadequate competence in vision, planning, and execution.
Stop avoiding Labour failing to follow through on a promise/policy yet again!
The current government is simply taking Buggins turn in an unbroken 50-year continuum of failure to keep abreast of infrastructure requirements. Key's government was no better in this regard, and the same goes for Clark's. This same failure to deliver on infrastructure goes all the way back to 1975 or thereabouts. The evidence is before you and every overseas visitor everywhere you look.
No they're not Keith!
In which case, at a stroke you both dismiss and disavow your own country's economic record over the past 50 years.
Post by John Bowes
They made promises on several occasions about the work on infrastructure in the lead up to last election and have now gone back on it and you know it!
That's right, as you say, they've done both and and I couldn't care less about it either. Whereas you have squandered a lot of time identifying yourself as the dupe who has voluntarily swallowed as gospel everything Labour said they could achieve - IOW, you've successfully proved yourself more gullible than most, while at the same time showing yourself infinitely more susceptible to your own born-loser prejudices than anyone with any born wit would even think of doing.
You couldn't care less?
Correct.
Post by John Bowes
Labour have failed yet again!!!
Mmmm...three exclamation marks. You sound impressed.
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2021-05-05 00:09:50 UTC
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
And you do nothing about it other than to deliver yet more of your mindless yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric; whereas I have referred you to some background history concerning this impecunious country's shaky, imprecise progress towards updating its long-ailing infrastructure.
Unfulfilled promises from whatever quarter are as much to do with New Zealand's persistent failure to develop any credible long-term structured planning [1] as they are to do with impecunious[2] hand-to-mouth expediency on the part of whatever vote-seeking, bird-of-passage government happens to be taking Buggin's turn at patching and mending.
[1] Why didn't you and your self-satisfied half-pie lotus-eating lot have this sorted once and for all **decades ago**? Inexcusable.
[2] Perniciously low per-capita **real** productivity.
Why don't you stick to the subject posted...
I have done precisely that - (note the pivotal word **infrastructure** in your opening URL) - and the fact that you find my references to the sorry history of this country's perniciously inadequate **infrastructure** is not to your liking is entirely down to New Zealanders like you and no-one else.
BULLSHIT! Look at the heading. It has NOTHING to do with your claim...
I make no such claim. I merely give the facts of the matter that you as typical recalcitrant-in-denial can never countenance let alone ever have the guts honestly to confront.
Ever since the day you were conceived, you, a born New Zealander, have been and will always be, intrinsic to every one of your governments' policy and implementation failures.
Narrowing this down to New Zealand's chronic failings in infrastructure - **the very nub of your topic**, these failures have been 100% down to a decades-long history of always-behind-never-ahead policies[1].
You, a born New Zealander, have lived through this history. You, a born New Zealander, have therefore been, and continue to be, both an intrinsic part and participant in this same catch-up-and-make-do-and-mend pathology - much of it also a major cause of New Zealand's **failure to pay its way in the world** for the past 50 years and more.
So, continue by all means to whinge and bicker and deny and insult as is your self-demeaning way, but know that in-denial people like you are never going to change a history throughout which this nation's policy failings have included you, and continue to include you, John Bowes, aa bullshitting participant and uncomprehending (your word!) net **debtor**.
[1] Inadequate competence in vision, planning, and execution.
Stop avoiding Labour failing to follow through on a promise/policy yet again!
The current government is simply taking Buggins turn in an unbroken 50-year continuum of failure to keep abreast of infrastructure requirements. Key's government was no better in this regard, and the same goes for Clark's. This same failure to deliver on infrastructure goes all the way back to 1975 or thereabouts. The evidence is before you and every overseas visitor everywhere you look.
No they're not Keith!
In which case, at a stroke you both dismiss and disavow your own country's economic record over the past 50 years.
Post by John Bowes
They made promises on several occasions about the work on infrastructure in the lead up to last election and have now gone back on it and you know it!
That's right, as you say, they've done both and and I couldn't care less about it either. Whereas you have squandered a lot of time identifying yourself as the dupe who has voluntarily swallowed as gospel everything Labour said they could achieve - IOW, you've successfully proved yourself more gullible than most, while at the same time showing yourself infinitely more susceptible to your own born-loser prejudices than anyone with any born wit would even think of doing.
You couldn't care less?
Correct.
Post by John Bowes
Labour have failed yet again!!!
Mmmm...three exclamation marks. You sound impressed.
I'm almost as impressed with Labour's stupidity as I am with yours Keith. I'm not trying to start a competition here..................
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2021-05-05 02:07:00 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
And you do nothing about it other than to deliver yet more of your mindless yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric; whereas I have referred you to some background history concerning this impecunious country's shaky, imprecise progress towards updating its long-ailing infrastructure.
Unfulfilled promises from whatever quarter are as much to do with New Zealand's persistent failure to develop any credible long-term structured planning [1] as they are to do with impecunious[2] hand-to-mouth expediency on the part of whatever vote-seeking, bird-of-passage government happens to be taking Buggin's turn at patching and mending.
[1] Why didn't you and your self-satisfied half-pie lotus-eating lot have this sorted once and for all **decades ago**? Inexcusable.
[2] Perniciously low per-capita **real** productivity.
Why don't you stick to the subject posted...
I have done precisely that - (note the pivotal word **infrastructure** in your opening URL) - and the fact that you find my references to the sorry history of this country's perniciously inadequate **infrastructure** is not to your liking is entirely down to New Zealanders like you and no-one else.
BULLSHIT! Look at the heading. It has NOTHING to do with your claim...
I make no such claim. I merely give the facts of the matter that you as typical recalcitrant-in-denial can never countenance let alone ever have the guts honestly to confront.
Ever since the day you were conceived, you, a born New Zealander, have been and will always be, intrinsic to every one of your governments' policy and implementation failures.
Narrowing this down to New Zealand's chronic failings in infrastructure - **the very nub of your topic**, these failures have been 100% down to a decades-long history of always-behind-never-ahead policies[1].
You, a born New Zealander, have lived through this history. You, a born New Zealander, have therefore been, and continue to be, both an intrinsic part and participant in this same catch-up-and-make-do-and-mend pathology - much of it also a major cause of New Zealand's **failure to pay its way in the world** for the past 50 years and more.
So, continue by all means to whinge and bicker and deny and insult as is your self-demeaning way, but know that in-denial people like you are never going to change a history throughout which this nation's policy failings have included you, and continue to include you, John Bowes, aa bullshitting participant and uncomprehending (your word!) net **debtor**.
[1] Inadequate competence in vision, planning, and execution.
Stop avoiding Labour failing to follow through on a promise/policy yet again!
The current government is simply taking Buggins turn in an unbroken 50-year continuum of failure to keep abreast of infrastructure requirements. Key's government was no better in this regard, and the same goes for Clark's. This same failure to deliver on infrastructure goes all the way back to 1975 or thereabouts. The evidence is before you and every overseas visitor everywhere you look.
No they're not Keith!
In which case, at a stroke you both dismiss and disavow your own country's economic record over the past 50 years.
Post by John Bowes
They made promises on several occasions about the work on infrastructure in the lead up to last election and have now gone back on it and you know it!
That's right, as you say, they've done both and and I couldn't care less about it either. Whereas you have squandered a lot of time identifying yourself as the dupe who has voluntarily swallowed as gospel everything Labour said they could achieve - IOW, you've successfully proved yourself more gullible than most, while at the same time showing yourself infinitely more susceptible to your own born-loser prejudices than anyone with any born wit would even think of doing.
You couldn't care less? Don't be bloody stupid Keith! Your long winded and pointless posts avoiding the failure of Labour tell me your just a stupid. lying fucking troll!
Labour have failed yet again!!!
Of course they haven't, JohnB - plans and priorities have changed, and
that is as it should be. If you had a construction project planned and
detailed costngs showed that it was going to cost a lot more than
previously estimated, that demand had changed, that supply of
construction materials is extremly uncertain, that availability of
trained labour was lower due to competing projects, and that there
were higher priorities for spending (such as paying for Covid
vaccines) what would you have done?
John Bowes
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
And you do nothing about it other than to deliver yet more of your mindless yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric; whereas I have referred you to some background history concerning this impecunious country's shaky, imprecise progress towards updating its long-ailing infrastructure.
Unfulfilled promises from whatever quarter are as much to do with New Zealand's persistent failure to develop any credible long-term structured planning [1] as they are to do with impecunious[2] hand-to-mouth expediency on the part of whatever vote-seeking, bird-of-passage government happens to be taking Buggin's turn at patching and mending.
[1] Why didn't you and your self-satisfied half-pie lotus-eating lot have this sorted once and for all **decades ago**? Inexcusable.
[2] Perniciously low per-capita **real** productivity.
Why don't you stick to the subject posted...
I have done precisely that - (note the pivotal word **infrastructure** in your opening URL) - and the fact that you find my references to the sorry history of this country's perniciously inadequate **infrastructure** is not to your liking is entirely down to New Zealanders like you and no-one else.
BULLSHIT! Look at the heading. It has NOTHING to do with your claim...
I make no such claim. I merely give the facts of the matter that you as typical recalcitrant-in-denial can never countenance let alone ever have the guts honestly to confront.
Ever since the day you were conceived, you, a born New Zealander, have been and will always be, intrinsic to every one of your governments' policy and implementation failures.
Narrowing this down to New Zealand's chronic failings in infrastructure - **the very nub of your topic**, these failures have been 100% down to a decades-long history of always-behind-never-ahead policies[1].
You, a born New Zealander, have lived through this history. You, a born New Zealander, have therefore been, and continue to be, both an intrinsic part and participant in this same catch-up-and-make-do-and-mend pathology - much of it also a major cause of New Zealand's **failure to pay its way in the world** for the past 50 years and more.
So, continue by all means to whinge and bicker and deny and insult as is your self-demeaning way, but know that in-denial people like you are never going to change a history throughout which this nation's policy failings have included you, and continue to include you, John Bowes, aa bullshitting participant and uncomprehending (your word!) net **debtor**.
[1] Inadequate competence in vision, planning, and execution.
Stop avoiding Labour failing to follow through on a promise/policy yet again!
The current government is simply taking Buggins turn in an unbroken 50-year continuum of failure to keep abreast of infrastructure requirements. Key's government was no better in this regard, and the same goes for Clark's. This same failure to deliver on infrastructure goes all the way back to 1975 or thereabouts. The evidence is before you and every overseas visitor everywhere you look.
No they're not Keith!
In which case, at a stroke you both dismiss and disavow your own country's economic record over the past 50 years.
Post by John Bowes
They made promises on several occasions about the work on infrastructure in the lead up to last election and have now gone back on it and you know it!
That's right, as you say, they've done both and and I couldn't care less about it either. Whereas you have squandered a lot of time identifying yourself as the dupe who has voluntarily swallowed as gospel everything Labour said they could achieve - IOW, you've successfully proved yourself more gullible than most, while at the same time showing yourself infinitely more susceptible to your own born-loser prejudices than anyone with any born wit would even think of doing.
You couldn't care less? Don't be bloody stupid Keith! Your long winded and pointless posts avoiding the failure of Labour tell me your just a stupid. lying fucking troll!
Labour have failed yet again!!!
Of course they haven't, JohnB - plans and priorities have changed, and
that is as it should be. If you had a construction project planned and
detailed costngs showed that it was going to cost a lot more than
previously estimated, that demand had changed, that supply of
construction materials is extremly uncertain, that availability of
trained labour was lower due to competing projects, and that there
were higher priorities for spending (such as paying for Covid
vaccines) what would you have done?
But the demand hasn't changed Rich! The government made a promise as part of an election campaign. Hell it seems NZTA may not be able to repair the roads by 2030! Let alone build new ones. Unless the government puts additional tax on electricity generation that is....
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
And you do nothing about it other than to deliver yet more of your mindless yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric; whereas I have referred you to some background history concerning this impecunious country's shaky, imprecise progress towards updating its long-ailing infrastructure.
Unfulfilled promises from whatever quarter are as much to do with New Zealand's persistent failure to develop any credible long-term structured planning [1] as they are to do with impecunious[2] hand-to-mouth expediency on the part of whatever vote-seeking, bird-of-passage government happens to be taking Buggin's turn at patching and mending.
[1] Why didn't you and your self-satisfied half-pie lotus-eating lot have this sorted once and for all **decades ago**? Inexcusable.
[2] Perniciously low per-capita **real** productivity.
Why don't you stick to the subject posted...
I have done precisely that - (note the pivotal word **infrastructure** in your opening URL) - and the fact that you find my references to the sorry history of this country's perniciously inadequate **infrastructure** is not to your liking is entirely down to New Zealanders like you and no-one else.
BULLSHIT! Look at the heading. It has NOTHING to do with your claim...
I make no such claim. I merely give the facts of the matter that you as typical recalcitrant-in-denial can never countenance let alone ever have the guts honestly to confront.
Ever since the day you were conceived, you, a born New Zealander, have been and will always be, intrinsic to every one of your governments' policy and implementation failures.
Narrowing this down to New Zealand's chronic failings in infrastructure - **the very nub of your topic**, these failures have been 100% down to a decades-long history of always-behind-never-ahead policies[1].
You, a born New Zealander, have lived through this history. You, a born New Zealander, have therefore been, and continue to be, both an intrinsic part and participant in this same catch-up-and-make-do-and-mend pathology - much of it also a major cause of New Zealand's **failure to pay its way in the world** for the past 50 years and more.
So, continue by all means to whinge and bicker and deny and insult as is your self-demeaning way, but know that in-denial people like you are never going to change a history throughout which this nation's policy failings have included you, and continue to include you, John Bowes, aa bullshitting participant and uncomprehending (your word!) net **debtor**.
[1] Inadequate competence in vision, planning, and execution.
Stop avoiding Labour failing to follow through on a promise/policy yet again!
The current government is simply taking Buggins turn in an unbroken 50-year continuum of failure to keep abreast of infrastructure requirements. Key's government was no better in this regard, and the same goes for Clark's. This same failure to deliver on infrastructure goes all the way back to 1975 or thereabouts. The evidence is before you and every overseas visitor everywhere you look.
No they're not Keith!
In which case, at a stroke you both dismiss and disavow your own country's economic record over the past 50 years.
Post by John Bowes
They made promises on several occasions about the work on infrastructure in the lead up to last election and have now gone back on it and you know it!
That's right, as you say, they've done both and and I couldn't care less about it either. Whereas you have squandered a lot of time identifying yourself as the dupe who has voluntarily swallowed as gospel everything Labour said they could achieve - IOW, you've successfully proved yourself more gullible than most, while at the same time showing yourself infinitely more susceptible to your own born-loser prejudices than anyone with any born wit would even think of doing.
You couldn't care less? Don't be bloody stupid Keith! Your long winded and pointless posts avoiding the failure of Labour tell me your just a stupid. lying fucking troll!
Labour have failed yet again!!!
Of course they haven't, JohnB - plans and priorities have changed, and
that is as it should be. If you had a construction project planned and
detailed costngs showed that it was going to cost a lot more than
previously estimated, that demand had changed, that supply of
construction materials is extremly uncertain, that availability of
trained labour was lower due to competing projects, and that there
were higher priorities for spending (such as paying for Covid
vaccines) what would you have done?
But the demand hasn't changed Rich! The government made a promise as part of an election campaign. Hell it seems NZTA may not be able to repair the roads by 2030! Let alone build new ones. Unless the government puts additional tax on electricity generation that is....
The money for NZTA repairing roads comes from petrol taxes and road
user charges. They are bein reviewed - electric vehicles are not
paying their share, but presumably you want charges for other road
users to be increased to cover the higher costs of materials and
contractors. How much do you think petrol taxes and road user charges
need to increase, John?

I''s still waiting for you to identify the justification for the use
of "bloody" in the Subject - or is that just you using impolite
language?
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
And you do nothing about it other than to deliver yet more of your mindless yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric; whereas I have referred you to some background history concerning this impecunious country's shaky, imprecise progress towards updating its long-ailing infrastructure.
Unfulfilled promises from whatever quarter are as much to do with New Zealand's persistent failure to develop any credible long-term structured planning [1] as they are to do with impecunious[2] hand-to-mouth expediency on the part of whatever vote-seeking, bird-of-passage government happens to be taking Buggin's turn at patching and mending.
[1] Why didn't you and your self-satisfied half-pie lotus-eating lot have this sorted once and for all **decades ago**? Inexcusable.
[2] Perniciously low per-capita **real** productivity.
Why don't you stick to the subject posted...
I have done precisely that - (note the pivotal word **infrastructure** in your opening URL) - and the fact that you find my references to the sorry history of this country's perniciously inadequate **infrastructure** is not to your liking is entirely down to New Zealanders like you and no-one else.
BULLSHIT! Look at the heading. It has NOTHING to do with your claim...
I make no such claim. I merely give the facts of the matter that you as typical recalcitrant-in-denial can never countenance let alone ever have the guts honestly to confront.
Ever since the day you were conceived, you, a born New Zealander, have been and will always be, intrinsic to every one of your governments' policy and implementation failures.
Narrowing this down to New Zealand's chronic failings in infrastructure - **the very nub of your topic**, these failures have been 100% down to a decades-long history of always-behind-never-ahead policies[1].
You, a born New Zealander, have lived through this history. You, a born New Zealander, have therefore been, and continue to be, both an intrinsic part and participant in this same catch-up-and-make-do-and-mend pathology - much of it also a major cause of New Zealand's **failure to pay its way in the world** for the past 50 years and more.
So, continue by all means to whinge and bicker and deny and insult as is your self-demeaning way, but know that in-denial people like you are never going to change a history throughout which this nation's policy failings have included you, and continue to include you, John Bowes, aa bullshitting participant and uncomprehending (your word!) net **debtor**.
[1] Inadequate competence in vision, planning, and execution.
Stop avoiding Labour failing to follow through on a promise/policy yet again!
The current government is simply taking Buggins turn in an unbroken 50-year continuum of failure to keep abreast of infrastructure requirements. Key's government was no better in this regard, and the same goes for Clark's. This same failure to deliver on infrastructure goes all the way back to 1975 or thereabouts. The evidence is before you and every overseas visitor everywhere you look.
No they're not Keith!
In which case, at a stroke you both dismiss and disavow your own country's economic record over the past 50 years.
Post by John Bowes
They made promises on several occasions about the work on infrastructure in the lead up to last election and have now gone back on it and you know it!
That's right, as you say, they've done both and and I couldn't care less about it either. Whereas you have squandered a lot of time identifying yourself as the dupe who has voluntarily swallowed as gospel everything Labour said they could achieve - IOW, you've successfully proved yourself more gullible than most, while at the same time showing yourself infinitely more susceptible to your own born-loser prejudices than anyone with any born wit would even think of doing.
You couldn't care less? Don't be bloody stupid Keith! Your long winded and pointless posts avoiding the failure of Labour tell me your just a stupid. lying fucking troll!
Labour have failed yet again!!!
Of course they haven't, JohnB - plans and priorities have changed, and
that is as it should be. If you had a construction project planned and
detailed costngs showed that it was going to cost a lot more than
previously estimated, that demand had changed, that supply of
construction materials is extremly uncertain, that availability of
trained labour was lower due to competing projects, and that there
were higher priorities for spending (such as paying for Covid
vaccines) what would you have done?
But the demand hasn't changed Rich! The government made a promise as part of an election campaign. Hell it seems NZTA may not be able to repair the roads by 2030! Let alone build new ones. Unless the government puts additional tax on electricity generation that is....
The money for NZTA repairing roads comes from petrol taxes and road
user charges. They are bein reviewed - electric vehicles are not
paying their share, but presumably you want charges for other road
users to be increased to cover the higher costs of materials and
contractors. How much do you think petrol taxes and road user charges
need to increase, John?
Your thicker than two short planks Rich! None of them should be increased because we the buyers of goods and services are the poor fools that actually pay them in the ever rising prices of things like rent, food and houses!
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I''s still waiting for you to identify the justification for the use
of "bloody" in the Subject - or is that just you using impolite
language?
Do us a favour and stop behaving like the useless bloody Marxist imbecile you so obviously are Rich. Or try discovering your untapped comprehension skills fuckwit :)
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
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Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
And you do nothing about it other than to deliver yet more of your mindless yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric; whereas I have referred you to some background history concerning this impecunious country's shaky, imprecise progress towards updating its long-ailing infrastructure.
Unfulfilled promises from whatever quarter are as much to do with New Zealand's persistent failure to develop any credible long-term structured planning [1] as they are to do with impecunious[2] hand-to-mouth expediency on the part of whatever vote-seeking, bird-of-passage government happens to be taking Buggin's turn at patching and mending.
[1] Why didn't you and your self-satisfied half-pie lotus-eating lot have this sorted once and for all **decades ago**? Inexcusable.
[2] Perniciously low per-capita **real** productivity.
Why don't you stick to the subject posted...
I have done precisely that - (note the pivotal word **infrastructure** in your opening URL) - and the fact that you find my references to the sorry history of this country's perniciously inadequate **infrastructure** is not to your liking is entirely down to New Zealanders like you and no-one else.
BULLSHIT! Look at the heading. It has NOTHING to do with your claim...
I make no such claim. I merely give the facts of the matter that you as typical recalcitrant-in-denial can never countenance let alone ever have the guts honestly to confront.
Ever since the day you were conceived, you, a born New Zealander, have been and will always be, intrinsic to every one of your governments' policy and implementation failures.
Narrowing this down to New Zealand's chronic failings in infrastructure - **the very nub of your topic**, these failures have been 100% down to a decades-long history of always-behind-never-ahead policies[1].
You, a born New Zealander, have lived through this history. You, a born New Zealander, have therefore been, and continue to be, both an intrinsic part and participant in this same catch-up-and-make-do-and-mend pathology - much of it also a major cause of New Zealand's **failure to pay its way in the world** for the past 50 years and more.
So, continue by all means to whinge and bicker and deny and insult as is your self-demeaning way, but know that in-denial people like you are never going to change a history throughout which this nation's policy failings have included you, and continue to include you, John Bowes, aa bullshitting participant and uncomprehending (your word!) net **debtor**.
[1] Inadequate competence in vision, planning, and execution.
Stop avoiding Labour failing to follow through on a promise/policy yet again!
The current government is simply taking Buggins turn in an unbroken 50-year continuum of failure to keep abreast of infrastructure requirements. Key's government was no better in this regard, and the same goes for Clark's. This same failure to deliver on infrastructure goes all the way back to 1975 or thereabouts. The evidence is before you and every overseas visitor everywhere you look.
No they're not Keith!
In which case, at a stroke you both dismiss and disavow your own country's economic record over the past 50 years.
Post by John Bowes
They made promises on several occasions about the work on infrastructure in the lead up to last election and have now gone back on it and you know it!
That's right, as you say, they've done both and and I couldn't care less about it either. Whereas you have squandered a lot of time identifying yourself as the dupe who has voluntarily swallowed as gospel everything Labour said they could achieve - IOW, you've successfully proved yourself more gullible than most, while at the same time showing yourself infinitely more susceptible to your own born-loser prejudices than anyone with any born wit would even think of doing.
You couldn't care less? Don't be bloody stupid Keith! Your long winded and pointless posts avoiding the failure of Labour tell me your just a stupid. lying fucking troll!
Labour have failed yet again!!!
Of course they haven't, JohnB - plans and priorities have changed, and
that is as it should be. If you had a construction project planned and
detailed costngs showed that it was going to cost a lot more than
previously estimated, that demand had changed, that supply of
construction materials is extremly uncertain, that availability of
trained labour was lower due to competing projects, and that there
were higher priorities for spending (such as paying for Covid
vaccines) what would you have done?
But the demand hasn't changed Rich! The government made a promise as part of an election campaign. Hell it seems NZTA may not be able to repair the roads by 2030! Let alone build new ones. Unless the government puts additional tax on electricity generation that is....
The money for NZTA repairing roads comes from petrol taxes and road
user charges. They are bein reviewed - electric vehicles are not
paying their share, but presumably you want charges for other road
users to be increased to cover the higher costs of materials and
contractors. How much do you think petrol taxes and road user charges
need to increase, John?
Your thicker than two short planks Rich! None of them should be increased because we the buyers of goods and services are the poor fools that actually pay them in the ever rising prices of things like rent, food and houses!
The NZTA is funded through user pays charges. If the fund is not
sufficient, we don't start some roading projects, or we put the
charges up. So if you reject an increase in user charges, either you
are saying the government is right to delay some projects, or you want
a handout from other taxpayers to subsidie roads. Are you a closet
socialist, JohnB?
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Post by Rich80105
I''s still waiting for you to identify the justification for the use
of "bloody" in the Subject - or is that just you using impolite
language?
Do us a favour and stop behaving like the useless bloody Marxist imbecile you so obviously are Rich. Or try discovering your untapped comprehension skills fuckwit :)
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300287913/government-may-axe-promised-roads-as-costs-mount-in-12b-infrastructure-package
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "National’s wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_of_National_Significance#cite_note-13
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
And you do nothing about it other than to deliver yet more of your mindless yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric; whereas I have referred you to some background history concerning this impecunious country's shaky, imprecise progress towards updating its long-ailing infrastructure.
Unfulfilled promises from whatever quarter are as much to do with New Zealand's persistent failure to develop any credible long-term structured planning [1] as they are to do with impecunious[2] hand-to-mouth expediency on the part of whatever vote-seeking, bird-of-passage government happens to be taking Buggin's turn at patching and mending.
[1] Why didn't you and your self-satisfied half-pie lotus-eating lot have this sorted once and for all **decades ago**? Inexcusable.
[2] Perniciously low per-capita **real** productivity.
Why don't you stick to the subject posted...
I have done precisely that - (note the pivotal word **infrastructure** in your opening URL) - and the fact that you find my references to the sorry history of this country's perniciously inadequate **infrastructure** is not to your liking is entirely down to New Zealanders like you and no-one else.
BULLSHIT! Look at the heading. It has NOTHING to do with your claim...
I make no such claim. I merely give the facts of the matter that you as typical recalcitrant-in-denial can never countenance let alone ever have the guts honestly to confront.
Ever since the day you were conceived, you, a born New Zealander, have been and will always be, intrinsic to every one of your governments' policy and implementation failures.
Narrowing this down to New Zealand's chronic failings in infrastructure - **the very nub of your topic**, these failures have been 100% down to a decades-long history of always-behind-never-ahead policies[1].
You, a born New Zealander, have lived through this history. You, a born New Zealander, have therefore been, and continue to be, both an intrinsic part and participant in this same catch-up-and-make-do-and-mend pathology - much of it also a major cause of New Zealand's **failure to pay its way in the world** for the past 50 years and more.
So, continue by all means to whinge and bicker and deny and insult as is your self-demeaning way, but know that in-denial people like you are never going to change a history throughout which this nation's policy failings have included you, and continue to include you, John Bowes, aa bullshitting participant and uncomprehending (your word!) net **debtor**.
[1] Inadequate competence in vision, planning, and execution.
Stop avoiding Labour failing to follow through on a promise/policy yet again!
The current government is simply taking Buggins turn in an unbroken 50-year continuum of failure to keep abreast of infrastructure requirements. Key's government was no better in this regard, and the same goes for Clark's. This same failure to deliver on infrastructure goes all the way back to 1975 or thereabouts. The evidence is before you and every overseas visitor everywhere you look.
No they're not Keith!
In which case, at a stroke you both dismiss and disavow your own country's economic record over the past 50 years.
Post by John Bowes
They made promises on several occasions about the work on infrastructure in the lead up to last election and have now gone back on it and you know it!
That's right, as you say, they've done both and and I couldn't care less about it either. Whereas you have squandered a lot of time identifying yourself as the dupe who has voluntarily swallowed as gospel everything Labour said they could achieve - IOW, you've successfully proved yourself more gullible than most, while at the same time showing yourself infinitely more susceptible to your own born-loser prejudices than anyone with any born wit would even think of doing.
You couldn't care less? Don't be bloody stupid Keith! Your long winded and pointless posts avoiding the failure of Labour tell me your just a stupid. lying fucking troll!
Labour have failed yet again!!!
Of course they haven't, JohnB - plans and priorities have changed, and
that is as it should be. If you had a construction project planned and
detailed costngs showed that it was going to cost a lot more than
previously estimated, that demand had changed, that supply of
construction materials is extremly uncertain, that availability of
trained labour was lower due to competing projects, and that there
were higher priorities for spending (such as paying for Covid
vaccines) what would you have done?
But the demand hasn't changed Rich! The government made a promise as part of an election campaign. Hell it seems NZTA may not be able to repair the roads by 2030! Let alone build new ones. Unless the government puts additional tax on electricity generation that is....
The money for NZTA repairing roads comes from petrol taxes and road
user charges. They are bein reviewed - electric vehicles are not
paying their share, but presumably you want charges for other road
users to be increased to cover the higher costs of materials and
contractors. How much do you think petrol taxes and road user charges
need to increase, John?
Your thicker than two short planks Rich! None of them should be increased because we the buyers of goods and services are the poor fools that actually pay them in the ever rising prices of things like rent, food and houses!
The NZTA is funded through user pays charges. If the fund is not
sufficient, we don't start some roading projects, or we put the
charges up. So if you reject an increase in user charges, either you
are saying the government is right to delay some projects, or you want
a handout from other taxpayers to subsidie roads. Are you a closet
socialist, JohnB?
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
I''s still waiting for you to identify the justification for the use
of "bloody" in the Subject - or is that just you using impolite
language?
Do us a favour and stop behaving like the useless bloody Marxist imbecile you so obviously are Rich. Or try discovering your untapped comprehension skills fuckwit :)
No matter how often you and Keith deny it Rich it's ANOTHER BLOODY FAIL in an ever lengthening list of failure FROM YOUR FUCKING GOVERNMENT!
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