On Mon, 3 May 2021 15:30:13 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers Post by John Bowes Post by James Christophers Post by James Christophers Post by John Bowes Post by James Christophers Post by Rich80105
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 05:23:42 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:58:46 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Guess the fools are finally figuring the IRD can't support every one of it's wet dreams. Wonder if putting rail everywhere will cost less than the roads.......
The IRD do not build roads, John Bowes - they collect tax.
So no tax money is used on roads rich? Don't be a fucking idiot!
You are a taxpayer, John, but you do not build roads either, nor does
IRD support your wet dreams.
Post by John Bowes Post by Rich80105
Nobody is proposing putting rail everywhere, and yes that would bemore
expensive than roads and less flexible. Rail is however suitable for
some routes - it is a shame that it was not planned to go alongside
the Waikato Expressway for example.
Ril needs gentler gradients and corners than roads Rich. don't be a fucking idiot!
Most of the Expressway has gentle gradients and corners, John. If they
had been planing a faster rail service at the same time there would
have been a few changes, but not many.
All of 12 years ago, on 20 March 2009, the then Transport Minister, Steven Joyce, said roads of national significance had been "singled out as essential routes that require priority treatment...routes that are critical to improving economic productivity and growth...the focus is on moving people and freight between and within these centres more safely and efficiently".
So, with Steven Joyce's "Roads of national significance" meme running unbroken right through the ensuing 12 years, consider what has really been happening and where the country's major transport infrastructure has been improved thus far and at what cost, always remembering that "Nationals wish list was never funded, was never part of the Budget" - Ardern.
Irrelevant! Typical of Keiths approach to debate.
Fact: Labour once again made promises without doing any homework yet again Keith and you know it!
And you do nothing about it other than to deliver yet more of your mindless yah-boo parish-pump rhetoric; whereas I have referred you to some background history concerning this impecunious country's shaky, imprecise progress towards updating its long-ailing infrastructure.
Unfulfilled promises from whatever quarter are as much to do with New Zealand's persistent failure to develop any credible long-term structured planning  as they are to do with impecunious hand-to-mouth expediency on the part of whatever vote-seeking, bird-of-passage government happens to be taking Buggin's turn at patching and mending.
 Why didn't you and your self-satisfied half-pie lotus-eating lot have this sorted once and for all **decades ago**? Inexcusable.
 Perniciously low per-capita **real** productivity.
Why don't you stick to the subject posted...
I have done precisely that - (note the pivotal word **infrastructure** in your opening URL) - and the fact that you find my references to the sorry history of this country's perniciously inadequate **infrastructure** is not to your liking is entirely down to New Zealanders like you and no-one else.
BULLSHIT! Look at the heading. It has NOTHING to do with your claim...
I make no such claim. I merely give the facts of the matter that you as typical recalcitrant-in-denial can never countenance let alone ever have the guts honestly to confront.
Ever since the day you were conceived, you, a born New Zealander, have been and will always be, intrinsic to every one of your governments' policy and implementation failures.
Narrowing this down to New Zealand's chronic failings in infrastructure - **the very nub of your topic**, these failures have been 100% down to a decades-long history of always-behind-never-ahead policies.
You, a born New Zealander, have lived through this history. You, a born New Zealander, have therefore been, and continue to be, both an intrinsic part and participant in this same catch-up-and-make-do-and-mend pathology - much of it also a major cause of New Zealand's **failure to pay its way in the world** for the past 50 years and more.
So, continue by all means to whinge and bicker and deny and insult as is your self-demeaning way, but know that in-denial people like you are never going to change a history throughout which this nation's policy failings have included you, and continue to include you, John Bowes, aa bullshitting participant and uncomprehending (your word!) net **debtor**.
 Inadequate competence in vision, planning, and execution.
Stop avoiding Labour failing to follow through on a promise/policy yet again!
The current government is simply taking Buggins turn in an unbroken 50-year continuum of failure to keep abreast of infrastructure requirements. Key's government was no better in this regard, and the same goes for Clark's. This same failure to deliver on infrastructure goes all the way back to 1975 or thereabouts. The evidence is before you and every overseas visitor everywhere you look.
Those succeeding Ardern and her lot will likewise do no better until one core requirement is met: that infrastructure development shall always be planned and executed ahead of **real per-capita productivity**. Real-value investment.
Cities have been dominated, to a greater extent than central
government, by voters choosing the candidates who promised to get
rates down. Monuments to mayors are best seen in stadiums and new Town
Halls; nobody sees the inadequacies of waste water, sewage and clean
water reticulation - so many cities are up to top debt levels and are
now asking central government to help.
Historically freight was sent by sea then distributed by rail, but
little new rail was built post WW2 - the road freight industry
captured the National Party; privatisation of rail was a disaster. The
intercity road network started to need work, but importantly highways
through towns and cities became an area where cities could demand
money from central government - or frustrate links though cities
through being uncooperative. Now Auckland is a mess of motorways with
Unrestricted immigration has highlighted the lack of joined up
thinking about provision of clean water and renewal of sewage and
waste water systems. In Canterbury, farmers interests led to the
government sacking elected officials; I understand Christchurch water
costs a lot more than previously to be able to be used for drinking .
. . In some areas, water problems are too big for local councils, and
water trucks are becoming a feature of life in some areas.
Now however it is all coming together with the costs of the Covid
pandemic - which is far from over; competing for resources; and lack
of investment in housing, education, health also becoming clearer. The
current government has been too timid in promising not to increase
taxes, and property owners are the only ones delighted; followed
closely by the building supply industry which continues to export logs
and now cannot supply cut timber. I tis hard to build anything without
building supplies . . .
Post by James Christophers
This requirement can never be met until the **value** of investment in real-value productivity exceeds the **value** of investment in zero-value productivity. Put bluntly, Kiwis as a whole need to produce way more real-value work with that real-wealth earned remaining in their own country to be **productively** re-invested in their nation's real-productivity economy. It's called earning your keep while inculcating wider and ever-increasing expectations and ambitions in the generations to follow.
Every time another parasitic café opens, I die a little.