Post by Gordon Post by John Bowes Post by Rich80105 Post by Janithor
Post by Byker Post by John Bowes
Vote Labour and kiss freedom of speech good bye. Though it may have just
been Ardern trying to get Islamist to vote Labour. We don't need hate
speech laws we need freedom of speech. After all you can still sue for
defamation and slander which covers things well enough.
It seems that the U.S. is about the only Western country left
on earth that doesn't have "hate speech" laws on the books.
And you wonder why so many Americans won't vacation abroad...
They're pushing for it here. I can't fathom my own government telling
me what I can or can't say about politics or culture. The far left is
Who has old you what you can or cannot say abouts politics or culture?
I had thought the concern was more about material like the
Christchurch shooter's manfesto, or the video that he live-streamed.
If we get a Labour/Green government it won't take them long to extend any hate speech laws to cover disagreement with the government. despotic and draconian bastards like them have been doing it for millenia. Just get off your arse and go read German and Russian history from the thirty's!
Post by Rich80105
Our system for banning objectionable print and film does not attract a
lot of controversy, but the detail of any prposed legislation has not
been set out - I doubt it would be agreed quickly, but it is
reasonable for a respnsible government to consider the concerns that
arose from the shooting and see if a consensus can be reached.
Our system is more than adequate Rich. Despotic buggers like Labour and the Greens want to stifle ALL disent. How long will it be before the pricks (and cunts) start opening up camps like the Chinese have for dissenters? you'd be in paradise and probably be welcomed as a camp commandant and good little communist lacky by Ardern, Genter, Davidson, Shaw and the Iranian tourist!
It has been said that the strength of a decmoracy is measured by the
acceptance of extreme views being expressed.
Things start to fall apart when they are expressed without respect.
In broad terms I agree, Gordon - tolerance of alternative views is
important, but we do need to be ready to act when that turns into
incitement to hurt or kill. It is a reality that this is sometimes
seen as political, which it is - a good example of tolerance has been
set by our PM, but she has also called for both NZ and international
action on those inciting violence, and the publication of extremist
views designed to create divisions and increase violence.
On the spectrum from authoritarian to libertarian, National is the
most authoritarian, but on some issues at least ACT is the most
libertarian, followed by the Green Party, with Labour being more
libertarian than National but less so than the Green Party. David
Farrar is an example of a clear National supporter who is probably to
the right of National on economic issues, but at least as libertarian
as ACT. The issue is seen by many through Jacinda Ardern's emphasis on
kindness, and Judith Collins reputation as "crushing" opposing
parties. When it comes to allowing, or at least not being able to
stop, live broadcasts of atrocities as happened with the Christchurch
Shooter, there are conflicting issues at play. We do not object to
views that we do not share, but we tend to have a fundamental respect
for life and for protection of our people that makes it abhorrent that
such videos may be seen by New Zealanders. From National it may be
more from a "Laura Norder" viewpoint, from others more from wanting to
avoid incitement to violence, but I suspect actions to ban such
publication may well be supported or resisted by indicviduals from all
political parties, depending on where they find a 'balance' between
I agree that mutual respect is important; I believe Seymour's rise has
a lot to do with his having been unfailingly polite; his proposed
policies are extreme to many, but his acceptance without rancour that
others are entitled to hold different viewshas been such a contrast to
Bridges and Collins that he looks likely to bring in a bunch of new
MPs. As for NZ First in its day, such electorate largesse may well be
short lives as details of policies become clearer.