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Tony
2021-01-07 21:34:01 UTC
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Boris - not my favourite politician but I applaud his honesty on this occasion.
More leaders need to stand up and be counted.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/300200717/british-prime-minister-boris-johnson-says-donald-trump-is-to-blame-for-capitol-siege
Crash
2021-01-08 01:36:03 UTC
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Boris - not my favourite politician but I applaud his honesty on this occasion.
More leaders need to stand up and be counted.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/300200717/british-prime-minister-boris-johnson-says-donald-trump-is-to-blame-for-capitol-siege
I agree. The events of the last 2 months or so in the USA,
culminating in the riot in Washington DC, are simply unprecedented. I
have just watched the latest video from Trump:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/us-riots-journey-just-beginning-donald-trump-breaks-twitter-silence-capitol-police-officer-dies/5YBJF6Y66RNB5RVOUBRJ3M7SXQ/

That video looks and sounds like Trump, but what he says seems truly
extraordinary. Trump is "outraged by the violence" of the rioters he
himself previously invited to march on the Capitol. Trump now claims
to have called in the National Guard - but it appears the Mayor of
Washington DC did so much earlier:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/300198784/dc-mayor-calls-in-national-guard-ahead-of-protrump-rallies-in-the-us

Trump indirectly concedes defeat by promising a "smooth, orderly and
seamless transition of power" on January 20.

However will the old Trump reappear between now and then?


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Tony
2021-01-08 04:19:50 UTC
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On Thu, 07 Jan 2021 15:34:01 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Boris - not my favourite politician but I applaud his honesty on this occasion.
More leaders need to stand up and be counted.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/300200717/british-prime-minister-boris-johnson-says-donald-trump-is-to-blame-for-capitol-siege
I agree. The events of the last 2 months or so in the USA,
culminating in the riot in Washington DC, are simply unprecedented. I
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/us-riots-journey-just-beginning-donald-trump-breaks-twitter-silence-capitol-police-officer-dies/5YBJF6Y66RNB5RVOUBRJ3M7SXQ/
That video looks and sounds like Trump, but what he says seems truly
extraordinary. Trump is "outraged by the violence" of the rioters he
himself previously invited to march on the Capitol. Trump now claims
to have called in the National Guard - but it appears the Mayor of
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/300198784/dc-mayor-calls-in-national-guard-ahead-of-protrump-rallies-in-the-us
Trump indirectly concedes defeat by promising a "smooth, orderly and
seamless transition of power" on January 20.
However will the old Trump reappear between now and then?
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Crash McBash
I don't know what will happen but I have to say that I predicted the riots. I
am sure you did also. Trump was incendiary in his messages before the events.
I believe he is more dangerous now than ever before, never trust a cornered
tiger.
He should, for all of our sakes, be removed using the 25th ammendment.
I have also been impressed by Pence over the past several days. He has some
beliefs I cannot agree with but seems to understand his place in history and
his moral duty (or maybe he is a political pragmatist). At least he did the
right thing.
Rich80105
2021-01-08 05:36:04 UTC
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Post by Crash
On Thu, 07 Jan 2021 15:34:01 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Boris - not my favourite politician but I applaud his honesty on this occasion.
More leaders need to stand up and be counted.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/300200717/british-prime-minister-boris-johnson-says-donald-trump-is-to-blame-for-capitol-siege
I agree. The events of the last 2 months or so in the USA,
culminating in the riot in Washington DC, are simply unprecedented. I
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/us-riots-journey-just-beginning-donald-trump-breaks-twitter-silence-capitol-police-officer-dies/5YBJF6Y66RNB5RVOUBRJ3M7SXQ/
That video looks and sounds like Trump, but what he says seems truly
extraordinary. Trump is "outraged by the violence" of the rioters he
himself previously invited to march on the Capitol. Trump now claims
to have called in the National Guard - but it appears the Mayor of
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/300198784/dc-mayor-calls-in-national-guard-ahead-of-protrump-rallies-in-the-us
Trump indirectly concedes defeat by promising a "smooth, orderly and
seamless transition of power" on January 20.
However will the old Trump reappear between now and then?
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Crash McBash
I don't know what will happen but I have to say that I predicted the riots. I
am sure you did also. Trump was incendiary in his messages before the events.
I believe he is more dangerous now than ever before, never trust a cornered
tiger.
He should, for all of our sakes, be removed using the 25th ammendment.
I have also been impressed by Pence over the past several days. He has some
beliefs I cannot agree with but seems to understand his place in history and
his moral duty (or maybe he is a political pragmatist). At least he did the
right thing.
Pence could, according to reports, initiate getting rid of Trump, but
apparently he does not wish to do that. I agree that he is a political
pragmatist, but his continued support for Trump may lose him support
as the Republican Party tries to put Trump behind them.
Tony
2021-01-08 05:51:00 UTC
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On Thu, 07 Jan 2021 22:19:50 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
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On Thu, 07 Jan 2021 15:34:01 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Boris - not my favourite politician but I applaud his honesty on this occasion.
More leaders need to stand up and be counted.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/300200717/british-prime-minister-boris-johnson-says-donald-trump-is-to-blame-for-capitol-siege
I agree. The events of the last 2 months or so in the USA,
culminating in the riot in Washington DC, are simply unprecedented. I
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/us-riots-journey-just-beginning-donald-trump-breaks-twitter-silence-capitol-police-officer-dies/5YBJF6Y66RNB5RVOUBRJ3M7SXQ/
That video looks and sounds like Trump, but what he says seems truly
extraordinary. Trump is "outraged by the violence" of the rioters he
himself previously invited to march on the Capitol. Trump now claims
to have called in the National Guard - but it appears the Mayor of
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/300198784/dc-mayor-calls-in-national-guard-ahead-of-protrump-rallies-in-the-us
Trump indirectly concedes defeat by promising a "smooth, orderly and
seamless transition of power" on January 20.
However will the old Trump reappear between now and then?
--
Crash McBash
I don't know what will happen but I have to say that I predicted the riots. I
am sure you did also. Trump was incendiary in his messages before the events.
I believe he is more dangerous now than ever before, never trust a cornered
tiger.
He should, for all of our sakes, be removed using the 25th ammendment.
I have also been impressed by Pence over the past several days. He has some
beliefs I cannot agree with but seems to understand his place in history and
his moral duty (or maybe he is a political pragmatist). At least he did the
right thing.
Pence could, according to reports, initiate getting rid of Trump, but
apparently he does not wish to do that. I agree that he is a political
pragmatist, but his continued support for Trump may lose him support
as the Republican Party tries to put Trump behind them.
He cannot get rid of Trump without the support of the Cabinet or Congress.
However I did not say that he wa a political pragmatist. I said that was one of
the things he may be.
He has actually not really supported Trump for many days, having been very
quiet until he convened Congress two days ago when he did the right thing.
I don't give a fig about his poltics, which in the grand scheme of things are
irrelevant, but I will give him credit for what appears to be a statesmanlike
leadership of Congress.
All irrelevant really because he is probably history.
Gordon
2021-01-08 02:31:12 UTC
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Post by Tony
Boris - not my favourite politician but I applaud his honesty on this occasion.
More leaders need to stand up and be counted.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/300200717/british-prime-minister-boris-johnson-says-donald-trump-is-to-blame-for-capitol-siege
I would say brave. He was only saying what all but Trump supporters were
thinking. Good on him for getting a bit more direct, as democracy is under
threat.

It is of great concern that democracy itself has born some great attacks
since November 3.

The USA needs to overhaul its system for elections, but the devil will be in
the detail. It is going to be some task if many believe in rumours. There
are many more problems.
Crash
2021-01-08 08:06:03 UTC
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Post by Tony
Boris - not my favourite politician but I applaud his honesty on this occasion.
More leaders need to stand up and be counted.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/300200717/british-prime-minister-boris-johnson-says-donald-trump-is-to-blame-for-capitol-siege
I would say brave. He was only saying what all but Trump supporters were
thinking. Good on him for getting a bit more direct, as democracy is under
threat.
It is of great concern that democracy itself has born some great attacks
since November 3.
The USA needs to overhaul its system for elections, but the devil will be in
the detail. It is going to be some task if many believe in rumours. There
are many more problems.
I believe that the integrity of the USA system for Presidential
elections has, in fact, been preserved. While it may seem to be that
ancient practice is employed from a time of extremely primitive
communications capability compared to today, the fact that it
preserved an outcome where the outright winner of the popular vote
will be the new POTUS means that it works in the face of an
unprecedented onslaught from a arguably deranged incumbent POTUS.
Overhaul no, modernisation yes.


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Rich80105
2021-01-08 20:17:14 UTC
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Post by Tony
Boris - not my favourite politician but I applaud his honesty on this occasion.
More leaders need to stand up and be counted.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/300200717/british-prime-minister-boris-johnson-says-donald-trump-is-to-blame-for-capitol-siege
I would say brave. He was only saying what all but Trump supporters were
thinking. Good on him for getting a bit more direct, as democracy is under
threat.
It is of great concern that democracy itself has born some great attacks
since November 3.
The USA needs to overhaul its system for elections, but the devil will be in
the detail. It is going to be some task if many believe in rumours. There
are many more problems.
I believe that the integrity of the USA system for Presidential
elections has, in fact, been preserved. While it may seem to be that
ancient practice is employed from a time of extremely primitive
communications capability compared to today, the fact that it
preserved an outcome where the outright winner of the popular vote
will be the new POTUS means that it works in the face of an
unprecedented onslaught from a arguably deranged incumbent POTUS.
Overhaul no, modernisation yes.
Trump was elected with a minority of the "popular vote" and the recent
election was sufficiently close that it could have happened again.
Whether fixing that (and other issues) is an overhaul or just
modernisation is a subjective issue.
Firu
2021-01-08 12:59:23 UTC
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Post by Tony
Boris - not my favourite politician but I applaud his honesty on this occasion.
More leaders need to stand up and be counted.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/300200717/british-prime-minister-boris-johnson-says-donald-trump-is-to-blame-for-capitol-siege
Condemning Trump isn't honest or brave, anyone with eyes in their head
can see what happened, see what Trump did to incite his mob. The same
way he's been inciting hatred for the last four years. During those four
years Bozo the Clown only sucked up to the Orange Fool, looking after
his own interests.

Now Biden is going to be President, Bozo is back-pedalling the clown car
as fast as he can. Hoping the new administration will give him a trade
deal, support him. The same poisonous little shit who was happy to be
compared to The Orange fool.

This tragedy gave Bozo the Clown a perfect opportunity to distance
himself from that comparison.
Tony
2021-01-08 20:01:42 UTC
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Boris - not my favourite politician but I applaud his honesty on this occasion.
More leaders need to stand up and be counted.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/300200717/british-prime-minister-boris-johnson-says-donald-trump-is-to-blame-for-capitol-siege
Condemning Trump isn't honest or brave, anyone with eyes in their head
can see what happened, see what Trump did to incite his mob. The same
way he's been inciting hatred for the last four years. During those four
years Bozo the Clown only sucked up to the Orange Fool, looking after
his own interests.
Now Biden is going to be President, Bozo is back-pedalling the clown car
as fast as he can. Hoping the new administration will give him a trade
deal, support him. The same poisonous little shit who was happy to be
compared to The Orange fool.
This tragedy gave Bozo the Clown a perfect opportunity to distance
himself from that comparison.
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I don't like Boris.
My point really is that he is the first political leader to tell the truth
about Trump. There should be more.
For instance
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/rnz/300200784/pm-should-not-tiptoe-around-trumps-culpability--professor
James Christophers
2021-01-08 22:01:08 UTC
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Boris - not my favourite politician but I applaud his honesty on this occasion.
More leaders need to stand up and be counted.
The saying will always hold true that the qualities and character of a man are measured not by what he says but by what he does and how he does it. A similar measure applies to Trump and Johnson with respect to the governance of their own countries, where one judges the true worth of such leaders not by their performance during the good times but during those times when the nations they govern are under duress - as now.

Again, as that timeless aphorism goes, "You (also) judge a man by the company he keeps". This goes for Johnson as much as it does for any other political leader. In the case of Trump, even a plausible fake like Johnson - a Trumpish liar, cheat, fraudster and well-documented organiser and inciter of public disorder, damage and disgrace - accepts, albeit reluctantly, that the time is long overdue that "the pig got up and slowly walked away".

That said, is his judgement of anything or anyone to be trusted? Is he even faintly credible?

So, to take a so-to-speak obverse view of the above: how readily would you now give credence to, and bask in, the reflected glory and personal integrity, inherent competence and, above all, the moral authority of today's British prime minster who is not only a known barefaced liar, cheat and defrauder of the British Constitution, but one also boasting a police record of actively organising and participating in gross public disorder and destruction of property, were he today to stand at the Commons dispatch box and publicly proclaim you as worthy of universal commendation for honesty, probity and good conduct?
Tony
2021-01-08 22:19:41 UTC
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Post by Tony
Boris - not my favourite politician but I applaud his honesty on this occasion.
More leaders need to stand up and be counted.
The saying will always hold true that the qualities and character of a man are
measured not by what he says but by what he does and how he does it. A similar
measure applies to Trump and Johnson with respect to the governance of their
own countries, where one judges the true worth of such leaders not by their
performance during the good times but during those times when the nations they
govern are under duress - as now.
Again, as that timeless aphorism goes, "You (also) judge a man by the company
he keeps". This goes for Johnson as much as it does for any other political
leader. In the case of Trump, even a plausible fake like Johnson - a Trumpish
liar, cheat, fraudster and well-documented organiser and inciter of public
disorder, damage and disgrace - accepts, albeit reluctantly, that the time is
long overdue that "the pig got up and slowly walked away".
That said, is his judgement of anything or anyone to be trusted? Is he even faintly credible?
So, to take a so-to-speak obverse view of the above: how readily would you now
give credence to, and bask in, the reflected glory and personal integrity,
inherent competence and, above all, the moral authority of today's British
prime minster who is not only a known barefaced liar, cheat and defrauder of
the British Constitution, but one also boasting a police record of actively
organising and participating in gross public disorder and destruction of
property, were he today to stand at the Commons dispatch box and publicly
proclaim you as worthy of universal commendation for honesty, probity and good
conduct?
I don't care if he is credible, I do not admire him in the slightest.
I believe that at the time he made the remark it was on point and timely.
That is all.
James Christophers
2021-01-09 00:48:12 UTC
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Boris - not my favourite politician but I applaud his honesty on this occasion.
More leaders need to stand up and be counted.
The saying will always hold true that the qualities and character of a man are
measured not by what he says but by what he does and how he does it. A similar
measure applies to Trump and Johnson with respect to the governance of their
own countries, where one judges the true worth of such leaders not by their
performance during the good times but during those times when the nations they
govern are under duress - as now.
Again, as that timeless aphorism goes, "You (also) judge a man by the company
he keeps". This goes for Johnson as much as it does for any other political
leader. In the case of Trump, even a plausible fake like Johnson - a Trumpish
liar, cheat, fraudster and well-documented organiser and inciter of public
disorder, damage and disgrace - accepts, albeit reluctantly, that the time is
long overdue that "the pig got up and slowly walked away".
That said, is his judgement of anything or anyone to be trusted? Is he even
faintly credible?
So, to take a so-to-speak obverse view of the above: how readily would you now
give credence to, and bask in, the reflected glory and personal integrity,
inherent competence and, above all, the moral authority of today's British
prime minster who is not only a known barefaced liar, cheat and defrauder of
the British Constitution, but one also boasting a police record of actively
organising and participating in gross public disorder and destruction of
property, were he today to stand at the Commons dispatch box and publicly
proclaim you as worthy of universal commendation for honesty, probity and good
conduct?
I don't care if he is credible, I do not admire him in the slightest.
I believe that at the time he made the remark it was on point and timely.
That is all.
All fine and dandy according to your lights, provided one recognises that, even when acknowledging the needful rhetoric of an otherwise notoriously plausible humbug, personal integrity and honour still count for something - so kindly hand me that pinch of salt, someone.

Meanwhile, America's self-arrogated exceptionalism in all things democratic lies lifeless and discredited at the foot of the greasy pole that has always been its own hypocrisy, with the news that 45% of Republican Party supporters condone the unsurpassed outrage and dishonour they and their same-mindset thugs have brought upon their own country. By so doing they irrevocably render their own country voiceless and impotent among the defrauded and done-down people of those nations who would give their right arms to get even a whiff of the kind of democracy we have always cherished and upheld, if perhaps too often taken for granted.

Immediate articles of impeachment and summary ejection from the White House, along with the instant stripping of Trump's Presidential powers can never be other than a token gesture. Because, while always known and suspected if not actually put into words, more is rotten in the state of the Republican Party than even the most seasoned politico has hitherto ever thought possible.

Covid and its variants and mutations are now rampant while countries such as China and Russia now look out and across a world imperilled to a degree unprecedented since 1939 and the start of WW2 or, if you will, the Cuban nuclear missile crisis of 1962.

"You don't know what you've got 'til it's gone" - Joni Mitchell.
Tony
2021-01-09 02:34:01 UTC
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Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Boris - not my favourite politician but I applaud his honesty on this occasion.
More leaders need to stand up and be counted.
The saying will always hold true that the qualities and character of a man are
measured not by what he says but by what he does and how he does it. A similar
measure applies to Trump and Johnson with respect to the governance of their
own countries, where one judges the true worth of such leaders not by their
performance during the good times but during those times when the nations they
govern are under duress - as now.
Again, as that timeless aphorism goes, "You (also) judge a man by the company
he keeps". This goes for Johnson as much as it does for any other political
leader. In the case of Trump, even a plausible fake like Johnson - a Trumpish
liar, cheat, fraudster and well-documented organiser and inciter of public
disorder, damage and disgrace - accepts, albeit reluctantly, that the time is
long overdue that "the pig got up and slowly walked away".
That said, is his judgement of anything or anyone to be trusted? Is he even
faintly credible?
So, to take a so-to-speak obverse view of the above: how readily would you now
give credence to, and bask in, the reflected glory and personal integrity,
inherent competence and, above all, the moral authority of today's British
prime minster who is not only a known barefaced liar, cheat and defrauder of
the British Constitution, but one also boasting a police record of actively
organising and participating in gross public disorder and destruction of
property, were he today to stand at the Commons dispatch box and publicly
proclaim you as worthy of universal commendation for honesty, probity and good
conduct?
I don't care if he is credible, I do not admire him in the slightest.
I believe that at the time he made the remark it was on point and timely.
That is all.
All fine and dandy according to your lights, provided one recognises that,
even when acknowledging the needful rhetoric of an otherwise notoriously
plausible humbug, personal integrity and honour still count for something - so
kindly hand me that pinch of salt, someone.
Meanwhile, America's self-arrogated exceptionalism in all things democratic
lies lifeless and discredited at the foot of the greasy pole that has always
been its own hypocrisy, with the news that 45% of Republican Party supporters
condone the unsurpassed outrage and dishonour they and their same-mindset thugs
have brought upon their own country. By so doing they irrevocably render their
own country voiceless and impotent among the defrauded and done-down people of
those nations who would give their right arms to get even a whiff of the kind
of democracy we have always cherished and upheld, if perhaps too often taken
for granted.
Immediate articles of impeachment and summary ejection from the White House,
along with the instant stripping of Trump's Presidential powers can never be
other than a token gesture. Because, while always known and suspected if not
actually put into words, more is rotten in the state of the Republican Party
than even the most seasoned politico has hitherto ever thought possible.
Covid and its variants and mutations are now rampant while countries such as
China and Russia now look out and across a world imperilled to a degree
unprecedented since 1939 and the start of WW2 or, if you will, the Cuban
nuclear missile crisis of 1962.
"You don't know what you've got 'til it's gone" - Joni Mitchell.
I don't disagree with any of that. But struggle to see how it is on topic.
However, you may see otherwise.
James Christophers
2021-01-10 06:28:07 UTC
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Boris - not my favourite politician but I applaud his honesty on this occasion.
More leaders need to stand up and be counted.
The saying will always hold true that the qualities and character of a man are
measured not by what he says but by what he does and how he does it. A similar
measure applies to Trump and Johnson with respect to the governance of their
own countries, where one judges the true worth of such leaders not by their
performance during the good times but during those times when the nations they
govern are under duress - as now.
Again, as that timeless aphorism goes, "You (also) judge a man by the company
he keeps". This goes for Johnson as much as it does for any other political
leader. In the case of Trump, even a plausible fake like Johnson - a Trumpish
liar, cheat, fraudster and well-documented organiser and inciter of public
disorder, damage and disgrace - accepts, albeit reluctantly, that the time is
long overdue that "the pig got up and slowly walked away".
That said, is his judgement of anything or anyone to be trusted? Is he even
faintly credible?
So, to take a so-to-speak obverse view of the above: how readily would you now
give credence to, and bask in, the reflected glory and personal integrity,
inherent competence and, above all, the moral authority of today's British
prime minster who is not only a known barefaced liar, cheat and defrauder of
the British Constitution, but one also boasting a police record of actively
organising and participating in gross public disorder and destruction of
property, were he today to stand at the Commons dispatch box and publicly
proclaim you as worthy of universal commendation for honesty, probity and good
conduct?
I don't care if he is credible, I do not admire him in the slightest.
I believe that at the time he made the remark it was on point and timely.
That is all.
All fine and dandy according to your lights, provided one recognises that,
even when acknowledging the needful rhetoric of an otherwise notoriously
plausible humbug, personal integrity and honour still count for something - so
kindly hand me that pinch of salt, someone.
Meanwhile, America's self-arrogated exceptionalism in all things democratic
lies lifeless and discredited at the foot of the greasy pole that has always
been its own hypocrisy, with the news that 45% of Republican Party supporters
condone the unsurpassed outrage and dishonour they and their same-mindset thugs
have brought upon their own country. By so doing they irrevocably render their
own country voiceless and impotent among the defrauded and done-down people of
those nations who would give their right arms to get even a whiff of the kind
of democracy we have always cherished and upheld, if perhaps too often taken
for granted.
Immediate articles of impeachment and summary ejection from the White House,
along with the instant stripping of Trump's Presidential powers can never be
other than a token gesture. Because, while always known and suspected if not
actually put into words, more is rotten in the state of the Republican Party
than even the most seasoned politico has hitherto ever thought possible.
Covid and its variants and mutations are now rampant while countries such as
China and Russia now look out and across a world imperilled to a degree
unprecedented since 1939 and the start of WW2 or, if you will, the Cuban
nuclear missile crisis of 1962.
"You don't know what you've got 'til it's gone" - Joni Mitchell.
I don't disagree with any of that. But struggle to see how it is on topic.
Here's one of several simultaneous wider-ranging overviews of the observed and documented truths about the Trump/Johnson relationship[ that supports and better articulates my views on the topic as put:

https://tinyurl.com/y4cqftug

Disengage from Trump as he may try, Johnson will always be Trump's pet tarbaby.

And having also failed to contain Covid-19 and its virulent variants, plus the NHS announcing it is at the point of capitulating to the virus, Johnson is now busted as the incompetent Bullingdon buffoon he has always has been.
Gordon
2021-01-10 07:21:11 UTC
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Post by James Christophers
Here's one of several simultaneous wider-ranging overviews of the observed and
documented truths about the Trump/Johnson relationship[ that supports and better
https://tinyurl.com/y4cqftug
Disengage from Trump as he may try, Johnson will always be Trump's pet tarbaby.
When it was clear that the UK was not doing so well at controlling Covid
last April it was pointed out that there were leaders who did better than
others. The comparasion was made between Johnson and Trump.
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And having also failed to contain Covid-19 and its virulent variants,
plus the NHS announcing it is at the point of capitulating to the virus,
Johnson is now busted as the incompetent Bullingdon buffoon he has always has been.
I think that has happened before now. However now we are sure.
Rich80105
2021-01-10 08:18:20 UTC
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Post by James Christophers
Here's one of several simultaneous wider-ranging overviews of the observed and
documented truths about the Trump/Johnson relationship[ that supports and better
https://tinyurl.com/y4cqftug
Disengage from Trump as he may try, Johnson will always be Trump's pet tarbaby.
When it was clear that the UK was not doing so well at controlling Covid
last April it was pointed out that there were leaders who did better than
others. The comparasion was made between Johnson and Trump.
I'm not sure who would have been worse in relation to Covid at that
stage - and comparisons are in any case difficult due to the
different political systems, but this is from a few days ago:
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/health-55540701
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Post by James Christophers
And having also failed to contain Covid-19 and its virulent variants,
plus the NHS announcing it is at the point of capitulating to the virus,
Johnson is now busted as the incompetent Bullingdon buffoon he has always has been.
I think that has happened before now. However now we are sure.
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