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Tony
2021-09-10 03:25:37 UTC
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https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want 1984 to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at least to
start with, by charismatic people.
Rich80105
2021-09-10 03:52:08 UTC
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want 1984 to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at least to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020

Look at
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events

It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.

Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
Tony
2021-09-10 04:04:17 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want 1984 to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at least to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your lovely black
uniform and jackboots.
John Bowes
2021-09-10 04:43:36 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want 1984 to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at least to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your lovely black
uniform and jackboots.
They gave the camp guards grey uniforms and no jackboots Tony. Besides rich would look even stupider in jackboots and black uniform with lightning flashes on the collar :)
Tony
2021-09-10 05:22:30 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want 1984 to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at least to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your lovely black
uniform and jackboots.
They gave the camp guards grey uniforms and no jackboots Tony. Besides rich
would look even stupider in jackboots and black uniform with lightning flashes
on the collar :)
It's the nearest thing he has to a religion.
James Christophers
2021-09-10 05:02:04 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want 1984 to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at least to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
Fence sitting - i.e. speciously equivocating solely to foster division where there need be none. So if it's 'probably' you really mean then at least be man enough to quit the equivocation and say so.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
So which 'capability' has to date proved to be to your critical and irrevocable deprivation and disadvantage, and in what way?
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
No worries. Your dreams of your own perversely wished-for personal dystopia ever happening in New Zealand will always remain with you and only you.
Post by Tony
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your lovely black
uniform and jackboots.
You never know, Ardern may yet offer you the unique opportunity to slaveringly measure Rich's inside leg! Just think what decent, right-thinking folk might then think of your God-given piety and rectitude!
Tony
2021-09-10 05:19:45 UTC
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Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want 1984 to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at least to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
Fence sitting - i.e. speciously equivocating solely to foster division where
there need be none. So if it's 'probably' you really mean then at least be man
enough to quit the equivocation and say so.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
So which 'capability' has to date proved to be to your critical and
irrevocable deprivation and disadvantage, and in what way?
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
No worries. Your dreams of your own perversely wished-for personal dystopia
ever happening in New Zealand will always remain with you and only you.
Post by Tony
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your lovely black
uniform and jackboots.
You never know, Ardern may yet offer you the unique opportunity to slaveringly
measure Rich's inside leg! Just think what decent, right-thinking folk might
then think of your God-given piety and rectitude!
No, you can do that, It may be your last chances to feel OK.
Cindy has a plan Keith and it does not include you.
Rich80105
2021-09-10 05:11:49 UTC
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want 1984 to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at least to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your lovely black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
Tony
2021-09-10 05:21:32 UTC
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want 1984 to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at least to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting from the
hip. ANd it will continue.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your lovely black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
Rich80105
2021-09-10 06:40:15 UTC
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want 1984 to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at least to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting from the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your forst lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your lovely black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
John Bowes
2021-09-10 06:50:56 UTC
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want 1984 to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at least to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting from the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your forst lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
BULLSHIT!! https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300403171/auckland-man-charged-with-threatening-to-kill-nonmuslims Or are you going to claim this is fake news!? The lies Rich are mainly yours and your glorious misleaders!
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your lovely black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You wouldn't Rich. but then what else can we expect from a totalitarian government loving fucking imbecile like you?
Tony
2021-09-10 07:01:43 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want 1984 to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting from the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your forst lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your lovely black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more than a year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal of useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal shootings. I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that there are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith Warren to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we should be very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours that we are
ready to hold you to account.
So I have achieved my purpose. You have reacted as anticipated with a level of
defensiveness that demonstrates that we need to be watchful.
Now be a good little fascist and find a book to hide in. Mein kampf is your
favourite? Right???
John Bowes
2021-09-10 08:41:17 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want 1984 to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting from the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your forst lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your lovely black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more than a year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal of useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal shootings. I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that there are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith Warren to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we should be very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours that we are
ready to hold you to account.
So I have achieved my purpose. You have reacted as anticipated with a level of
defensiveness that demonstrates that we need to be watchful.
Now be a good little fascist and find a book to hide in. Mein kampf is your
favourite? Right???
More likely to be the writings of Karl Marx, Lenin and his uncle Mao!
James Christophers
2021-09-11 01:37:14 UTC
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Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want 1984 to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting from the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your first lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your lovely black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more than a year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal of useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal shootings. I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
That's as may be, but there are way too many wackos around who believe that a man holding a flag and brandishing a gun represents freedom, when it is those very same deluded wackos who, ipso facto, represent the real and present threat to democracy.
Post by Tony
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that there are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith Warren to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we should be very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours that we are
ready to hold you to account.
Such unwitting and self-unaware grandiosity!
Post by Tony
So I have achieved my purpose...
Now convince me.
Tony
2021-09-11 01:53:24 UTC
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Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting from the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your first lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your lovely black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more than a year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal of useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal shootings. I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
That's as may be, but there are way too many wackos around who believe that a
man holding a flag and brandishing a gun represents freedom, when it is those
very same deluded wackos who, ipso facto, represent the real and present threat
to democracy.
Post by Tony
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that there are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith Warren to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we should be very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours that we are
ready to hold you to account.
Such unwitting and self-unaware grandiosity!
Post by Tony
So I have achieved my purpose...
Now convince me.
Of what?
That you and Rich are being defensive about this? Yes you are.
That Rich in particular, but also you to a lesser extent often raise issues
from the past. Most often concerning a National government's alleged failures
or sins. But now you are both suggesting I should not do exactly the same thing
about the failures of this government.
Wow - now that is certainly grandiose, hypocritical and mightily precious.
Address the content or continue to fail Keith.
Nellie the Elephant
2021-09-11 02:00:56 UTC
Reply
Permalink
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:53:24 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting from the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your first lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your lovely black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more than a year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal of useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal shootings. I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
That's as may be, but there are way too many wackos around who believe that a
man holding a flag and brandishing a gun represents freedom, when it is those
very same deluded wackos who, ipso facto, represent the real and present threat
to democracy.
Post by Tony
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that there are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith Warren to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we should be very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours that we are
ready to hold you to account.
Such unwitting and self-unaware grandiosity!
Post by Tony
So I have achieved my purpose...
Now convince me.
Of what?
That you and Rich are being defensive about this? Yes you are.
That Rich in particular, but also you to a lesser extent often raise issues
from the past. Most often concerning a National government's alleged failures
or sins. But now you are both suggesting I should not do exactly the same thing
about the failures of this government.
Wow - now that is certainly grandiose, hypocritical and mightily precious.
Address the content or continue to fail Keith.
You beat me to it by a minute or two.
What a two faced pair they are. One rule for them and another set of
rules for the rest of humanity.
They have destroyed any scant respect they may once have had.
Tony
2021-09-11 02:25:29 UTC
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Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:53:24 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was
arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting from the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your first lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your
lovely
black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more than a year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal of useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal
shootings.
I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
That's as may be, but there are way too many wackos around who believe that a
man holding a flag and brandishing a gun represents freedom, when it is those
very same deluded wackos who, ipso facto, represent the real and present threat
to democracy.
Post by Tony
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that there are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith Warren to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we should be very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours that
we
are
ready to hold you to account.
Such unwitting and self-unaware grandiosity!
Post by Tony
So I have achieved my purpose...
Now convince me.
Of what?
That you and Rich are being defensive about this? Yes you are.
That Rich in particular, but also you to a lesser extent often raise issues
from the past. Most often concerning a National government's alleged failures
or sins. But now you are both suggesting I should not do exactly the same thing
about the failures of this government.
Wow - now that is certainly grandiose, hypocritical and mightily precious.
Address the content or continue to fail Keith.
You beat me to it by a minute or two.
What a two faced pair they are. One rule for them and another set of
rules for the rest of humanity.
They have destroyed any scant respect they may once have had.
He's a prize twat who fondly imagines himself to be admired by others, how
deluded can you get? Meanwhile he continues to be the most caustic idiot I have
ever encountered in a newsgroup.
Gordon
2021-09-12 01:55:11 UTC
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[snip]
Post by Tony
Post by Nellie the Elephant
You beat me to it by a minute or two.
What a two faced pair they are. One rule for them and another set of
rules for the rest of humanity.
They have destroyed any scant respect they may once have had.
He's a prize twat who fondly imagines himself to be admired by others, how
deluded can you get? Meanwhile he continues to be the most caustic idiot I have
ever encountered in a newsgroup.
Either that or he is very good at trolling.
Tony
2021-09-12 02:30:38 UTC
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Post by Gordon
[snip]
Post by Tony
Post by Nellie the Elephant
You beat me to it by a minute or two.
What a two faced pair they are. One rule for them and another set of
rules for the rest of humanity.
They have destroyed any scant respect they may once have had.
He's a prize twat who fondly imagines himself to be admired by others, how
deluded can you get? Meanwhile he continues to be the most caustic idiot I have
ever encountered in a newsgroup.
Either that or he is very good at trolling.
Maybe so. That makes him significantly more execrable.
James Christophers
2021-09-12 02:49:50 UTC
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Post by Gordon
[snip]
Post by Tony
Post by Nellie the Elephant
You beat me to it by a minute or two.
What a two faced pair they are. One rule for them and another set of
rules for the rest of humanity.
They have destroyed any scant respect they may once have had.
He's a prize twat who fondly imagines himself to be admired by others, how
deluded can you get? Meanwhile he continues to be the most caustic idiot I have
ever encountered in a newsgroup.
Either that or he is very good at trolling.
Then maybe you, Gordon, are one who, like me, learned early in life that it never pays to take one's self too seriously. A pity, then, that far too many are not so blessed with those same latent powers of self-detraction that elude the hobbled mentality, but which generously ease one's own progress along the rocky road of life, while simultaneously enhancing one's quintessential sense of proportion and perspective. If the so-hobbled but knew it, theirs is the crabbed, shuttered, twilight world of knee-jerk censure and captiousness, neurotic conspiracy theory and paranoia, bonehead obduracy and recalcitrance - all of which make for overly sententious moralising and mutual mistrust, ultimately fetching up in a bottomless void of disillusion, disappointment and disaffection.

Let them therefore continue to entertain a more enlightened and engaged world, say I!
Tony
2021-09-12 03:33:59 UTC
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Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
[snip]
Post by Tony
Post by Nellie the Elephant
You beat me to it by a minute or two.
What a two faced pair they are. One rule for them and another set of
rules for the rest of humanity.
They have destroyed any scant respect they may once have had.
He's a prize twat who fondly imagines himself to be admired by others, how
deluded can you get? Meanwhile he continues to be the most caustic idiot I have
ever encountered in a newsgroup.
Either that or he is very good at trolling.
Then maybe you, Gordon, are one who, like me, learned early in life that it
never pays to take one's self too seriously. A pity, then, that far too many
are not so blessed with those same latent powers of self-detraction that elude
the hobbled mentality, but which generously ease one's own progress along the
rocky road of life, while simultaneously enhancing one's quintessential sense
of proportion and perspective. If the so-hobbled but knew it, theirs is the
crabbed, shuttered, twilight world of knee-jerk censure and captiousness,
neurotic conspiracy theory and paranoia, bonehead obduracy and recalcitrance -
all of which make for overly sententious moralising and mutual mistrust,
ultimately fetching up in a bottomless void of disillusion, disappointment and
disaffection.
Let them therefore continue to entertain a more enlightened and engaged world, say I!
Lovely, bunkum but lovely bunkum. More grist to the mill.
So a troll you are then, finally proof clear to us all.
John Bowes
2021-09-12 04:25:55 UTC
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Post by Gordon
[snip]
Post by Tony
Post by Nellie the Elephant
You beat me to it by a minute or two.
What a two faced pair they are. One rule for them and another set of
rules for the rest of humanity.
They have destroyed any scant respect they may once have had.
He's a prize twat who fondly imagines himself to be admired by others, how
deluded can you get? Meanwhile he continues to be the most caustic idiot I have
ever encountered in a newsgroup.
Either that or he is very good at trolling.
Then maybe you, Gordon, are one who, like me, learned early in life that it never pays to take one's self too seriously. A pity, then, that far too many are not so blessed with those same latent powers of self-detraction that elude the hobbled mentality, but which generously ease one's own progress along the rocky road of life, while simultaneously enhancing one's quintessential sense of proportion and perspective. If the so-hobbled but knew it, theirs is the crabbed, shuttered, twilight world of knee-jerk censure and captiousness, neurotic conspiracy theory and paranoia, bonehead obduracy and recalcitrance - all of which make for overly sententious moralising and mutual mistrust, ultimately fetching up in a bottomless void of disillusion, disappointment and disaffection.
Let them therefore continue to entertain a more enlightened and engaged world, say I!
Yet another long winded self aggrandising load of bullshit from the king of bullshit! I'm surprised you aren't doing press releases for Winston who's even better at it than you are Keith:)
John Bowes
2021-09-12 04:24:17 UTC
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Post by Gordon
[snip]
Post by Tony
Post by Nellie the Elephant
You beat me to it by a minute or two.
What a two faced pair they are. One rule for them and another set of
rules for the rest of humanity.
They have destroyed any scant respect they may once have had.
He's a prize twat who fondly imagines himself to be admired by others, how
deluded can you get? Meanwhile he continues to be the most caustic idiot I have
ever encountered in a newsgroup.
Either that or he is very good at trolling.
He's VERY good at that along with making long winded pointless posts pushing an already failed claim :)
James Christophers
2021-09-11 02:09:42 UTC
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Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was
arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting from the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your first lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your lovely
black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more than a year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal of useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal shootings. I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
That's as may be, but there are way too many wackos around who believe that a
man holding a flag and brandishing a gun represents freedom, when it is those
very same deluded wackos who, ipso facto, represent the real and present threat
to democracy.
Post by Tony
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that there are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith Warren to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we should be very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours that we are
ready to hold you to account.
Such unwitting and self-unaware grandiosity!
Post by Tony
So I have achieved my purpose...
Now convince me.
Of what?
That your attention-seeking theatrics shouldn't be ignored or dismissed for what they are by the vast majority representing the sane and the reasoning.
Tony
2021-09-11 02:18:02 UTC
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Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was
arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting
from
the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your first lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your lovely
black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more than a year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal of useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal
shootings.
I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
That's as may be, but there are way too many wackos around who believe that a
man holding a flag and brandishing a gun represents freedom, when it is those
very same deluded wackos who, ipso facto, represent the real and present threat
to democracy.
Post by Tony
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that
there
are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith
Warren
to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we should be very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours that
we
are
ready to hold you to account.
Such unwitting and self-unaware grandiosity!
Post by Tony
So I have achieved my purpose...
Now convince me.
Of what?
That your attention-seeking theatrics shouldn't be ignored or dismissed for
what they are by the vast majority representing the sane and the reasoning.
Well you didn't ignore my on-point post and you failed miserably in arguing
that I should not have posted it.
You post what you like and argue that I should not. A self serving trashy
attitide.
The only things you are any good at are being abusive to those you consider to
be beneath yourself and the destruction of a very fine language with totally
unnecessary verbiage. You shoud join Rich in his well deserved corner of shame.
Now piss off you ungrateful lout of a geriatric, no doubt you fail at that also.
James Christophers
2021-09-11 02:39:37 UTC
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Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was
arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not
want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led,
at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down
levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers
have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting
from
the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your first lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your
lovely
black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more than a year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal of useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal
shootings.
I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
That's as may be, but there are way too many wackos around who believe that a
man holding a flag and brandishing a gun represents freedom, when it is those
very same deluded wackos who, ipso facto, represent the real and present threat
to democracy.
Post by Tony
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that
there
are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith
Warren
to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we should be very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours that
we
are
ready to hold you to account.
Such unwitting and self-unaware grandiosity!
Post by Tony
So I have achieved my purpose...
Now convince me.
Of what?
That your attention-seeking theatrics shouldn't be ignored or dismissed for
what they are by the vast majority representing the sane and the reasoning.
Well you didn't ignore my on-point post.
Quite right, so full marks, kiddo, for observation! Fact is, I dismissed your over-egged alarums and excursions for the rationale given.
and you failed miserably in arguing that I should not have posted it.
I have argued no such thing, so, once again, stop making shit up. Understand that if you really must insist on making such an Aunt Sally of yourself - grandiosity an' all - then you must also expect to be knocked over for your foolishness.
You post what you like and argue that I should not.
Just once more for those with failing cognition around here: stop making shit up.
Tony
2021-09-11 02:59:06 UTC
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Post by James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot
net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was
arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not
want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led,
at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more
about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down
levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers
have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting
from
the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your first lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your
lovely
black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more than
a
year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal of useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal
shootings.
I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
That's as may be, but there are way too many wackos around who believe
that
a
man holding a flag and brandishing a gun represents freedom, when it is those
very same deluded wackos who, ipso facto, represent the real and present threat
to democracy.
Post by Tony
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that
there
are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith
Warren
to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we should
be
very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours that
we
are
ready to hold you to account.
Such unwitting and self-unaware grandiosity!
Post by Tony
So I have achieved my purpose...
Now convince me.
Of what?
That your attention-seeking theatrics shouldn't be ignored or dismissed for
what they are by the vast majority representing the sane and the reasoning.
Well you didn't ignore my on-point post.
Quite right, so full marks, kiddo, for observation! Fact is, I dismissed your
over-egged alarums and excursions for the rationale given.
and you failed miserably in arguing that I should not have posted it.
I have argued no such thing, so, once again, stop making shit up. Understand
that if you really must insist on making such an Aunt Sally of yourself -
grandiosity an' all - then you must also expect to be knocked over for your
foolishness.
You post what you like and argue that I should not.
Just once more for those with failing cognition around here: stop making shit up.
No shit, nothing made up.
Please carefully read every word that is in this thread. You should be able to
do that in less than an hour or so.
You will see, if your cognitive synapses are functional that Rich pointedly
disputed my right (yes right, not privilege) to post what I did and you
re-inforced his opinion.
That, is enmough proof. Now be a good little socipopath and stop your abusive,
caustic and inverted snobbish rants. Time for a nap for you little man.
Rich80105
2021-09-11 03:04:29 UTC
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 21:59:06 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot
net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was
arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not
want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are
led,
at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more
about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down
levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers
have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting
from
the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your first lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable
of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but
on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your
lovely
black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more than
a
year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal of useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal
shootings.
I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
That's as may be, but there are way too many wackos around who believe
that
a
man holding a flag and brandishing a gun represents freedom, when it is those
very same deluded wackos who, ipso facto, represent the real and present threat
to democracy.
Post by Tony
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that
there
are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith
Warren
to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we should
be
very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours that
we
are
ready to hold you to account.
Such unwitting and self-unaware grandiosity!
Post by Tony
So I have achieved my purpose...
Now convince me.
Of what?
That your attention-seeking theatrics shouldn't be ignored or dismissed for
what they are by the vast majority representing the sane and the reasoning.
Well you didn't ignore my on-point post.
Quite right, so full marks, kiddo, for observation! Fact is, I dismissed your
over-egged alarums and excursions for the rationale given.
and you failed miserably in arguing that I should not have posted it.
I have argued no such thing, so, once again, stop making shit up. Understand
that if you really must insist on making such an Aunt Sally of yourself -
grandiosity an' all - then you must also expect to be knocked over for your
foolishness.
You post what you like and argue that I should not.
Just once more for those with failing cognition around here: stop making shit up.
No shit, nothing made up.
Please carefully read every word that is in this thread. You should be able to
do that in less than an hour or so.
You will see, if your cognitive synapses are functional that Rich pointedly
disputed my right (yes right, not privilege) to post what I did and you
re-inforced his opinion.
I am not going to read the whole thread if you cannot quote a post you
are now relying on. I do dispute your claim that an opinion of Cameron
Slater is evidence of fact - what facts have you actually posted?
Post by Tony
That, is enmough proof.
Proof of what, Tony?
Post by Tony
Now be a good little socipopath and stop your abusive,
caustic and inverted snobbish rants. Time for a nap for you little man.
Tony
2021-09-11 03:14:55 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 21:59:06 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot
net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon
dot
net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was
arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do
not
want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are
led,
at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary,
but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more
about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down
levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police
powers
have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting
from
the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your first lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable
of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but
on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your
lovely
black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more than
a
year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal
of
useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal
shootings.
I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
That's as may be, but there are way too many wackos around who believe
that
a
man holding a flag and brandishing a gun represents freedom, when it
is
those
very same deluded wackos who, ipso facto, represent the real and
present
threat
to democracy.
Post by Tony
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that
there
are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith
Warren
to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we should
be
very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours that
we
are
ready to hold you to account.
Such unwitting and self-unaware grandiosity!
Post by Tony
So I have achieved my purpose...
Now convince me.
Of what?
That your attention-seeking theatrics shouldn't be ignored or dismissed for
what they are by the vast majority representing the sane and the reasoning.
Well you didn't ignore my on-point post.
Quite right, so full marks, kiddo, for observation! Fact is, I dismissed your
over-egged alarums and excursions for the rationale given.
and you failed miserably in arguing that I should not have posted it.
I have argued no such thing, so, once again, stop making shit up. Understand
that if you really must insist on making such an Aunt Sally of yourself -
grandiosity an' all - then you must also expect to be knocked over for your
foolishness.
You post what you like and argue that I should not.
Just once more for those with failing cognition around here: stop making
shit
up.
No shit, nothing made up.
Please carefully read every word that is in this thread. You should be able to
do that in less than an hour or so.
You will see, if your cognitive synapses are functional that Rich pointedly
disputed my right (yes right, not privilege) to post what I did and you
re-inforced his opinion.
I am not going to read the whole thread if you cannot quote a post you
are now relying on. I do dispute your claim that an opinion of Cameron
Slater is evidence of fact - what facts have you actually posted?
Rich you have lost the plot entirely, you are answering a post I made to Keith.
Not you.
Do get your prescription filled.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
That, is enmough proof.
Proof of what, Tony?
Post by Tony
Now be a good little socipopath and stop your abusive,
caustic and inverted snobbish rants. Time for a nap for you little man.
James Christophers
2021-09-11 03:33:50 UTC
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Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot
net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot
net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was
arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not
want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are
led,
at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more
about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down
levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers
have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting
from
the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your first lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable
of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but
on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your
lovely
black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more than
a
year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal of
useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal
shootings.
I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
That's as may be, but there are way too many wackos around who believe
that
a
man holding a flag and brandishing a gun represents freedom, when it is those
very same deluded wackos who, ipso facto, represent the real and present
threat
to democracy.
Post by Tony
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that
there
are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith
Warren
to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we should
be
very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours that
we
are
ready to hold you to account.
Such unwitting and self-unaware grandiosity!
Post by Tony
So I have achieved my purpose...
Now convince me.
Of what?
That your attention-seeking theatrics shouldn't be ignored or dismissed for
what they are by the vast majority representing the sane and the reasoning.
Well you didn't ignore my on-point post.
Quite right, so full marks, kiddo, for observation! Fact is, I dismissed your
over-egged alarums and excursions for the rationale given.
and you failed miserably in arguing that I should not have posted it.
I have argued no such thing, so, once again, stop making shit up. Understand
that if you really must insist on making such an Aunt Sally of yourself -
grandiosity an' all - then you must also expect to be knocked over for your
foolishness.
You post what you like and argue that I should not.
Just once more for those with failing cognition around here: stop making shit
up.
No shit, nothing made up.
Please carefully read every word that is in this thread. You should be able to
do that in less than an hour or so.
You will see, if your cognitive synapses are functional that Rich pointedly
disputed my right (yes right, not privilege) to post what I did and you
re-inforced his opinion.
I am not Rich's keeper and neither is he mine. On this open, unmoderated forum, Rich - like any one else, including you - may subjectively interpret and comment on any post he wishes, this being the very essence of both freedom and democracy as they should be. If you would openly argue otherwise, then before you do so, reflect on your own increasingly warped interpretation of democracy which you - all unawares - insistently and consistently attempt to re-shape and exert in your own self-deluding image whose unattractive, unedifying nature is self-evidently plain to all but you.
Post by Tony
That, is enmough proof.
On this one matter yours is merely an interpretive opinion based on both perjorative and wishful thinking. It cannot, therefore, be fact-based proof in the established meaning of the word.

(snipped even more of your infantile rhetoric, re-vomited for no other reason other than your own successive failures to retrieve your already long lost position.)
Tony
2021-09-11 04:05:11 UTC
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Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot
net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon
dot
net
Post by Tony
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government
was
arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do
not
want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are
led,
at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary,
but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned
more
about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and
down
levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police
powers
have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting
from
the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your first lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is
capable
of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like -
but
on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in
your
lovely
black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more than
a
year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal of
useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal
shootings.
I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
That's as may be, but there are way too many wackos around who believe
that
a
man holding a flag and brandishing a gun represents freedom, when it
is
those
very same deluded wackos who, ipso facto, represent the real and present
threat
to democracy.
Post by Tony
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that
there
are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith
Warren
to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we should
be
very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours that
we
are
ready to hold you to account.
Such unwitting and self-unaware grandiosity!
Post by Tony
So I have achieved my purpose...
Now convince me.
Of what?
That your attention-seeking theatrics shouldn't be ignored or dismissed for
what they are by the vast majority representing the sane and the reasoning.
Well you didn't ignore my on-point post.
Quite right, so full marks, kiddo, for observation! Fact is, I dismissed your
over-egged alarums and excursions for the rationale given.
and you failed miserably in arguing that I should not have posted it.
I have argued no such thing, so, once again, stop making shit up. Understand
that if you really must insist on making such an Aunt Sally of yourself -
grandiosity an' all - then you must also expect to be knocked over for your
foolishness.
You post what you like and argue that I should not.
Just once more for those with failing cognition around here: stop making shit
up.
No shit, nothing made up.
Please carefully read every word that is in this thread. You should be able to
do that in less than an hour or so.
You will see, if your cognitive synapses are functional that Rich pointedly
disputed my right (yes right, not privilege) to post what I did and you
re-inforced his opinion.
I am not Rich's keeper and neither is he mine. On this open, unmoderated
forum, Rich - like any one else, including you - may subjectively interpret and
comment on any post he wishes, this being the very essence of both freedom and
democracy as they should be. If you would openly argue otherwise, then before
you do so, reflect on your own increasingly warped interpretation of democracy
which you - all unawares - insistently and consistently attempt to re-shape and
exert in your own self-deluding image whose unattractive, unedifying nature is
self-evidently plain to all but you.
Post by Tony
That, is enmough proof.
On this one matter yours is merely an interpretive opinion based on both
perjorative and wishful thinking. It cannot, therefore, be fact-based proof in
the established meaning of the word.
(snipped even more of your infantile rhetoric, re-vomited for no other reason
other than your own successive failures to retrieve your already long lost
position.)
Snip away you auld fool.
I have never suggested let alone demanded that somoene not post anything here.
Rich has and you have supported that. Fact.
All your protestations to the contrary are lies.
You are guilty as charged.
Now do those of us with with integrity a favour and stop being such a
disrespectful and abusive little sociopath.
Rich80105
2021-09-11 04:26:55 UTC
Reply
Permalink
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 23:05:11 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot
net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon
dot
net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon
dot
net
Post by Tony
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government
was
arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do
not
want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are
led,
at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary,
but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned
more
about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and
down
levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police
powers
have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a
very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of
shooting
from
the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe
in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your first lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is
capable
of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like -
but
on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards
the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in
your
lovely
black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided
no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more than
a
year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal of
useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal
shootings.
I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
That's as may be, but there are way too many wackos around who believe
that
a
man holding a flag and brandishing a gun represents freedom, when it
is
those
very same deluded wackos who, ipso facto, represent the real and present
threat
to democracy.
Post by Tony
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that
there
are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith
Warren
to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we should
be
very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours
that
we
are
ready to hold you to account.
Such unwitting and self-unaware grandiosity!
Post by Tony
So I have achieved my purpose...
Now convince me.
Of what?
That your attention-seeking theatrics shouldn't be ignored or dismissed for
what they are by the vast majority representing the sane and the reasoning.
Well you didn't ignore my on-point post.
Quite right, so full marks, kiddo, for observation! Fact is, I dismissed your
over-egged alarums and excursions for the rationale given.
and you failed miserably in arguing that I should not have posted it.
I have argued no such thing, so, once again, stop making shit up. Understand
that if you really must insist on making such an Aunt Sally of yourself -
grandiosity an' all - then you must also expect to be knocked over for your
foolishness.
You post what you like and argue that I should not.
Just once more for those with failing cognition around here: stop making shit
up.
No shit, nothing made up.
Please carefully read every word that is in this thread. You should be able to
do that in less than an hour or so.
You will see, if your cognitive synapses are functional that Rich pointedly
disputed my right (yes right, not privilege) to post what I did and you
re-inforced his opinion.
I am not Rich's keeper and neither is he mine. On this open, unmoderated
forum, Rich - like any one else, including you - may subjectively interpret and
comment on any post he wishes, this being the very essence of both freedom and
democracy as they should be. If you would openly argue otherwise, then before
you do so, reflect on your own increasingly warped interpretation of democracy
which you - all unawares - insistently and consistently attempt to re-shape and
exert in your own self-deluding image whose unattractive, unedifying nature is
self-evidently plain to all but you.
Post by Tony
That, is enmough proof.
On this one matter yours is merely an interpretive opinion based on both
perjorative and wishful thinking. It cannot, therefore, be fact-based proof in
the established meaning of the word.
(snipped even more of your infantile rhetoric, re-vomited for no other reason
other than your own successive failures to retrieve your already long lost
position.)
Snip away you auld fool.
I have never suggested let alone demanded that somoene not post anything here.
Rich has and you have supported that. Fact.
All your protestations to the contrary are lies.
You are quick to accuse others of lying, but cannot provide evidence
when you accuse others. Perhaps you write for the bfd . . .

If you cannot refer to the post in which you claim I made such an
extraordinary demand then I frankly do not believe you.

Time to be honest and prove your claims, Tony.
Post by Tony
You are guilty as charged.
Now do those of us with with integrity a favour and stop being such a
disrespectful and abusive little sociopath.
James Christophers
2021-09-12 00:48:29 UTC
Reply
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Post by Tony
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot
net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon
dot
net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon
dot
net
Post by Tony
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government
was
arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do
not
want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are
led,
at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary,
but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned
more
about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and
down
levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police
powers
have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a
very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of
shooting
from
the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered
but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe
in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your first lie, but what you
are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you
are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is
capable
of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like -
but
on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards
the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in
your
lovely
black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided
no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more
than
a
year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal
of
useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal
shootings.
I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
That's as may be, but there are way too many wackos around who believe
that
a
man holding a flag and brandishing a gun represents freedom, when it
is
those
very same deluded wackos who, ipso facto, represent the real and
present
threat
to democracy.
Post by Tony
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that
there
are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith
Warren
to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we
should
be
very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated
by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours
that
we
are
ready to hold you to account.
Such unwitting and self-unaware grandiosity!
Post by Tony
So I have achieved my purpose...
Now convince me.
Of what?
That your attention-seeking theatrics shouldn't be ignored or dismissed for
what they are by the vast majority representing the sane and the reasoning.
Well you didn't ignore my on-point post.
Quite right, so full marks, kiddo, for observation! Fact is, I dismissed your
over-egged alarums and excursions for the rationale given.
and you failed miserably in arguing that I should not have posted it.
I have argued no such thing, so, once again, stop making shit up. Understand
that if you really must insist on making such an Aunt Sally of yourself -
grandiosity an' all - then you must also expect to be knocked over for your
foolishness.
You post what you like and argue that I should not.
Just once more for those with failing cognition around here: stop making shit
up.
No shit, nothing made up.
Please carefully read every word that is in this thread. You should be able to
do that in less than an hour or so.
You will see, if your cognitive synapses are functional that Rich pointedly
disputed my right (yes right, not privilege) to post what I did and you
re-inforced his opinion.
I am not Rich's keeper and neither is he mine. On this open, unmoderated
forum, Rich - like any one else, including you - may subjectively interpret and
comment on any post he wishes, this being the very essence of both freedom and
democracy as they should be. If you would openly argue otherwise, then before
you do so, reflect on your own increasingly warped interpretation of democracy
which you - all unawares - insistently and consistently attempt to re-shape and
exert in your own self-deluding image whose unattractive, unedifying nature is
self-evidently plain to all but you.
Post by Tony
That, is enmough proof.
On this one matter yours is merely an interpretive opinion based on both
perjorative and wishful thinking. It cannot, therefore, be fact-based proof in
the established meaning of the word.
(snipped even more of your infantile rhetoric, re-vomited for no other reason
other than your own successive failures to retrieve your already long lost
position.)
Snip away you auld fool.
I have never suggested let alone demanded that somoene not post anything here.
Rich has and you have supported that. Fact.
All your protestations to the contrary are lies.
You are guilty as charged.
Thus, all unawares you have brought yourself that moment where you now confronted by the nemesis of your own making, having made of yourself:

False witness, prosecutor, judge and jury...

...all rolled into one, thus conclusively confirming and representing Usenet's self-anointed Caligula's idea of justice for all under his now hopelessly sullied and degraded notions of freedom and democracy.

All that's missing is the flag waving and the gun toting that would once and for all identify this risible kook-cum-closet-totalitarian as the world's one and only true and righteous bastion of freedom!
John Bowes
2021-09-12 01:03:21 UTC
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On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 12:48:31 PM UTC+12, ***@gmail.com wrote:
Rambling bullshit removed.
James Christophers
2021-09-12 01:21:28 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
Rambling bullshit removed.
Mmmm...still there on my browser and, optionally, on all others, faithfully retained and archived by Google and solely at Google's pleasure. Hence, your trumpeted futility and hapless impotence duly noted with satisfaction.
Tony
2021-09-12 01:50:07 UTC
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Permalink
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Rambling bullshit removed.
Mmmm...still there on my browser and, optionally, on all others, faithfully
retained and archived by Google and solely at Google's pleasure. Hence, your
trumpeted futility and hapless impotence duly noted with satisfaction.
Well actually you are technically incorrect on one count.
Google is not the main repository of usenet posts. You are one of a small
number of people here that keep making that assumption. Usenet posts are kept
independently by quite a few usenet services several of which are significantly
larger than Google (measured by the number of posts they retain). Therefore
retention is not in any way at Google's pleasure. Nevertheless there is nothing
at all wrong with truncating posts, there are several good reasons for doing
so. Try it one day, it might clear your head a little.
James Christophers
2021-09-12 02:30:10 UTC
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Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Rambling bullshit removed.
Mmmm...still there on my browser and, optionally, on all others, faithfully
retained and archived by Google and solely at Google's pleasure. Hence, your
trumpeted futility and hapless impotence duly noted with satisfaction.
Well actually you are technically incorrect on one count.
Google is not the main repository of usenet posts. You are one of a small
number of people here that keep making that assumption.
The essence and intent of the message is clear, and that's what counts.
Tony
2021-09-12 03:31:22 UTC
Reply
Permalink
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Rambling bullshit removed.
Mmmm...still there on my browser and, optionally, on all others, faithfully
retained and archived by Google and solely at Google's pleasure. Hence, your
trumpeted futility and hapless impotence duly noted with satisfaction.
Well actually you are technically incorrect on one count.
Google is not the main repository of usenet posts. You are one of a small
number of people here that keep making that assumption.
The essence and intent of the message is clear, and that's what counts.
The essence of your message is far from clear, it is garbage. Sheer guesswork
by someone who insists on being seen to be smarter than the rest of humanity.
Well you are not, you are a poseur and we all know it.
Rich80105
2021-09-12 07:43:30 UTC
Reply
Permalink
On Sat, 11 Sep 2021 22:31:22 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Rambling bullshit removed.
Mmmm...still there on my browser and, optionally, on all others, faithfully
retained and archived by Google and solely at Google's pleasure. Hence, your
trumpeted futility and hapless impotence duly noted with satisfaction.
Well actually you are technically incorrect on one count.
Google is not the main repository of usenet posts. You are one of a small
number of people here that keep making that assumption.
The essence and intent of the message is clear, and that's what counts.
The essence of your message is far from clear, it is garbage. Sheer guesswork
by someone who insists on being seen to be smarter than the rest of humanity.
Well you are not, you are a poseur and we all know it.
Far from it, Tony. The thread has gone on for a while, and that can
confuse one poster to nz.general, who clearly became either too
confused or alternatively realised that he was unable to cope with the
discussion, so lashed out and deleted nearly everything to that stage,
saying "Rambling bullshit removed"

James Christophers responded by saying that the previous thread was
still preserved - and indeed the post that perhaps triggered the
confusion / depair of John Bowes is still avaialble - it read:
_________
Thus, all unawares you have brought yourself that moment where you now
confronted by the nemesis of your own making, having made of yourself:

False witness, prosecutor, judge and jury...

...all rolled into one, thus conclusively confirming and representing
Usenet's self-anointed Caligula's idea of justice for all under his
now hopelessly sullied and degraded notions of freedom and democracy.

All that's missing is the flag waving and the gun toting that would
once and for all identify this risible kook-cum-closet-totalitarian as
the world's one and only true and righteous bastion of freedom!
_________

To your credit you did not try to dispute the essential truth of that
post, but somewhat bizzarely tried to create an argument about where
on the internet the information is stored . . . .

James Christophers 1, "undefined" 0

Tony
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Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon
dot
net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon
dot
net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at
orcon
dot
net
Post by Tony
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government
was
arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you
are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and
do
not
want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments
are
led,
at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as
necessary,
but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned
more
about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and
down
levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police
powers
have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a
very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of
shooting
from
the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered
but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't
believe
in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your first lie, but what you
are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you
are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is
capable
of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like
-
but
on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards
the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . .
.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come
true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in
your
lovely
black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have
provided
no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more
than
a
year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal
of
useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal
shootings.
I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
That's as may be, but there are way too many wackos around who
believe
that
a
man holding a flag and brandishing a gun represents freedom, when it
is
those
very same deluded wackos who, ipso facto, represent the real and
present
threat
to democracy.
Post by Tony
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is
that
there
are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and
Keith
Warren
to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we
should
be
very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated
by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and
yours
that
we
are
ready to hold you to account.
Such unwitting and self-unaware grandiosity!
Post by Tony
So I have achieved my purpose...
Now convince me.
Of what?
That your attention-seeking theatrics shouldn't be ignored or
dismissed
for
what they are by the vast majority representing the sane and the reasoning.
Well you didn't ignore my on-point post.
Quite right, so full marks, kiddo, for observation! Fact is, I dismissed your
over-egged alarums and excursions for the rationale given.
and you failed miserably in arguing that I should not have posted it.
I have argued no such thing, so, once again, stop making shit up. Understand
that if you really must insist on making such an Aunt Sally of yourself -
grandiosity an' all - then you must also expect to be knocked over for your
foolishness.
You post what you like and argue that I should not.
Just once more for those with failing cognition around here: stop making shit
up.
No shit, nothing made up.
Please carefully read every word that is in this thread. You should be
able
to
do that in less than an hour or so.
You will see, if your cognitive synapses are functional that Rich pointedly
disputed my right (yes right, not privilege) to post what I did and you
re-inforced his opinion.
I am not Rich's keeper and neither is he mine. On this open, unmoderated
forum, Rich - like any one else, including you - may subjectively interpret and
comment on any post he wishes, this being the very essence of both freedom and
democracy as they should be. If you would openly argue otherwise, then before
you do so, reflect on your own increasingly warped interpretation of democracy
which you - all unawares - insistently and consistently attempt to re-shape and
exert in your own self-deluding image whose unattractive, unedifying nature is
self-evidently plain to all but you.
Post by Tony
That, is enmough proof.
On this one matter yours is merely an interpretive opinion based on both
perjorative and wishful thinking. It cannot, therefore, be fact-based proof in
the established meaning of the word.
(snipped even more of your infantile rhetoric, re-vomited for no other reason
other than your own successive failures to retrieve your already long lost
position.)
Snip away you auld fool.
I have never suggested let alone demanded that somoene not post anything here.
Rich has and you have supported that. Fact.
All your protestations to the contrary are lies.
You are guilty as charged.
Thus, all unawares you have brought yourself that moment where you now
False witness, prosecutor, judge and jury...
...all rolled into one, thus conclusively confirming and representing Usenet's
self-anointed Caligula's idea of justice for all under his now hopelessly
sullied and degraded notions of freedom and democracy.
All that's missing is the flag waving and the gun toting that would once and
for all identify this risible kook-cum-closet-totalitarian as the world's one
and only true and righteous bastion of freedom!
No Keith Warren that is you. Your self-aggrandising imaginary superiority is in
and of itself sufficient to convict you. Guilty as charged m'lud.
Go on James (sic) carry on with your singularly risible abuse, it is providing
light relief. Only you could take yourself seriously.
Rich80105
2021-09-11 02:26:41 UTC
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:53:24 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting from the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your first lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your lovely black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more than a year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal of useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal shootings. I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
That's as may be, but there are way too many wackos around who believe that a
man holding a flag and brandishing a gun represents freedom, when it is those
very same deluded wackos who, ipso facto, represent the real and present threat
to democracy.
Post by Tony
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that there are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith Warren to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we should be very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours that we are
ready to hold you to account.
Such unwitting and self-unaware grandiosity!
Post by Tony
So I have achieved my purpose...
Now convince me.
Of what?
That you and Rich are being defensive about this? Yes you are.
That Rich in particular, but also you to a lesser extent often raise issues
from the past. Most often concerning a National government's alleged failures
or sins. But now you are both suggesting I should not do exactly the same thing
about the failures of this government.
What failure have you raised, Tony?
Post by Tony
Wow - now that is certainly grandiose, hypocritical and mightily precious.
Address the content or continue to fail Keith.
Indeed content rather than rhetoric from you is exactly what I am
asking for. What failure are you claiming to be talking about?
Tony
2021-09-11 02:30:03 UTC
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Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:53:24 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was
arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting from the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your first lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your
lovely
black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more than a year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal of useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal
shootings.
I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
That's as may be, but there are way too many wackos around who believe that a
man holding a flag and brandishing a gun represents freedom, when it is those
very same deluded wackos who, ipso facto, represent the real and present threat
to democracy.
Post by Tony
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that there are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith Warren to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we should be very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours that
we
are
ready to hold you to account.
Such unwitting and self-unaware grandiosity!
Post by Tony
So I have achieved my purpose...
Now convince me.
Of what?
That you and Rich are being defensive about this? Yes you are.
That Rich in particular, but also you to a lesser extent often raise issues
from the past. Most often concerning a National government's alleged failures
or sins. But now you are both suggesting I should not do exactly the same thing
about the failures of this government.
What failure have you raised, Tony?
Post by Tony
Wow - now that is certainly grandiose, hypocritical and mightily precious.
Address the content or continue to fail Keith.
Indeed content rather than rhetoric from you is exactly what I am
asking for. What failure are you claiming to be talking about?
Read the first post.
Address what I wrote. Why do you not believe I should post something about this
government when you defend your privilege of posting swhatever you want.?
Answer that or go away.
Rich80105
2021-09-11 02:58:42 UTC
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 21:30:03 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:53:24 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was
arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting from the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your first lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your
lovely
black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more than a year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal of useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal
shootings.
I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
That's as may be, but there are way too many wackos around who believe that a
man holding a flag and brandishing a gun represents freedom, when it is those
very same deluded wackos who, ipso facto, represent the real and present threat
to democracy.
Post by Tony
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that there are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith Warren to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we should be very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours that
we
are
ready to hold you to account.
Such unwitting and self-unaware grandiosity!
Post by Tony
So I have achieved my purpose...
Now convince me.
Of what?
That you and Rich are being defensive about this? Yes you are.
That Rich in particular, but also you to a lesser extent often raise issues
from the past. Most often concerning a National government's alleged failures
or sins. But now you are both suggesting I should not do exactly the same thing
about the failures of this government.
What failure have you raised, Tony?
Post by Tony
Wow - now that is certainly grandiose, hypocritical and mightily precious.
Address the content or continue to fail Keith.
Indeed content rather than rhetoric from you is exactly what I am
asking for. What failure are you claiming to be talking about?
Read the first post.
Address what I wrote. Why do you not believe I should post something about this
government when you defend your privilege of posting swhatever you want.?
Answer that or go away.
You posted a link from May 2020,
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
with all sorts of alarmist opinions, including an article written by
Cameron Slater (Whaleoil) posted to the replacement for his site - the
rabid concerns have proved to be totally unjustified. An extremist
political opinion is not fact, Tony!
Tony
2021-09-11 03:01:37 UTC
Reply
Permalink
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 21:30:03 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:53:24 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was
arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting
from
the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your first lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your
lovely
black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more than a year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal of useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal
shootings.
I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
That's as may be, but there are way too many wackos around who believe
that
a
man holding a flag and brandishing a gun represents freedom, when it is those
very same deluded wackos who, ipso facto, represent the real and present threat
to democracy.
Post by Tony
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that
there
are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith
Warren
to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we should be very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours that
we
are
ready to hold you to account.
Such unwitting and self-unaware grandiosity!
Post by Tony
So I have achieved my purpose...
Now convince me.
Of what?
That you and Rich are being defensive about this? Yes you are.
That Rich in particular, but also you to a lesser extent often raise issues
from the past. Most often concerning a National government's alleged failures
or sins. But now you are both suggesting I should not do exactly the same thing
about the failures of this government.
What failure have you raised, Tony?
Post by Tony
Wow - now that is certainly grandiose, hypocritical and mightily precious.
Address the content or continue to fail Keith.
Indeed content rather than rhetoric from you is exactly what I am
asking for. What failure are you claiming to be talking about?
Read the first post.
Address what I wrote. Why do you not believe I should post something about this
government when you defend your privilege of posting swhatever you want.?
Answer that or go away.
You posted a link from May 2020,
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
with all sorts of alarmist opinions, including an article written by
Cameron Slater (Whaleoil) posted to the replacement for his site - the
rabid concerns have proved to be totally unjustified. An extremist
political opinion is not fact, Tony!
Irrelevant now that you have diverted the topic.
Read and either follow the logic this time of sod off.
I repeat -
Why do you not believe I should post something about this
government when you defend your privilege of posting whatever you want.?
Answer that or go away.
Rich80105
2021-09-11 03:08:39 UTC
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 22:01:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 21:30:03 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:53:24 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was
arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not
want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led,
at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down
levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers
have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting
from
the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your first lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your
lovely
black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more than a year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal of useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal
shootings.
I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
That's as may be, but there are way too many wackos around who believe
that
a
man holding a flag and brandishing a gun represents freedom, when it is those
very same deluded wackos who, ipso facto, represent the real and present threat
to democracy.
Post by Tony
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that
there
are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith
Warren
to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we should be very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours that
we
are
ready to hold you to account.
Such unwitting and self-unaware grandiosity!
Post by Tony
So I have achieved my purpose...
Now convince me.
Of what?
That you and Rich are being defensive about this? Yes you are.
That Rich in particular, but also you to a lesser extent often raise issues
from the past. Most often concerning a National government's alleged failures
or sins. But now you are both suggesting I should not do exactly the same thing
about the failures of this government.
What failure have you raised, Tony?
Post by Tony
Wow - now that is certainly grandiose, hypocritical and mightily precious.
Address the content or continue to fail Keith.
Indeed content rather than rhetoric from you is exactly what I am
asking for. What failure are you claiming to be talking about?
Read the first post.
Address what I wrote. Why do you not believe I should post something about this
government when you defend your privilege of posting swhatever you want.?
Answer that or go away.
You posted a link from May 2020,
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
with all sorts of alarmist opinions, including an article written by
Cameron Slater (Whaleoil) posted to the replacement for his site - the
rabid concerns have proved to be totally unjustified. An extremist
political opinion is not fact, Tony!
Irrelevant now that you have diverted the topic.
Read and either follow the logic this time of sod off.
I repeat -
Why do you not believe I should post something about this
government when you defend your privilege of posting whatever you want.?
I don't believe I have - I have however said that a Facebook item from
May 2020 asserting that the government was giving itself draconian
powers has proved to be false - the legislation referred to has not
yet been through the legislative process!

Your ability to think an opinion is uncontravertable evidence is
perhaps an indication that you are not thinking clearly - relying on
an article by Whaleoil is not providing evidence, Tony.

So I ask again, what purported failure of government are you on about,
Tony?
Post by Tony
Answer that or go away.
Tony
2021-09-11 03:16:35 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 22:01:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 21:30:03 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:53:24 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot
net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was
arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not
want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led,
at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more
about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down
levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers
have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting
from
the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your first lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your
lovely
black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more than
a
year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal of useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal
shootings.
I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
That's as may be, but there are way too many wackos around who believe
that
a
man holding a flag and brandishing a gun represents freedom, when it is those
very same deluded wackos who, ipso facto, represent the real and present threat
to democracy.
Post by Tony
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that
there
are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith
Warren
to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we should
be
very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours that
we
are
ready to hold you to account.
Such unwitting and self-unaware grandiosity!
Post by Tony
So I have achieved my purpose...
Now convince me.
Of what?
That you and Rich are being defensive about this? Yes you are.
That Rich in particular, but also you to a lesser extent often raise issues
from the past. Most often concerning a National government's alleged failures
or sins. But now you are both suggesting I should not do exactly the same thing
about the failures of this government.
What failure have you raised, Tony?
Post by Tony
Wow - now that is certainly grandiose, hypocritical and mightily precious.
Address the content or continue to fail Keith.
Indeed content rather than rhetoric from you is exactly what I am
asking for. What failure are you claiming to be talking about?
Read the first post.
Address what I wrote. Why do you not believe I should post something about this
government when you defend your privilege of posting swhatever you want.?
Answer that or go away.
You posted a link from May 2020,
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
with all sorts of alarmist opinions, including an article written by
Cameron Slater (Whaleoil) posted to the replacement for his site - the
rabid concerns have proved to be totally unjustified. An extremist
political opinion is not fact, Tony!
Irrelevant now that you have diverted the topic.
Read and either follow the logic this time of sod off.
I repeat -
Why do you not believe I should post something about this
government when you defend your privilege of posting whatever you want.?
I don't believe I have.
Of course you have so here we are.
Address what I wrote. Why do you not believe I should post something about
this government when you defend your privilege of posting swhatever you want.?
Answer that or go away.
Gordon
2021-09-11 05:13:28 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 21:30:03 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
[snip]
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Read the first post.
Address what I wrote. Why do you not believe I should post something about this
government when you defend your privilege of posting swhatever you want.?
Answer that or go away.
You posted a link from May 2020,
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
with all sorts of alarmist opinions, including an article written by
Cameron Slater (Whaleoil) posted to the replacement for his site - the
rabid concerns have proved to be totally unjustified. An extremist
political opinion is not fact, Tony!
Maybe so. However the question reminds in a country of free speech why you
are trying to shut Tony down.

You could start by expanding on your "totally unjustified" above.

Finally, life is full of views/opinions/beliefs which are not facts.
Rich80105
2021-09-11 05:36:29 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 21:30:03 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
[snip]
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Read the first post.
Address what I wrote. Why do you not believe I should post something about this
government when you defend your privilege of posting swhatever you want.?
Answer that or go away.
You posted a link from May 2020,
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
with all sorts of alarmist opinions, including an article written by
Cameron Slater (Whaleoil) posted to the replacement for his site - the
rabid concerns have proved to be totally unjustified. An extremist
political opinion is not fact, Tony!
Maybe so. However the question reminds in a country of free speech why you
are trying to shut Tony down.
You could start by expanding on your "totally unjustified" above.
Fair comment - her companion did go into the water; not an issue
regardinghte rules apparently but could have been interpreted as such.
Post by Gordon
Finally, life is full of views/opinions/beliefs which are not facts.
Indeed, which is why I have asked Tony for the statement he claims I
have made - asking tony to post is hardly shutting him down . . .
John Bowes
2021-09-11 07:56:55 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 21:30:03 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:53:24 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 00:21:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was
arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down
levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers
have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
There is still hate speech laws, we just had an example of shooting from
the
hip. ANd it will continue.
There are no hate speech laws - legislation is being considered but
there is a lot of consultation still to go - but you don't believe in
consultation, do you Tony. That is your first lie, but what you are
referring to as shooting from the hip is a mystery - unless you are
referring to yourself; that seems to be all you do.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
I did not find it, it found me.
That does sound nasty - but you were fool enough to post it . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your
lovely
black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
I have no such fantasies but your apology is accepted.
So what excuse do you have for your fantasies - you have provided no
evidence for your assertion of alarming police powers . . .
You and your cronies have been pushing hate speech laws for more than a year.
Shooting from the hip? - how about the totally unnecessary removal of useful
guns from hunters and farmers which produced no change in illegal
shootings.
I
have no axe to grind, I don't have or need a gun.
That's as may be, but there are way too many wackos around who believe that a
man holding a flag and brandishing a gun represents freedom, when it is those
very same deluded wackos who, ipso facto, represent the real and present threat
to democracy.
Post by Tony
But the bottom line here, despite your sarcasm and rudeness, is that there are
some of us that care about democracy. The reaction by you and Keith Warren to a
simple reminder that we should be careful demonstrates that we should be very
careful indeed of those who are happy to see our rights subjugated by
authoritarian people like you with your jackboots raised.
I and the real New Zealanders will continue to remind you and yours that
we
are
ready to hold you to account.
Such unwitting and self-unaware grandiosity!
Post by Tony
So I have achieved my purpose...
Now convince me.
Of what?
That you and Rich are being defensive about this? Yes you are.
That Rich in particular, but also you to a lesser extent often raise issues
from the past. Most often concerning a National government's alleged failures
or sins. But now you are both suggesting I should not do exactly the same thing
about the failures of this government.
What failure have you raised, Tony?
Post by Tony
Wow - now that is certainly grandiose, hypocritical and mightily precious.
Address the content or continue to fail Keith.
Indeed content rather than rhetoric from you is exactly what I am
asking for. What failure are you claiming to be talking about?
Read the first post.
Address what I wrote. Why do you not believe I should post something about this
government when you defend your privilege of posting swhatever you want.?
Answer that or go away.
You posted a link from May 2020,
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
with all sorts of alarmist opinions, including an article written by
Cameron Slater (Whaleoil) posted to the replacement for his site - the
rabid concerns have proved to be totally unjustified. An extremist
political opinion is not fact, Tony!
FFS Rich in the past you've posted links that were ten or more years old! In Tony's case it was still relevant. In your case they've been totalirrelivent much like the latest spin from thestranded!
Tony
2021-09-11 21:28:04 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 21:30:03 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:53:24 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was
arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
Post by Rich80105
The post is from 8 May 2020
You posted a link from May 2020,
Address what I wrote. Why do you not believe I should post something about this
government when you defend your privilege of posting whatever you want?

Using carefully chosen little words. Read carefully now Rich.
You often post old links, and invariably as a criticism of National, some many
years old. Therefore you do so for poliitical purposes.
Why is it that you can do that but you are hysterical about me posting a link
only from last year?
All your other nonsense in this thread is a deliberate attempt at diversion.
Answer my question or go back to your reform school.
Rich80105
2021-09-11 22:26:49 UTC
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2021 16:28:04 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 21:30:03 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:53:24 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was
arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
Post by Rich80105
The post is from 8 May 2020
You posted a link from May 2020,
Address what I wrote. Why do you not believe I should post something about this
government when you defend your privilege of posting whatever you want?
I have not objected to your posting; I merely pointed out that you had
posted an article from well over a year ago. The article you posted
included a reference to:
https://thebfd.co.nz/2020/05/12/be-afraid-your-government-is-giving-itself-alarming-police-state-powers/#disqus_thread
That predicted the government giving itself unbridled power.

The relevance of the date was that it is now possible, with hindsight,
to assess how true those predictions were - and as we have seen the
accusations of unbridled power have not been proved to be true.

So no problem with your posting, just with your flawed understanding
that over a year later the predictions in the article that we would
have a scary draconian and authoritarian government, are now capable
of measured consideration, and they can be seen to be false.

You effectively claimed that there was some truth in the url that
article you posted - but instead of defending that opinion, you have
somehow seen that request for reflection as to the credibility of the
article as being a request for you not to post older articles. I made
no such request; but I do believe that you have shot yourself in the
foot by the claims made by Cam Slater being now able to be seen as
demonstrably false - no real surprise there . . .
Post by Tony
Using carefully chosen little words. Read carefully now Rich.
You often post old links, and invariably as a criticism of National, some many
years old. Therefore you do so for poliitical purposes.
I only post if the articles have relevance, Tony - you posted an
article which with the benefit of the time since publication can be
seen to have been scare-mongering and untrue in the reality of what
has actually happened. Just the facts, Tony.
Post by Tony
Why is it that you can do that but you are hysterical about me posting a link
only from last year?
No hysteria - it is up to you to demonstrate the relevance of the
material you provide links to - you have clearly not done that.
Post by Tony
All your other nonsense in this thread is a deliberate attempt at diversion.
Answer my question or go back to your reform school.
Which question is that, Tony?

You made some statements, such as "Open and honest government stopped
the day this government was arbitrarily handed power by a deluded
majority and you know who you are." There is no question in that
statement, and you are of course not obliged to provide any - or even
a single example of the lack of open and honest government - but I
felt such stupidity did not need to be rebutted. I am not your keeper
Tony, but I see nothing wrong with drawing your attention to the
reality of predictions made long ago that have not eventuated.
Tony
2021-09-11 22:50:17 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 11 Sep 2021 16:28:04 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 21:30:03 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:53:24 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was
arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want
1984
to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at
least
to
start with, by charismatic people.
Post by Rich80105
The post is from 8 May 2020
You posted a link from May 2020,
Address what I wrote. Why do you not believe I should post something about this
government when you defend your privilege of posting whatever you want?
I have not objected to your posting; I merely pointed out that you had
posted an article from well over a year ago. The article you posted
You have objected and you have just admitted that.

Lies removed
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Using carefully chosen little words. Read carefully now Rich.
You often post old links, and invariably as a criticism of National, some many
years old. Therefore you do so for poliitical purposes.
I only post if the articles have relevance, Tony
Laughable lie.
Post by Rich80105
. - you posted an
article which with the benefit of the time since publication can be
seen to have been scare-mongering and untrue in the reality of what
has actually happened. Just the facts, Tony.
Nonsense the article was valid then and is worth repeating now - it is
relevant. I am entitled to post it - period.
No you are still objecting to my posting something a year or more old. You
cannot deny it without your nose growing even more.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Why is it that you can do that but you are hysterical about me posting a link
only from last year?
No hysteria - it is up to you to demonstrate the relevance of the
material you provide links to - you have clearly not done that.
No It ios not. It is up to you to agree that I may post here or else you are
trying (you will fail however) to impose your will on others.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
All your other nonsense in this thread is a deliberate attempt at diversion.
Answer my question or go back to your reform school.
Which question is that, Tony?
Why is it that you can do that but you are hysterical about me posting a link
only from last year? Again. Simple question to a simple person now answer it or
go away.
Lie removed
Gordon
2021-09-11 05:06:52 UTC
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Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:53:24 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Of what?
That you and Rich are being defensive about this? Yes you are.
That Rich in particular, but also you to a lesser extent often raise issues
from the past. Most often concerning a National government's alleged failures
or sins. But now you are both suggesting I should not do exactly the same thing
about the failures of this government.
What failure have you raised, Tony?
The existing Government; it being unable to just about do anything but hold
the 1pm sessions.
James Christophers
2021-09-11 05:23:28 UTC
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:53:24 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
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Of what?
That you and Rich are being defensive about this? Yes you are.
That Rich in particular, but also you to a lesser extent often raise issues
from the past. Most often concerning a National government's alleged failures
or sins. But now you are both suggesting I should not do exactly the same thing
about the failures of this government.
What failure have you raised, Tony?
The existing Government; it being unable to just about do anything but hold
the 1pm sessions.
This has been raised more times in more forums of every kind and function than anyone can truthfully say. But the economy grows still stronger, our credit is still good, the unemployment numbers are manageable and every latest daily-reported Covid-19 case numbers keep reminding every New Zealander where today's critical successes presently lie. The government may appear to do little but its civil service functionaries and its crucial public service proxies continue unhindered within the currently imposed restrictions. Which is way more than the majority of our peer nations can boast.

So be thankful for small mercies, say I.
Rich80105
2021-09-11 05:33:46 UTC
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:53:24 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Of what?
That you and Rich are being defensive about this? Yes you are.
That Rich in particular, but also you to a lesser extent often raise issues
from the past. Most often concerning a National government's alleged failures
or sins. But now you are both suggesting I should not do exactly the same thing
about the failures of this government.
What failure have you raised, Tony?
The existing Government; it being unable to just about do anything but hold
the 1pm sessions.
Which is blatantly untrue, buit I will wait for Tony's response - he
is making a claim that he has been unable to justify.
John Bowes
2021-09-11 07:58:18 UTC
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 20:53:24 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Of what?
That you and Rich are being defensive about this? Yes you are.
That Rich in particular, but also you to a lesser extent often raise issues
from the past. Most often concerning a National government's alleged failures
or sins. But now you are both suggesting I should not do exactly the same thing
about the failures of this government.
What failure have you raised, Tony?
The existing Government; it being unable to just about do anything but hold
the 1pm sessions.
Which is blatantly untrue, buit I will wait for Tony's response - he
is making a claim that he has been unable to justify.
No Rich! YOU are pushing the lies as usual!
Gordon
2021-09-11 05:02:39 UTC
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That you and Rich are being defensive about this? Yes you are.
That Rich in particular, but also you to a lesser extent often raise issues
from the past. Most often concerning a National government's alleged failures
or sins.
This is a human trait. Some can not let go of the past, as in it has
happened. It has happened, it is history. For some reason they want to
rewrite history.

We can learn from history, but not go back and correct it. It holds humanity
back from moving forward.

Sorry Tony that is verging off topic.
John Bowes
2021-09-10 06:43:33 UTC
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 23:04:17 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 22:25:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
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https://www.facebook.com/brad.barton.988/posts/847168525761640
Unprecedented, undemocratic and unjustified.
Several here have prophesied something like this.
Open and honest government stopped the day this government was arbitrarily
handed power by a deluded majority and you know who you are.
Call your MP if you actually care about this country and do not want 1984 to
become our reality.
Look at history; virtually all authoritarian governments are led, at least to
start with, by charismatic people.
The post is from 8 May 2020
Look at
https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/history-of-the-covid-19-alert-system/#timeline-of-key-events
Irrelevant.
Post by Rich80105
It is clear that we have moved up and down only as necessary, but
gradually scientists and hence our population have learned more about
Covid - indeed it does appear we may continue to go up and down levels
for some time, But the silly assertions of alarming police powers have
not been evident.
They are still possbile with this government.
They have not appeared in 16 months - you are clutching at a very
decayed straw . . .
Clutching at straws are what you do so bloody well Rich :)
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Why did you go so far back to find this, Tony?
To remind you and others like you what this government is capable of.
Any government is capable of doing things anyone may not like - but on
this one you have not been able to show even one step towards the
speculative scenario you found on Facebook.
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Don't worry Rich. Your childhood dream could still come true.
I am sure the government will send someone to fit you out in your lovely black
uniform and jackboots.
Sorry I do not share your authoritarian fantasies.
BULLSHIT! You show typical authoritarian tendencies on a regular basis you liar!
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