Discussion:
Lies, Damned Lies, and Media Lies
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Willy Nilly
2021-09-03 05:51:16 UTC
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TVNZ1 on today's Sydney COVID figures:
"160 in ICU of which 127 are unvaccinated".

So 79% of the ICU patients are unvaccinated, and 21% vaccinated.
Sounds bad for the unvaccinated, eh? Until you analyse it correctly:

Firstly, what is "unvaccinated"? The term is defined as "less than 2
weeks since the 2nd jab", i.e., those not "fully vaccinated" which is
2 weeks since the 2nd jab. So some of these "unvaccinated" are in
fact doubly-jabbed. Let's crunch some numbers:

Australia's NSW COVID roll-out guide of 2nd-September shows:
population: 10.3 millions
double-jabbed: 2.781 million.
2nd-jabs per day: ~70,000

Note that the "double-jabbed" are *not* the same as "fully vaccinated"
which requires that 2 weeks have elapsed since the 2nd jab. So how
many "fully vaccinated" are there? -- the same as the number of
"double-jabbed" 2 weeks ago. So let's get that:

2.781 million minus (14 times 70,000) = 1.78 million.

So out of a population of 10.3 million, 1.78 are fully vaccinated =
17.28% fully vaccinated. So 82.72% are "unvaccinated" in the sense of
not being fully vaccinated -- which is how the media use it.

Compare that to the ICU figures at top -- 21% of ICU patients are
fully vaccinated, out of a population pool of 17.28% !!! About the
same ratio, and the unvaccinated are actually a little better off!

Media lies! And this is what it takes to find the truth concealed in
the official statistics and the media (mis)presentation. How is the
public supposed to keep up with such a fog?
Rich80105
2021-09-03 10:34:06 UTC
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Post by Willy Nilly
"160 in ICU of which 127 are unvaccinated".
So 79% of the ICU patients are unvaccinated, and 21% vaccinated.
Firstly, what is "unvaccinated"? The term is defined as "less than 2
weeks since the 2nd jab", i.e., those not "fully vaccinated" which is
2 weeks since the 2nd jab. So some of these "unvaccinated" are in
population: 10.3 millions
double-jabbed: 2.781 million.
2nd-jabs per day: ~70,000
Note that the "double-jabbed" are *not* the same as "fully vaccinated"
which requires that 2 weeks have elapsed since the 2nd jab. So how
many "fully vaccinated" are there? -- the same as the number of
2.781 million minus (14 times 70,000) = 1.78 million.
So out of a population of 10.3 million, 1.78 are fully vaccinated =
17.28% fully vaccinated. So 82.72% are "unvaccinated" in the sense of
not being fully vaccinated -- which is how the media use it.
Compare that to the ICU figures at top -- 21% of ICU patients are
fully vaccinated, out of a population pool of 17.28% !!! About the
same ratio, and the unvaccinated are actually a little better off!
Media lies! And this is what it takes to find the truth concealed in
the official statistics and the media (mis)presentation. How is the
public supposed to keep up with such a fog?
So Australia uses different definitions than New Zealand. Should we
care?
Gordon
2021-09-04 04:23:38 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by Willy Nilly
"160 in ICU of which 127 are unvaccinated".
So 79% of the ICU patients are unvaccinated, and 21% vaccinated.
Firstly, what is "unvaccinated"? The term is defined as "less than 2
weeks since the 2nd jab", i.e., those not "fully vaccinated" which is
2 weeks since the 2nd jab. So some of these "unvaccinated" are in
population: 10.3 millions
double-jabbed: 2.781 million.
2nd-jabs per day: ~70,000
Note that the "double-jabbed" are *not* the same as "fully vaccinated"
which requires that 2 weeks have elapsed since the 2nd jab. So how
many "fully vaccinated" are there? -- the same as the number of
2.781 million minus (14 times 70,000) = 1.78 million.
So out of a population of 10.3 million, 1.78 are fully vaccinated =
17.28% fully vaccinated. So 82.72% are "unvaccinated" in the sense of
not being fully vaccinated -- which is how the media use it.
Compare that to the ICU figures at top -- 21% of ICU patients are
fully vaccinated, out of a population pool of 17.28% !!! About the
same ratio, and the unvaccinated are actually a little better off!
Media lies! And this is what it takes to find the truth concealed in
the official statistics and the media (mis)presentation. How is the
public supposed to keep up with such a fog?
So Australia uses different definitions than New Zealand. Should we
care?
So what are A/NZ definitions? With the spin hat on it is x million have had
a jab.

I wonder what the WHO definition is? All a bit confusion when some vaccines
are a two shot and others one. Then it seems that booster shots are needed.

Yep, keep the salt handy.

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