Discussion:
The hypocrisy of the left - Part XXIV
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EMB
2014-06-15 19:45:53 UTC
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Labour should probably have kept their mouths firmly shut about Bill Liu
- all they have managed to do on this one is shoot themselves in the
foot /again/.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11274606
Patrick FitzGerald
2014-06-15 20:09:29 UTC
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On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 07:45:53 +1200, EMB <***@gmail.com> wrote:



Should that have not been Part -XXIV?


Patrick
misanthropic_curmudgeon
2014-06-15 21:48:45 UTC
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Post by EMB
Labour should probably have kept their mouths firmly shut about Bill Liu
- all they have managed to do on this one is shoot
themselves in the foot /again/.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11274606
Does this latest revelation of Labour hypocrisy and ineptitude surprise anybody?

That Rick Barker is involved - when there is a stench of corruption Rick Barker is never far away - comes as no surprise either. Recall that:
- Rick Barker was the driver behind Bill Liu buying
his citizenship off Labour, afterBill Liu donated
thousands to Barkers campaign
- Rick Barker ran publicly-funded political polling
from his Parliamentary office, using fake names,
and then lied about it
- Rick Barker authorised the patently false and
misleading 'tax-swicth' pamphlet numbers Labour
used in their l;ast failed campaign which had
Labour not returning to surplus until 2019 and
borrowing squillions, despite saying they would
not. This brochure asked for people to vote
Labour, and therefore breached the rukes around
parliamentary expenses and electioneering: Labour
using the public purse for their own ends. Again.
- who sat right at the top of MP expenses
- etc ...
JohnO
2014-06-15 21:53:38 UTC
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On Monday, 16 June 2014 09:48:45 UTC+12, misanthropic_curmudgeon wrote:
<snip>
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by EMB
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11274606
Does this latest revelation of Labour hypocrisy and ineptitude surprise anybody?
<snip>

No. Labour have been the Kings of Hypocrisy for a long time so this is no surprise whatsoever.

What would be a pleasant surprise would be the MSM giving as much air to this as they did to Collins' glass of milk.
Rich80105
2014-06-15 23:56:58 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:48:45 -0700 (PDT), misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by EMB
Labour should probably have kept their mouths firmly shut about Bill Liu
- all they have managed to do on this one is shoot
themselves in the foot /again/.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11274606
Does this latest revelation of Labour hypocrisy and ineptitude surprise anybody?
- Rick Barker was the driver behind Bill Liu buying
his citizenship off Labour, afterBill Liu donated
thousands to Barkers campaign
Didn't you read the article? Liu was not given citizenship until 2010
- by a National Minister.
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
- Rick Barker ran publicly-funded political polling
from his Parliamentary office, using fake names,
and then lied about it
If true, what relevance does this have to concerns over Liu being
granted citizenship?
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
- Rick Barker authorised the patently false and
misleading 'tax-swicth' pamphlet numbers Labour
used in their l;ast failed campaign which had
Labour not returning to surplus until 2019 and
borrowing squillions, despite saying they would
not. This brochure asked for people to vote
Labour, and therefore breached the rukes around
parliamentary expenses and electioneering: Labour
using the public purse for their own ends. Again.
- who sat right at the top of MP expenses
- etc ...
Again even if true this does not excuse National for their actions.
Liberty
2014-06-16 04:23:41 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:48:45 -0700 (PDT), misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by EMB
Labour should probably have kept their mouths firmly shut about Bill Liu
- all they have managed to do on this one is shoot
themselves in the foot /again/.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11274606
Does this latest revelation of Labour hypocrisy and ineptitude surprise anybody?
- Rick Barker was the driver behind Bill Liu buying
his citizenship off Labour, afterBill Liu donated
thousands to Barkers campaign
Didn't you read the article? Liu was not given citizenship until 2010
- by a National Minister.
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
- Rick Barker ran publicly-funded political polling
from his Parliamentary office, using fake names,
and then lied about it
If true, what relevance does this have to concerns over Liu being
granted citizenship?
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
- Rick Barker authorised the patently false and
misleading 'tax-swicth' pamphlet numbers Labour
used in their l;ast failed campaign which had
Labour not returning to surplus until 2019 and
borrowing squillions, despite saying they would
not. This brochure asked for people to vote
Labour, and therefore breached the rukes around
parliamentary expenses and electioneering: Labour
using the public purse for their own ends. Again.
- who sat right at the top of MP expenses
- etc ...
Again even if true this does not excuse National for their actions.
The point is Rich. Labour have been playing the puritan card.
Over a glass of milk.
While Labours Ministers trip to china sounds a little dubious.

Read on


Oh dear me, after all the sanctimony over so-called “cash for access” what do we find out this
morning from Jared Savage…that Donghua Liu gave money to the Labour party as well.

Plus added into that kicker is the fact that he hosted a government minister at the time, Rick
Barker, to a lavish dinner plus a visit to his company.

This is starting to make Labour’s beat up over Judith Collins glass of milk and a 20 minute dinner
in Beijing look like a Big Mac, chips and coke in comparison to Labour.

And this donation wasn’t declared either…perhaps there will be a Police investigation into this
activity. It was illegal even back then to not disclose donations.


A wealthy Auckland businessman, whose links to the National Party led to a minister’s resignation,
also made a secret $15,000 donation to the Labour Party – and hosted a Cabinet minister at a lavish
dinner in China.

The Labour Party has previously accused the Government of “cash for access” deals with Donghua Liu,
who received citizenship after lobbying from National minister Maurice Williamson and whose hotel
was later opened by Prime Minister John Key.

But the Herald can reveal Liu, 53, also paid $15,000 at a Labour Party auction in 2007 for a book
signed by Helen Clark, the Prime Minister at the time, according to a party source.

The source said Liu also hosted Rick Barker, the then Internal Affairs Minister, at a dinner in his
hometown of Chongqing.

Mr Barker, who is now a regional councillor in Hawkes Bay, confirmed he was a guest at the dinner
and also visited Liu’s cement company while on holiday in China.


The Labour party passed the Electoral Finance Act in 2007 which forbade donations from overseas
residents…while they were taking donations from Dong Hua Liu.

The revelation that he later made a $15,000 donation to Labour comes after MPs attacked National for
“cash for access” deals with donors.

Labour leader David Cunliffe said he was unaware that Liu was a donor to his party, but that would
not change the criticism levelled at the National Government, “which was that a minister of the
Crown involved himself in a police operational matter and it’s also the case that both the Prime
Minister and Minister of Immigration have been considering policy changes at the request of Mr Liu”.

Mr Cunliffe doubted there was any connection between Liu’s residency bid and his donation two years
later.

Which isn’t what he said about a donation to the National party two years after Dong Hua Liu gained
citizenship.

Labour are in trouble here, they will be thinking they can weather the storm, but if I know Jared
Savage he is sitting on more revelations. Watching them dance on the head of a pin will be fun to
watch.

As it stands here we have an undeclared donation of $15,000 an undeclared pecuniary interest in the
favour of Rick Barker from his time as a minister.

Keeping Stock notes:

Trevor Mallard got ejected from Parliament on 8th May for suggesting that Immigration Minister
Michael Woodhouse was offered cash by Liu at a meeting on immigration policy. Labour’s deputy leader
Grant Robertson has accused the Government of cronyism over Donghua Liu. And David Cunliffe himself
has accused the Government of a conflict of interest over Liu.

Was Trevor Mallard asking that question because of his knowledge of how Donghua Liu handles cash
donations? Were all of their attacks on the government based on their own knowledge of how Donghua
Liu does things?

Labour will be hoping there isn’t more to come on this….because their sanctimony and statements
previously on Dong Hua Liu will be force fed back to them.

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/06/labours-credibility-liu/#more-140566
Rich80105
2014-06-16 07:53:04 UTC
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Post by Liberty
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:48:45 -0700 (PDT), misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by EMB
Labour should probably have kept their mouths firmly shut about Bill Liu
- all they have managed to do on this one is shoot
themselves in the foot /again/.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11274606
Does this latest revelation of Labour hypocrisy and ineptitude surprise anybody?
- Rick Barker was the driver behind Bill Liu buying
his citizenship off Labour, afterBill Liu donated
thousands to Barkers campaign
Didn't you read the article? Liu was not given citizenship until 2010
- by a National Minister.
NO answer to that I see . . .
Post by Liberty
Post by Rich80105
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
- Rick Barker ran publicly-funded political polling
from his Parliamentary office, using fake names,
and then lied about it
If true, what relevance does this have to concerns over Liu being
granted citizenship?
Clearly nothing . . .
Post by Liberty
Post by Rich80105
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
- Rick Barker authorised the patently false and
misleading 'tax-swicth' pamphlet numbers Labour
used in their l;ast failed campaign which had
Labour not returning to surplus until 2019 and
borrowing squillions, despite saying they would
not. This brochure asked for people to vote
Labour, and therefore breached the rukes around
parliamentary expenses and electioneering: Labour
using the public purse for their own ends. Again.
- who sat right at the top of MP expenses
- etc ...
Again even if true this does not excuse National for their actions.
But the Nat-bots will try anyway . . .
Post by Liberty
The point is Rich. Labour have been playing the puritan card.
Over a glass of milk.
While Labours Ministers trip to china sounds a little dubious.
Read on
Oh dear me, after all the sanctimony over so-called “cash for access” what do we find out this
morning from Jared Savage…that Donghua Liu gave money to the Labour party as well.
Not proven - doubtless if there is nothing more we will not hear
another word . . .
Post by Liberty
Plus added into that kicker is the fact that he hosted a government minister at the time, Rick
Barker, to a lavish dinner plus a visit to his company.
Apparently Barker was on a private trip - John Key entertains and is
entertained when he goes to Hawaii - are you saying that is wrong?
Post by Liberty
This is starting to make Labour’s beat up over Judith Collins glass of milk and a 20 minute dinner
in Beijing look like a Big Mac, chips and coke in comparison to Labour.
20 minute? Cite?
Post by Liberty
And this donation wasn’t declared either…perhaps there will be a Police investigation into this
activity. It was illegal even back then to not disclose donations.
Lets wait an see about that then . . .
Post by Liberty
A wealthy Auckland businessman, whose links to the National Party led to a minister’s resignation,
also made a secret $15,000 donation to the Labour Party – and hosted a Cabinet minister at a lavish
dinner in China.
The Labour Party has previously accused the Government of “cash for access” deals with Donghua Liu,
who received citizenship after lobbying from National minister Maurice Williamson and whose hotel
was later opened by Prime Minister John Key.
But the Herald can reveal Liu, 53, also paid $15,000 at a Labour Party auction in 2007 for a book
signed by Helen Clark, the Prime Minister at the time, according to a party source.
Note they carefully do not name the "party" - was it the "National"
party? Or from one of the Nat-bot sewers?
Post by Liberty
The source said Liu also hosted Rick Barker, the then Internal Affairs Minister, at a dinner in his
hometown of Chongqing.
Mr Barker, who is now a regional councillor in Hawkes Bay, confirmed he was a guest at the dinner
and also visited Liu’s cement company while on holiday in China.
The Labour party passed the Electoral Finance Act in 2007 which forbade donations from overseas
residents…while they were taking donations from Dong Hua Liu.
The revelation that he later made a $15,000 donation to Labour comes after MPs attacked National for
“cash for access” deals with donors.
Labour leader David Cunliffe said he was unaware that Liu was a donor to his party, but that would
not change the criticism levelled at the National Government, “which was that a minister of the
Crown involved himself in a police operational matter and it’s also the case that both the Prime
Minister and Minister of Immigration have been considering policy changes at the request of Mr Liu”.
Mr Cunliffe doubted there was any connection between Liu’s residency bid and his donation two years
later.
Which isn’t what he said about a donation to the National party two years after Dong Hua Liu gained
citizenship.
Labour are in trouble here, they will be thinking they can weather the storm, but if I know Jared
Savage he is sitting on more revelations. Watching them dance on the head of a pin will be fun to
watch.
As it stands here we have an undeclared donation of $15,000 an undeclared pecuniary interest in the
favour of Rick Barker from his time as a minister.
Trevor Mallard got ejected from Parliament on 8th May for suggesting that Immigration Minister
Michael Woodhouse was offered cash by Liu at a meeting on immigration policy. Labour’s deputy leader
Grant Robertson has accused the Government of cronyism over Donghua Liu. And David Cunliffe himself
has accused the Government of a conflict of interest over Liu.
Was Trevor Mallard asking that question because of his knowledge of how Donghua Liu handles cash
donations? Were all of their attacks on the government based on their own knowledge of how Donghua
Liu does things?
Labour will be hoping there isn’t more to come on this….because their sanctimony and statements
previously on Dong Hua Liu will be force fed back to them.
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/06/labours-credibility-liu/#more-140566
Ahhh - now we see wheret he slurs and innuendo are coming from - you
don;t really believe any of it, do you "Liberty".
Liberty
2014-06-16 09:05:00 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by Liberty
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/06/labours-credibility-liu/#more-140566
Ahhh - now we see wheret he slurs and innuendo are coming from - you
don;t really believe any of it, do you "Liberty".
“slurs and innuendo “
What the hell do you call labours ranting over a glass of milk.
george152
2014-06-16 20:01:58 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by Liberty
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/06/labours-credibility-liu/#more-140566
Ahhh - now we see wheret he slurs and innuendo are coming from - you
don;t really believe any of it, do you "Liberty".
“slurs and innuendo “
What the hell do you call labours ranting over a glass of milk.
What about the money Liebor got from a certain Chinese resident that
hasn't been declared
Pooh
2014-06-16 10:07:55 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by Liberty
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:48:45 -0700 (PDT), misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by EMB
Labour should probably have kept their mouths firmly shut about Bill Liu
- all they have managed to do on this one is shoot
themselves in the foot /again/.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11274606
Does this latest revelation of Labour hypocrisy and ineptitude surprise anybody?
- Rick Barker was the driver behind Bill Liu buying
his citizenship off Labour, afterBill Liu donated
thousands to Barkers campaign
Didn't you read the article? Liu was not given citizenship until 2010
- by a National Minister.
NO answer to that I see . . .
A Labour minister granted him residency which is a prerequisite for
citizenship Dickie. So Labour has to take a BIG share of the responsibility.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Liberty
Post by Rich80105
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
- Rick Barker ran publicly-funded political polling
from his Parliamentary office, using fake names,
and then lied about it
If true, what relevance does this have to concerns over Liu being
granted citizenship?
Clearly nothing . . .
Just shows he's a typical marxist muppet who thinks (like you) that
Liebor is above the law as evidenced by Labour backdating a law change
to cover Clark's misappropriation of PM funds during her tenure.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Liberty
Post by Rich80105
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
- Rick Barker authorised the patently false and
misleading 'tax-swicth' pamphlet numbers Labour
used in their l;ast failed campaign which had
Labour not returning to surplus until 2019 and
borrowing squillions, despite saying they would
not. This brochure asked for people to vote
Labour, and therefore breached the rukes around
parliamentary expenses and electioneering: Labour
using the public purse for their own ends. Again.
- who sat right at the top of MP expenses
- etc ...
Again even if true this does not excuse National for their actions.
But the Nat-bots will try anyway . . .
Liar!
Post by Rich80105
Post by Liberty
The point is Rich. Labour have been playing the puritan card.
Over a glass of milk.
While Labours Ministers trip to china sounds a little dubious.
Read on
Oh dear me, after all the sanctimony over so-called “cash for access” what do we find out this
morning from Jared Savage…that Donghua Liu gave money to the Labour party as well.
Not proven - doubtless if there is nothing more we will not hear
another word . . .
Will that be from Cunilife or you?
Post by Rich80105
Post by Liberty
Plus added into that kicker is the fact that he hosted a government minister at the time, Rick
Barker, to a lavish dinner plus a visit to his company.
Apparently Barker was on a private trip - John Key entertains and is
entertained when he goes to Hawaii - are you saying that is wrong?
He was a government minister Dickie and after the 'private' dinner Liu
was granted residency by a Labour minister. As suspect as you make the
'glass of milk' Dickie.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Liberty
This is starting to make Labour’s beat up over Judith Collins glass of milk and a 20 minute dinner
in Beijing look like a Big Mac, chips and coke in comparison to Labour.
20 minute? Cite?
Post by Liberty
And this donation wasn’t declared either…perhaps there will be a Police investigation into this
activity. It was illegal even back then to not disclose donations.
Lets wait an see about that then . . .
You seem to be having a brain fade on the facts of this case Dickie. Why
are you trying to blindly protect Labours obvious hand in getting Liu
citizenship.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Liberty
A wealthy Auckland businessman, whose links to the National Party led to a minister’s resignation,
also made a secret $15,000 donation to the Labour Party – and hosted a Cabinet minister at a lavish
dinner in China.
The Labour Party has previously accused the Government of “cash for access” deals with Donghua Liu,
who received citizenship after lobbying from National minister Maurice Williamson and whose hotel
was later opened by Prime Minister John Key.
But the Herald can reveal Liu, 53, also paid $15,000 at a Labour Party auction in 2007 for a book
signed by Helen Clark, the Prime Minister at the time, according to a party source.
Note they carefully do not name the "party" - was it the "National"
party? Or from one of the Nat-bot sewers?
Another brain fade Dickie? It'd hardly be a National sour
Post by Rich80105
Post by Liberty
The source said Liu also hosted Rick Barker, the then Internal Affairs Minister, at a dinner in his
hometown of Chongqing.
Mr Barker, who is now a regional councillor in Hawkes Bay, confirmed he was a guest at the dinner
and also visited Liu’s cement company while on holiday in China.
The Labour party passed the Electoral Finance Act in 2007 which forbade donations from overseas
residents…while they were taking donations from Dong Hua Liu.
The revelation that he later made a $15,000 donation to Labour comes after MPs attacked National for
“cash for access” deals with donors.
Labour leader David Cunliffe said he was unaware that Liu was a donor to his party, but that would
not change the criticism levelled at the National Government, “which was that a minister of the
Crown involved himself in a police operational matter and it’s also the case that both the Prime
Minister and Minister of Immigration have been considering policy changes at the request of Mr Liu”.
Mr Cunliffe doubted there was any connection between Liu’s residency bid and his donation two years
later.
Which isn’t what he said about a donation to the National party two years after Dong Hua Liu gained
citizenship.
Labour are in trouble here, they will be thinking they can weather the storm, but if I know Jared
Savage he is sitting on more revelations. Watching them dance on the head of a pin will be fun to
watch.
As it stands here we have an undeclared donation of $15,000 an undeclared pecuniary interest in the
favour of Rick Barker from his time as a minister.
Trevor Mallard got ejected from Parliament on 8th May for suggesting that Immigration Minister
Michael Woodhouse was offered cash by Liu at a meeting on immigration policy. Labour’s deputy leader
Grant Robertson has accused the Government of cronyism over Donghua Liu. And David Cunliffe himself
has accused the Government of a conflict of interest over Liu.
Was Trevor Mallard asking that question because of his knowledge of how Donghua Liu handles cash
donations? Were all of their attacks on the government based on their own knowledge of how Donghua
Liu does things?
Labour will be hoping there isn’t more to come on this….because their sanctimony and statements
previously on Dong Hua Liu will be force fed back to them.
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/06/labours-credibility-liu/#more-140566
Ahhh - now we see wheret he slurs and innuendo are coming from - you
don;t really believe any of it, do you "Liberty".
"The Labour party passed the Electoral Finance Act in 2007 which forbade
donations from overseas residents…while they were taking donations from
Dong Hua Liu." Yup Dickie. It's exposed Labours hypocrisy for all to
see. Though you as usual are still failing monumentally in comprehension.

Guess your 'Labour good, National bad' programming is still in full force.

Pooh
-Newsman-
2014-06-15 23:03:52 UTC
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Post by EMB
Labour should probably have kept their mouths firmly shut about Bill Liu
- all they have managed to do on this one is shoot themselves in the
foot /again/.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11274606
You protest too much, methinks.

In the world's least (perceived) corrupt country, I have yet to
encounter that most elusive of all creatures: the born and bred New
Zealander burdened by an undue immunity to financial inducement.
Rich80105
2014-06-15 23:27:03 UTC
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Post by EMB
Labour should probably have kept their mouths firmly shut about Bill Liu
- all they have managed to do on this one is shoot themselves in the
foot /again/.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11274606
You obviously didn;t read the article, EMB - they make it clear there
are significant differences between what ahppened with Labour and what
National did.
EMB
2014-06-16 19:56:21 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by EMB
Labour should probably have kept their mouths firmly shut about Bill Liu
- all they have managed to do on this one is shoot themselves in the
foot /again/.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11274606
You obviously didn;t read the article, EMB - they make it clear there
are significant differences between what ahppened with Labour and what
National did.
No Rich, they make it clear that Labour have no idea what they promised
in return for the donation. And 24 hours on they still have no idea.
george152
2014-06-16 20:04:34 UTC
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Post by EMB
Post by Rich80105
Post by EMB
Labour should probably have kept their mouths firmly shut about Bill Liu
- all they have managed to do on this one is shoot themselves in the
foot /again/.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11274606
You obviously didn;t read the article, EMB - they make it clear there
are significant differences between what ahppened with Labour and what
National did.
No Rich, they make it clear that Labour have no idea what they promised
in return for the donation. And 24 hours on they still have no idea.
And why are Liebor running away from their 'mate'... and why haven't
they come clean about the whole sordid business
-Newsman-
2014-06-16 21:09:59 UTC
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Post by george152
Post by EMB
Post by Rich80105
Post by EMB
Labour should probably have kept their mouths firmly shut about Bill Liu
- all they have managed to do on this one is shoot themselves in the
foot /again/.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11274606
You obviously didn;t read the article, EMB - they make it clear there
are significant differences between what ahppened with Labour and what
National did.
No Rich, they make it clear that Labour have no idea what they promised
in return for the donation. And 24 hours on they still have no idea.
And why are Liebor running away from their 'mate'... and why haven't
they come clean about the whole sordid business
Where is the material proof that this 'sordid business' ever happened?
george152
2014-06-16 21:56:59 UTC
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Post by -Newsman-
Post by george152
Post by EMB
Post by Rich80105
Post by EMB
Labour should probably have kept their mouths firmly shut about Bill Liu
- all they have managed to do on this one is shoot themselves in the
foot /again/.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11274606
You obviously didn;t read the article, EMB - they make it clear there
are significant differences between what ahppened with Labour and what
National did.
No Rich, they make it clear that Labour have no idea what they promised
in return for the donation. And 24 hours on they still have no idea.
And why are Liebor running away from their 'mate'... and why haven't
they come clean about the whole sordid business
Where is the material proof that this 'sordid business' ever happened?
Take the fingers out of your ears, the blindfold off your eyes and join
us in 2014
-Newsman-
2014-06-16 22:19:47 UTC
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Post by george152
Post by -Newsman-
Post by george152
Post by EMB
Post by Rich80105
Post by EMB
Labour should probably have kept their mouths firmly shut about Bill Liu
- all they have managed to do on this one is shoot themselves in the
foot /again/.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11274606
You obviously didn;t read the article, EMB - they make it clear there
are significant differences between what ahppened with Labour and what
National did.
No Rich, they make it clear that Labour have no idea what they promised
in return for the donation. And 24 hours on they still have no idea.
And why are Liebor running away from their 'mate'... and why haven't
they come clean about the whole sordid business
Where is the material proof that this 'sordid business' ever happened?
Take the fingers out of your ears, the blindfold off your eyes and join
us in 2014
Reports are not proof.

Try again.
JohnO
2014-06-16 22:58:44 UTC
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On Tuesday, 17 June 2014 10:19:47 UTC+12, -Newsman- wrote:
<snip>
Post by -Newsman-
Reports are not proof.
I see. 99% of the whinging by lefties in this ng is based on various "reports". But all of a sudden some sort of proof is required? Strange double standards you have, Keith.
Post by -Newsman-
Try again.
Maybe if you promise to never comment again on anything that is other than proven.
Rich80105
2014-06-17 10:25:16 UTC
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Post by JohnO
<snip>
Post by -Newsman-
Reports are not proof.
I see. 99% of the whinging by lefties in this ng is based on various "reports". But all of a sudden some sort of proof is required? Strange double standards you have, Keith.
So to you a report from Whaleoil amounts to the equivalent of a
judgement in a court case, does it?

You must be kidding.
Post by JohnO
Post by -Newsman-
Try again.
Maybe if you promise to never comment again on anything that is other than proven.
JohnO
2014-06-17 11:02:43 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
I see. 99% of the whinging by lefties in this ng is based on various "reports". But all of a sudden some sort of proof is required? Strange double standards you have, Keith.
So to you a report from Whaleoil amounts to the equivalent of a
judgement in a court case, does it?
Whaleoil? As per usual, Dickbot just goes and makes something up.
Post by Rich80105
You must be kidding.
You must be lying. How to tell? You posted something.
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by -Newsman-
Try again.
Maybe if you promise to never comment again on anything that is other than proven.
Rich80105
2014-06-17 11:30:43 UTC
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Post by JohnO
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
I see. 99% of the whinging by lefties in this ng is based on various "reports". But all of a sudden some sort of proof is required? Strange double standards you have, Keith.
So to you a report from Whaleoil amounts to the equivalent of a
judgement in a court case, does it?
Whaleoil? As per usual, Dickbot just goes and makes something up.
Are you now claiming that the Herald made the claim up? It is
possible; certainly they gave no evidence - just like Whaloil when you
think about it . . . .
Post by JohnO
Post by Rich80105
You must be kidding.
You must be lying. How to tell? You posted something.
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by -Newsman-
Try again.
Maybe if you promise to never comment again on anything that is other than proven.
JohnO
2014-06-17 21:05:53 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
I see. 99% of the whinging by lefties in this ng is based on various "reports". But all of a sudden some sort of proof is required? Strange double standards you have, Keith.
So to you a report from Whaleoil amounts to the equivalent of a
judgement in a court case, does it?
Whaleoil? As per usual, Dickbot just goes and makes something up.
Are you now claiming that the Herald made the claim up? It is
The Herald doesn't mention Whaleoil, you lying little shit.
Post by Rich80105
possible; certainly they gave no evidence - just like Whaloil when you
think about it . . . .
Jared Savage, the journalist who wrote the story in the Herald, clearly states that the source is within the Labour Party.

I know you are very dimwitted, Dickbot, but can't you read?

Dickbot, a lying little shit, gets caught out again.
JohnO
2014-06-18 02:55:59 UTC
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<snip>
Post by JohnO
Jared Savage, the journalist who wrote the story in the Herald, clearly states that the source is within the Labour Party.
... which you can read as the ABC faction, Dickbot, just in case your two functioning brain cells haven't managed to connect and work this out.
misanthropic_curmudgeon
2014-06-18 03:10:55 UTC
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Post by JohnO
<snip>
Post by JohnO
Jared Savage, the journalist who wrote the story in
the Herald, clearly states that the source is within
the Labour Party.
... which you can read as the ABC faction, Dickbot,
just in case your two functioning brain cells haven't
managed to connect and work this out.
I suspect rich-bot is busy running the numbers, although I don't know who for.

No doubt when Conliffe gets rolled, rich-bot will be back fawning over his replacement as the next great hope to lead them to The Promised Land, just as rich-bot did with Goff, Shearer, and Conliffe.
george152
2014-06-18 03:45:44 UTC
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Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by JohnO
<snip>
Post by JohnO
Jared Savage, the journalist who wrote the story in
the Herald, clearly states that the source is within
the Labour Party.
... which you can read as the ABC faction, Dickbot,
just in case your two functioning brain cells haven't
managed to connect and work this out.
I suspect rich-bot is busy running the numbers, although I don't know who for.
No doubt when Conliffe gets rolled, rich-bot will be back fawning over his replacement as the next great hope to lead them to The Promised Land, just as rich-bot did with Goff, Shearer, and Conliffe.
Did some-one say Goneliffe ?
After all the shit throwing that Liebor have indulged in over the last
few months looks like Karma :)
EMB
2014-06-18 19:37:58 UTC
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Post by george152
After all the shit throwing that Liebor have indulged in over the last
few months looks like Karma :)
Running over their dogma.
george152
2014-06-18 20:31:48 UTC
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Post by EMB
Post by george152
After all the shit throwing that Liebor have indulged in over the last
few months looks like Karma :)
Running over their dogma.
I was thinking that :)

Maybe (though I doubt it) they might have learnt something from all this
Pooh
2014-06-18 10:33:35 UTC
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Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by JohnO
<snip>
Post by JohnO
Jared Savage, the journalist who wrote the story in
the Herald, clearly states that the source is within
the Labour Party.
... which you can read as the ABC faction, Dickbot,
just in case your two functioning brain cells haven't
managed to connect and work this out.
I suspect rich-bot is busy running the numbers, although I don't know who for.
No doubt when Conliffe gets rolled, rich-bot will be back fawning over his replacement as the next great hope to lead them to The Promised Land, just as rich-bot did with Goff, Shearer, and Conliffe.
Dickie running numbers? Isn't that the same sort of oxymoron as saying
Labour costed a policy?

Pooh
misanthropic_curmudgeon
2014-06-18 23:34:37 UTC
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[snip]
Post by Pooh
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
I suspect rich-bot is busy running the numbers,
although I don't know who for.
No doubt when Conliffe gets rolled, rich-bot will
be back fawning over his replacement as the next
great hope to lead them to The Promised Land,
just as rich-bot did with Goff, Shearer, and
Conliffe.
Dickie running numbers? Isn't that the same sort of
oxymoron
Good point: I had (perhaps mistakenly) given richbot credit enough to be able to count all his fingers and toes.
JohnO
2014-06-18 23:47:01 UTC
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Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
[snip]
Post by Pooh
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
I suspect rich-bot is busy running the numbers,
although I don't know who for.
No doubt when Conliffe gets rolled, rich-bot will
be back fawning over his replacement as the next
great hope to lead them to The Promised Land,
just as rich-bot did with Goff, Shearer, and
Conliffe.
Dickie running numbers? Isn't that the same sort of
oxymoron
Good point: I had (perhaps mistakenly) given richbot credit enough to be able to count all his fingers and toes.
That will be sufficient after the election - based on recent polling Labour could lose many of their list MPs. DPF's analysis shows my Little Pony only getting saved by a female quota rule. Imagine the "token" and "quota" jibes she'd have to endure each day in Parliament!
EMB
2014-06-19 09:48:48 UTC
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Post by JohnO
That will be sufficient after the election - based on recent polling Labour could lose many of their list MPs. DPF's analysis shows my Little Pony only getting saved by a female quota rule. Imagine the "token" and "quota" jibes she'd have to endure each day in Parliament!
I didn't know they had a token equine quota.
Rich80105
2014-06-18 04:03:54 UTC
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Post by JohnO
<snip>
Post by JohnO
Jared Savage, the journalist who wrote the story in the Herald, clearly states that the source is within the Labour Party.
... which you can read as the ABC faction, Dickbot, just in case your two functioning brain cells haven't managed to connect and work this out.
The "Anyone but Collins" faction will be fairly relaxed at present,
JohnO - Collins has killed off any chance of becoming Leader of the
Opposition later this year - she has only lasted as a Minister because
Key cannot afford to admit his invovlement with Oravida . . .
JohnO
2014-06-18 04:05:50 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
<snip>
Post by JohnO
Jared Savage, the journalist who wrote the story in the Herald, clearly states that the source is within the Labour Party.
... which you can read as the ABC faction, Dickbot, just in case your two functioning brain cells haven't managed to connect and work this out.
The "Anyone but Collins" faction will be fairly relaxed at present,
JohnO - Collins has killed off any chance of becoming Leader of the
Opposition later this year - she has only lasted as a Minister because
Key cannot afford to admit his invovlement with Oravida . . .
The chances of any National MP being leader of the opposition are looking low, Dickbot. Even lower after today's reveleations.

Are you still pushing your lie about Whaleoil being the source of the Cunliffe-Liu revelations?
EMB
2014-06-18 19:43:10 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
<snip>
Post by JohnO
Jared Savage, the journalist who wrote the story in the Herald, clearly states that the source is within the Labour Party.
... which you can read as the ABC faction, Dickbot, just in case your two functioning brain cells haven't managed to connect and work this out.
The "Anyone but Collins" faction will be fairly relaxed at present,
JohnO - Collins has killed off any chance of becoming Leader of the
Opposition later this year - she has only lasted as a Minister because
Key cannot afford to admit his invovlement with Oravida . . .
Nice to see you're still making shit up there Rich. How about you now
go and ask the Labour caucus which of them had a new fence built
recently. And when you identify the individual, ask them why it was
built by a company (who don't normally build fences) which is looking to
win more government work, and what the cost was.
JohnO
2014-06-18 21:06:55 UTC
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On Thursday, 19 June 2014 07:43:10 UTC+12, EMB wrote:
<snip>
Post by EMB
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by JohnO
Jared Savage, the journalist who wrote the story in the Herald, clearly states that the source is within the Labour Party.
... which you can read as the ABC faction, Dickbot, just in case your two functioning brain cells haven't managed to connect and work this out.
The "Anyone but Collins" faction will be fairly relaxed at present,
JohnO - Collins has killed off any chance of becoming Leader of the
Opposition later this year - she has only lasted as a Minister because
Key cannot afford to admit his invovlement with Oravida . . .
Nice to see you're still making shit up there Rich. How about you now
go and ask the Labour caucus which of them had a new fence built
recently. And when you identify the individual, ask them why it was
built by a company (who don't normally build fences) which is looking to
win more government work, and what the cost was.
Oooh! Like!
EMB
2014-06-19 10:04:02 UTC
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Post by JohnO
<snip>
Post by EMB
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by JohnO
Jared Savage, the journalist who wrote the story in the Herald, clearly states that the source is within the Labour Party.
... which you can read as the ABC faction, Dickbot, just in case your two functioning brain cells haven't managed to connect and work this out.
The "Anyone but Collins" faction will be fairly relaxed at present,
JohnO - Collins has killed off any chance of becoming Leader of the
Opposition later this year - she has only lasted as a Minister because
Key cannot afford to admit his invovlement with Oravida . . .
Nice to see you're still making shit up there Rich. How about you now
go and ask the Labour caucus which of them had a new fence built
recently. And when you identify the individual, ask them why it was
built by a company (who don't normally build fences) which is looking to
win more government work, and what the cost was.
Oooh! Like!
I'm surprised Rich didn't accuse me of "making shit up". But I expect
right now he's a bit gun shy about refuting claims like that outright
just in case things like Cunliffe's letter to Liu suddenly appear.
george152
2014-06-19 20:40:03 UTC
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Post by EMB
I'm surprised Rich didn't accuse me of "making shit up". But I expect
right now he's a bit gun shy about refuting claims like that outright
just in case things like Cunliffe's letter to Liu suddenly appear.
And theres more to come...
Goneliffe has pissed Key off
And Key has evidently got more to bring up.
Paybacks a bitch
JohnO
2014-06-19 21:03:11 UTC
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Post by george152
Post by EMB
I'm surprised Rich didn't accuse me of "making shit up". But I expect
right now he's a bit gun shy about refuting claims like that outright
just in case things like Cunliffe's letter to Liu suddenly appear.
And theres more to come...
Goneliffe has pissed Key off
And Key has evidently got more to bring up.
Paybacks a bitch
But listen to Cunliffe whining like a bitch that he's the target of a smear campaign.

WTF? Labour have been doing this since 2007 when Mike Williams flew to Australia in a failed attempt to dig "H fee" dirt on Key. They never stop and have done the same with a campaign against Collins over a glass of milk. Right down to calculating GPS distances from the airport to Oravida.

But now Cunliffe drops himself in it, and he blames the Nats?

Labour - only to happy to dish it out but they can't take it. The party and its leader are not fit for government.
Rich80105
2014-06-19 21:23:34 UTC
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Post by EMB
Post by JohnO
<snip>
Post by EMB
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by JohnO
Jared Savage, the journalist who wrote the story in the Herald, clearly states that the source is within the Labour Party.
... which you can read as the ABC faction, Dickbot, just in case your two functioning brain cells haven't managed to connect and work this out.
The "Anyone but Collins" faction will be fairly relaxed at present,
JohnO - Collins has killed off any chance of becoming Leader of the
Opposition later this year - she has only lasted as a Minister because
Key cannot afford to admit his invovlement with Oravida . . .
Nice to see you're still making shit up there Rich. How about you now
go and ask the Labour caucus which of them had a new fence built
recently. And when you identify the individual, ask them why it was
built by a company (who don't normally build fences) which is looking to
win more government work, and what the cost was.
Oooh! Like!
I'm surprised Rich didn't accuse me of "making shit up". But I expect
right now he's a bit gun shy about refuting claims like that outright
just in case things like Cunliffe's letter to Liu suddenly appear.
Were you concerned I'd talk about the National Minister charging a
hefty donation for being available for a chat - no need; that's called
"Cabinet Club", isn't it. . .
george152
2014-06-19 22:06:11 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by EMB
Post by JohnO
<snip>
Post by EMB
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by JohnO
Jared Savage, the journalist who wrote the story in the Herald, clearly states that the source is within the Labour Party.
... which you can read as the ABC faction, Dickbot, just in case your two functioning brain cells haven't managed to connect and work this out.
The "Anyone but Collins" faction will be fairly relaxed at present,
JohnO - Collins has killed off any chance of becoming Leader of the
Opposition later this year - she has only lasted as a Minister because
Key cannot afford to admit his invovlement with Oravida . . .
Nice to see you're still making shit up there Rich. How about you now
go and ask the Labour caucus which of them had a new fence built
recently. And when you identify the individual, ask them why it was
built by a company (who don't normally build fences) which is looking to
win more government work, and what the cost was.
Oooh! Like!
I'm surprised Rich didn't accuse me of "making shit up". But I expect
right now he's a bit gun shy about refuting claims like that outright
just in case things like Cunliffe's letter to Liu suddenly appear.
Were you concerned I'd talk about the National Minister charging a
hefty donation for being available for a chat - no need; that's called
"Cabinet Club", isn't it. . .
So you cant find an excuse for Goneliffes behaviour
Rich80105
2014-06-19 22:30:35 UTC
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Post by george152
Post by Rich80105
Post by EMB
Post by JohnO
<snip>
Post by EMB
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by JohnO
Jared Savage, the journalist who wrote the story in the Herald, clearly states that the source is within the Labour Party.
... which you can read as the ABC faction, Dickbot, just in case your two functioning brain cells haven't managed to connect and work this out.
The "Anyone but Collins" faction will be fairly relaxed at present,
JohnO - Collins has killed off any chance of becoming Leader of the
Opposition later this year - she has only lasted as a Minister because
Key cannot afford to admit his invovlement with Oravida . . .
Nice to see you're still making shit up there Rich. How about you now
go and ask the Labour caucus which of them had a new fence built
recently. And when you identify the individual, ask them why it was
built by a company (who don't normally build fences) which is looking to
win more government work, and what the cost was.
Oooh! Like!
I'm surprised Rich didn't accuse me of "making shit up". But I expect
right now he's a bit gun shy about refuting claims like that outright
just in case things like Cunliffe's letter to Liu suddenly appear.
Were you concerned I'd talk about the National Minister charging a
hefty donation for being available for a chat - no need; that's called
"Cabinet Club", isn't it. . .
So you cant find an excuse for Goneliffes behaviour
You hadn't mentioned Woodhouse or Key, and anyway they are National
george152
2014-06-20 00:01:30 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by george152
Post by Rich80105
Post by EMB
Post by JohnO
<snip>
Post by EMB
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by JohnO
Jared Savage, the journalist who wrote the story in the Herald, clearly states that the source is within the Labour Party.
... which you can read as the ABC faction, Dickbot, just in case your two functioning brain cells haven't managed to connect and work this out.
The "Anyone but Collins" faction will be fairly relaxed at present,
JohnO - Collins has killed off any chance of becoming Leader of the
Opposition later this year - she has only lasted as a Minister because
Key cannot afford to admit his invovlement with Oravida . . .
Nice to see you're still making shit up there Rich. How about you now
go and ask the Labour caucus which of them had a new fence built
recently. And when you identify the individual, ask them why it was
built by a company (who don't normally build fences) which is looking to
win more government work, and what the cost was.
Oooh! Like!
I'm surprised Rich didn't accuse me of "making shit up". But I expect
right now he's a bit gun shy about refuting claims like that outright
just in case things like Cunliffe's letter to Liu suddenly appear.
Were you concerned I'd talk about the National Minister charging a
hefty donation for being available for a chat - no need; that's called
"Cabinet Club", isn't it. . .
So you cant find an excuse for Goneliffes behaviour
You hadn't mentioned Woodhouse or Key, and anyway they are National
Goneliffe made the stuffup.
Karmas a bitch
Rich80105
2014-06-20 02:26:16 UTC
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Post by george152
Post by Rich80105
Post by george152
Post by Rich80105
Post by EMB
Post by JohnO
<snip>
Post by EMB
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by JohnO
Jared Savage, the journalist who wrote the story in the Herald, clearly states that the source is within the Labour Party.
... which you can read as the ABC faction, Dickbot, just in case your two functioning brain cells haven't managed to connect and work this out.
The "Anyone but Collins" faction will be fairly relaxed at present,
JohnO - Collins has killed off any chance of becoming Leader of the
Opposition later this year - she has only lasted as a Minister because
Key cannot afford to admit his invovlement with Oravida . . .
Nice to see you're still making shit up there Rich. How about you now
go and ask the Labour caucus which of them had a new fence built
recently. And when you identify the individual, ask them why it was
built by a company (who don't normally build fences) which is looking to
win more government work, and what the cost was.
Oooh! Like!
I'm surprised Rich didn't accuse me of "making shit up". But I expect
right now he's a bit gun shy about refuting claims like that outright
just in case things like Cunliffe's letter to Liu suddenly appear.
Were you concerned I'd talk about the National Minister charging a
hefty donation for being available for a chat - no need; that's called
"Cabinet Club", isn't it. . .
So you cant find an excuse for Goneliffes behaviour
You hadn't mentioned Woodhouse or Key, and anyway they are National
Goneliffe made the stuffup.
Karmas a bitch
So now you are attacking Collins as well as Woodhouse!
george152
2014-06-20 03:28:24 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
So now you are attacking Collins as well as Woodhouse!
Riiight.
I'm laughing at Goneliffe and Robertson.
All the dirt thrown at Banks, Collins et al has come back to haunt Liebor.
Not long to the elections and theres more dirt going to be unearthed
giving Liebor days of attempting to 'explain' just how donations were
not recorded.....
As I wrote
Karmas a bitch
JohnO
2014-06-20 04:00:31 UTC
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Post by george152
Post by Rich80105
So now you are attacking Collins as well as Woodhouse!
Riiight.
I'm laughing at Goneliffe and Robertson.
All the dirt thrown at Banks, Collins et al has come back to haunt Liebor.
Not long to the elections and theres more dirt going to be unearthed
giving Liebor days of attempting to 'explain' just how donations were
not recorded.....
Karmas a bitch
Hooten's throwing around a $300k number for Liu's Labour donations.

Much more ignominy on the way for Labour, possibly accompanied by fraud investigations. And you just *know* the police will prosecute anything after the Banks case.

Karma's a bitch alright.
george152
2014-06-20 04:53:41 UTC
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Post by JohnO
Post by george152
Post by Rich80105
So now you are attacking Collins as well as Woodhouse!
Riiight.
I'm laughing at Goneliffe and Robertson.
All the dirt thrown at Banks, Collins et al has come back to haunt Liebor.
Not long to the elections and theres more dirt going to be unearthed
giving Liebor days of attempting to 'explain' just how donations were
not recorded.....
Karmas a bitch
Hooten's throwing around a $300k number for Liu's Labour donations.
Much more ignominy on the way for Labour, possibly accompanied by fraud investigations. And you just *know* the police will prosecute anything after the Banks case.
Karma's a bitch alright.
By now even the diehards will be head in hands lamenting just where
their stupidity has brought them to...
Going to be great watching the Police having to chase Liebor into court
Patrick FitzGerald
2014-06-20 05:02:36 UTC
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Post by george152
Going to be great watching the Police having to chase Liebor into court
You just keep thinking that.
The nasty nats will 'save the day' ROTFLMAO



Patrick

Rich80105
2014-06-18 21:19:41 UTC
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Post by EMB
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
<snip>
Post by JohnO
Jared Savage, the journalist who wrote the story in the Herald, clearly states that the source is within the Labour Party.
... which you can read as the ABC faction, Dickbot, just in case your two functioning brain cells haven't managed to connect and work this out.
The "Anyone but Collins" faction will be fairly relaxed at present,
JohnO - Collins has killed off any chance of becoming Leader of the
Opposition later this year - she has only lasted as a Minister because
Key cannot afford to admit his invovlement with Oravida . . .
Nice to see you're still making shit up there Rich. How about you now
go and ask the Labour caucus which of them had a new fence built
recently. And when you identify the individual, ask them why it was
built by a company (who don't normally build fences) which is looking to
win more government work, and what the cost was.
So you are saying there is a company out there who is that confident
of a Labour win are you EMB. If you think something wrong has happened
doubtless you will tell the appropriate authorities - or aer you just
trying to distract from Collins again?
JohnO
2014-06-18 21:22:02 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by EMB
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
<snip>
Post by JohnO
Jared Savage, the journalist who wrote the story in the Herald, clearly states that the source is within the Labour Party.
... which you can read as the ABC faction, Dickbot, just in case your two functioning brain cells haven't managed to connect and work this out.
The "Anyone but Collins" faction will be fairly relaxed at present,
JohnO - Collins has killed off any chance of becoming Leader of the
Opposition later this year - she has only lasted as a Minister because
Key cannot afford to admit his invovlement with Oravida . . .
Nice to see you're still making shit up there Rich. How about you now
go and ask the Labour caucus which of them had a new fence built
recently. And when you identify the individual, ask them why it was
built by a company (who don't normally build fences) which is looking to
win more government work, and what the cost was.
So you are saying there is a company out there who is that confident
of a Labour win are you EMB. If you think something wrong has happened
doubtless you will tell the appropriate authorities - or aer you just
trying to distract from Collins again?
Why would anyone want to distract from Collins? When was the last time she even got mentioned in the MSM?

There's only one story at the moment, Dickbot, and that's the slow motion train wreck that is the Cunliffe Labour Party.
Pooh
2014-06-19 02:03:26 UTC
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Post by JohnO
Post by Rich80105
Post by EMB
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
<snip>
Post by JohnO
Jared Savage, the journalist who wrote the story in the Herald, clearly states that the source is within the Labour Party.
... which you can read as the ABC faction, Dickbot, just in case your two functioning brain cells haven't managed to connect and work this out.
The "Anyone but Collins" faction will be fairly relaxed at present,
JohnO - Collins has killed off any chance of becoming Leader of the
Opposition later this year - she has only lasted as a Minister because
Key cannot afford to admit his invovlement with Oravida . . .
Nice to see you're still making shit up there Rich. How about you now
go and ask the Labour caucus which of them had a new fence built
recently. And when you identify the individual, ask them why it was
built by a company (who don't normally build fences) which is looking to
win more government work, and what the cost was.
So you are saying there is a company out there who is that confident
of a Labour win are you EMB. If you think something wrong has happened
doubtless you will tell the appropriate authorities - or aer you just
trying to distract from Collins again?
Why would anyone want to distract from Collins? When was the last time she even got mentioned in the MSM?
There's only one story at the moment, Dickbot, and that's the slow motion train wreck that is the Cunliffe Labour Party.
Interesting that Desperate Dave seems to have had a meeting with several
from the ABC team this morning. Was it to cane them or offer his
resignation?

Pooh

Pooh
EMB
2014-06-19 09:58:27 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by EMB
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
<snip>
Post by JohnO
Jared Savage, the journalist who wrote the story in the Herald, clearly states that the source is within the Labour Party.
... which you can read as the ABC faction, Dickbot, just in case your two functioning brain cells haven't managed to connect and work this out.
The "Anyone but Collins" faction will be fairly relaxed at present,
JohnO - Collins has killed off any chance of becoming Leader of the
Opposition later this year - she has only lasted as a Minister because
Key cannot afford to admit his invovlement with Oravida . . .
Nice to see you're still making shit up there Rich. How about you now
go and ask the Labour caucus which of them had a new fence built
recently. And when you identify the individual, ask them why it was
built by a company (who don't normally build fences) which is looking to
win more government work, and what the cost was.
So you are saying there is a company out there who is that confident
of a Labour win are you EMB. If you think something wrong has happened
doubtless you will tell the appropriate authorities - or aer you just
trying to distract from Collins again?
Are you really that stupid Rich? There is a company out there hedging
their bets, and thinking long term - certainly well beyond the next
parliamentary term. Politicians (the competent ones anyway) have good
memories.
EMB
2014-06-18 19:36:33 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Are you now claiming that the Herald made the claim up? It is
possible; certainly they gave no evidence - just like Whaloil when you
think about it . . . .
Swallow that rat Rich, and apologise nicely. Even the Herald have
published the photos, and of course Cunliffe has now admitted to doing
the same thing that got him screaming for Williamson's resignation.
Rich80105
2014-06-18 21:10:45 UTC
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Post by EMB
Post by Rich80105
Are you now claiming that the Herald made the claim up? It is
possible; certainly they gave no evidence - just like Whaloil when you
think about it . . . .
Swallow that rat Rich, and apologise nicely. Even the Herald have
published the photos, and of course Cunliffe has now admitted to doing
the same thing that got him screaming for Williamson's resignation.
As always, the Nat-bots canno resist spin and outright lies.


The reference to Whaleoil came in this exchange - look back for the
Post by EMB
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
I see. 99% of the whinging by lefties in this ng is based on various "reports". But all of a sudden some sort of proof is required? Strange double standards you have, Keith.
So to you a report from Whaleoil amounts to the equivalent of a
judgement in a court case, does it?
Whaleoil? As per usual, Dickbot just goes and makes something up.
Are you now claiming that the Herald made the claim up? It is
possible; certainly they gave no evidence - just like Whaloil when you
think about it . . . .
__________

Giving a cite for a statement is good practice, but not accepting
reports and requiring "proof" wwould fly in the face of the tendency
of the right to quote Whaleoil - who has of course been known to be
wrong on many occasions.

At the time I wrote my comment The Herald had indeed not provided any
proof of its allegations - although also since then we find that their
source may well have been Whale - it appears that he and at least one
of his associates knew of the "sting" before it happened.

The Herald has been forced to print a copy of the letter signed by
Cunliffe back in 2003 and sent from his office - and it does indeed
refute the claims that Cunliffe had interfered with due process in any
way, or in a similar way to Williamson. All Cunliffe did was pass on a
request on behalf of a constituent (apparently most likely through an
immigration agent), and ask Immigration to let Liu know when his
application would be processed. Really not significant at all.

But the whole immigration file would have been pored over by National
at the time of Williamsons debacle - and doubtless they stored this
one up for nearer the election - Key has spoken of having a drawer of
information on opponents, and the "gotcha" was on . . .

What a shame National doesn't spend as much time looking after the
country . . .
-Newsman-
2014-06-18 22:34:35 UTC
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Post by EMB
Post by Rich80105
Are you now claiming that the Herald made the claim up? It is
possible; certainly they gave no evidence - just like Whaloil when you
think about it . . . .
Swallow that rat Rich, and apologise nicely. Even the Herald have
published the photos, and of course Cunliffe has now admitted to doing
the same thing that got him screaming for Williamson's resignation.
Yet the Liu letter was written all of 11 years ago and only then after
8 months of seemingly zero response from the minister's department to
Mr Lui's original application.

Even then, it's no more than the kind of anodyne stuff any dilgent
backbench MP of the day must routinely handle on behalf of
constituents. So, expecting Cunliffe ro anyone else should be able to
recall a specific letter out of thousands after a lapse of 11 years
seems way more than a stretch. However, I reckon that at time
National's **other** Tarbaby, Liu, and his overt blandishments came to
light, Labour's menials should immediately have been directed to more
rigorously search out any archive material that might have shown any
previous relationship or possible connexion, however tenuous, between
any Labour member and Liu.

Piss poor management on Labour's part.

The letter itself is a classic form letter, and I can tell you it is
almost identical, in fact, to those written on my behalf to the then
immigration minister when I first arrived in New Zealand. A routine
gee-up enquiry, nothing untoward, nothing questionable, and nowhere
near any suggestion of being actionable.

So there's nothing further to see in this piddling little
storm-in-a-teacup.

Those who lead lives full of meaning and stimulus will have already
moved along to thikngs that actually matter, leaving this piddling
piece of innocuous bumf to be endlessly picked over like roadkill by
the usual coterie of parochial little no-life pygmies who, day in day
out, bray back and forth between each other in their fetid little ng
echo chamber.
Rich80105
2014-06-18 22:40:33 UTC
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Post by -Newsman-
Post by EMB
Post by Rich80105
Are you now claiming that the Herald made the claim up? It is
possible; certainly they gave no evidence - just like Whaloil when you
think about it . . . .
Swallow that rat Rich, and apologise nicely. Even the Herald have
published the photos, and of course Cunliffe has now admitted to doing
the same thing that got him screaming for Williamson's resignation.
Yet the Liu letter was written all of 11 years ago and only then after
8 months of seemingly zero response from the minister's department to
Mr Lui's original application.
Even then, it's no more than the kind of anodyne stuff any dilgent
backbench MP of the day must routinely handle on behalf of
constituents. So, expecting Cunliffe ro anyone else should be able to
recall a specific letter out of thousands after a lapse of 11 years
seems way more than a stretch. However, I reckon that at time
National's **other** Tarbaby, Liu, and his overt blandishments came to
light, Labour's menials should immediately have been directed to more
rigorously search out any archive material that might have shown any
previous relationship or possible connexion, however tenuous, between
any Labour member and Liu.
Piss poor management on Labour's part.
The letter itself is a classic form letter, and I can tell you it is
almost identical, in fact, to those written on my behalf to the then
immigration minister when I first arrived in New Zealand. A routine
gee-up enquiry, nothing untoward, nothing questionable, and nowhere
near any suggestion of being actionable.
So there's nothing further to see in this piddling little
storm-in-a-teacup.
Those who lead lives full of meaning and stimulus will have already
moved along to thikngs that actually matter, leaving this piddling
piece of innocuous bumf to be endlessly picked over like roadkill by
the usual coterie of parochial little no-life pygmies who, day in day
out, bray back and forth between each other in their fetid little ng
echo chamber.
Nevertheless is continues to be a subject newspapers are finding great
copy - with The Herald saying that Cunliffe supported the application,
and Key saying that he has known for weeks that there was a letter
from Cunliffe.
JohnO
2014-06-18 22:52:43 UTC
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Post by -Newsman-
Post by EMB
Post by Rich80105
Are you now claiming that the Herald made the claim up? It is
possible; certainly they gave no evidence - just like Whaloil when you
think about it . . . .
Swallow that rat Rich, and apologise nicely. Even the Herald have
published the photos, and of course Cunliffe has now admitted to doing
the same thing that got him screaming for Williamson's resignation.
Yet the Liu letter was written all of 11 years ago and only then after
8 months of seemingly zero response from the minister's department to
Mr Lui's original application.
Even then, it's no more than the kind of anodyne stuff any dilgent
backbench MP of the day must routinely handle on behalf of
constituents. So, expecting Cunliffe ro anyone else should be able to
recall a specific letter out of thousands after a lapse of 11 years
seems way more than a stretch. However, I reckon that at time
National's **other** Tarbaby, Liu, and his overt blandishments came to
light, Labour's menials should immediately have been directed to more
rigorously search out any archive material that might have shown any
previous relationship or possible connexion, however tenuous, between
any Labour member and Liu.
Liu is very well known to many people in and associated with Labour. It defies belief that *not one* of them twigged to the 2004 (and 2007) connections he had with the party, once Labour started beating National with him.

Yet nobody spoke up. Nobody alerted Cunliffe or his minders. The reason being that those in the know happen to be in the parliamentary ABC faction and hate his guts.
Post by -Newsman-
Piss poor management on Labour's part.
Much more than that. Pure treachery.
Post by -Newsman-
The letter itself is a classic form letter, and I can tell you it is
almost identical, in fact, to those written on my behalf to the then
immigration minister when I first arrived in New Zealand.
And how much did you donate in order to get your letter actioned?
Post by -Newsman-
A routine
gee-up enquiry, nothing untoward, nothing questionable, and nowhere
near any suggestion of being actionable.
Nobody says Cunliffe's letter is either. The issue is the hypocrisy and mismanagement this would-be PM continues to exhibit.
Post by -Newsman-
So there's nothing further to see in this piddling little
storm-in-a-teacup.
You wish. This "piddling storm in a teacup" is confirming the destruction of Cunliffe's dream of being PM. Piddling indeed!
Post by -Newsman-
Those who lead lives full of meaning and stimulus will have already
moved along to thikngs that actually matter, leaving this piddling
piece of innocuous bumf to be endlessly picked over like roadkill by
the usual coterie of parochial little no-life pygmies who, day in day
out, bray back and forth between each other in their fetid little ng
echo chamber.
Dream on Keith. This is being picked over, *endlessly* by the MSM, not just this NG.

Much as you would love to hide under a rock blocking your ears, Labour's whole line of mud-flinging attack for the last year has now splattered back all over their face.

Enjoy!
-Newsman-
2014-06-19 01:03:39 UTC
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Post by JohnO
Post by -Newsman-
Post by EMB
Post by Rich80105
Are you now claiming that the Herald made the claim up? It is
possible; certainly they gave no evidence - just like Whaloil when you
think about it . . . .
Swallow that rat Rich, and apologise nicely. Even the Herald have
published the photos, and of course Cunliffe has now admitted to doing
the same thing that got him screaming for Williamson's resignation.
Yet the Liu letter was written all of 11 years ago and only then after
8 months of seemingly zero response from the minister's department to
Mr Lui's original application.
Even then, it's no more than the kind of anodyne stuff any dilgent
backbench MP of the day must routinely handle on behalf of
constituents. So, expecting Cunliffe ro anyone else should be able to
recall a specific letter out of thousands after a lapse of 11 years
seems way more than a stretch. However, I reckon that at time
National's **other** Tarbaby, Liu, and his overt blandishments came to
light, Labour's menials should immediately have been directed to more
rigorously search out any archive material that might have shown any
previous relationship or possible connexion, however tenuous, between
any Labour member and Liu.
Liu is very well known to many people in and associated with Labour. It defies belief that *not one* of them twigged to the 2004 (and 2007) connections he had with the party, once Labour started beating National with him.
Yet nobody spoke up. Nobody alerted Cunliffe or his minders. The reason being that those in the know happen to be in the parliamentary ABC faction and hate his guts.
Post by -Newsman-
Piss poor management on Labour's part.
Much more than that. Pure treachery.
Doubtless. Welcome dear new reader to New Zealand and one notable if
less than edifying characteristic of its (polite cough) 'identity.'
Post by JohnO
Post by -Newsman-
The letter itself is a classic form letter, and I can tell you it is
almost identical, in fact, to those written on my behalf to the then
immigration minister when I first arrived in New Zealand.
And how much did you donate in order to get your letter actioned?
To whom or what?.
Post by JohnO
Post by -Newsman-
A routine
gee-up enquiry, nothing untoward, nothing questionable, and nowhere
near any suggestion of being actionable.
Nobody says Cunliffe's letter is either. The issue is the hypocrisy and mismanagement this would-be PM continues to exhibit.
Post by -Newsman-
So there's nothing further to see in this piddling little
storm-in-a-teacup.
You wish. This "piddling storm in a teacup" is confirming the destruction of Cunliffe's dream of being PM. Piddling indeed!
Cullen and his dream along with most if not all NZ parliamentary
politics is piddling, a view I have never found wanting for more than
20 years.

Any viewing of the House when sitting shows it's getting even worse.
This is what happens when, as Len Bayliss wrote more than 20 years
ago, New Zealand politicians are dangerously "udereducated and
self-satisfied." The condition is, plainly, congenital, extending as
it does beyond the House with their publically vaunted arrogance and
incompetence all of it with a total lack of accountability or even a
hint of contrition for their fumblings anf fuckups.
Post by JohnO
Post by -Newsman-
Those who lead lives full of meaning and stimulus will have already
moved along to thikngs that actually matter, leaving this piddling
piece of innocuous bumf to be endlessly picked over like roadkill by
the usual coterie of parochial little no-life pygmies who, day in day
out, bray back and forth between each other in their fetid little ng
echo chamber.
Dream on Keith. This is being picked over, *endlessly* by the MSM, not just this NG.
A small parochial country breeds small parochial minds which, in turn,
breed and foster small and parochial MSM.
Post by JohnO
Much as you would love to hide under a rock blocking your ears, Labour's whole line of mud-flinging attack for the last year has now splattered back all over their face.
Enjoy!
I already do!

As an all too common - albeit unedifying - cultural feature of New
Zealand, transparent liars, cheats, dissemblers and, yes, even vulgar
catcallers of the John Key stripe, do have a certain attraction.

The trouble is the clumsy gumboot way they go about their various
trickeries and malfeasances. But what's so sadly missing is those
quintessential qualities of the genuine mountebank, cad and bounder:

Unwavering grace under fire, suave sophistication (preferably with a
smidgeon of langour) and that inimitable eyebrow-rasing insouciance
yer just can't get past.

That's right.....Sheer Class!
misanthropic_curmudgeon
2014-06-18 23:39:22 UTC
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On Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:34:35 AM UTC+12, -Newsman- wrote:
[snip]
Post by -Newsman-
Yet the Liu letter was written all of 11 years ago
and only then after 8 months of seemingly zero
response from the minister's department to
Mr Lui's original application.
In the letter signed by Conliffe, Conliffe quite clearly states he was approached by Lr Liu. Conliffe denied ever meeting him. One of those claim is - by definition - a lie.

In the letter signed by Conliffe, Conliffe quite clearly states the advantages of Mr Lius appliaction being successful. Conliffe denied ever advocating for him. One of those claim is - by definition - a lie.
Post by -Newsman-
The letter itself is a classic form letter, and I can
tell you it is almost identical, in fact, to those
written on my behalf to the then immigration minister
when I first arrived in New Zealand.
Did you meet the MP in question?
JohnO
2014-06-18 23:50:49 UTC
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On Thursday, 19 June 2014 11:39:22 UTC+12, misanthropic_curmudgeon wrote:
<snip>
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by -Newsman-
The letter itself is a classic form letter, and I can
It is clearly not a form letter as it contains specific details regarding Mr Liu's situation. Keith Warren's sycophantic apologism on behalf of Labour is toe-curlingly awful.
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by -Newsman-
tell you it is almost identical, in fact, to those
written on my behalf to the then immigration minister
when I first arrived in New Zealand.
Did you meet the MP in question?
... and did he grease his palm with silver?
-Newsman-
2014-06-19 01:07:53 UTC
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Post by JohnO
<snip>
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by -Newsman-
The letter itself is a classic form letter, and I can
It is clearly not a form letter as it contains specific details regarding Mr Liu's situation. Keith Warren's sycophantic apologism on behalf of Labour is toe-curlingly awful.
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by -Newsman-
tell you it is almost identical, in fact, to those
written on my behalf to the then immigration minister
when I first arrived in New Zealand.
Did you meet the MP in question?
Why would I or do you think I should have?
Post by JohnO
... and did he grease his palm with silver?
Keep going...gets wilder and more fanciful with your every follow-up
post.

(But then, that's your innate pathology in a nutshell.)
JohnO
2014-06-19 01:45:19 UTC
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Post by -Newsman-
Post by JohnO
<snip>
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by -Newsman-
The letter itself is a classic form letter, and I can
It is clearly not a form letter as it contains specific details regarding Mr Liu's situation. Keith Warren's sycophantic apologism on behalf of Labour is toe-curlingly awful.
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by -Newsman-
tell you it is almost identical, in fact, to those
written on my behalf to the then immigration minister
when I first arrived in New Zealand.
Did you meet the MP in question?
Why would I or do you think I should have?
Post by JohnO
... and did he grease his palm with silver?
Keep going...gets wilder and more fanciful with your every follow-up
post.
Just a simple hypothetical question, not a suggestion. I know you are old and befuddled, Keith, but since you made the comparison between yourself and Liu it is worth having it pointed out why your comparison is inadequate.

A bit like your mental faculties, these days.

Liu was a donor hence the letter was not "simple".
Post by -Newsman-
(But then, that's your innate pathology in a nutshell.)
What's yours? Key Derangement Syndrome?
Rich80105
2014-06-19 04:22:03 UTC
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Post by JohnO
Post by -Newsman-
Post by JohnO
<snip>
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by -Newsman-
The letter itself is a classic form letter, and I can
It is clearly not a form letter as it contains specific details regarding Mr Liu's situation. Keith Warren's sycophantic apologism on behalf of Labour is toe-curlingly awful.
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by -Newsman-
tell you it is almost identical, in fact, to those
written on my behalf to the then immigration minister
when I first arrived in New Zealand.
Did you meet the MP in question?
Why would I or do you think I should have?
Post by JohnO
... and did he grease his palm with silver?
Keep going...gets wilder and more fanciful with your every follow-up
post.
Just a simple hypothetical question, not a suggestion. I know you are old and befuddled, Keith, but since you made the comparison between yourself and Liu it is worth having it pointed out why your comparison is inadequate.
Then why would you think Newsman had greased anyones palm?
Post by JohnO
A bit like your mental faculties, these days.
Liu was a donor hence the letter was not "simple".
Do you have any evidence of that?
Which part of the letter did you not understand?
Post by JohnO
Post by -Newsman-
(But then, that's your innate pathology in a nutshell.)
What's yours? Key Derangement Syndrome?
Rich80105
2014-06-19 04:12:16 UTC
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On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:39:22 -0700 (PDT), misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
[snip]
Post by -Newsman-
Yet the Liu letter was written all of 11 years ago
and only then after 8 months of seemingly zero
response from the minister's department to
Mr Lui's original application.
In the letter signed by Conliffe, Conliffe quite clearly states he was approached by Lr Liu. Conliffe denied ever meeting him. One of those claim is - by definition - a lie.
Of course it is not - he may well have been represented by an
immigration agent.
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
In the letter signed by Conliffe, Conliffe quite clearly states the advantages of Mr Lius appliaction being successful. Conliffe denied ever advocating for him. One of those claim is - by definition - a lie.
No he doesn't. He sets out information he has been given, and makes no
judgement on it - either positive or negative.
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by -Newsman-
The letter itself is a classic form letter, and I can
tell you it is almost identical, in fact, to those
written on my behalf to the then immigration minister
when I first arrived in New Zealand.
Did you meet the MP in question?
JohnO
2014-06-19 04:24:25 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:39:22 -0700 (PDT), misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
[snip]
Post by -Newsman-
Yet the Liu letter was written all of 11 years ago
and only then after 8 months of seemingly zero
response from the minister's department to
Mr Lui's original application.
In the letter signed by Conliffe, Conliffe quite clearly states he was approached by Lr Liu. Conliffe denied ever meeting him. One of those claim is - by definition - a lie.
Of course it is not - he may well have been represented by an
immigration agent.
Then he lied in his letter when he said he had been approached by Liu.

Feel free to keep this up Dickbot - good to see Labour entrenching in the 20's.
Post by Rich80105
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
In the letter signed by Conliffe, Conliffe quite clearly states the advantages of Mr Lius appliaction being successful. Conliffe denied ever advocating for him. One of those claim is - by definition - a lie.
No he doesn't. He sets out information he has been given, and makes no
judgement on it - either positive or negative.
Oh rubbish. Only the tragically biased would believe that.

Gordon Campbell at least sees it for what it is:
"Who knew that David Cunliffe's speech to last year's Labour Party conference was not a new beginning, but the last gasp of the credible phase of his leadership? In itself, his 2003 letter to the Immigration Service was innocuous. Yet only a Jesuit could make the fine distinction that Labour is now trying to make between Cunliffe's inquiry about how long Donghua Liu's residency application was taking, and outright "advocacy" for that application to be approved. Not surprisingly, such letters are seen by officials as "hurry up" reminders, and are intended to serve as such. This was advocacy; the same advocacy that Cunliffe had just this week denied ever making. Probably he did so unknowingly. Either way though - fool or knave - it's not a good look."
misanthropic_curmudgeon
2014-06-19 05:29:22 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:39:22 -0700 (PDT), misanthropic_curmudgeon
Post by misanthropic_curmudgeon
[snip]
Post by -Newsman-
Yet the Liu letter was written all of 11 years ago
and only then after 8 months of seemingly zero
response from the minister's department to
Mr Lui's original application.
In the letter signed by Conliffe, Conliffe quite
clearly states he was approached by Lr Liu.
Conliffe denied ever meeting him. One of those
claim is - by definition - a lie.
Of course it is not - he may well have been
represented by an immigration agent.
What part of Conliffe writing "I have been approached by my constituent Donghua Lui who is ..." could suggets it was an immigration consultant and not Mr Liu who met with Conliffe, richbot?

Do you even read the data laid before you that shows Conliffe lied?
misanthropic_curmudgeon
2014-06-17 20:58:31 UTC
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Post by JohnO
Post by Rich80105
So to you a report from Whaleoil amounts to the equivalent of a
judgement in a court case, does it?
Whaleoil? As per usual, Dickbot just goes and makes something up.
Richbot does not like facts, and prefers to see conspiracy and fantasy

Here is another a Herald article, referencing their two sources:
www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11276071

"A Labour Cabinet Minister presented a bottle of wine to the partner of businessman Donghua Liu at a fundraiser for the party.

The Herald has obtained a photograph of Rick Barker with Juan Zhang, who has two children with Liu, after he won an auction for the bottle at an Auckland restaurant in June 2007.

It is not known how much Liu paid for the wine - believed to be signed by then-Prime Minister Helen Clark - and Mr Barker said he presented auction prizes several times at Labour fundraisers.

He was the Minister for Internal Affairs at the time, and visited Liu in his hometown of Chongqing in China earlier that year, although he did not know Liu was a donor to Labour.

Two sources have told the Herald that Liu paid $15,000 at an auction in 2007 for a book signed by Helen Clark.

Labour general secretary Tim Barnett said a check of the party's records showed no donation from Liu under his name."


As I mentioned previously, did Barker pocket the cheque?
george152
2014-06-17 20:14:57 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
<snip>
Post by -Newsman-
Reports are not proof.
I see. 99% of the whinging by lefties in this ng is based on various "reports". But all of a sudden some sort of proof is required? Strange double standards you have, Keith.
So to you a report from Whaleoil amounts to the equivalent of a
judgement in a court case, does it?
You must be kidding.
At least Whaleoil verifies his facts before he blogs.
And allows dissent.
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