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Rich80105
2021-09-08 23:43:10 UTC
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JohnO
2021-09-09 00:16:23 UTC
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All of us are not safe from all sorts of things from influenza to lightning strikes to the common cold.

Mickey Savage doesn't seem to have got it through his thick skull that there's no elimination without permanent isolation from the rest of the world...
Rich80105
2021-09-09 01:23:54 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
https://thestandard.org.nz/until-all-of-us-are-safe-none-of-us-are-safe/
All of us are not safe from all sorts of things from influenza to lightning strikes to the common cold.
Mickey Savage doesn't seem to have got it through his thick skull that there's no elimination without permanent isolation from the rest of the world...
That is of course not entirely true - it is similar to the risk of
driving on our roads; we can never know if another driver will cross
acentre line and kill us, but we take that risk. The answer is not to
try and eliminate all risk, but to manage what we do with knowledge of
our current situation. At present we are achieving a high level of
elimination within our borders - I suspect JohnO is getting confused
with eradication of Covid altogether - that is not likely to be
quickly. Even 100% vaccination will not achieve elimination alone - it
does not give 100% immunity, but it is likely to substantially reduce
infection rates, and to also substantially reduce the severity of such
infections as still occur.

The concept of herd immunity is not talked about much anymore - Delta
has shown that a small number of contacts can spread quickly,
especially to anyone not yet vaccinated.

It is therefore important that we do not have sections of our
population who are slow to get vaccinated for whatever reason, and if
that takes priority at a particular location then that does not
interfere with other locations. The statistics are clear - we needed
to try other avenues to get Maori and Pacific populations to better
understand the need to get vaccinated.

National will be pleased at this mis-step by Seymour; his explanation
appeared to confuse different issues. It may lead to the next poll not
showing further support for ACT to the detriment of National - but it
is unlikely to attract support from Maori, Green or Labour parties.

Read the link above - his attempt to justify the publication was known
when that was written.
John Bowes
2021-09-09 03:40:07 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
https://thestandard.org.nz/until-all-of-us-are-safe-none-of-us-are-safe/
All of us are not safe from all sorts of things from influenza to lightning strikes to the common cold.
Mickey Savage doesn't seem to have got it through his thick skull that there's no elimination without permanent isolation from the rest of the world...
That is of course not entirely true - it is similar to the risk of
driving on our roads; we can never know if another driver will cross
acentre line and kill us, but we take that risk. The answer is not to
try and eliminate all risk, but to manage what we do with knowledge of
our current situation. At present we are achieving a high level of
elimination within our borders - I suspect JohnO is getting confused
with eradication of Covid altogether - that is not likely to be
quickly. Even 100% vaccination will not achieve elimination alone - it
does not give 100% immunity, but it is likely to substantially reduce
infection rates, and to also substantially reduce the severity of such
infections as still occur.
Vaccination for Covid 19 doesn't give ANY immunity you moron! It only makes the symptoms less severe. Suggest you read less bullshit from thestranded and your ever more useless government and look for better sources from those who do know about it!
Post by Rich80105
The concept of herd immunity is not talked about much anymore - Delta
has shown that a small number of contacts can spread quickly,
especially to anyone not yet vaccinated.
The trouble Rich is Covid can even spread to those vaccinated. A fact you, your useless government and the imbecilic left wing studiously ignore!
Post by Rich80105
It is therefore important that we do not have sections of our
population who are slow to get vaccinated for whatever reason, and if
that takes priority at a particular location then that does not
interfere with other locations. The statistics are clear - we needed
to try other avenues to get Maori and Pacific populations to better
understand the need to get vaccinated.
What avenues would you suggest? Maybe send vaccine teams to every Maori and Pacifica household to vaccinate them.
Post by Rich80105
National will be pleased at this mis-step by Seymour; his explanation
appeared to confuse different issues. It may lead to the next poll not
showing further support for ACT to the detriment of National - but it
is unlikely to attract support from Maori, Green or Labour parties.
The misstep was the lefty racists throwing a fir at Seymour Rich. AND you fucking know it!
Post by Rich80105
Read the link above - his attempt to justify the publication was known
when that was written.
So what? Seymour made more sense than your hero Micky Savage who hasn't got the balls to stand up and be identified! He's another coward like you Rich hiding behind a nym!
Rich80105
2021-09-09 04:23:42 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by Rich80105
https://thestandard.org.nz/until-all-of-us-are-safe-none-of-us-are-safe/
All of us are not safe from all sorts of things from influenza to lightning strikes to the common cold.
Mickey Savage doesn't seem to have got it through his thick skull that there's no elimination without permanent isolation from the rest of the world...
That is of course not entirely true - it is similar to the risk of
driving on our roads; we can never know if another driver will cross
acentre line and kill us, but we take that risk. The answer is not to
try and eliminate all risk, but to manage what we do with knowledge of
our current situation. At present we are achieving a high level of
elimination within our borders - I suspect JohnO is getting confused
with eradication of Covid altogether - that is not likely to be
quickly. Even 100% vaccination will not achieve elimination alone - it
does not give 100% immunity, but it is likely to substantially reduce
infection rates, and to also substantially reduce the severity of such
infections as still occur.
Vaccination for Covid 19 doesn't give ANY immunity you moron! It only makes the symptoms less severe. Suggest you read less bullshit from thestranded and your ever more useless government and look for better sources from those who do know about it!
The lower rate of infection for those vaccinated is called partial
immunity. The chance of ending up in hospital with covid is much more
likely for those vaccinated than for those who have not been
vaccinated.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
The concept of herd immunity is not talked about much anymore - Delta
has shown that a small number of contacts can spread quickly,
especially to anyone not yet vaccinated.
The trouble Rich is Covid can even spread to those vaccinated. A fact you, your useless government and the imbecilic left wing studiously ignore!
For Covid to spread in our community there must be at least one
infectd person inteh community. Once we are all vaccinated the rate of
ransmission of nfection is lowered, but not reduced to zero. We do not
yet know what level of vaccination, if any, will give us at least
partial "herd immunity." That is important for deciding when
restrictions on entry can be even slightly relaxed.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
It is therefore important that we do not have sections of our
population who are slow to get vaccinated for whatever reason, and if
that takes priority at a particular location then that does not
interfere with other locations. The statistics are clear - we needed
to try other avenues to get Maori and Pacific populations to better
understand the need to get vaccinated.
What avenues would you suggest? Maybe send vaccine teams to every Maori and Pacifica household to vaccinate them.
An organisation specialising in providing help to the Maori community
tried to give priority to their own people - an idiot MP tried to make
that an invitation to others to attend - we may have different
opinions on whether that was an attempt at deliberate sabotage.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
National will be pleased at this mis-step by Seymour; his explanation
appeared to confuse different issues. It may lead to the next poll not
showing further support for ACT to the detriment of National - but it
is unlikely to attract support from Maori, Green or Labour parties.
The misstep was the lefty racists throwing a fir at Seymour Rich. AND you fucking know it!
Post by Rich80105
Read the link above - his attempt to justify the publication was known
when that was written.
So what? Seymour made more sense than your hero Micky Savage who hasn't got the balls to stand up and be identified! He's another coward like you Rich hiding behind a nym!
On what basis do you think Micky Savage is not a real name? Is John
Bowes your real name? Do we care?
John Bowes
2021-09-09 05:12:05 UTC
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 20:40:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by Rich80105
https://thestandard.org.nz/until-all-of-us-are-safe-none-of-us-are-safe/
All of us are not safe from all sorts of things from influenza to lightning strikes to the common cold.
Mickey Savage doesn't seem to have got it through his thick skull that there's no elimination without permanent isolation from the rest of the world...
That is of course not entirely true - it is similar to the risk of
driving on our roads; we can never know if another driver will cross
acentre line and kill us, but we take that risk. The answer is not to
try and eliminate all risk, but to manage what we do with knowledge of
our current situation. At present we are achieving a high level of
elimination within our borders - I suspect JohnO is getting confused
with eradication of Covid altogether - that is not likely to be
quickly. Even 100% vaccination will not achieve elimination alone - it
does not give 100% immunity, but it is likely to substantially reduce
infection rates, and to also substantially reduce the severity of such
infections as still occur.
Vaccination for Covid 19 doesn't give ANY immunity you moron! It only makes the symptoms less severe. Suggest you read less bullshit from thestranded and your ever more useless government and look for better sources from those who do know about it!
The lower rate of infection for those vaccinated is called partial
immunity. The chance of ending up in hospital with covid is much more
likely for those vaccinated than for those who have not been
vaccinated.
Again you demonstrate why you get no respect Rich! If you're vaccinated it doesn't stop you getting covid 19 it just makes the onset less severe. ONLY severe case go to hospital so even though in one way your right (though how someone as left as you could be is a mystery to all) but in all respects your left/wrong because your argument makes even less sense than your usual attempts to support your government!
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
The concept of herd immunity is not talked about much anymore - Delta
has shown that a small number of contacts can spread quickly,
especially to anyone not yet vaccinated.
The trouble Rich is Covid can even spread to those vaccinated. A fact you, your useless government and the imbecilic left wing studiously ignore!
For Covid to spread in our community there must be at least one
infectd person inteh community. Once we are all vaccinated the rate of
ransmission of nfection is lowered, but not reduced to zero. We do not
yet know what level of vaccination, if any, will give us at least
partial "herd immunity." That is important for deciding when
restrictions on entry can be even slightly relaxed.
What a badly spelled piece of bullshit Rich! FFS! Your government is already getting a booster vaccine set up! So this bullshit is just typical of you and just a variation on your usual Labour left, National right :)
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
It is therefore important that we do not have sections of our
population who are slow to get vaccinated for whatever reason, and if
that takes priority at a particular location then that does not
interfere with other locations. The statistics are clear - we needed
to try other avenues to get Maori and Pacific populations to better
understand the need to get vaccinated.
What avenues would you suggest? Maybe send vaccine teams to every Maori and Pacifica household to vaccinate them.
An organisation specialising in providing help to the Maori community
tried to give priority to their own people - an idiot MP tried to make
that an invitation to others to attend - we may have different
opinions on whether that was an attempt at deliberate sabotage.
BULLSHIT to your claim against Seymour! The organisation failed in it's efforts to practice what is in all respects a racist approach to the problem! And you haven't answered my question1 Typical of you when you doný have a solution to the problem you're vainly defending!
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
National will be pleased at this mis-step by Seymour; his explanation
appeared to confuse different issues. It may lead to the next poll not
showing further support for ACT to the detriment of National - but it
is unlikely to attract support from Maori, Green or Labour parties.
The misstep was the lefty racists throwing a fir at Seymour Rich. AND you fucking know it!
Post by Rich80105
Read the link above - his attempt to justify the publication was known
when that was written.
So what? Seymour made more sense than your hero Micky Savage who hasn't got the balls to stand up and be identified! He's another coward like you Rich hiding behind a nym!
On what basis do you think Micky Savage is not a real name? Is John
Bowes your real name? Do we care?
For the simple fact that you and mickysavage use false names to hide your true names. Probably in your case because it hides your membership of the new Zealand Communist party or a position in the FOL! Remember Rich both you and mickysavage are compulsive liars when it comes to defending your useless Labour party.
Now produce evidence that the well known nym mickysavage is his real name or admit for once in your useless life that you've lied so you can make yourself look even lower than the shit house rat we all know you to be!
John Bowes
2021-09-09 10:35:59 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 20:40:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by Rich80105
https://thestandard.org.nz/until-all-of-us-are-safe-none-of-us-are-safe/
All of us are not safe from all sorts of things from influenza to lightning strikes to the common cold.
Mickey Savage doesn't seem to have got it through his thick skull that there's no elimination without permanent isolation from the rest of the world...
That is of course not entirely true - it is similar to the risk of
driving on our roads; we can never know if another driver will cross
acentre line and kill us, but we take that risk. The answer is not to
try and eliminate all risk, but to manage what we do with knowledge of
our current situation. At present we are achieving a high level of
elimination within our borders - I suspect JohnO is getting confused
with eradication of Covid altogether - that is not likely to be
quickly. Even 100% vaccination will not achieve elimination alone - it
does not give 100% immunity, but it is likely to substantially reduce
infection rates, and to also substantially reduce the severity of such
infections as still occur.
Vaccination for Covid 19 doesn't give ANY immunity you moron! It only makes the symptoms less severe. Suggest you read less bullshit from thestranded and your ever more useless government and look for better sources from those who do know about it!
The lower rate of infection for those vaccinated is called partial
immunity. The chance of ending up in hospital with covid is much more
likely for those vaccinated than for those who have not been
vaccinated.
Again you demonstrate why you get no respect Rich! If you're vaccinated it doesn't stop you getting covid 19 it just makes the onset less severe. ONLY severe case go to hospital so even though in one way your right (though how someone as left as you could be is a mystery to all) but in all respects your left/wrong because your argument makes even less sense than your usual attempts to support your government!
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
The concept of herd immunity is not talked about much anymore - Delta
has shown that a small number of contacts can spread quickly,
especially to anyone not yet vaccinated.
The trouble Rich is Covid can even spread to those vaccinated. A fact you, your useless government and the imbecilic left wing studiously ignore!
For Covid to spread in our community there must be at least one
infectd person inteh community. Once we are all vaccinated the rate of
ransmission of nfection is lowered, but not reduced to zero. We do not
yet know what level of vaccination, if any, will give us at least
partial "herd immunity." That is important for deciding when
restrictions on entry can be even slightly relaxed.
What a badly spelled piece of bullshit Rich! FFS! Your government is already getting a booster vaccine set up! So this bullshit is just typical of you and just a variation on your usual Labour left, National right :)
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
It is therefore important that we do not have sections of our
population who are slow to get vaccinated for whatever reason, and if
that takes priority at a particular location then that does not
interfere with other locations. The statistics are clear - we needed
to try other avenues to get Maori and Pacific populations to better
understand the need to get vaccinated.
What avenues would you suggest? Maybe send vaccine teams to every Maori and Pacifica household to vaccinate them.
An organisation specialising in providing help to the Maori community
tried to give priority to their own people - an idiot MP tried to make
that an invitation to others to attend - we may have different
opinions on whether that was an attempt at deliberate sabotage.
BULLSHIT to your claim against Seymour! The organisation failed in it's efforts to practice what is in all respects a racist approach to the problem! And you haven't answered my question1 Typical of you when you doný have a solution to the problem you're vainly defending!
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
National will be pleased at this mis-step by Seymour; his explanation
appeared to confuse different issues. It may lead to the next poll not
showing further support for ACT to the detriment of National - but it
is unlikely to attract support from Maori, Green or Labour parties.
The misstep was the lefty racists throwing a fir at Seymour Rich. AND you fucking know it!
Post by Rich80105
Read the link above - his attempt to justify the publication was known
when that was written.
So what? Seymour made more sense than your hero Micky Savage who hasn't got the balls to stand up and be identified! He's another coward like you Rich hiding behind a nym!
On what basis do you think Micky Savage is not a real name? Is John
Bowes your real name? Do we care?
For the simple fact that you and mickysavage use false names to hide your true names. Probably in your case because it hides your membership of the new Zealand Communist party or a position in the FOL! Remember Rich both you and mickysavage are compulsive liars when it comes to defending your useless Labour party.
Now produce evidence that the well known nym mickysavage is his real name or admit for once in your useless life that you've lied so you can make yourself look even lower than the shit house rat we all know you to be!
Come out from under your rock Rich! Once again your avoiding questions that you know will only highlight what a lying, hypocritical fucking imbecile you are!
Rich80105
2021-09-09 19:48:52 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 20:40:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by Rich80105
https://thestandard.org.nz/until-all-of-us-are-safe-none-of-us-are-safe/
All of us are not safe from all sorts of things from influenza to lightning strikes to the common cold.
Mickey Savage doesn't seem to have got it through his thick skull that there's no elimination without permanent isolation from the rest of the world...
That is of course not entirely true - it is similar to the risk of
driving on our roads; we can never know if another driver will cross
acentre line and kill us, but we take that risk. The answer is not to
try and eliminate all risk, but to manage what we do with knowledge of
our current situation. At present we are achieving a high level of
elimination within our borders - I suspect JohnO is getting confused
with eradication of Covid altogether - that is not likely to be
quickly. Even 100% vaccination will not achieve elimination alone - it
does not give 100% immunity, but it is likely to substantially reduce
infection rates, and to also substantially reduce the severity of such
infections as still occur.
Vaccination for Covid 19 doesn't give ANY immunity you moron! It only makes the symptoms less severe. Suggest you read less bullshit from thestranded and your ever more useless government and look for better sources from those who do know about it!
The lower rate of infection for those vaccinated is called partial
immunity. The chance of ending up in hospital with covid is much more
likely for those vaccinated than for those who have not been
vaccinated.
Again you demonstrate why you get no respect Rich! If you're vaccinated it doesn't stop you getting covid 19 it just makes the onset less severe. ONLY severe case go to hospital so even though in one way your right (though how someone as left as you could be is a mystery to all) but in all respects your left/wrong because your argument makes even less sense than your usual attempts to support your government!
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
The concept of herd immunity is not talked about much anymore - Delta
has shown that a small number of contacts can spread quickly,
especially to anyone not yet vaccinated.
The trouble Rich is Covid can even spread to those vaccinated. A fact you, your useless government and the imbecilic left wing studiously ignore!
For Covid to spread in our community there must be at least one
infectd person inteh community. Once we are all vaccinated the rate of
ransmission of nfection is lowered, but not reduced to zero. We do not
yet know what level of vaccination, if any, will give us at least
partial "herd immunity." That is important for deciding when
restrictions on entry can be even slightly relaxed.
What a badly spelled piece of bullshit Rich! FFS! Your government is already getting a booster vaccine set up! So this bullshit is just typical of you and just a variation on your usual Labour left, National right :)
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
It is therefore important that we do not have sections of our
population who are slow to get vaccinated for whatever reason, and if
that takes priority at a particular location then that does not
interfere with other locations. The statistics are clear - we needed
to try other avenues to get Maori and Pacific populations to better
understand the need to get vaccinated.
What avenues would you suggest? Maybe send vaccine teams to every Maori and Pacifica household to vaccinate them.
An organisation specialising in providing help to the Maori community
tried to give priority to their own people - an idiot MP tried to make
that an invitation to others to attend - we may have different
opinions on whether that was an attempt at deliberate sabotage.
BULLSHIT to your claim against Seymour! The organisation failed in it's efforts to practice what is in all respects a racist approach to the problem! And you haven't answered my question1 Typical of you when you doný have a solution to the problem you're vainly defending!
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
National will be pleased at this mis-step by Seymour; his explanation
appeared to confuse different issues. It may lead to the next poll not
showing further support for ACT to the detriment of National - but it
is unlikely to attract support from Maori, Green or Labour parties.
The misstep was the lefty racists throwing a fir at Seymour Rich. AND you fucking know it!
Post by Rich80105
Read the link above - his attempt to justify the publication was known
when that was written.
So what? Seymour made more sense than your hero Micky Savage who hasn't got the balls to stand up and be identified! He's another coward like you Rich hiding behind a nym!
On what basis do you think Micky Savage is not a real name? Is John
Bowes your real name? Do we care?
For the simple fact that you and mickysavage use false names to hide your true names. Probably in your case because it hides your membership of the new Zealand Communist party or a position in the FOL! Remember Rich both you and mickysavage are compulsive liars when it comes to defending your useless Labour party.
Now produce evidence that the well known nym mickysavage is his real name or admit for once in your useless life that you've lied so you can make yourself look even lower than the shit house rat we all know you to be!
Come out from under your rock Rich! Once again your avoiding questions that you know will only highlight what a lying, hypocritical fucking imbecile you are!
I asked:
On what basis do you think Micky Savage is not a real name? Is John
Bowes your real name? Do we care?

You clearly have no evidence either way regarding whether the name
Micky Savage is a real name, just as I have no idea whether your
current posting name of John Bowes is real or not.

Get a life, John Bowes . . .
John Bowes
2021-09-09 21:10:03 UTC
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2021 03:35:59 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 20:40:07 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by Rich80105
https://thestandard.org.nz/until-all-of-us-are-safe-none-of-us-are-safe/
All of us are not safe from all sorts of things from influenza to lightning strikes to the common cold.
Mickey Savage doesn't seem to have got it through his thick skull that there's no elimination without permanent isolation from the rest of the world...
That is of course not entirely true - it is similar to the risk of
driving on our roads; we can never know if another driver will cross
acentre line and kill us, but we take that risk. The answer is not to
try and eliminate all risk, but to manage what we do with knowledge of
our current situation. At present we are achieving a high level of
elimination within our borders - I suspect JohnO is getting confused
with eradication of Covid altogether - that is not likely to be
quickly. Even 100% vaccination will not achieve elimination alone - it
does not give 100% immunity, but it is likely to substantially reduce
infection rates, and to also substantially reduce the severity of such
infections as still occur.
Vaccination for Covid 19 doesn't give ANY immunity you moron! It only makes the symptoms less severe. Suggest you read less bullshit from thestranded and your ever more useless government and look for better sources from those who do know about it!
The lower rate of infection for those vaccinated is called partial
immunity. The chance of ending up in hospital with covid is much more
likely for those vaccinated than for those who have not been
vaccinated.
Again you demonstrate why you get no respect Rich! If you're vaccinated it doesn't stop you getting covid 19 it just makes the onset less severe. ONLY severe case go to hospital so even though in one way your right (though how someone as left as you could be is a mystery to all) but in all respects your left/wrong because your argument makes even less sense than your usual attempts to support your government!
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
The concept of herd immunity is not talked about much anymore - Delta
has shown that a small number of contacts can spread quickly,
especially to anyone not yet vaccinated.
The trouble Rich is Covid can even spread to those vaccinated. A fact you, your useless government and the imbecilic left wing studiously ignore!
For Covid to spread in our community there must be at least one
infectd person inteh community. Once we are all vaccinated the rate of
ransmission of nfection is lowered, but not reduced to zero. We do not
yet know what level of vaccination, if any, will give us at least
partial "herd immunity." That is important for deciding when
restrictions on entry can be even slightly relaxed.
What a badly spelled piece of bullshit Rich! FFS! Your government is already getting a booster vaccine set up! So this bullshit is just typical of you and just a variation on your usual Labour left, National right :)
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
It is therefore important that we do not have sections of our
population who are slow to get vaccinated for whatever reason, and if
that takes priority at a particular location then that does not
interfere with other locations. The statistics are clear - we needed
to try other avenues to get Maori and Pacific populations to better
understand the need to get vaccinated.
What avenues would you suggest? Maybe send vaccine teams to every Maori and Pacifica household to vaccinate them.
An organisation specialising in providing help to the Maori community
tried to give priority to their own people - an idiot MP tried to make
that an invitation to others to attend - we may have different
opinions on whether that was an attempt at deliberate sabotage.
BULLSHIT to your claim against Seymour! The organisation failed in it's efforts to practice what is in all respects a racist approach to the problem! And you haven't answered my question1 Typical of you when you donı have a solution to the problem you're vainly defending!
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
National will be pleased at this mis-step by Seymour; his explanation
appeared to confuse different issues. It may lead to the next poll not
showing further support for ACT to the detriment of National - but it
is unlikely to attract support from Maori, Green or Labour parties.
The misstep was the lefty racists throwing a fir at Seymour Rich. AND you fucking know it!
Post by Rich80105
Read the link above - his attempt to justify the publication was known
when that was written.
So what? Seymour made more sense than your hero Micky Savage who hasn't got the balls to stand up and be identified! He's another coward like you Rich hiding behind a nym!
On what basis do you think Micky Savage is not a real name? Is John
Bowes your real name? Do we care?
For the simple fact that you and mickysavage use false names to hide your true names. Probably in your case because it hides your membership of the new Zealand Communist party or a position in the FOL! Remember Rich both you and mickysavage are compulsive liars when it comes to defending your useless Labour party.
Now produce evidence that the well known nym mickysavage is his real name or admit for once in your useless life that you've lied so you can make yourself look even lower than the shit house rat we all know you to be!
Come out from under your rock Rich! Once again your avoiding questions that you know will only highlight what a lying, hypocritical fucking imbecile you are!
On what basis do you think Micky Savage is not a real name? Is John
Bowes your real name? Do we care?
You clearly have no evidence either way regarding whether the name
Micky Savage is a real name, just as I have no idea whether your
current posting name of John Bowes is real or not.
Get a life, John Bowes . . .
Try following your own advice for once in your useless life Rich!
You make me laugh the way you carry on about us having to show you respect then behave in the exact manner you cry about. Will you ever get respect anywhere you useless Marxist muppet?
Gordon
2021-09-10 02:20:07 UTC
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On 2021-09-09, Rich80105 <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Post by Rich80105
On what basis do you think Micky Savage is not a real name? Is John
Bowes your real name? Do we care?
You clearly have no evidence either way regarding whether the name
Micky Savage is a real name, just as I have no idea whether your
current posting name of John Bowes is real or not.
Get a life, John Bowes . . .
Well we have

https://thestandard.org.nz/author/mickysavage/

https://en-gb.facebook.com/public/John-Bowes

BTW there are other John Bowes have died.
George Black
2021-09-10 19:53:13 UTC
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[Snip]
Post by Rich80105
On what basis do you think Micky Savage is not a real name? Is John
Bowes your real name? Do we care?
You clearly have no evidence either way regarding whether the name
Micky Savage is a real name, just as I have no idea whether your
current posting name of John Bowes is real or not.
Get a life, John Bowes . . .
Well we have
https://thestandard.org.nz/author/mickysavage/
https://en-gb.facebook.com/public/John-Bowes
BTW there are other John Bowes have died.
And fortunately one remains alive and posts here
And wasn't Bowes the maiden name of the Queen Mother ???
:)
Rich80105
2021-09-10 20:41:14 UTC
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Post by Gordon
[Snip]
Post by Rich80105
On what basis do you think Micky Savage is not a real name? Is John
Bowes your real name? Do we care?
You clearly have no evidence either way regarding whether the name
Micky Savage is a real name, just as I have no idea whether your
current posting name of John Bowes is real or not.
Get a life, John Bowes . . .
Well we have
https://thestandard.org.nz/author/mickysavage/
https://en-gb.facebook.com/public/John-Bowes
BTW there are other John Bowes have died.
And fortunately one remains alive and posts here
And wasn't Bowes the maiden name of the Queen Mother ???
:)
Actually her name was Bowes-Lyon, but nice try.

The name George is of course also a well-known Royal name - perhaps
your noble tolerance for the "John Bowes" who posts to nz.general
denotes a sign of royal tgrace on your part, George?
John Bowes
2021-09-11 07:39:29 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by George Black
Post by Gordon
[Snip]
Post by Rich80105
On what basis do you think Micky Savage is not a real name? Is John
Bowes your real name? Do we care?
You clearly have no evidence either way regarding whether the name
Micky Savage is a real name, just as I have no idea whether your
current posting name of John Bowes is real or not.
Get a life, John Bowes . . .
Well we have
https://thestandard.org.nz/author/mickysavage/
https://en-gb.facebook.com/public/John-Bowes
BTW there are other John Bowes have died.
And fortunately one remains alive and posts here
And wasn't Bowes the maiden name of the Queen Mother ???
:)
Actually her name was Bowes-Lyon, but nice try.
The name George is of course also a well-known Royal name - perhaps
your noble tolerance for the "John Bowes" who posts to nz.general
denotes a sign of royal tgrace on your part, George?
You just can't help being a fucking imbecile can you Rich? don't answer that we all know it's all you are Rich :)
btw where do you think bowes-Lyon originated dumbo?
James Christophers
2021-09-11 08:24:55 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by George Black
Post by Gordon
[Snip]
Post by Rich80105
On what basis do you think Micky Savage is not a real name? Is John
Bowes your real name? Do we care?
You clearly have no evidence either way regarding whether the name
Micky Savage is a real name, just as I have no idea whether your
current posting name of John Bowes is real or not.
Get a life, John Bowes . . .
Well we have
https://thestandard.org.nz/author/mickysavage/
https://en-gb.facebook.com/public/John-Bowes
BTW there are other John Bowes have died.
And fortunately one remains alive and posts here
And wasn't Bowes the maiden name of the Queen Mother ???
:)
Actually her name was Bowes-Lyon, but nice try.
The name George is of course also a well-known Royal name - perhaps
your noble tolerance for the "John Bowes" who posts to nz.general
denotes a sign of royal tgrace on your part, George?
You just can't help being a fucking imbecile can you Rich? don't answer that we all know it's all you are Rich :)
btw where do you think bowes-Lyon originated dumbo?
Bowes is from British nobility of distant royal descent going back centuries - being but one of many bastard strains that resulted in a line of congenitally enfeebled offspring and their descendants, many of whom are said to be still around to this day.
John Bowes
2021-09-11 20:09:52 UTC
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Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by George Black
Post by Gordon
[Snip]
Post by Rich80105
On what basis do you think Micky Savage is not a real name? Is John
Bowes your real name? Do we care?
You clearly have no evidence either way regarding whether the name
Micky Savage is a real name, just as I have no idea whether your
current posting name of John Bowes is real or not.
Get a life, John Bowes . . .
Well we have
https://thestandard.org.nz/author/mickysavage/
https://en-gb.facebook.com/public/John-Bowes
BTW there are other John Bowes have died.
And fortunately one remains alive and posts here
And wasn't Bowes the maiden name of the Queen Mother ???
:)
Actually her name was Bowes-Lyon, but nice try.
The name George is of course also a well-known Royal name - perhaps
your noble tolerance for the "John Bowes" who posts to nz.general
denotes a sign of royal tgrace on your part, George?
You just can't help being a fucking imbecile can you Rich? don't answer that we all know it's all you are Rich :)
btw where do you think bowes-Lyon originated dumbo?
Bowes is from British nobility of distant royal descent going back centuries - being but one of many bastard strains that resulted in a line of congenitally enfeebled offspring and their descendants, many of whom are said to be still around to this day.
Description sounds very much like you Keith :)
George Black
2021-09-11 20:12:17 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by George Black
Post by Gordon
[Snip]
Post by Rich80105
On what basis do you think Micky Savage is not a real name? Is John
Bowes your real name? Do we care?
You clearly have no evidence either way regarding whether the name
Micky Savage is a real name, just as I have no idea whether your
current posting name of John Bowes is real or not.
Get a life, John Bowes . . .
Well we have
https://thestandard.org.nz/author/mickysavage/
https://en-gb.facebook.com/public/John-Bowes
BTW there are other John Bowes have died.
And fortunately one remains alive and posts here
And wasn't Bowes the maiden name of the Queen Mother ???
:)
Actually her name was Bowes-Lyon, but nice try.
The name George is of course also a well-known Royal name - perhaps
your noble tolerance for the "John Bowes" who posts to nz.general
denotes a sign of royal tgrace on your part, George?
You just can't help being a fucking imbecile can you Rich? don't answer that we all know it's all you are Rich :)
btw where do you think bowes-Lyon originated dumbo?
Well, I'd suspect from a marriage something riches parents are yet to enjoy
John Bowes
2021-09-11 07:39:57 UTC
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Post by Gordon
[Snip]
Post by Rich80105
On what basis do you think Micky Savage is not a real name? Is John
Bowes your real name? Do we care?
You clearly have no evidence either way regarding whether the name
Micky Savage is a real name, just as I have no idea whether your
current posting name of John Bowes is real or not.
Get a life, John Bowes . . .
Well we have
https://thestandard.org.nz/author/mickysavage/
https://en-gb.facebook.com/public/John-Bowes
BTW there are other John Bowes have died.
And fortunately one remains alive and posts here
And wasn't Bowes the maiden name of the Queen Mother ???
:)
Probably her mother ;)
Gordon
2021-09-10 02:11:43 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
For Covid to spread in our community there must be at least one
infectd person inteh community. Once we are all vaccinated the rate of
ransmission of nfection is lowered, but not reduced to zero. We do not
yet know what level of vaccination, if any, will give us at least
partial "herd immunity." That is important for deciding when
restrictions on entry can be even slightly relaxed.
What a badly spelled piece of bullshit Rich! FFS!
Your government is already getting a booster vaccine set up! So this
bullshit is just typical of you and just a variation on your usual
Labour left, National right :)
The piece might have some spelling mistakes/typos but it is to the
point and factual.

No the extra supply of vaccines are in response to another matter. One of
that the vaccination rate has at last hit rates which should have been aimed
for from day 1, not in response to a Delta outbreak. The extra doses will
enable this higher rate to be maintained.
Gordon
2021-09-09 05:44:20 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
An organisation specialising in providing help to the Maori community
tried to give priority to their own people - an idiot MP tried to make
that an invitation to others to attend - we may have different
opinions on whether that was an attempt at deliberate sabotage.
You see while this was very well meaning it is all wrong, apart from the
intentions.

First: Covid is moving through the human population

Second: Some minor groups in the community are falling behind in the
vaccination rates

Third: Vaccination of all humans, older than 12, is the aim.

Giving anyone a piority code straight away creates a "us" and "them"
situation.

What should, and needs to be done is for a operation/system which gets the
reluctant ones to the vaccination point.

It is a bit like the blacks voting in the USA. There is a grounds root
effort to get them to the polls or mail in. (While the GOP folks put
barriers in the way).
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
National will be pleased at this mis-step by Seymour; his explanation
appeared to confuse different issues. It may lead to the next poll not
showing further support for ACT to the detriment of National - but it
is unlikely to attract support from Maori, Green or Labour parties.
The misstep was the lefty racists throwing a fir at Seymour Rich. AND you fucking know it!
Post by Rich80105
Read the link above - his attempt to justify the publication was known
when that was written.
So what? Seymour made more sense than your hero Micky Savage who hasn't got the balls to stand up and be identified! He's another coward like you Rich hiding behind a nym!
On what basis do you think Micky Savage is not a real name? Is John
Bowes your real name? Do we care?
Tony
2021-09-09 07:13:49 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Post by Rich80105
An organisation specialising in providing help to the Maori community
tried to give priority to their own people - an idiot MP tried to make
that an invitation to others to attend - we may have different
opinions on whether that was an attempt at deliberate sabotage.
You see while this was very well meaning it is all wrong, apart from the
intentions.
First: Covid is moving through the human population
Second: Some minor groups in the community are falling behind in the
vaccination rates
Third: Vaccination of all humans, older than 12, is the aim.
Giving anyone a piority code straight away creates a "us" and "them"
situation.
What should, and needs to be done is for a operation/system which gets the
reluctant ones to the vaccination point.
Gordon, well done. Rich will never countenance logic like that.
But right thinking people will.
Post by Gordon
It is a bit like the blacks voting in the USA. There is a grounds root
effort to get them to the polls or mail in. (While the GOP folks put
barriers in the way).
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
National will be pleased at this mis-step by Seymour; his explanation
appeared to confuse different issues. It may lead to the next poll not
showing further support for ACT to the detriment of National - but it
is unlikely to attract support from Maori, Green or Labour parties.
The misstep was the lefty racists throwing a fir at Seymour Rich. AND you
fucking know it!
Post by Rich80105
Read the link above - his attempt to justify the publication was known
when that was written.
So what? Seymour made more sense than your hero Micky Savage who hasn't got
the balls to stand up and be identified! He's another coward like you Rich
hiding behind a nym!
On what basis do you think Micky Savage is not a real name? Is John
Bowes your real name? Do we care?
Rich80105
2021-09-09 09:36:16 UTC
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 02:13:49 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Gordon
Post by Rich80105
An organisation specialising in providing help to the Maori community
tried to give priority to their own people - an idiot MP tried to make
that an invitation to others to attend - we may have different
opinions on whether that was an attempt at deliberate sabotage.
You see while this was very well meaning it is all wrong, apart from the
intentions.
First: Covid is moving through the human population
Second: Some minor groups in the community are falling behind in the
vaccination rates
Third: Vaccination of all humans, older than 12, is the aim.
Giving anyone a piority code straight away creates a "us" and "them"
situation.
What should, and needs to be done is for a operation/system which gets the
reluctant ones to the vaccination point.
Gordon, well done. Rich will never countenance logic like that.
But right thinking people will.
On the contrary, I agree with Gordon. That is exactly what the
organisation was doing - and which Seymour tried to sabotage. Simple
really.
Post by Tony
Post by Gordon
It is a bit like the blacks voting in the USA. There is a grounds root
effort to get them to the polls or mail in. (While the GOP folks put
barriers in the way).
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
National will be pleased at this mis-step by Seymour; his explanation
appeared to confuse different issues. It may lead to the next poll not
showing further support for ACT to the detriment of National - but it
is unlikely to attract support from Maori, Green or Labour parties.
The misstep was the lefty racists throwing a fir at Seymour Rich. AND you
fucking know it!
Post by Rich80105
Read the link above - his attempt to justify the publication was known
when that was written.
So what? Seymour made more sense than your hero Micky Savage who hasn't got
the balls to stand up and be identified! He's another coward like you Rich
hiding behind a nym!
On what basis do you think Micky Savage is not a real name? Is John
Bowes your real name? Do we care?
John Bowes
2021-09-09 10:34:20 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 02:13:49 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Gordon
Post by Rich80105
An organisation specialising in providing help to the Maori community
tried to give priority to their own people - an idiot MP tried to make
that an invitation to others to attend - we may have different
opinions on whether that was an attempt at deliberate sabotage.
You see while this was very well meaning it is all wrong, apart from the
intentions.
First: Covid is moving through the human population
Second: Some minor groups in the community are falling behind in the
vaccination rates
Third: Vaccination of all humans, older than 12, is the aim.
Giving anyone a piority code straight away creates a "us" and "them"
situation.
What should, and needs to be done is for a operation/system which gets the
reluctant ones to the vaccination point.
Gordon, well done. Rich will never countenance logic like that.
But right thinking people will.
On the contrary, I agree with Gordon. That is exactly what the
organisation was doing - and which Seymour tried to sabotage. Simple
really.
Typical bullshit from a racist fucking imbecile!
Tony
2021-09-09 20:39:46 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 02:13:49 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Gordon
Post by Rich80105
An organisation specialising in providing help to the Maori community
tried to give priority to their own people - an idiot MP tried to make
that an invitation to others to attend - we may have different
opinions on whether that was an attempt at deliberate sabotage.
You see while this was very well meaning it is all wrong, apart from the
intentions.
First: Covid is moving through the human population
Second: Some minor groups in the community are falling behind in the
vaccination rates
Third: Vaccination of all humans, older than 12, is the aim.
Giving anyone a piority code straight away creates a "us" and "them"
situation.
What should, and needs to be done is for a operation/system which gets the
reluctant ones to the vaccination point.
Gordon, well done. Rich will never countenance logic like that.
But right thinking people will.
On the contrary, I agree with Gordon. That is exactly what the
organisation was doing - and which Seymour tried to sabotage. Simple
really.
Indeed you are simple.
You can agree with whoever you want, doesn't make you correct.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Gordon
It is a bit like the blacks voting in the USA. There is a grounds root
effort to get them to the polls or mail in. (While the GOP folks put
barriers in the way).
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
National will be pleased at this mis-step by Seymour; his explanation
appeared to confuse different issues. It may lead to the next poll not
showing further support for ACT to the detriment of National - but it
is unlikely to attract support from Maori, Green or Labour parties.
The misstep was the lefty racists throwing a fir at Seymour Rich. AND you
fucking know it!
Post by Rich80105
Read the link above - his attempt to justify the publication was known
when that was written.
So what? Seymour made more sense than your hero Micky Savage who hasn't got
the balls to stand up and be identified! He's another coward like you Rich
hiding behind a nym!
On what basis do you think Micky Savage is not a real name? Is John
Bowes your real name? Do we care?
BR
2021-09-09 17:29:22 UTC
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Post by Gordon
What should, and needs to be done is for a operation/system which gets the
reluctant ones to the vaccination point.
Nobody should be forced to have a vaccination, and indeed nobody
should be required to disclose whether or not they have had a
vaccination.

Bill.
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Rich80105
2021-09-09 20:05:31 UTC
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Post by BR
Post by Gordon
What should, and needs to be done is for a operation/system which gets the
reluctant ones to the vaccination point.
Nobody should be forced to have a vaccination, and indeed nobody
should be required to disclose whether or not they have had a
vaccination.
Bill.
There are some jobs where a vaccination is likely to be required. Some
people will have medical advice not to have the vaccination. Some
countries require a vaccination certificate to travel, and more will
require a negative test for Covid before entry to a country. Beyond
that we are into politics, where the split between those that agree
with you and those that do not may not be the people any of us expect.
In theory we could expect National to be slightly keener on a
requierment to disclose than Labour, and the ACT and Green parties to
agree with your position, but in reality National and ACT may have
more an eye for what will attract votes than whatever they would do if
they were in Government.
John Bowes
2021-09-09 21:12:09 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by BR
Post by Gordon
What should, and needs to be done is for a operation/system which gets the
reluctant ones to the vaccination point.
Nobody should be forced to have a vaccination, and indeed nobody
should be required to disclose whether or not they have had a
vaccination.
Bill.
There are some jobs where a vaccination is likely to be required. Some
people will have medical advice not to have the vaccination. Some
countries require a vaccination certificate to travel, and more will
require a negative test for Covid before entry to a country. Beyond
that we are into politics, where the split between those that agree
with you and those that do not may not be the people any of us expect.
In theory we could expect National to be slightly keener on a
requierment to disclose than Labour, and the ACT and Green parties to
agree with your position, but in reality National and ACT may have
more an eye for what will attract votes than whatever they would do if
they were in Government.
And your lyi8ng and hypocritic leader isn't looking at the next election and praying the electorate will forgive her the monumental fuckup that Labour is?
Gordon
2021-09-09 05:30:29 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by Rich80105
https://thestandard.org.nz/until-all-of-us-are-safe-none-of-us-are-safe/
All of us are not safe from all sorts of things from influenza to lightning strikes to the common cold.
Mickey Savage doesn't seem to have got it through his thick skull that there's no elimination without permanent isolation from the rest of the world...
That is of course not entirely true - it is similar to the risk of
driving on our roads; we can never know if another driver will cross
acentre line and kill us, but we take that risk. The answer is not to
try and eliminate all risk, but to manage what we do with knowledge of
our current situation. At present we are achieving a high level of
elimination within our borders - I suspect JohnO is getting confused
with eradication of Covid altogether - that is not likely to be
quickly. Even 100% vaccination will not achieve elimination alone - it
does not give 100% immunity, but it is likely to substantially reduce
infection rates, and to also substantially reduce the severity of such
infections as still occur.
Vaccination for Covid 19 doesn't give ANY immunity you moron! It only makes the symptoms less severe. Suggest you read less bullshit from thestranded and your ever more useless government and look for better sources from those who do know about it!
It does some/alot immunity as if one catches it one will not get it as badly
as if one is unvacanated. Surely?
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
The concept of herd immunity is not talked about much anymore - Delta
has shown that a small number of contacts can spread quickly,
especially to anyone not yet vaccinated.
The trouble Rich is Covid can even spread to those vaccinated. A fact you, your useless government and the imbecilic left wing studiously ignore!
These are the so called break through cases.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
It is therefore important that we do not have sections of our
population who are slow to get vaccinated for whatever reason, and if
that takes priority at a particular location then that does not
interfere with other locations. The statistics are clear - we needed
to try other avenues to get Maori and Pacific populations to better
understand the need to get vaccinated.
What avenues would you suggest? Maybe send vaccine teams to every Maori and Pacifica household to vaccinate them.
If that is what it takes. Well at least make it easy for them to be
vaccinated.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
National will be pleased at this mis-step by Seymour; his explanation
appeared to confuse different issues. It may lead to the next poll not
showing further support for ACT to the detriment of National - but it
is unlikely to attract support from Maori, Green or Labour parties.
The misstep was the lefty racists throwing a fir at Seymour Rich. AND you fucking know it!
If they had remained silent, Seymour would not have the oppotunity to lob
some bombs at the Goverment and further his cause.

The issue is that some do not know it, because it came from ACT. Tisk tisk!
John Bowes
2021-09-09 07:21:53 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by Rich80105
https://thestandard.org.nz/until-all-of-us-are-safe-none-of-us-are-safe/
All of us are not safe from all sorts of things from influenza to lightning strikes to the common cold.
Mickey Savage doesn't seem to have got it through his thick skull that there's no elimination without permanent isolation from the rest of the world...
That is of course not entirely true - it is similar to the risk of
driving on our roads; we can never know if another driver will cross
acentre line and kill us, but we take that risk. The answer is not to
try and eliminate all risk, but to manage what we do with knowledge of
our current situation. At present we are achieving a high level of
elimination within our borders - I suspect JohnO is getting confused
with eradication of Covid altogether - that is not likely to be
quickly. Even 100% vaccination will not achieve elimination alone - it
does not give 100% immunity, but it is likely to substantially reduce
infection rates, and to also substantially reduce the severity of such
infections as still occur.
Vaccination for Covid 19 doesn't give ANY immunity you moron! It only makes the symptoms less severe. Suggest you read less bullshit from thestranded and your ever more useless government and look for better sources from those who do know about it!
It does some/alot immunity as if one catches it one will not get it as badly
as if one is unvacanated. Surely?
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
The concept of herd immunity is not talked about much anymore - Delta
has shown that a small number of contacts can spread quickly,
especially to anyone not yet vaccinated.
The trouble Rich is Covid can even spread to those vaccinated. A fact you, your useless government and the imbecilic left wing studiously ignore!
These are the so called break through cases.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
It is therefore important that we do not have sections of our
population who are slow to get vaccinated for whatever reason, and if
that takes priority at a particular location then that does not
interfere with other locations. The statistics are clear - we needed
to try other avenues to get Maori and Pacific populations to better
understand the need to get vaccinated.
What avenues would you suggest? Maybe send vaccine teams to every Maori and Pacifica household to vaccinate them.
If that is what it takes. Well at least make it easy for them to be
vaccinated.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
National will be pleased at this mis-step by Seymour; his explanation
appeared to confuse different issues. It may lead to the next poll not
showing further support for ACT to the detriment of National - but it
is unlikely to attract support from Maori, Green or Labour parties.
The misstep was the lefty racists throwing a fir at Seymour Rich. AND you fucking know it!
If they had remained silent, Seymour would not have the oppotunity to lob
some bombs at the Goverment and further his cause.
The issue is that some do not know it, because it came from ACT. Tisk tisk!
The issue is that this government considers they have a right to dictate what THEY want. Their is nothing done with suggestions from the opposition no matter how good they are!
James Christophers
2021-09-09 03:40:43 UTC
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(large snip)
Post by Rich80105
National will be pleased at this mis-step by Seymour;
Possibly, but I doubt they have the time to do so, since they are already way too busy contriving and delivering mis-steps of their own.
Post by Rich80105
his explanation appeared to confuse different issues.
Not so surprising.

Those who have no trouble recognising what people like Seymour really stand for know him to be the archetypal example of a sententious, self-absolving casuist and hypocrite of the first water. And those who do, but lack the honesty to admit it, identify themselves as the wilfully deaf and blind.[1]

(snip)

[1] Early on in the piece, at least one report had it that Seymour's little excursion into twit-land had received not one single retweet from any of his followers. So there's loyalty and conviction for you!
John Bowes
2021-09-09 03:44:35 UTC
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(large snip)
Post by Rich80105
National will be pleased at this mis-step by Seymour;
Possibly, but I doubt they have the time to do so, since they are already way too busy contriving and delivering mis-steps of their own.
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his explanation appeared to confuse different issues.
Not so surprising.
Those who have no trouble recognising what people like Seymour really stand for know him to be the archetypal example of a sententious, self-absolving casuist and hypocrite of the first water. And those who do, but lack the honesty to admit it, identify themselves as the wilfully deaf and blind.[1]
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[1] Early on in the piece, at least one report had it that Seymour's little excursion into twit-land had received not one single retweet from any of his followers. So there's loyalty and conviction for you!
Careful Keith your well known stupid bias is showing yet again! It's almost you're following Rich's lead and seeing your own shortcomings in others :)
Gordon
2021-09-09 05:16:31 UTC
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https://thestandard.org.nz/until-all-of-us-are-safe-none-of-us-are-safe/
All of us are not safe from all sorts of things from influenza to lightning strikes to the common cold.
Mickey Savage doesn't seem to have got it through his thick skull that there's no elimination without permanent isolation from the rest of the world...
That is of course not entirely true - it is similar to the risk of
driving on our roads; we can never know if another driver will cross
acentre line and kill us, but we take that risk. The answer is not to
try and eliminate all risk, but to manage what we do with knowledge of
our current situation. At present we are achieving a high level of
elimination within our borders - I suspect JohnO is getting confused
with eradication of Covid altogether - that is not likely to be
quickly. Even 100% vaccination will not achieve elimination alone - it
does not give 100% immunity, but it is likely to substantially reduce
infection rates, and to also substantially reduce the severity of such
infections as still occur.
Based on UK, and Israel on a per capita bases NZ is going to have 50 +- deaths
a week after the vaccination is done and dusted. I think we can exclude USA.

Of course A/NZ is not the UK, or Israel or Oz even.

Never the less there will be casualities just the same as we road deaths and
600+ suicides per year in A/NZ.

Covid will be an illness which causes the weak and frail (elderly) to die in
much the same way as the flu does.
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The concept of herd immunity is not talked about much anymore - Delta
has shown that a small number of contacts can spread quickly,
especially to anyone not yet vaccinated.
It is therefore important that we do not have sections of our
population who are slow to get vaccinated for whatever reason, and if
that takes priority at a particular location then that does not
interfere with other locations. The statistics are clear - we needed
to try other avenues to get Maori and Pacific populations to better
understand the need to get vaccinated.
This point was raised Way back, it was when some were pointing out that the
1pm sessions were not getting the message through to all Kiwis.

The Government has had a very narrow vision of what they
need to do, that they have not seen other oppotunites.
Still a Government is a big lumbering beast, which is a handicap.
Post by Rich80105
National will be pleased at this mis-step by Seymour; his explanation
appeared to confuse different issues.
To some maybe.

To me Seymour's explanation as crystal clear.
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It may lead to the next poll not
showing further support for ACT to the detriment of National - but it
is unlikely to attract support from Maori, Green or Labour parties.
It may also be a detriment to all other parties.
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Read the link above - his attempt to justify the publication was known
when that was written.
No attempt needed. He explained how the present Government has missed on
many counts.
Tony
2021-09-09 05:30:52 UTC
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https://thestandard.org.nz/until-all-of-us-are-safe-none-of-us-are-safe/
All of us are not safe from all sorts of things from influenza to lightning
strikes to the common cold.
Mickey Savage doesn't seem to have got it through his thick skull that
there's no elimination without permanent isolation from the rest of the world...
That is of course not entirely true - it is similar to the risk of
driving on our roads; we can never know if another driver will cross
acentre line and kill us, but we take that risk. The answer is not to
try and eliminate all risk, but to manage what we do with knowledge of
our current situation. At present we are achieving a high level of
elimination within our borders - I suspect JohnO is getting confused
with eradication of Covid altogether - that is not likely to be
quickly. Even 100% vaccination will not achieve elimination alone - it
does not give 100% immunity, but it is likely to substantially reduce
infection rates, and to also substantially reduce the severity of such
infections as still occur.
Based on UK, and Israel on a per capita bases NZ is going to have 50 +- deaths
a week after the vaccination is done and dusted. I think we can exclude USA.
Of course A/NZ is not the UK, or Israel or Oz even.
Never the less there will be casualities just the same as we road deaths and
600+ suicides per year in A/NZ.
Covid will be an illness which causes the weak and frail (elderly) to die in
much the same way as the flu does.
Post by Rich80105
The concept of herd immunity is not talked about much anymore - Delta
has shown that a small number of contacts can spread quickly,
especially to anyone not yet vaccinated.
It is therefore important that we do not have sections of our
population who are slow to get vaccinated for whatever reason, and if
that takes priority at a particular location then that does not
interfere with other locations. The statistics are clear - we needed
to try other avenues to get Maori and Pacific populations to better
understand the need to get vaccinated.
This point was raised Way back, it was when some were pointing out that the
1pm sessions were not getting the message through to all Kiwis.
The Government has had a very narrow vision of what they
need to do, that they have not seen other oppotunites.
Still a Government is a big lumbering beast, which is a handicap.
Post by Rich80105
National will be pleased at this mis-step by Seymour; his explanation
appeared to confuse different issues.
To some maybe.
To me Seymour's explanation as crystal clear.
Not just clear but spot on, exactly whet you would expect from him. More
integrity that the entire government caucus combined. And I didn't vote for him
or his party.
Only the political dumbkompfs would not follow that.
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Post by Rich80105
It may lead to the next poll not
showing further support for ACT to the detriment of National - but it
is unlikely to attract support from Maori, Green or Labour parties.
It may also be a detriment to all other parties.
Post by Rich80105
Read the link above - his attempt to justify the publication was known
when that was written.
No attempt needed. He explained how the present Government has missed on
many counts.
George Black
2021-09-09 20:00:02 UTC
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This point was raised Way back, it was when some were pointing out that the
1pm sessions were not getting the message through to all Kiwis.
A pure propaganda program and like all propaganda, ignored.
Why does it take Cindy and acolytes up to an hour when the message is,
at most, five minutes including leading questions ?
And daily ???
FFS
Tony
2021-09-09 00:30:32 UTC
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https://thestandard.org.nz/until-all-of-us-are-safe-none-of-us-are-safe/
I considered it carefully. But it contains lies and innuendo that only the
Standard could believe in.
Overall it is trash.
John Bowes
2021-09-09 03:31:54 UTC
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https://thestandard.org.nz/until-all-of-us-are-safe-none-of-us-are-safe/
I considered it carefully. But it contains lies and innuendo that only the
Standard could believe in.
Overall it is trash.
Makes you wonder if Micky ain't just another of Richie's multiple personalities...
Tony
2021-09-09 03:39:42 UTC
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https://thestandard.org.nz/until-all-of-us-are-safe-none-of-us-are-safe/
I considered it carefully. But it contains lies and innuendo that only the
Standard could believe in.
Overall it is trash.
Makes you wonder if Micky ain't just another of Richie's multiple personalities...
Are you sure you don't mean Mickey, you know the little rodent?
John Bowes
2021-09-09 03:42:41 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
https://thestandard.org.nz/until-all-of-us-are-safe-none-of-us-are-safe/
I considered it carefully. But it contains lies and innuendo that only the
Standard could believe in.
Overall it is trash.
Makes you wonder if Micky ain't just another of Richie's multiple personalities...
Are you sure you don't mean Mickey, you know the little rodent?
Nah. Mickey may be a rodent but he's to bloody smart to believe Marxism/communism/Socialism will give us anything but poverty and misery!
The Micky is just a shithouse rat like Rich blindly dreaming of an impossible utopia run by the commissars!
Willy Nilly
2021-09-09 00:31:11 UTC
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https://thestandard.org.nz/until-all-of-us-are-safe-none-of-us-are-safe/
"He who gives up essential liberty for the sake of temporary security,
shall have neither." -- Benjamin Franklin
James Christophers
2021-09-09 00:45:10 UTC
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https://thestandard.org.nz/until-all-of-us-are-safe-none-of-us-are-safe/
"He who gives up essential liberty for the sake of temporary security,
shall have neither." -- Benjamin Franklin
"Qui s'excuse (Seymour), s'accuse", as in "Methinks she protests too much".
John Bowes
2021-09-09 07:34:56 UTC
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https://thestandard.org.nz/until-all-of-us-are-safe-none-of-us-are-safe/
Just another party political broadcast by mates of Ardern and Rich. Hardly worth worrying about because it'll toe the party line almost as religiously as Rich :)
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