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Gordon
2020-10-17 07:44:08 UTC
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Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.

Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.

So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?

Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?

I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
John Bowes
2020-10-17 08:34:48 UTC
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Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Rich80105
2020-10-17 08:43:45 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .

The country has turned away from the sor of nastiness that your posts
epitomise. Try a bit of kindness, John. The impact of Covid has been
huge, but the government kept the shocks to a minimum; they rightly
kept both business and workers going through the roller coaster , and
that will restrict progress on a number of issues for some time. The
rabble has been rejected, now the Team of 5 million just need to get
back to working hard for our common good.
John Bowes
2020-10-17 10:24:01 UTC
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:34:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
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Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich. I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......

<utter crap snipped>

Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!

The only consolation is Winston's gone!
Rich80105
2020-10-17 10:46:44 UTC
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:34:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
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Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers L:abour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
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The only consolation is Winston's gone!
John Bowes
2020-10-17 11:11:22 UTC
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:34:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
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Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
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Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers L:abour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
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Post by John Bowes
The only consolation is Winston's gone!
Rich80105
2020-10-17 21:44:16 UTC
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:34:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers L:abour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.

The win is beng welcomed overseas of course:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300135573/election-2020-how-the-world-reacted-to-jacinda-arderns-landslide-victory

Jacinda Ardern has said that she wants to work with other parties for
the benefit of all New Zealanders. abour and The Green Party do of
course share some policies already, but there are also a lot of
policies where National and Labour are substantially in agreement.
What many voters rejected was the almost rabid opposition to
everything that we saw from Bridges; Muller got early acclaim for
being more reasoned, but Judith Collins doubled down on the rabid
opposition to everything, accompanied by reminders of National's lies
and dirty tricks. She was of course just trying to retain the rump of
hard-core Nat supporters, but it will mean that she does not last as
leader of National.

Labour wants to govern for every New Zealander; I suspect they will
come to an arrangement with the Greens; Eugenie Sage was an excellent
Conservation Minister for example, and James Shaw did well with
Climate Change. See:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300135528/conservative-cautious-and-careful-labour-will-govern-from-the-centre

A new National leader may pick up a few clues from the success of ACT.
ACT's policies are extreme but he struck a chord with saying that they
would not just oppose but want to suggest policies for the benefit of
New Zealand. Some of those they will propose may not be welcomed -
loosening gun control for example - see this link from this morning:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/boy-3-dies-after-shooting-himself-with-gun-found-in-parents-room/3ZAZVTQOR4NE7Z3NBXNYLRIZF4/
- while that is not New Zealand, it is not the New Zealand we want to
be.
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The only consolation is Winston's gone!
Rumour says that Tuesday is the day for National's meeting; Brownlee
and Nick Smith will be encouraged to resign to bring in two from the
list; and Judith may well do the same; certainly there will be a
challenge forthe leadership. That could see Barbara Kuriger and Harete
Hipango coming in, and if others decided to go Jonathan Young and Tim
Macindoe in Parliament. Hardly inspiring, but there is no hope of
Brownlee or Smith being elected again; National would benefit from
fresh candidates.
John Bowes
2020-10-18 00:05:36 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
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Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers L:abour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
Post by Rich80105
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300135573/election-2020-how-the-world-reacted-to-jacinda-arderns-landslide-victory
The MSM are hell bent on supporting the left controlling the world. Stalin's dream is coming to fruition purely because the left control the MSM!
<further crap from the fucking imbecile Rich snipped>
James Christophers
2020-10-18 01:16:27 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers L:abour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
Post by Rich80105
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300135573/election-2020-how-the-world-reacted-to-jacinda-arderns-landslide-victory.
Editorially neutral, simply reporting on and quoting from actual events and personalities worldwide of whatever political stipe.
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The MSM are hell bent on supporting the left controlling the world. Stalin's dream is coming to fruition purely because the left control the MSM!
As an whingeing cradle-to-grave beneficiary of socialism's unstinting provision of education, employment and, latterly, superannuation, your demented post speaks only of your own grotesque hypocrisy writ large.

As for any suggested politicising of the MSM, here's Sinéad Boucher's 2016 submission to the NZ Commerce Commision when she was the then group editor for Fairfax NZ. It's a long read but worth every minute spent doing so since it precisely delineates and articulates the author's views, journalistic ideals and practices and longer-term concerns as applied to independent authorship in the production and public dissemination of news, commentary and opinion.

https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/77593/Sinead-Boucher-Submission-on-NZME-Fairfax-draft-determination-25-November-2016.PDF

Note: on 25 May this year, Boucher purchased Stuff for NZ$1.00. She deserves every thinking New Zealander's gratitude and support.
John Bowes
2020-10-18 06:22:21 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers L:abour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
Post by Rich80105
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300135573/election-2020-how-the-world-reacted-to-jacinda-arderns-landslide-victory.
Editorially neutral, simply reporting on and quoting from actual events and personalities worldwide of whatever political stipe.
BULLSHIT! From a serial bullshiter Keith :)
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Post by John Bowes
The MSM are hell bent on supporting the left controlling the world. Stalin's dream is coming to fruition purely because the left control the MSM!
As an whingeing cradle-to-grave beneficiary of socialism's unstinting provision of education, employment and, latterly, superannuation, your demented post speaks only of your own grotesque hypocrisy writ large.
Yet more highly coloured and biased crap from the king of crap! The only difference between you and Rich Keith is you use longer words and make fewer spelling mistakes. Despite your own hypocritical belief in your superiority your words fit you to perfection!
Post by James Christophers
As for any suggested politicising of the MSM, here's Sinéad Boucher's 2016 submission to the NZ Commerce Commision when she was the then group editor for Fairfax NZ. It's a long read but worth every minute spent doing so since it precisely delineates and articulates the author's views, journalistic ideals and practices and longer-term concerns as applied to independent authorship in the production and public dissemination of news, commentary and opinion.
https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/77593/Sinead-Boucher-Submission-on-NZME-Fairfax-draft-determination-25-November-2016.PDF
Self serving crap. Now she's begging for people to donate to Stuff which persists in articles that are poorly (if at all) researched!
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Note: on 25 May this year, Boucher purchased Stuff for NZ$1.00. She deserves every thinking New Zealander's gratitude and support.
Why? Stuff like The Herald no longer is of any consequence as much of it is just repeating what the overseas MSM writes while attacking freedom of speech by not allowing discussion of climate change.

But you go along with your delusions of being a <Newsman> Keith and I'll keep laughing at your stupidity!
Rich80105
2020-10-18 07:08:31 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
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Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
It probably helped that for much of the year the National Party was
campaigning against themselves - and then fell apart towards the
election, but to get as close to 50% of all party votes they did
extremely well. Some polls had them over 50%, but with the wasted
votes for fringe parties like your favourite Advance Party, Labour
alone has got over 50% of the seats. Labour has the best result for
any party for the last 50 years, but the number of National voters who
switched from National to the ACT party probably prevented Labour from
doing better.

As it is, most seats that National did retain still had a higher
number of party votes for Labour than for National. Specials and
overseas votes are still to come, and they are likely to favour Labour
/ Green parties.
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<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers Labour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
Of course - she has said that she will work with all parties for the
good of New Zealand, and she will talk to the Green Party next week
about a more formal link, but your claim that she needed the Greens in
government for a majority is just you getting it wrong yet again.
Labour has a majority without the Greens, and special votes may well
make that a higher majority by taking another seat from National.
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300135573/election-2020-how-the-world-reacted-to-jacinda-arderns-landslide-victory.
Editorially neutral, simply reporting on and quoting from actual events and personalities worldwide of whatever political stipe.
BULLSHIT! From a serial bullshiter Keith :)
So prove it, John Bowes - give just one example of the article not
simply reporting and quoting from actual events and personalities that
supports your silly attitude. Perhaps you read too much of sites like
the bfd . . .
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Post by John Bowes
The MSM are hell bent on supporting the left controlling the world. Stalin's dream is coming to fruition purely because the left control the MSM!
As an whingeing cradle-to-grave beneficiary of socialism's unstinting provision of education, employment and, latterly, superannuation, your demented post speaks only of your own grotesque hypocrisy writ large.
Yet more highly coloured and biased crap from the king of crap! The only difference between you and Rich Keith is you use longer words and make fewer spelling mistakes. Despite your own hypocritical belief in your superiority your words fit you to perfection!
You hold the crown of stupid, John Bowes. James Christophers does
very well in giving clear lucid and well thought out posts, including
in this case a clear assessment of you and your motivations; do not
blame him for your lack of understanding of some of the words used, or
your inability to demonstrate that he is not absolutely correct.
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Post by James Christophers
As for any suggested politicising of the MSM, here's Sinéad Boucher's 2016 submission to the NZ Commerce Commision when she was the then group editor for Fairfax NZ. It's a long read but worth every minute spent doing so since it precisely delineates and articulates the author's views, journalistic ideals and practices and longer-term concerns as applied to independent authorship in the production and public dissemination of news, commentary and opinion.
https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/77593/Sinead-Boucher-Submission-on-NZME-Fairfax-draft-determination-25-November-2016.PDF
Self serving crap. Now she's begging for people to donate to Stuff which persists in articles that are poorly (if at all) researched!
Post by James Christophers
Note: on 25 May this year, Boucher purchased Stuff for NZ$1.00. She deserves every thinking New Zealander's gratitude and support.
Why? Stuff like The Herald no longer is of any consequence as much of it is just repeating what the overseas MSM writes while attacking freedom of speech by not allowing discussion of climate change.
But you go along with your delusions of being a <Newsman> Keith and I'll keep laughing at your stupidity!
John Bowes
2020-10-18 20:20:54 UTC
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Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
It probably helped that for much of the year the National Party was
campaigning against themselves
BULLSHIT! It was helped by Labour starting their campaign in March!
- and then fell apart towards the
Post by Rich80105
election, but to get as close to 50% of all party votes they did
extremely well. Some polls had them over 50%, but with the wasted
votes for fringe parties like your favourite Advance Party,
Stop being a fucking imbecile! Never made any claim to voting the advance party. I gave my party vote to ACT as you've been told on more than one occaision!
Post by Rich80105
Labour
alone has got over 50% of the seats. Labour has the best result for
any party for the last 50 years, but the number of National voters who
switched from National to the ACT party probably prevented Labour from
doing better.
That would have been because they could see what a useless bunch of Marxists Labour is. Hell you only have to look at Labours track record to see thatt unless your a comprehensionless imbecile like you or Keith!
Post by Rich80105
As it is, most seats that National did retain still had a higher
number of party votes for Labour than for National. Specials and
overseas votes are still to come, and they are likely to favour Labour
/ Green parties.
Then those are people who haven't managed to get back home so the possibility is they won't be happy with Labour because of the way they handled the border closure Rich.
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers Labour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
Of course - she has said that she will work with all parties for the
good of New Zealand, and she will talk to the Green Party next week
about a more formal link, but your claim that she needed the Greens in
government for a majority is just you getting it wrong yet again.
Labour has a majority without the Greens, and special votes may well
make that a higher majority by taking another seat from National.
Yet it seems once again Ardern has lied and she's now saying she'll go alone! FFS Rich 74 in government makes her control more secure than 64. Even an imbecile like you should understand that. Hell any dictator worth her salt probably understands that better than you!
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300135573/election-2020-how-the-world-reacted-to-jacinda-arderns-landslide-victory.
Editorially neutral, simply reporting on and quoting from actual events and personalities worldwide of whatever political stipe.
BULLSHIT! From a serial bullshiter Keith :)
So prove it, John Bowes - give just one example of the article not
simply reporting and quoting from actual events and personalities that
supports your silly attitude. Perhaps you read too much of sites like
the bfd . . .
A site which reports much more honestly than Stuff ever has!
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
The MSM are hell bent on supporting the left controlling the world. Stalin's dream is coming to fruition purely because the left control the MSM!
As an whingeing cradle-to-grave beneficiary of socialism's unstinting provision of education, employment and, latterly, superannuation, your demented post speaks only of your own grotesque hypocrisy writ large.
Yet more highly coloured and biased crap from the king of crap! The only difference between you and Rich Keith is you use longer words and make fewer spelling mistakes. Despite your own hypocritical belief in your superiority your words fit you to perfection!
You hold the crown of stupid, John Bowes. James Christophers does
very well in giving clear lucid and well thought out posts, including
in this case a clear assessment of you and your motivations; do not
blame him for your lack of understanding of some of the words used, or
your inability to demonstrate that he is not absolutely correct.
Keith presents a very flowery line of bullshit, bias and hubris Rich. It's all he's ever done. But you in your desperation to believe he's on your side will support the shyster purely for that reason!
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
As for any suggested politicising of the MSM, here's Sinéad Boucher's 2016 submission to the NZ Commerce Commision when she was the then group editor for Fairfax NZ. It's a long read but worth every minute spent doing so since it precisely delineates and articulates the author's views, journalistic ideals and practices and longer-term concerns as applied to independent authorship in the production and public dissemination of news, commentary and opinion.
https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/77593/Sinead-Boucher-Submission-on-NZME-Fairfax-draft-determination-25-November-2016.PDF
Self serving crap. Now she's begging for people to donate to Stuff which persists in articles that are poorly (if at all) researched!
Post by James Christophers
Note: on 25 May this year, Boucher purchased Stuff for NZ$1.00. She deserves every thinking New Zealander's gratitude and support.
Why? Stuff like The Herald no longer is of any consequence as much of it is just repeating what the overseas MSM writes while attacking freedom of speech by not allowing discussion of climate change.
But you go along with your delusions of being a <Newsman> Keith and I'll keep laughing at your stupidity!
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2020-10-18 20:45:17 UTC
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 23:22:21 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 04:11:22 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 03:24:01 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:34:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
It probably helped that for much of the year the National Party was
campaigning against themselves
BULLSHIT! It was helped by Labour starting their campaign in March!
Labour started their campaign in November 2017, but you are correct
that National appear not to have realised that their stupid behaviour
in putting money before lives just might affect their support come
election time.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
- and then fell apart towards the
election, but to get as close to 50% of all party votes they did
extremely well. Some polls had them over 50%, but with the wasted
votes for fringe parties like your favourite Advance Party,
Stop being a fucking imbecile! Never made any claim to voting the advance party. I gave my party vote to ACT as you've been told on more than one occaision!
OK, I thought you were an A-something supporter. Not to worry; ACT
won't get anywhere with wanting to flood the country with guns . . .
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Labour
alone has got over 50% of the seats. Labour has the best result for
any party for the last 50 years, but the number of National voters who
switched from National to the ACT party probably prevented Labour from
doing better.
And this morning we heard that many farmers voted for Labour so that
Labour would not need the Green Party and would be able to govern
alone - forgetting that Labour and Green have some common policies . .
.
Post by John Bowes
That would have been because they could see what a useless bunch of Marxists Labour is. Hell you only have to look at Labours track record to see thatt unless your a comprehensionless imbecile like you or Keith!
As the farmer on Radio NZ said, they believe they can trust Labour
this next term . . .
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
As it is, most seats that National did retain still had a higher
number of party votes for Labour than for National. Specials and
overseas votes are still to come, and they are likely to favour Labour
/ Green parties.
Then those are people who haven't managed to get back home so the possibility is they won't be happy with Labour because of the way they handled the border closure Rich.
No, in Pakuranga they wanted to see Judith back, but they did not want
a National Government; they were scared that National would loose
Covid on us again by opening the borders too quickly.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers Labour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
Of course - she has said that she will work with all parties for the
good of New Zealand, and she will talk to the Green Party next week
about a more formal link, but your claim that she needed the Greens in
government for a majority is just you getting it wrong yet again.
Labour has a majority without the Greens, and special votes may well
make that a higher majority by taking another seat from National.
Yet it seems once again Ardern has lied and she's now saying she'll go alone!
Cite? She has certainly said that Labour could govern alone; and she
has also hinted that the Greens may not get the same number of
portfolios as there are so many Labour people also able and wiling to
work for the good of all New Zealand.
Post by John Bowes
FFS Rich 74 in government makes her control more secure than 64. Even an imbecile like you should understand that. Hell any dictator worth her salt probably understands that better than you!
I'm glad you have worked that out, John Bowes - it took a while but yu
got there. Well done!
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300135573/election-2020-how-the-world-reacted-to-jacinda-arderns-landslide-victory.
Editorially neutral, simply reporting on and quoting from actual events and personalities worldwide of whatever political stipe.
BULLSHIT! From a serial bullshiter Keith :)
So prove it, John Bowes - give just one example of the article not
simply reporting and quoting from actual events and personalities that
supports your silly attitude. Perhaps you read too much of sites like
the bfd . . .
A site which reports much more honestly than Stuff ever has!
So you still can't give an example to support your silly statement
about Stuff . . .
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
The MSM are hell bent on supporting the left controlling the world. Stalin's dream is coming to fruition purely because the left control the MSM!
As an whingeing cradle-to-grave beneficiary of socialism's unstinting provision of education, employment and, latterly, superannuation, your demented post speaks only of your own grotesque hypocrisy writ large.
Yet more highly coloured and biased crap from the king of crap! The only difference between you and Rich Keith is you use longer words and make fewer spelling mistakes. Despite your own hypocritical belief in your superiority your words fit you to perfection!
You hold the crown of stupid, John Bowes. James Christophers does
very well in giving clear lucid and well thought out posts, including
in this case a clear assessment of you and your motivations; do not
blame him for your lack of understanding of some of the words used, or
your inability to demonstrate that he is not absolutely correct.
Keith presents a very flowery line of bullshit, bias and hubris Rich. It's all he's ever done. But you in your desperation to believe he's on your side will support the shyster purely for that reason!
I don't know your Keith; but James Christophers usually posts good
sense; I don't know why you react so badly to his posts.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
As for any suggested politicising of the MSM, here's Sinéad Boucher's 2016 submission to the NZ Commerce Commision when she was the then group editor for Fairfax NZ. It's a long read but worth every minute spent doing so since it precisely delineates and articulates the author's views, journalistic ideals and practices and longer-term concerns as applied to independent authorship in the production and public dissemination of news, commentary and opinion.
https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/77593/Sinead-Boucher-Submission-on-NZME-Fairfax-draft-determination-25-November-2016.PDF
Self serving crap. Now she's begging for people to donate to Stuff which persists in articles that are poorly (if at all) researched!
Post by James Christophers
Note: on 25 May this year, Boucher purchased Stuff for NZ$1.00. She deserves every thinking New Zealander's gratitude and support.
Why? Stuff like The Herald no longer is of any consequence as much of it is just repeating what the overseas MSM writes while attacking freedom of speech by not allowing discussion of climate change.
But you go along with your delusions of being a <Newsman> Keith and I'll keep laughing at your stupidity!
Nellie the Elephant
2020-10-18 21:56:38 UTC
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 13:20:54 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 23:22:21 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 04:11:22 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 03:24:01 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:34:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
It probably helped that for much of the year the National Party was
campaigning against themselves
BULLSHIT! It was helped by Labour starting their campaign in March!
Labour started their campaign in November 2017, but you are correct
that National appear not to have realised that their stupid behaviour
in putting money before lives just might affect their support come
election time.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
- and then fell apart towards the
election, but to get as close to 50% of all party votes they did
extremely well. Some polls had them over 50%, but with the wasted
votes for fringe parties like your favourite Advance Party,
Stop being a fucking imbecile! Never made any claim to voting the advance party. I gave my party vote to ACT as you've been told on more than one occaision!
OK, I thought you were an A-something supporter. Not to worry; ACT
won't get anywhere with wanting to flood the country with guns . . .
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Labour
alone has got over 50% of the seats. Labour has the best result for
any party for the last 50 years, but the number of National voters who
switched from National to the ACT party probably prevented Labour from
doing better.
And this morning we heard that many farmers voted for Labour so that
Labour would not need the Green Party and would be able to govern
alone - forgetting that Labour and Green have some common policies . .
.
Post by John Bowes
That would have been because they could see what a useless bunch of Marxists Labour is. Hell you only have to look at Labours track record to see thatt unless your a comprehensionless imbecile like you or Keith!
As the farmer on Radio NZ said, they believe they can trust Labour
this next term . . .
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
As it is, most seats that National did retain still had a higher
number of party votes for Labour than for National. Specials and
overseas votes are still to come, and they are likely to favour Labour
/ Green parties.
Then those are people who haven't managed to get back home so the possibility is they won't be happy with Labour because of the way they handled the border closure Rich.
No, in Pakuranga they wanted to see Judith back, but they did not want
a National Government; they were scared that National would loose
Covid on us again by opening the borders too quickly.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers Labour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
Of course - she has said that she will work with all parties for the
good of New Zealand, and she will talk to the Green Party next week
about a more formal link, but your claim that she needed the Greens in
government for a majority is just you getting it wrong yet again.
Labour has a majority without the Greens, and special votes may well
make that a higher majority by taking another seat from National.
Yet it seems once again Ardern has lied and she's now saying she'll go alone!
Cite? She has certainly said that Labour could govern alone; and she
has also hinted that the Greens may not get the same number of
portfolios as there are so many Labour people also able and wiling to
work for the good of all New Zealand.
Post by John Bowes
FFS Rich 74 in government makes her control more secure than 64. Even an imbecile like you should understand that. Hell any dictator worth her salt probably understands that better than you!
I'm glad you have worked that out, John Bowes - it took a while but yu
got there. Well done!
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300135573/election-2020-how-the-world-reacted-to-jacinda-arderns-landslide-victory.
Editorially neutral, simply reporting on and quoting from actual events and personalities worldwide of whatever political stipe.
BULLSHIT! From a serial bullshiter Keith :)
So prove it, John Bowes - give just one example of the article not
simply reporting and quoting from actual events and personalities that
supports your silly attitude. Perhaps you read too much of sites like
the bfd . . .
A site which reports much more honestly than Stuff ever has!
So you still can't give an example to support your silly statement
about Stuff . . .
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
The MSM are hell bent on supporting the left controlling the world. Stalin's dream is coming to fruition purely because the left control the MSM!
As an whingeing cradle-to-grave beneficiary of socialism's unstinting provision of education, employment and, latterly, superannuation, your demented post speaks only of your own grotesque hypocrisy writ large.
Yet more highly coloured and biased crap from the king of crap! The only difference between you and Rich Keith is you use longer words and make fewer spelling mistakes. Despite your own hypocritical belief in your superiority your words fit you to perfection!
You hold the crown of stupid, John Bowes. James Christophers does
very well in giving clear lucid and well thought out posts, including
in this case a clear assessment of you and your motivations; do not
blame him for your lack of understanding of some of the words used, or
your inability to demonstrate that he is not absolutely correct.
Keith presents a very flowery line of bullshit, bias and hubris Rich. It's all he's ever done. But you in your desperation to believe he's on your side will support the shyster purely for that reason!
I don't know your Keith; but James Christophers usually posts good
sense; I don't know why you react so badly to his posts.
Of course you do know who he is, Keith Warren is James whatsisname
and that is known by every person here but you, why be so silly?
Anyway, just read what he (Keith or James) writes he is often very
offensive.
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
As for any suggested politicising of the MSM, here's Sinéad Boucher's 2016 submission to the NZ Commerce Commision when she was the then group editor for Fairfax NZ. It's a long read but worth every minute spent doing so since it precisely delineates and articulates the author's views, journalistic ideals and practices and longer-term concerns as applied to independent authorship in the production and public dissemination of news, commentary and opinion.
https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/77593/Sinead-Boucher-Submission-on-NZME-Fairfax-draft-determination-25-November-2016.PDF
Self serving crap. Now she's begging for people to donate to Stuff which persists in articles that are poorly (if at all) researched!
Post by James Christophers
Note: on 25 May this year, Boucher purchased Stuff for NZ$1.00. She deserves every thinking New Zealander's gratitude and support.
Why? Stuff like The Herald no longer is of any consequence as much of it is just repeating what the overseas MSM writes while attacking freedom of speech by not allowing discussion of climate change.
But you go along with your delusions of being a <Newsman> Keith and I'll keep laughing at your stupidity!
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2020-10-18 22:43:28 UTC
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 13:20:54 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
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Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 23:22:21 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 04:11:22 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 03:24:01 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:34:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
It probably helped that for much of the year the National Party was
campaigning against themselves
BULLSHIT! It was helped by Labour starting their campaign in March!
Labour started their campaign in November 2017, but you are correct
that National appear not to have realised that their stupid behaviour
in putting money before lives just might affect their support come
election time.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
- and then fell apart towards the
election, but to get as close to 50% of all party votes they did
extremely well. Some polls had them over 50%, but with the wasted
votes for fringe parties like your favourite Advance Party,
Stop being a fucking imbecile! Never made any claim to voting the advance party. I gave my party vote to ACT as you've been told on more than one occaision!
OK, I thought you were an A-something supporter. Not to worry; ACT
won't get anywhere with wanting to flood the country with guns . . .
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Labour
alone has got over 50% of the seats. Labour has the best result for
any party for the last 50 years, but the number of National voters who
switched from National to the ACT party probably prevented Labour from
doing better.
And this morning we heard that many farmers voted for Labour so that
Labour would not need the Green Party and would be able to govern
alone - forgetting that Labour and Green have some common policies . .
.
Post by John Bowes
That would have been because they could see what a useless bunch of Marxists Labour is. Hell you only have to look at Labours track record to see thatt unless your a comprehensionless imbecile like you or Keith!
As the farmer on Radio NZ said, they believe they can trust Labour
this next term . . .
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
As it is, most seats that National did retain still had a higher
number of party votes for Labour than for National. Specials and
overseas votes are still to come, and they are likely to favour Labour
/ Green parties.
Then those are people who haven't managed to get back home so the possibility is they won't be happy with Labour because of the way they handled the border closure Rich.
No, in Pakuranga they wanted to see Judith back, but they did not want
a National Government; they were scared that National would loose
Covid on us again by opening the borders too quickly.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers Labour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
Of course - she has said that she will work with all parties for the
good of New Zealand, and she will talk to the Green Party next week
about a more formal link, but your claim that she needed the Greens in
government for a majority is just you getting it wrong yet again.
Labour has a majority without the Greens, and special votes may well
make that a higher majority by taking another seat from National.
Yet it seems once again Ardern has lied and she's now saying she'll go alone!
Cite? She has certainly said that Labour could govern alone; and she
has also hinted that the Greens may not get the same number of
portfolios as there are so many Labour people also able and wiling to
work for the good of all New Zealand.
Post by John Bowes
FFS Rich 74 in government makes her control more secure than 64. Even an imbecile like you should understand that. Hell any dictator worth her salt probably understands that better than you!
I'm glad you have worked that out, John Bowes - it took a while but yu
got there. Well done!
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300135573/election-2020-how-the-world-reacted-to-jacinda-arderns-landslide-victory.
Editorially neutral, simply reporting on and quoting from actual events and personalities worldwide of whatever political stipe.
BULLSHIT! From a serial bullshiter Keith :)
So prove it, John Bowes - give just one example of the article not
simply reporting and quoting from actual events and personalities that
supports your silly attitude. Perhaps you read too much of sites like
the bfd . . .
A site which reports much more honestly than Stuff ever has!
So you still can't give an example to support your silly statement
about Stuff . . .
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
The MSM are hell bent on supporting the left controlling the world. Stalin's dream is coming to fruition purely because the left control the MSM!
As an whingeing cradle-to-grave beneficiary of socialism's unstinting provision of education, employment and, latterly, superannuation, your demented post speaks only of your own grotesque hypocrisy writ large.
Yet more highly coloured and biased crap from the king of crap! The only difference between you and Rich Keith is you use longer words and make fewer spelling mistakes. Despite your own hypocritical belief in your superiority your words fit you to perfection!
You hold the crown of stupid, John Bowes. James Christophers does
very well in giving clear lucid and well thought out posts, including
in this case a clear assessment of you and your motivations; do not
blame him for your lack of understanding of some of the words used, or
your inability to demonstrate that he is not absolutely correct.
Keith presents a very flowery line of bullshit, bias and hubris Rich. It's all he's ever done. But you in your desperation to believe he's on your side will support the shyster purely for that reason!
I don't know your Keith; but James Christophers usually posts good
sense; I don't know why you react so badly to his posts.
Of course you do know who he is, Keith Warren is James whatsisname
and that is known by every person here but you, why be so silly?
Anyway, just read what he (Keith or James) writes he is often very
offensive.
I've only been reading nz.general for about 20 years, and do not
recall any posts from "Keith." James Christophers is fairly recent,
as is Nellie the Elephant; for all I know you are the same person
enjoying two quite different personas (although I doubt that neither
of you appear the sort to waste time doing that). For all that,
neither of you are as offensive as some of the rabid idiots posting to
the group
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
As for any suggested politicising of the MSM, here's Sinéad Boucher's 2016 submission to the NZ Commerce Commision when she was the then group editor for Fairfax NZ. It's a long read but worth every minute spent doing so since it precisely delineates and articulates the author's views, journalistic ideals and practices and longer-term concerns as applied to independent authorship in the production and public dissemination of news, commentary and opinion.
https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/77593/Sinead-Boucher-Submission-on-NZME-Fairfax-draft-determination-25-November-2016.PDF
Self serving crap. Now she's begging for people to donate to Stuff which persists in articles that are poorly (if at all) researched!
Post by James Christophers
Note: on 25 May this year, Boucher purchased Stuff for NZ$1.00. She deserves every thinking New Zealander's gratitude and support.
Why? Stuff like The Herald no longer is of any consequence as much of it is just repeating what the overseas MSM writes while attacking freedom of speech by not allowing discussion of climate change.
But you go along with your delusions of being a <Newsman> Keith and I'll keep laughing at your stupidity!
Nellie the Elephant
2020-10-18 23:00:18 UTC
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On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:56:38 +1300, Nellie the Elephant
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 13:20:54 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 23:22:21 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 04:11:22 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 03:24:01 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:34:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
It probably helped that for much of the year the National Party was
campaigning against themselves
BULLSHIT! It was helped by Labour starting their campaign in March!
Labour started their campaign in November 2017, but you are correct
that National appear not to have realised that their stupid behaviour
in putting money before lives just might affect their support come
election time.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
- and then fell apart towards the
election, but to get as close to 50% of all party votes they did
extremely well. Some polls had them over 50%, but with the wasted
votes for fringe parties like your favourite Advance Party,
Stop being a fucking imbecile! Never made any claim to voting the advance party. I gave my party vote to ACT as you've been told on more than one occaision!
OK, I thought you were an A-something supporter. Not to worry; ACT
won't get anywhere with wanting to flood the country with guns . . .
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Labour
alone has got over 50% of the seats. Labour has the best result for
any party for the last 50 years, but the number of National voters who
switched from National to the ACT party probably prevented Labour from
doing better.
And this morning we heard that many farmers voted for Labour so that
Labour would not need the Green Party and would be able to govern
alone - forgetting that Labour and Green have some common policies . .
.
Post by John Bowes
That would have been because they could see what a useless bunch of Marxists Labour is. Hell you only have to look at Labours track record to see thatt unless your a comprehensionless imbecile like you or Keith!
As the farmer on Radio NZ said, they believe they can trust Labour
this next term . . .
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
As it is, most seats that National did retain still had a higher
number of party votes for Labour than for National. Specials and
overseas votes are still to come, and they are likely to favour Labour
/ Green parties.
Then those are people who haven't managed to get back home so the possibility is they won't be happy with Labour because of the way they handled the border closure Rich.
No, in Pakuranga they wanted to see Judith back, but they did not want
a National Government; they were scared that National would loose
Covid on us again by opening the borders too quickly.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers Labour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
Of course - she has said that she will work with all parties for the
good of New Zealand, and she will talk to the Green Party next week
about a more formal link, but your claim that she needed the Greens in
government for a majority is just you getting it wrong yet again.
Labour has a majority without the Greens, and special votes may well
make that a higher majority by taking another seat from National.
Yet it seems once again Ardern has lied and she's now saying she'll go alone!
Cite? She has certainly said that Labour could govern alone; and she
has also hinted that the Greens may not get the same number of
portfolios as there are so many Labour people also able and wiling to
work for the good of all New Zealand.
Post by John Bowes
FFS Rich 74 in government makes her control more secure than 64. Even an imbecile like you should understand that. Hell any dictator worth her salt probably understands that better than you!
I'm glad you have worked that out, John Bowes - it took a while but yu
got there. Well done!
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300135573/election-2020-how-the-world-reacted-to-jacinda-arderns-landslide-victory.
Editorially neutral, simply reporting on and quoting from actual events and personalities worldwide of whatever political stipe.
BULLSHIT! From a serial bullshiter Keith :)
So prove it, John Bowes - give just one example of the article not
simply reporting and quoting from actual events and personalities that
supports your silly attitude. Perhaps you read too much of sites like
the bfd . . .
A site which reports much more honestly than Stuff ever has!
So you still can't give an example to support your silly statement
about Stuff . . .
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
The MSM are hell bent on supporting the left controlling the world. Stalin's dream is coming to fruition purely because the left control the MSM!
As an whingeing cradle-to-grave beneficiary of socialism's unstinting provision of education, employment and, latterly, superannuation, your demented post speaks only of your own grotesque hypocrisy writ large.
Yet more highly coloured and biased crap from the king of crap! The only difference between you and Rich Keith is you use longer words and make fewer spelling mistakes. Despite your own hypocritical belief in your superiority your words fit you to perfection!
You hold the crown of stupid, John Bowes. James Christophers does
very well in giving clear lucid and well thought out posts, including
in this case a clear assessment of you and your motivations; do not
blame him for your lack of understanding of some of the words used, or
your inability to demonstrate that he is not absolutely correct.
Keith presents a very flowery line of bullshit, bias and hubris Rich. It's all he's ever done. But you in your desperation to believe he's on your side will support the shyster purely for that reason!
I don't know your Keith; but James Christophers usually posts good
sense; I don't know why you react so badly to his posts.
Of course you do know who he is, Keith Warren is James whatsisname
and that is known by every person here but you, why be so silly?
Anyway, just read what he (Keith or James) writes he is often very
offensive.
I've only been reading nz.general for about 20 years, and do not
recall any posts from "Keith." James Christophers is fairly recent,
as is Nellie the Elephant; for all I know you are the same person
enjoying two quite different personas (although I doubt that neither
of you appear the sort to waste time doing that). For all that,
neither of you are as offensive as some of the rabid idiots posting to
the group
You and Keith are the most offensive here, and only you two do not
acknowledge that to be the case.
Keith Warren used to post as Newsman, then James then linjmsc1 and
probably WillyNilly. He has also posted with other nims. There is no
problem with that but you pretending you don't know it is laughable.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
As for any suggested politicising of the MSM, here's Sinéad Boucher's 2016 submission to the NZ Commerce Commision when she was the then group editor for Fairfax NZ. It's a long read but worth every minute spent doing so since it precisely delineates and articulates the author's views, journalistic ideals and practices and longer-term concerns as applied to independent authorship in the production and public dissemination of news, commentary and opinion.
https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/77593/Sinead-Boucher-Submission-on-NZME-Fairfax-draft-determination-25-November-2016.PDF
Self serving crap. Now she's begging for people to donate to Stuff which persists in articles that are poorly (if at all) researched!
Post by James Christophers
Note: on 25 May this year, Boucher purchased Stuff for NZ$1.00. She deserves every thinking New Zealander's gratitude and support.
Why? Stuff like The Herald no longer is of any consequence as much of it is just repeating what the overseas MSM writes while attacking freedom of speech by not allowing discussion of climate change.
But you go along with your delusions of being a <Newsman> Keith and I'll keep laughing at your stupidity!
John Bowes
2020-10-19 02:30:31 UTC
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On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:56:38 +1300, Nellie the Elephant
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 13:20:54 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 23:22:21 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 04:11:22 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 03:24:01 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:34:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
It probably helped that for much of the year the National Party was
campaigning against themselves
BULLSHIT! It was helped by Labour starting their campaign in March!
Labour started their campaign in November 2017, but you are correct
that National appear not to have realised that their stupid behaviour
in putting money before lives just might affect their support come
election time.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
- and then fell apart towards the
election, but to get as close to 50% of all party votes they did
extremely well. Some polls had them over 50%, but with the wasted
votes for fringe parties like your favourite Advance Party,
Stop being a fucking imbecile! Never made any claim to voting the advance party. I gave my party vote to ACT as you've been told on more than one occaision!
OK, I thought you were an A-something supporter. Not to worry; ACT
won't get anywhere with wanting to flood the country with guns . . .
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Labour
alone has got over 50% of the seats. Labour has the best result for
any party for the last 50 years, but the number of National voters who
switched from National to the ACT party probably prevented Labour from
doing better.
And this morning we heard that many farmers voted for Labour so that
Labour would not need the Green Party and would be able to govern
alone - forgetting that Labour and Green have some common policies . .
.
Post by John Bowes
That would have been because they could see what a useless bunch of Marxists Labour is. Hell you only have to look at Labours track record to see thatt unless your a comprehensionless imbecile like you or Keith!
As the farmer on Radio NZ said, they believe they can trust Labour
this next term . . .
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
As it is, most seats that National did retain still had a higher
number of party votes for Labour than for National. Specials and
overseas votes are still to come, and they are likely to favour Labour
/ Green parties.
Then those are people who haven't managed to get back home so the possibility is they won't be happy with Labour because of the way they handled the border closure Rich.
No, in Pakuranga they wanted to see Judith back, but they did not want
a National Government; they were scared that National would loose
Covid on us again by opening the borders too quickly.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers Labour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
Of course - she has said that she will work with all parties for the
good of New Zealand, and she will talk to the Green Party next week
about a more formal link, but your claim that she needed the Greens in
government for a majority is just you getting it wrong yet again.
Labour has a majority without the Greens, and special votes may well
make that a higher majority by taking another seat from National.
Yet it seems once again Ardern has lied and she's now saying she'll go alone!
Cite? She has certainly said that Labour could govern alone; and she
has also hinted that the Greens may not get the same number of
portfolios as there are so many Labour people also able and wiling to
work for the good of all New Zealand.
Post by John Bowes
FFS Rich 74 in government makes her control more secure than 64. Even an imbecile like you should understand that. Hell any dictator worth her salt probably understands that better than you!
I'm glad you have worked that out, John Bowes - it took a while but yu
got there. Well done!
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300135573/election-2020-how-the-world-reacted-to-jacinda-arderns-landslide-victory.
Editorially neutral, simply reporting on and quoting from actual events and personalities worldwide of whatever political stipe.
BULLSHIT! From a serial bullshiter Keith :)
So prove it, John Bowes - give just one example of the article not
simply reporting and quoting from actual events and personalities that
supports your silly attitude. Perhaps you read too much of sites like
the bfd . . .
A site which reports much more honestly than Stuff ever has!
So you still can't give an example to support your silly statement
about Stuff . . .
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
The MSM are hell bent on supporting the left controlling the world. Stalin's dream is coming to fruition purely because the left control the MSM!
As an whingeing cradle-to-grave beneficiary of socialism's unstinting provision of education, employment and, latterly, superannuation, your demented post speaks only of your own grotesque hypocrisy writ large.
Yet more highly coloured and biased crap from the king of crap! The only difference between you and Rich Keith is you use longer words and make fewer spelling mistakes. Despite your own hypocritical belief in your superiority your words fit you to perfection!
You hold the crown of stupid, John Bowes. James Christophers does
very well in giving clear lucid and well thought out posts, including
in this case a clear assessment of you and your motivations; do not
blame him for your lack of understanding of some of the words used, or
your inability to demonstrate that he is not absolutely correct.
Keith presents a very flowery line of bullshit, bias and hubris Rich. It's all he's ever done. But you in your desperation to believe he's on your side will support the shyster purely for that reason!
I don't know your Keith; but James Christophers usually posts good
sense; I don't know why you react so badly to his posts.
Of course you do know who he is, Keith Warren is James whatsisname
and that is known by every person here but you, why be so silly?
Anyway, just read what he (Keith or James) writes he is often very
offensive.
I've only been reading nz.general for about 20 years, and do not
recall any posts from "Keith." James Christophers is fairly recent,
as is Nellie the Elephant; for all I know you are the same person
enjoying two quite different personas (although I doubt that neither
of you appear the sort to waste time doing that). For all that,
neither of you are as offensive as some of the rabid idiots posting to
the group
Oh dear. Poor widdle Rich is talking about his own posts again :)

Considering how many times you've been told who Keith Warren is and the fact he's currently using James Christopher is only highlights what a fucking imbecile you are Rich :)
John Bowes
2020-10-19 02:08:09 UTC
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 13:20:54 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 23:22:21 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 04:11:22 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 03:24:01 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:34:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
It probably helped that for much of the year the National Party was
campaigning against themselves
BULLSHIT! It was helped by Labour starting their campaign in March!
Labour started their campaign in November 2017, but you are correct
that National appear not to have realised that their stupid behaviour
in putting money before lives just might affect their support come
election time.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
- and then fell apart towards the
election, but to get as close to 50% of all party votes they did
extremely well. Some polls had them over 50%, but with the wasted
votes for fringe parties like your favourite Advance Party,
Stop being a fucking imbecile! Never made any claim to voting the advance party. I gave my party vote to ACT as you've been told on more than one occaision!
OK, I thought you were an A-something supporter. Not to worry; ACT
won't get anywhere with wanting to flood the country with guns . . .
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Labour
alone has got over 50% of the seats. Labour has the best result for
any party for the last 50 years, but the number of National voters who
switched from National to the ACT party probably prevented Labour from
doing better.
And this morning we heard that many farmers voted for Labour so that
Labour would not need the Green Party and would be able to govern
alone - forgetting that Labour and Green have some common policies . .
.
Post by John Bowes
That would have been because they could see what a useless bunch of Marxists Labour is. Hell you only have to look at Labours track record to see thatt unless your a comprehensionless imbecile like you or Keith!
As the farmer on Radio NZ said, they believe they can trust Labour
this next term . . .
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
As it is, most seats that National did retain still had a higher
number of party votes for Labour than for National. Specials and
overseas votes are still to come, and they are likely to favour Labour
/ Green parties.
Then those are people who haven't managed to get back home so the possibility is they won't be happy with Labour because of the way they handled the border closure Rich.
No, in Pakuranga they wanted to see Judith back, but they did not want
a National Government; they were scared that National would loose
Covid on us again by opening the borders too quickly.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers Labour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
Of course - she has said that she will work with all parties for the
good of New Zealand, and she will talk to the Green Party next week
about a more formal link, but your claim that she needed the Greens in
government for a majority is just you getting it wrong yet again.
Labour has a majority without the Greens, and special votes may well
make that a higher majority by taking another seat from National.
Yet it seems once again Ardern has lied and she's now saying she'll go alone!
Cite? She has certainly said that Labour could govern alone; and she
has also hinted that the Greens may not get the same number of
portfolios as there are so many Labour people also able and wiling to
work for the good of all New Zealand.
Post by John Bowes
FFS Rich 74 in government makes her control more secure than 64. Even an imbecile like you should understand that. Hell any dictator worth her salt probably understands that better than you!
I'm glad you have worked that out, John Bowes - it took a while but yu
got there. Well done!
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300135573/election-2020-how-the-world-reacted-to-jacinda-arderns-landslide-victory.
Editorially neutral, simply reporting on and quoting from actual events and personalities worldwide of whatever political stipe.
BULLSHIT! From a serial bullshiter Keith :)
So prove it, John Bowes - give just one example of the article not
simply reporting and quoting from actual events and personalities that
supports your silly attitude. Perhaps you read too much of sites like
the bfd . . .
A site which reports much more honestly than Stuff ever has!
So you still can't give an example to support your silly statement
about Stuff . . .
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The MSM are hell bent on supporting the left controlling the world. Stalin's dream is coming to fruition purely because the left control the MSM!
As an whingeing cradle-to-grave beneficiary of socialism's unstinting provision of education, employment and, latterly, superannuation, your demented post speaks only of your own grotesque hypocrisy writ large.
Yet more highly coloured and biased crap from the king of crap! The only difference between you and Rich Keith is you use longer words and make fewer spelling mistakes. Despite your own hypocritical belief in your superiority your words fit you to perfection!
You hold the crown of stupid, John Bowes. James Christophers does
very well in giving clear lucid and well thought out posts, including
in this case a clear assessment of you and your motivations; do not
blame him for your lack of understanding of some of the words used, or
your inability to demonstrate that he is not absolutely correct.
Keith presents a very flowery line of bullshit, bias and hubris Rich. It's all he's ever done. But you in your desperation to believe he's on your side will support the shyster purely for that reason!
I don't know your Keith; but James Christophers usually posts good
sense; I don't know why you react so badly to his posts.
Of course you do know who he is, Keith Warren is James whatsisname
and that is known by every person here but you, why be so silly?
Anyway, just read what he (Keith or James) writes he is often very
offensive.
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As for any suggested politicising of the MSM, here's Sinéad Boucher's 2016 submission to the NZ Commerce Commision when she was the then group editor for Fairfax NZ. It's a long read but worth every minute spent doing so since it precisely delineates and articulates the author's views, journalistic ideals and practices and longer-term concerns as applied to independent authorship in the production and public dissemination of news, commentary and opinion.
https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/77593/Sinead-Boucher-Submission-on-NZME-Fairfax-draft-determination-25-November-2016.PDF
Self serving crap. Now she's begging for people to donate to Stuff which persists in articles that are poorly (if at all) researched!
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Note: on 25 May this year, Boucher purchased Stuff for NZ$1.00. She deserves every thinking New Zealander's gratitude and support.
Why? Stuff like The Herald no longer is of any consequence as much of it is just repeating what the overseas MSM writes while attacking freedom of speech by not allowing discussion of climate change.
But you go along with your delusions of being a <Newsman> Keith and I'll keep laughing at your stupidity!
Regrettably Rich is so bloody stupid he probably wears a name tag so he can remember who HE is :)
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Regrettably Rich is so bloody stupid he probably wears a name tag so
he can remember who HE is :)
So long as them as pass out the name tags also know who he appears to
be :)
Well, so far its a return to First Past the Post government.
Rich may not remember those days.
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Regrettably Rich is so bloody stupid he probably wears a name tag so
he can remember who HE is :)
So long as them as pass out the name tags also know who he appears to
be :)
Well, so far its a return to First Past the Post government.
Rich may not remember those days.
I do remember, and no it is not a return to First Past the Post. It is
just the first time since MMP was introduced that one party was so
emphatically preferred by New Zealanders - with anecdotally at least
some that would normally prefer a National government voting for
Labour so that Labour would not need the Green Party to gain a
majority.

What that majority gives is the ability for the 2020-2023 government
the ability to accept the recommendations from experts appointed by
the previous National Government to reduce the threshold from 5%, and
also to removethe "coathanger" provision which removes the threshold
where a party gains an electorate seat.

Winston Peters has for a long time had the slogan of "keeping them
honest" - the problem for NZ First this time is that New Zealanders
believed that Labour would get back in, and that they didn't need NZ
First to keepthem honest - Labour are honest anyway, and NZ First
would just get in the way. National have a long way to go to get past
the distrust they have in themselves; no way will the public trust
them until they start acting honestly.
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Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
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I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
It probably helped that for much of the year the National Party was
campaigning against themselves
BULLSHIT! It was helped by Labour starting their campaign in March!
Labour started their campaign in November 2017, but you are correct
that National appear not to have realised that their stupid behaviour
in putting money before lives just might affect their support come
election time.
Between November 2017 and March 2020 Labour achieved nothing except laryngitis from talking about the problems they promised to fix Rich. They were only saved by Ashley Bloomfield (that is when after two fucking weeks they decided to follow his advice!) Pity it was late and soft! But Ardern monopolising the photo op the daily Covid 19's gave her has saved her party. Even though it's as useless as one of your posts Rich!
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- and then fell apart towards the
election, but to get as close to 50% of all party votes they did
extremely well. Some polls had them over 50%, but with the wasted
votes for fringe parties like your favourite Advance Party,
Stop being a fucking imbecile! Never made any claim to voting the advance party. I gave my party vote to ACT as you've been told on more than one occaision!
OK, I thought you were an A-something supporter. Not to worry; ACT
won't get anywhere with wanting to flood the country with guns . . .
A typical load of crap from you Rich. Or do you have a cite to support this imbecilic claim? Seymour is opposed to an ill considered knee jerk reaction to an Aussie possibly as crazy as you Rich.
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Labour
alone has got over 50% of the seats. Labour has the best result for
any party for the last 50 years, but the number of National voters who
switched from National to the ACT party probably prevented Labour from
doing better.
And this morning we heard that many farmers voted for Labour so that
Labour would not need the Green Party and would be able to govern
alone - forgetting that Labour and Green have some common policies . .
.
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That would have been because they could see what a useless bunch of Marxists Labour is. Hell you only have to look at Labours track record to see thatt unless your a comprehensionless imbecile like you or Keith!
As the farmer on Radio NZ said, they believe they can trust Labour
this next term . . .
A farmer? Speaking for himself was he Rich? Got a cite?
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As it is, most seats that National did retain still had a higher
number of party votes for Labour than for National. Specials and
overseas votes are still to come, and they are likely to favour Labour
/ Green parties.
Then those are people who haven't managed to get back home so the possibility is they won't be happy with Labour because of the way they handled the border closure Rich.
No, in Pakuranga they wanted to see Judith back, but they did not want
a National Government; they were scared that National would loose
Covid on us again by opening the borders too quickly.
What are you on Rich? Must be pretty good or your an even bigger imbecile than you come across as. Collins didn't stand in Pakuranga you mindless moron. She won Papakura handily and Labour only just won the party vote :)

So it's okay for Labour to open the borders? Typical of your Labour good, National bad bullshit Rich!
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<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers Labour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
Of course - she has said that she will work with all parties for the
good of New Zealand, and she will talk to the Green Party next week
about a more formal link, but your claim that she needed the Greens in
government for a majority is just you getting it wrong yet again.
Labour has a majority without the Greens, and special votes may well
make that a higher majority by taking another seat from National.
Yet it seems once again Ardern has lied and she's now saying she'll go alone!
Cite? She has certainly said that Labour could govern alone; and she
has also hinted that the Greens may not get the same number of
portfolios as there are so many Labour people also able and wiling to
work for the good of all New Zealand.
Read Stuff or any of the other biased news cites Rich!
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FFS Rich 74 in government makes her control more secure than 64. Even an imbecile like you should understand that. Hell any dictator worth her salt probably understands that better than you!
I'm glad you have worked that out, John Bowes - it took a while but yu
got there. Well done!
What a load of self serving crap Rich! Once again you finally understand what someone has told you and are so proud your comprehension skills worked for a change!
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300135573/election-2020-how-the-world-reacted-to-jacinda-arderns-landslide-victory.
Editorially neutral, simply reporting on and quoting from actual events and personalities worldwide of whatever political stipe.
BULLSHIT! From a serial bullshiter Keith :)
So prove it, John Bowes - give just one example of the article not
simply reporting and quoting from actual events and personalities that
supports your silly attitude. Perhaps you read too much of sites like
the bfd . . .
A site which reports much more honestly than Stuff ever has!
So you still can't give an example to support your silly statement
about Stuff . . .
You wouldn't understand Rich. Besides going on your past history it'd be a waste of time and bandwidth because all you have is Labour good, National bad!
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The MSM are hell bent on supporting the left controlling the world. Stalin's dream is coming to fruition purely because the left control the MSM!
As an whingeing cradle-to-grave beneficiary of socialism's unstinting provision of education, employment and, latterly, superannuation, your demented post speaks only of your own grotesque hypocrisy writ large.
Yet more highly coloured and biased crap from the king of crap! The only difference between you and Rich Keith is you use longer words and make fewer spelling mistakes. Despite your own hypocritical belief in your superiority your words fit you to perfection!
You hold the crown of stupid, John Bowes. James Christophers does
very well in giving clear lucid and well thought out posts, including
in this case a clear assessment of you and your motivations; do not
blame him for your lack of understanding of some of the words used, or
your inability to demonstrate that he is not absolutely correct.
Keith presents a very flowery line of bullshit, bias and hubris Rich. It's all he's ever done. But you in your desperation to believe he's on your side will support the shyster purely for that reason!
I don't know your Keith; but James Christophers usually posts good
sense; I don't know why you react so badly to his posts.
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As for any suggested politicising of the MSM, here's Sinéad Boucher's 2016 submission to the NZ Commerce Commision when she was the then group editor for Fairfax NZ. It's a long read but worth every minute spent doing so since it precisely delineates and articulates the author's views, journalistic ideals and practices and longer-term concerns as applied to independent authorship in the production and public dissemination of news, commentary and opinion.
https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/77593/Sinead-Boucher-Submission-on-NZME-Fairfax-draft-determination-25-November-2016.PDF
Self serving crap. Now she's begging for people to donate to Stuff which persists in articles that are poorly (if at all) researched!
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Note: on 25 May this year, Boucher purchased Stuff for NZ$1.00. She deserves every thinking New Zealander's gratitude and support.
Why? Stuff like The Herald no longer is of any consequence as much of it is just repeating what the overseas MSM writes while attacking freedom of speech by not allowing discussion of climate change.
But you go along with your delusions of being a <Newsman> Keith and I'll keep laughing at your stupidity!
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Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
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Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
It probably helped that for much of the year the National Party was
campaigning against themselves
BULLSHIT! It was helped by Labour starting their campaign in March!
Labour started their campaign in November 2017, but you are correct
that National appear not to have realised that their stupid behaviour
in putting money before lives just might affect their support come
election time.
Between November 2017 and March 2020 Labour achieved nothing except laryngitis from talking about the problems they promised to fix Rich. They were only saved by Ashley Bloomfield (that is when after two fucking weeks they decided to follow his advice!) Pity it was late and soft! But Ardern monopolising the photo op the daily Covid 19's gave her has saved her party. Even though it's as useless as one of your posts Rich!
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Post by Rich80105
- and then fell apart towards the
election, but to get as close to 50% of all party votes they did
extremely well. Some polls had them over 50%, but with the wasted
votes for fringe parties like your favourite Advance Party,
Stop being a fucking imbecile! Never made any claim to voting the advance party. I gave my party vote to ACT as you've been told on more than one occaision!
OK, I thought you were an A-something supporter. Not to worry; ACT
won't get anywhere with wanting to flood the country with guns . . .
A typical load of crap from you Rich. Or do you have a cite to support this imbecilic claim? Seymour is opposed to an ill considered knee jerk reaction to an Aussie possibly as crazy as you Rich.
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Labour
alone has got over 50% of the seats. Labour has the best result for
any party for the last 50 years, but the number of National voters who
switched from National to the ACT party probably prevented Labour from
doing better.
And this morning we heard that many farmers voted for Labour so that
Labour would not need the Green Party and would be able to govern
alone - forgetting that Labour and Green have some common policies . .
.
Post by John Bowes
That would have been because they could see what a useless bunch of Marxists Labour is. Hell you only have to look at Labours track record to see thatt unless your a comprehensionless imbecile like you or Keith!
As the farmer on Radio NZ said, they believe they can trust Labour
this next term . . .
A farmer? Speaking for himself was he Rich? Got a cite?
No need. Simply let RNZ's replay podcast sector together with your legendary "comprehension skills" guide you on your safe course to higher learning and enlightenment.
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Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
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Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
It probably helped that for much of the year the National Party was
campaigning against themselves
BULLSHIT! It was helped by Labour starting their campaign in March!
Labour started their campaign in November 2017, but you are correct
that National appear not to have realised that their stupid behaviour
in putting money before lives just might affect their support come
election time.
Between November 2017 and March 2020 Labour achieved nothing except laryngitis from talking about the problems they promised to fix Rich. They were only saved by Ashley Bloomfield (that is when after two fucking weeks they decided to follow his advice!) Pity it was late and soft! But Ardern monopolising the photo op the daily Covid 19's gave her has saved her party. Even though it's as useless as one of your posts Rich!
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Post by Rich80105
- and then fell apart towards the
election, but to get as close to 50% of all party votes they did
extremely well. Some polls had them over 50%, but with the wasted
votes for fringe parties like your favourite Advance Party,
Stop being a fucking imbecile! Never made any claim to voting the advance party. I gave my party vote to ACT as you've been told on more than one occaision!
OK, I thought you were an A-something supporter. Not to worry; ACT
won't get anywhere with wanting to flood the country with guns . . .
A typical load of crap from you Rich. Or do you have a cite to support this imbecilic claim? Seymour is opposed to an ill considered knee jerk reaction to an Aussie possibly as crazy as you Rich.
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Labour
alone has got over 50% of the seats. Labour has the best result for
any party for the last 50 years, but the number of National voters who
switched from National to the ACT party probably prevented Labour from
doing better.
And this morning we heard that many farmers voted for Labour so that
Labour would not need the Green Party and would be able to govern
alone - forgetting that Labour and Green have some common policies . .
.
Post by John Bowes
That would have been because they could see what a useless bunch of Marxists Labour is. Hell you only have to look at Labours track record to see thatt unless your a comprehensionless imbecile like you or Keith!
As the farmer on Radio NZ said, they believe they can trust Labour
this next term . . .
A farmer? Speaking for himself was he Rich? Got a cite?
No need. Simply let RNZ's replay podcast sector together with your legendary "comprehension skills" guide you on your safe course to higher learning and enlightenment.
Why would I be silly enough to think RNZ to achieve that Keith? They're as silly as the msm, you and Rich! If you think that it shows what a failure your supposed superior education was.
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Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
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Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
It probably helped that for much of the year the National Party was
campaigning against themselves - and then fell apart towards the
election, but to get as close to 50% of all party votes they did
extremely well. Some polls had them over 50%, but with the wasted
votes for fringe parties like your favourite Advance Party, Labour
alone has got over 50% of the seats. Labour has the best result for
any party for the last 50 years, but the number of National voters who
switched from National to the ACT party probably prevented Labour from
doing better.
As it is, most seats that National did retain still had a higher
number of party votes for Labour than for National. Specials and
overseas votes are still to come, and they are likely to favour Labour
/ Green parties.
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<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers Labour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
Of course - she has said that she will work with all parties for the
good of New Zealand, and she will talk to the Green Party next week
about a more formal link, but your claim that she needed the Greens in
government for a majority is just you getting it wrong yet again.
Labour has a majority without the Greens, and special votes may well
make that a higher majority by taking another seat from National.
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Post by Rich80105
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300135573/election-2020-how-the-world-reacted-to-jacinda-arderns-landslide-victory.
Editorially neutral, simply reporting on and quoting from actual events and personalities worldwide of whatever political stipe.
BULLSHIT! From a serial bullshiter Keith :)
So prove it, John Bowes - give just one example of the article not
simply reporting and quoting from actual events and personalities that
supports your silly attitude. Perhaps you read too much of sites like
the bfd . . .
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
The MSM are hell bent on supporting the left controlling the world. Stalin's dream is coming to fruition purely because the left control the MSM!
As a whingeing cradle-to-grave beneficiary of socialism's unstinting provision of education, employment and, latterly, superannuation, your demented post speaks only of your own grotesque hypocrisy writ large.
Yet more highly coloured and biased crap from the king of crap!
There can be no bias in plainly stating irrefutable fact.
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The only difference between you and Rich Keith is you use longer words and make fewer spelling mistakes.
I deploy simple, common, everyday vocabulary that you persist in making make plain you are no match for. So whose fault is that, eh?
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Despite your own hypocritical belief in your superiority your words fit you to perfection!
But just think of it - couldn't the nightmare truth be that, in fact, you have always done little in life other than persistently confirm your belief in your own inferiority? What d'you reckon, Einstein?
Post by Rich80105
You hold the crown of stupid, John Bowes. James Christophers does
very well in giving clear lucid and well thought out posts, including
in this case a clear assessment of you and your motivations; do not
blame him for your lack of understanding of some of the words used, or
your inability to demonstrate that he is not absolutely correct.
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
As for any suggested politicising of the MSM, here's Sinéad Boucher's 2016 submission to the NZ Commerce Commision when she was the then group editor for Fairfax NZ. It's a long read but worth every minute spent doing so since it precisely delineates and articulates the author's views, journalistic ideals and practices and longer-term concerns as applied to independent authorship in the production and public dissemination of news, commentary and opinion.
https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/77593/Sinead-Boucher-Submission-on-NZME-Fairfax-draft-determination-25-November-2016.PDF
Self serving crap.
Precisely because, you unutterable ignoramus, it is a formal presentation offered for consideration and adjudication by a higher authority.
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Post by John Bowes
Now she's begging for people to donate to Stuff which persists in articles that are poorly (if at all) researched!
it is Boucher's right to seek donations both as owner of Stuff and its inclusion within the ambit of New Zealand's culture of a free and open press. In this, she follows in the steps of other respected journals of record such as The Guardian and the New York Times, both of which are among those very few international online papers enjoying the highest total readership globally. As for 'research', all yours ever amounts to (if at all) is a frantic rummage through your chaotic mental rat's nest of biases and prejudices to find the wonkiest possible fit to the topic in hand.
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Note: on 25 May this year, Boucher purchased Stuff for NZ$1.00. She deserves every thinking New Zealander's gratitude and support.
Why? Stuff like The Herald no longer is of any consequence as much of it is just repeating what the overseas MSM writes while attacking freedom of speech by not allowing discussion of climate change.
But you go along with your delusions of being a <Newsman> Keith and I'll keep laughing at your stupidity!
I shall always be happy to go along with the unarguable proposition that, among all comers, you bear the proud distinction of being this group's one and only self-annointed idiot.
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Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
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Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
It probably helped that for much of the year the National Party was
campaigning against themselves - and then fell apart towards the
election, but to get as close to 50% of all party votes they did
extremely well. Some polls had them over 50%, but with the wasted
votes for fringe parties like your favourite Advance Party, Labour
alone has got over 50% of the seats. Labour has the best result for
any party for the last 50 years, but the number of National voters who
switched from National to the ACT party probably prevented Labour from
doing better.
As it is, most seats that National did retain still had a higher
number of party votes for Labour than for National. Specials and
overseas votes are still to come, and they are likely to favour Labour
/ Green parties.
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<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers Labour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
Of course - she has said that she will work with all parties for the
good of New Zealand, and she will talk to the Green Party next week
about a more formal link, but your claim that she needed the Greens in
government for a majority is just you getting it wrong yet again.
Labour has a majority without the Greens, and special votes may well
make that a higher majority by taking another seat from National.
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Post by Rich80105
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300135573/election-2020-how-the-world-reacted-to-jacinda-arderns-landslide-victory.
Editorially neutral, simply reporting on and quoting from actual events and personalities worldwide of whatever political stipe.
BULLSHIT! From a serial bullshiter Keith :)
So prove it, John Bowes - give just one example of the article not
simply reporting and quoting from actual events and personalities that
supports your silly attitude. Perhaps you read too much of sites like
the bfd . . .
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The MSM are hell bent on supporting the left controlling the world. Stalin's dream is coming to fruition purely because the left control the MSM!
As a whingeing cradle-to-grave beneficiary of socialism's unstinting provision of education, employment and, latterly, superannuation, your demented post speaks only of your own grotesque hypocrisy writ large.
Yet more highly coloured and biased crap from the king of crap!
There can be no bias in plainly stating irrefutable fact.
The paragraph you are defending has zero facts in and only stupid claims typical of shysters and liars!
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The only difference between you and Rich Keith is you use longer words and make fewer spelling mistakes.
I deploy simple, common, everyday vocabulary that you persist in making make plain you are no match for. So whose fault is that, eh?
Simple? You might be Keith but your posts here are loaded with multibarrel words usually reserved for shysters and idiots like you trying to make themselves out to be better educated than they are in reality!
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Post by Rich80105
Despite your own hypocritical belief in your superiority your words fit you to perfection!
But just think of it - couldn't the nightmare truth be that, in fact, you have always done little in life other than persistently confirm your belief in your own inferiority? What d'you reckon, Einstein?
I reckon you're ignoring evidence and just lying in a vain attempt to boost your own flagging belief in yourself Keith. Rather sad but not uncommon amongst liars and nonagenarians :)
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Post by Rich80105
You hold the crown of stupid, John Bowes. James Christophers does
very well in giving clear lucid and well thought out posts, including
in this case a clear assessment of you and your motivations; do not
blame him for your lack of understanding of some of the words used, or
your inability to demonstrate that he is not absolutely correct.
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
As for any suggested politicising of the MSM, here's Sinéad Boucher's 2016 submission to the NZ Commerce Commision when she was the then group editor for Fairfax NZ. It's a long read but worth every minute spent doing so since it precisely delineates and articulates the author's views, journalistic ideals and practices and longer-term concerns as applied to independent authorship in the production and public dissemination of news, commentary and opinion.
https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/77593/Sinead-Boucher-Submission-on-NZME-Fairfax-draft-determination-25-November-2016.PDF
Self serving crap.
Precisely because, you unutterable ignoramus, it is a formal presentation offered for consideration and adjudication by a higher authority.
You agree then stoop to delusional abuse. A tactic so typical of trolls, shysters and hubris filled pommie bastards with a modicum of intelect!
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Now she's begging for people to donate to Stuff which persists in articles that are poorly (if at all) researched!
it is Boucher's right to seek donations both as owner of Stuff and its inclusion within the ambit of New Zealand's culture of a free and open press. In this, she follows in the steps of other respected journals of record such as The Guardian and the New York Times, both of which are among those very few international online papers enjoying the highest total readership globally.
<Delusional crap from the ng troll snipped>

Point out where I said she didn't have that right Keith? Free and open are not words applicable to Stuff! Just try and go against the herd in comments about climate change with luck only your post will be tossed. But keep it up and you'll have your account canceled. Freedom of speech is not part of Stuffs editorial policy! You'd do well their :)
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Note: on 25 May this year, Boucher purchased Stuff for NZ$1.00. She deserves every thinking New Zealander's gratitude and support.
Why? Stuff like The Herald no longer is of any consequence as much of it is just repeating what the overseas MSM writes while attacking freedom of speech by not allowing discussion of climate change.
But you go along with your delusions of being a <Newsman> Keith and I'll keep laughing at your stupidity!
I shall always be happy to go along with the unarguable proposition that, among all comers, you bear the proud distinction of being this group's one and only self-annointed idiot.
Bullshit! That's Rich by a country mile closely followed by you :)
btw one more N than needed in anointed Keith only proving it:)
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2020-10-19 05:03:44 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
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Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
It probably helped that for much of the year the National Party was
campaigning against themselves - and then fell apart towards the
election, but to get as close to 50% of all party votes they did
extremely well. Some polls had them over 50%, but with the wasted
votes for fringe parties like your favourite Advance Party, Labour
alone has got over 50% of the seats. Labour has the best result for
any party for the last 50 years, but the number of National voters who
switched from National to the ACT party probably prevented Labour from
doing better.
As it is, most seats that National did retain still had a higher
number of party votes for Labour than for National. Specials and
overseas votes are still to come, and they are likely to favour Labour
/ Green parties.
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<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers Labour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
Of course - she has said that she will work with all parties for the
good of New Zealand, and she will talk to the Green Party next week
about a more formal link, but your claim that she needed the Greens in
government for a majority is just you getting it wrong yet again.
Labour has a majority without the Greens, and special votes may well
make that a higher majority by taking another seat from National.
Bringing the Greens onside in whatever role Ardern decides, is both wise and logical. With Labour's slim 4-seat single-party majority and a short three year term that encourages our political élite to place campaigning ahead of all other concerns[1], it's no bad idea for Ardern to have a party already on-board that should provide a sufficiently large buffer when it comes down to the numbers on the day of reckoning.

[1] During her teary-eyed concession speech Collins declared that, from today, Monday, National's campaigning for the next election will be full on. Thus both Collins' and her party's prior concern and energies are to be concentrated solely on their own narrow electoral interests and never yours or mine.

When have they really ever been any different?
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2020-10-19 10:26:11 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
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Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
It probably helped that for much of the year the National Party was
campaigning against themselves - and then fell apart towards the
election, but to get as close to 50% of all party votes they did
extremely well. Some polls had them over 50%, but with the wasted
votes for fringe parties like your favourite Advance Party, Labour
alone has got over 50% of the seats. Labour has the best result for
any party for the last 50 years, but the number of National voters who
switched from National to the ACT party probably prevented Labour from
doing better.
As it is, most seats that National did retain still had a higher
number of party votes for Labour than for National. Specials and
overseas votes are still to come, and they are likely to favour Labour
/ Green parties.
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<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers Labour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
Of course - she has said that she will work with all parties for the
good of New Zealand, and she will talk to the Green Party next week
about a more formal link, but your claim that she needed the Greens in
government for a majority is just you getting it wrong yet again.
Labour has a majority without the Greens, and special votes may well
make that a higher majority by taking another seat from National.
Bringing the Greens onside in whatever role Ardern decides, is both wise and logical. With Labour's slim 4-seat single-party majority and a short three year term that encourages our political élite to place campaigning ahead of all other concerns[1], it's no bad idea for Ardern to have a party already on-board that should provide a sufficiently large buffer when it comes down to the numbers on the day of reckoning.
I agree. If not in 2023, then certainly by the 2026 election National
are likely to be closer to sorting themselves out, and having the
Green Party on side will be desirable. Besides, there are a few Green
Party people who have done well in the last term - I have mentioned
Eugenie Sage, Min of Conservation, and Shaw also did well in Climate
Change. There will need to be a sort out of Ministers, but the stars
are always in short supply in any government. It will be desirable for
some to be in Assistant psositions, either officially or unofficially
so that new MPs do not get thrown in the deep end. The experienced
Minisers from both Labor and Green can assist that training. A
Labour-led government will be active in ways that need a lot of
political energy - contrast Labours priorities with those of John Key
- sell off assets and bring income tax down!
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[1] During her teary-eyed concession speech Collins declared that, from today, Monday, National's campaigning for the next election will be full on. Thus both Collins' and her party's prior concern and energies are to be concentrated solely on their own narrow electoral interests and never yours or mine.
When have they really ever been any different?
Colins of course has an interest in the Nats regarding themselves as
campaigning - they probably guess by now that changing leaders does
not always bring you a gem like Jacinda - none of the other changes
helped Labour, and none of the changes this year by National helped
them at all. She will stay until the votecount is finished, but then
only as long as it takes to develop confidence in new MP Luxon.
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2020-10-19 20:41:59 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
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Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
It probably helped that for much of the year the National Party was
campaigning against themselves - and then fell apart towards the
election, but to get as close to 50% of all party votes they did
extremely well. Some polls had them over 50%, but with the wasted
votes for fringe parties like your favourite Advance Party, Labour
alone has got over 50% of the seats. Labour has the best result for
any party for the last 50 years, but the number of National voters who
switched from National to the ACT party probably prevented Labour from
doing better.
As it is, most seats that National did retain still had a higher
number of party votes for Labour than for National. Specials and
overseas votes are still to come, and they are likely to favour Labour
/ Green parties.
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
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<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers Labour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
Of course - she has said that she will work with all parties for the
good of New Zealand, and she will talk to the Green Party next week
about a more formal link, but your claim that she needed the Greens in
government for a majority is just you getting it wrong yet again.
Labour has a majority without the Greens, and special votes may well
make that a higher majority by taking another seat from National.
Bringing the Greens onside in whatever role Ardern decides, is both wise and logical. With Labour's slim 4-seat single-party majority and a short three year term that encourages our political élite to place campaigning ahead of all other concerns[1], it's no bad idea for Ardern to have a party already on-board that should provide a sufficiently large buffer when it comes down to the numbers on the day of reckoning.
[1] During her teary-eyed concession speech Collins declared that, from today, Monday, National's campaigning for the next election will be full on. Thus both Collins' and her party's prior concern and energies are to be concentrated solely on their own narrow electoral interests and never yours or mine.
When have they really ever been any different?
You call me a dingbat then post shit like this Keith? Your hubris runneth over fool!
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Why? Stuff like The Herald no longer is of any consequence as much of
it is just repeating what the overseas MSM writes while attacking
freedom of speech by not allowing discussion of climate change.
But you go along with your delusions of being a <Newsman> Keith and
I'll keep laughing at your stupidity!
The media whether print, radio or TV isn't what it used to be.
There are so many egos, so many political 'friendlies' and so many who
have a face and voice more suited to the print media.
That the 'news' papers advertise just how truthful they are and how
they need more money from itinerant Net readers should be a sufficient
warning that they're on the way out...
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2020-10-19 00:57:50 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
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Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers L:abour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
Post by Rich80105
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300135573/election-2020-how-the-world-reacted-to-jacinda-arderns-landslide-victory.
Editorially neutral, simply reporting on and quoting from actual events and personalities worldwide of whatever political stipe.
BULLSHIT! From a serial bullshiter Keith :)
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The MSM are hell bent on supporting the left controlling the world. Stalin's dream is coming to fruition purely because the left control the MSM!
As an whingeing cradle-to-grave beneficiary of socialism's unstinting provision of education, employment and, latterly, superannuation, your demented post speaks only of your own grotesque hypocrisy writ large.
Yet more highly coloured and biased crap from the king of crap! The only difference between you and Rich Keith is you use longer words and make fewer spelling mistakes. Despite your own hypocritical belief in your superiority your words fit you to perfection!
Post by James Christophers
As for any suggested politicising of the MSM, here's Sinéad Boucher's 2016 submission to the NZ Commerce Commision when she was the then group editor for Fairfax NZ. It's a long read but worth every minute spent doing so since it precisely delineates and articulates the author's views, journalistic ideals and practices and longer-term concerns as applied to independent authorship in the production and public dissemination of news, commentary and opinion.
https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/77593/Sinead-Boucher-Submission-on-NZME-Fairfax-draft-determination-25-November-2016.PDF
Self serving crap. Now she's begging for people to donate to Stuff which persists in articles that are poorly (if at all) researched!
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Note: on 25 May this year, Boucher purchased Stuff for NZ$1.00. She deserves every thinking New Zealander's gratitude and support.
Why? Stuff like The Herald no longer is of any consequence as much of it is just repeating what the overseas MSM writes while attacking freedom of speech by not allowing discussion of climate change.
As owner of Stuff it for Boucher alone, and certainly not some vexatious little dimbulb malcontent such as you, to decide what shall and shall not be published on her online platform. If you won't take my word for it, just ask her.
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Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
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I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers L:abour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300135573/election-2020-how-the-world-reacted-to-jacinda-arderns-landslide-victory.
Editorially neutral, simply reporting on and quoting from actual events and personalities worldwide of whatever political stipe.
BULLSHIT! From a serial bullshiter Keith :)
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The MSM are hell bent on supporting the left controlling the world. Stalin's dream is coming to fruition purely because the left control the MSM!
As an whingeing cradle-to-grave beneficiary of socialism's unstinting provision of education, employment and, latterly, superannuation, your demented post speaks only of your own grotesque hypocrisy writ large.
Yet more highly coloured and biased crap from the king of crap! The only difference between you and Rich Keith is you use longer words and make fewer spelling mistakes. Despite your own hypocritical belief in your superiority your words fit you to perfection!
Post by James Christophers
As for any suggested politicising of the MSM, here's Sinéad Boucher's 2016 submission to the NZ Commerce Commision when she was the then group editor for Fairfax NZ. It's a long read but worth every minute spent doing so since it precisely delineates and articulates the author's views, journalistic ideals and practices and longer-term concerns as applied to independent authorship in the production and public dissemination of news, commentary and opinion.
https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/77593/Sinead-Boucher-Submission-on-NZME-Fairfax-draft-determination-25-November-2016.PDF
Self serving crap. Now she's begging for people to donate to Stuff which persists in articles that are poorly (if at all) researched!
Post by James Christophers
Note: on 25 May this year, Boucher purchased Stuff for NZ$1.00. She deserves every thinking New Zealander's gratitude and support.
Why? Stuff like The Herald no longer is of any consequence as much of it is just repeating what the overseas MSM writes while attacking freedom of speech by not allowing discussion of climate change.
As owner of Stuff it for Boucher alone, and certainly not some vexatious little dimbulb malcontent such as you, to decide what shall and shall not be published on her online platform. If you won't take my word for it, just ask her.
She can publish whatever she likes Keith. If YOU weren't as big a dimbulb as you are you'd realise I'm a firm believer in freedom of speech along with many other freedoms. But guess like Rich comprehension isn't one of your strong points!
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Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
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Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers L:abour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
Post by Rich80105
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300135573/election-2020-how-the-world-reacted-to-jacinda-arderns-landslide-victory.
Editorially neutral, simply reporting on and quoting from actual events and personalities worldwide of whatever political stipe.
BULLSHIT! From a serial bullshiter Keith :)
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Post by John Bowes
The MSM are hell bent on supporting the left controlling the world. Stalin's dream is coming to fruition purely because the left control the MSM!
As an whingeing cradle-to-grave beneficiary of socialism's unstinting provision of education, employment and, latterly, superannuation, your demented post speaks only of your own grotesque hypocrisy writ large.
Yet more highly coloured and biased crap from the king of crap! The only difference between you and Rich Keith is you use longer words and make fewer spelling mistakes. Despite your own hypocritical belief in your superiority your words fit you to perfection!
Post by James Christophers
As for any suggested politicising of the MSM, here's Sinéad Boucher's 2016 submission to the NZ Commerce Commision when she was the then group editor for Fairfax NZ. It's a long read but worth every minute spent doing so since it precisely delineates and articulates the author's views, journalistic ideals and practices and longer-term concerns as applied to independent authorship in the production and public dissemination of news, commentary and opinion.
https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/77593/Sinead-Boucher-Submission-on-NZME-Fairfax-draft-determination-25-November-2016.PDF
Self serving crap. Now she's begging for people to donate to Stuff which persists in articles that are poorly (if at all) researched!
Post by James Christophers
Note: on 25 May this year, Boucher purchased Stuff for NZ$1.00. She deserves every thinking New Zealander's gratitude and support.
Why? Stuff like The Herald no longer is of any consequence as much of it is just repeating what the overseas MSM writes while attacking freedom of speech by not allowing discussion of climate change.
As owner of Stuff it for Boucher alone, and certainly not some vexatious little dimbulb malcontent such as you, to decide what shall and shall not be published on her online platform. If you won't take my word for it, just ask her.
She can publish whatever she likes Keith.
I've already told you this, you purposeless little clappermouth.
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If YOU weren't as big a dimbulb as you are you'd realise I'm a firm believer in freedom of speech along with many other freedoms.
Then know that freedom of speech does not extend to your having the right to have any dingbat nonsense of yours given voice to in a 100% privately owned publication.
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2020-10-19 20:39:55 UTC
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Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
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Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers L:abour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
Post by Rich80105
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300135573/election-2020-how-the-world-reacted-to-jacinda-arderns-landslide-victory.
Editorially neutral, simply reporting on and quoting from actual events and personalities worldwide of whatever political stipe.
BULLSHIT! From a serial bullshiter Keith :)
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Post by John Bowes
The MSM are hell bent on supporting the left controlling the world. Stalin's dream is coming to fruition purely because the left control the MSM!
As an whingeing cradle-to-grave beneficiary of socialism's unstinting provision of education, employment and, latterly, superannuation, your demented post speaks only of your own grotesque hypocrisy writ large.
Yet more highly coloured and biased crap from the king of crap! The only difference between you and Rich Keith is you use longer words and make fewer spelling mistakes. Despite your own hypocritical belief in your superiority your words fit you to perfection!
Post by James Christophers
As for any suggested politicising of the MSM, here's Sinéad Boucher's 2016 submission to the NZ Commerce Commision when she was the then group editor for Fairfax NZ. It's a long read but worth every minute spent doing so since it precisely delineates and articulates the author's views, journalistic ideals and practices and longer-term concerns as applied to independent authorship in the production and public dissemination of news, commentary and opinion.
https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/77593/Sinead-Boucher-Submission-on-NZME-Fairfax-draft-determination-25-November-2016.PDF
Self serving crap. Now she's begging for people to donate to Stuff which persists in articles that are poorly (if at all) researched!
Post by James Christophers
Note: on 25 May this year, Boucher purchased Stuff for NZ$1.00. She deserves every thinking New Zealander's gratitude and support.
Why? Stuff like The Herald no longer is of any consequence as much of it is just repeating what the overseas MSM writes while attacking freedom of speech by not allowing discussion of climate change.
As owner of Stuff it for Boucher alone, and certainly not some vexatious little dimbulb malcontent such as you, to decide what shall and shall not be published on her online platform. If you won't take my word for it, just ask her.
She can publish whatever she likes Keith.
I've already told you this, you purposeless little clappermouth.
I never claimed she couldn't you fucking imbecile!
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Post by John Bowes
If YOU weren't as big a dimbulb as you are you'd realise I'm a firm believer in freedom of speech along with many other freedoms.
Then know that freedom of speech does not extend to your having the right to have any dingbat nonsense of yours given voice to in a 100% privately owned publication.
Bullshit! Freedom od speech should give me that right! Next you'll be telling me we shouldn't be able to tell the truth about Islam and political party's!
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Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
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Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers L:abour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
Post by Rich80105
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300135573/election-2020-how-the-world-reacted-to-jacinda-arderns-landslide-victory.
Editorially neutral, simply reporting on and quoting from actual events and personalities worldwide of whatever political stipe.
BULLSHIT! From a serial bullshiter Keith :)
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Post by John Bowes
The MSM are hell bent on supporting the left controlling the world. Stalin's dream is coming to fruition purely because the left control the MSM!
As an whingeing cradle-to-grave beneficiary of socialism's unstinting provision of education, employment and, latterly, superannuation, your demented post speaks only of your own grotesque hypocrisy writ large.
Yet more highly coloured and biased crap from the king of crap! The only difference between you and Rich Keith is you use longer words and make fewer spelling mistakes. Despite your own hypocritical belief in your superiority your words fit you to perfection!
Post by James Christophers
As for any suggested politicising of the MSM, here's Sinéad Boucher's 2016 submission to the NZ Commerce Commision when she was the then group editor for Fairfax NZ. It's a long read but worth every minute spent doing so since it precisely delineates and articulates the author's views, journalistic ideals and practices and longer-term concerns as applied to independent authorship in the production and public dissemination of news, commentary and opinion.
https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/77593/Sinead-Boucher-Submission-on-NZME-Fairfax-draft-determination-25-November-2016.PDF
Self serving crap. Now she's begging for people to donate to Stuff which persists in articles that are poorly (if at all) researched!
Post by James Christophers
Note: on 25 May this year, Boucher purchased Stuff for NZ$1.00. She deserves every thinking New Zealander's gratitude and support.
Why? Stuff like The Herald no longer is of any consequence as much of it is just repeating what the overseas MSM writes while attacking freedom of speech by not allowing discussion of climate change.
As owner of Stuff it for Boucher alone, and certainly not some vexatious little dimbulb malcontent such as you, to decide what shall and shall not be published on her online platform. If you won't take my word for it, just ask her.
She can publish whatever she likes Keith.
I've already told you this, you purposeless little clappermouth.
I never claimed she couldn't you fucking imbecile!
Who ever said you had, you addle-brained loon?
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If YOU weren't as big a dimbulb as you are you'd realise I'm a firm believer in freedom of speech along with many other freedoms.
Then know that freedom of speech does not extend to your having the right to have any dingbat nonsense of yours given voice to in a 100% privately owned publication.
Bullshit! Freedom od speech should give me that right!
OK then - name just one source that authenticates your claim to the right to have your unhinged batshit noises published in any 100% privately owned publication.

In the meantime, consider the possibility that you might do better to spout your demented crap via your anus rather than through your teeth.
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Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
Not speaking for myself Rich.
Really? Who were yu speaking for then?
Not for fucking imbeciles like you Rich!
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Post by John Bowes
I wasn't stupid enough to work at putting the failure that is Labour in power with the Greens for three years. Hell even with seven months of campaigning Ardern STILL couldn't get over 50% on the night. Rather surprised only 300,000 odd voted today......
<utter crap snipped>
Move over Venezuela, Arderns going to make you look like a success story thanks to the fucking imbecilic Green party and it's imbecilic policy's!
Why do you think that, John Bowes? On tonights numbers L:abour can
govern alone, but I suspect they will work with other parties,
including at times with National.
Get your head out of your fucking arse imbecile! YOUR glorious leader has sad she wants the fucking Green party in government and needs it to have a clear majority!
While we only have election night numbers, it certainly seems that
Labour will have a clear majority without needing any other party,
John - 64 is more than half of 120; think about it.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! ARDERN has claimed she wants the Green party in her government!
Post by Rich80105
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300135573/election-2020-how-the-world-reacted-to-jacinda-arderns-landslide-victory.
Editorially neutral, simply reporting on and quoting from actual events and personalities worldwide of whatever political stipe.
BULLSHIT! From a serial bullshiter Keith :)
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Post by John Bowes
The MSM are hell bent on supporting the left controlling the world. Stalin's dream is coming to fruition purely because the left control the MSM!
As an whingeing cradle-to-grave beneficiary of socialism's unstinting provision of education, employment and, latterly, superannuation, your demented post speaks only of your own grotesque hypocrisy writ large.
Yet more highly coloured and biased crap from the king of crap! The only difference between you and Rich Keith is you use longer words and make fewer spelling mistakes. Despite your own hypocritical belief in your superiority your words fit you to perfection!
Post by James Christophers
As for any suggested politicising of the MSM, here's Sinéad Boucher's 2016 submission to the NZ Commerce Commision when she was the then group editor for Fairfax NZ. It's a long read but worth every minute spent doing so since it precisely delineates and articulates the author's views, journalistic ideals and practices and longer-term concerns as applied to independent authorship in the production and public dissemination of news, commentary and opinion.
https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/77593/Sinead-Boucher-Submission-on-NZME-Fairfax-draft-determination-25-November-2016.PDF
Self serving crap. Now she's begging for people to donate to Stuff which persists in articles that are poorly (if at all) researched!
Post by James Christophers
Note: on 25 May this year, Boucher purchased Stuff for NZ$1.00. She deserves every thinking New Zealander's gratitude and support.
Why? Stuff like The Herald no longer is of any consequence as much of it is just repeating what the overseas MSM writes while attacking freedom of speech by not allowing discussion of climate change.
As owner of Stuff it for Boucher alone, and certainly not some vexatious little dimbulb malcontent such as you, to decide what shall and shall not be published on her online platform. If you won't take my word for it, just ask her.
She can publish whatever she likes Keith.
I've already told you this, you purposeless little clappermouth.
I never claimed she couldn't you fucking imbecile!
Who ever said you had, you addle-brained loon?
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Post by John Bowes
If YOU weren't as big a dimbulb as you are you'd realise I'm a firm believer in freedom of speech along with many other freedoms.
Then know that freedom of speech does not extend to your having the right to have any dingbat nonsense of yours given voice to in a 100% privately owned publication.
Bullshit! Freedom od speech should give me that right!
OK then - name just one source that authenticates your claim to the right to have your unhinged batshit noises published in any 100% privately owned publication.
In the meantime, consider the possibility that you might do better to spout your demented crap via your anus rather than through your teeth.
Sorry Keith but I never follow your methods of posting here. Two arse talkers in the ng is one to many :)

Besides I don't need a source to defeat your bullshit. It tends to be self defeating when your hubris overflows Keith.
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Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have forgotten all the promises she failed with. Guess Keith is right: Kiwi's are stupid!
Speak for yourself, John . . . . but of course you are . . . .
The country has turned away from the sor of nastiness that your posts
epitomise.
The country has turned away from MMP, making the election an MMP referendum in all but name. Time for every politician, pundit and political scientist to put their thinking caps on and get down it.

In essence, the nation has turned virtually as one towards a stable central figure who has been commendably consistent and successful in her approach to an existential threat of a kind no individual, government or nation should be forced to grapple with. So, first and foremost, this has been an election based on a single issue to determine whether or not Ardern should continue to serve on the Treasury benches - and it's a resounding thumbs up. And Covid-19 will continue to be with us for a very long time.

Last evening, election panellist and political analyst and commentator Matthew Hooten declared that, statistically, this has been the most resounding victory any New Zealand political leader has ever pulled off. But remember, all the way down the line the election was Labour's to lose. Turned out the vast majority of electors thought otherwise - and in their unprecedented numbers. Someone has mentioned that only 300,000 voters turned out on election day. It seems he didn't know that an astonishing 1.9 million had already voted early. Indeed, something had at long, long last caused a quicking of the pulse in New Zealand's fusty, dim-lit body politic, and I reckon most voters knew exactly what it was. Collins certainly did, and didn't it just show, poor wee love, during her final week on the stump!

Beggars all belief, I know, but Collin's La-Z-Boy Papakura electorate gave its party vote to - oooops! - Labour. Loyal to a familiar name, maybe, but to her party? No siree! Having allowed Seymour single-handedly to gain an astonishing 10 seats against her pitiful total of 35, **plus** having only minority party support in her own electorate now makes it patently clear to both Collins and her party, and the rest of New Zealand, that she is a spent force. She should now take her dignified exit, but not without due honour for time served. The same goes for Goodfellow who is now a busted flush in his own right. Not now to do so would be nothing less than self-interested, tone-deaf arrogance.

Who should replace these two old-timers? That's for the stunned mullets of the National Party to sort out for themselves. After all, at a time like this, who would be so churlish as to intrude on their private grief?

As for Labour: at such a time, they have far more seriously unfinished business than is capable of being fully and swiftly handled by any government continuing in power. OK, too many promised deliveries are long overdue, we know, but for the next three years this task has to be accomplished, at least in part, against local and global economic headwinds no PM and party would wish to challenge.

However, from international finance's overarching perspective, this election outcome is good for them and good for New Zealand. Even so, fully exposed to so many adverse elements, Ardern is going to have her work cut out.

As is Collins as she gets down to doing precisely what she would have others do by shedding rather more than a wholesome kilo or several...
George
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Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the
benches and Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat
winning the Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party
polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country,
or just spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have
Kiwi's are stupid!
All those Covid TV spots
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John Bowes
2020-10-17 20:06:04 UTC
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:34:48 -0700 (PDT)
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Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the
benches and Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat
winning the Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party
polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country,
or just spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have
Kiwi's are stupid!
All those Covid TV spots
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All those fluff story's on the media. Anybody would think her shit don't stink :)
Rich80105
2020-10-17 21:49:34 UTC
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:34:48 -0700 (PDT)
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Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the
benches and Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat
winning the Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party
polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country,
or just spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
We forget Ardern's been campaigning since March! People have
Kiwi's are stupid!
All those Covid TV spots
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All those fluff story's on the media. Anybody would think her shit don't stink :)
You are the only person making that claim, John Bowes - do you think
you are an expert on shit stink?
John Bowes
2020-10-17 11:14:28 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
More like gratitude for being lucky enough to only have three community outbreaks of covid 19. I'm wondering when it comes thundering back to life now that we're travelling to aus.
Post by Gordon
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
The only thing we can be sure of Gordon is the government will talk and talk and talk about how they're going to fix all the problems we have. However as they've done for the last three years all they'll do is talk about it!
George
2020-10-17 19:06:31 UTC
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On 17 Oct 2020 07:44:08 GMT
Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the
benches and Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning
the Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not
favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or
just spin like a drunk teenager?
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
At last the petulant Peters has gone.
Along with the masturbating mobster and the medal cheat.
And Cindy has nowhere to hide.
100,000 houses, light rail, no child poverty....
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Crash
2020-10-18 06:53:30 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Well if the sampling is correct looks like NZ First is under the benches and
Labour might be able to drop the Greens and keep moving.
Interesting to see that even with the National electrol seat winning the
Pary vote is going to Labour. Read National party polices are not favoured.
So will Judith get rolled within 6 months?
By whom? If there was anyone else worthwhile they would have got the
nod ahead of Judith when Todd Muller resigned. Judith is not a
quitter, but neither was Hilary Clinton. National have 3 years to get
their act together for next time.
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Will the Labour Party be able to settle down and run the country, or just
spin like a drunk teenager?
Good question. They don't need to accommodate the Greens. They do
need to get rid of their reputation being all talk and no positive
measurable outcomes.
Post by Gordon
I also see that the member for Ilam may no longer be Mr Brownlee. At last.
No longer the member for Ilam but remaining in Parliament from the
list unless he chooses to resign. My pick is he will resign because
there is nothing more he can achieve now in Parliament.


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