Discussion:
Prince Charlie To Marry Parker Bowles On April 6
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E. Scrooge
2005-02-10 10:02:49 UTC
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Don't tell anyone, especially the papers. It's a big secret.

E. Scrooge
WeeWillyWonka
2005-02-10 10:19:33 UTC
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boorriinnggg.........

willy
geopelia
2005-02-10 10:49:09 UTC
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Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen, or will Prince Charles
abdicate?
I still remember all the kerfuffle over Wallis Simpson.

Geopelia
Karen Hayward-King
2005-02-10 15:14:31 UTC
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Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen, or will Prince Charles
abdicate?
According to what they're saying on the news at the moment, she will
become the Duchess of Cornwall and when/if Prince Charles makes it to
the throne, she will not become Queen but be known as the Princess
Consort.

Karen Hayward-King
t***@texas.usa.removethisbit...com
2005-02-10 17:57:34 UTC
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:14:31 -0800, Karen Hayward-King
Post by Karen Hayward-King
Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen, or will Prince Charles
abdicate?
According to what they're saying on the news at the moment, she will
become the Duchess of Cornwall and when/if Prince Charles makes it to
the throne, she will not become Queen but be known as the Princess
Consort.
Karen Hayward-King
Isn't that the female equivalent of what Queen Vic's husband, Prince
Albert, became?

I say, it's about time they tied the knot and likewise, good luck to
them!

Cath
Nicolaas Hawkins
2005-02-10 20:07:05 UTC
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:57:34 -0600,
Post by t***@texas.usa.removethisbit...com
Post by Karen Hayward-King
According to what they're saying on the news at the moment, she will
become the Duchess of Cornwall and when/if Prince Charles makes it to
the throne, she will not become Queen but be known as the Princess
Consort.
Karen Hayward-King
Isn't that the female equivalent of what Queen Vic's husband, Prince
Albert, became?
Yes, and it is also what HRH Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, now is.

Regards,
Nicolaas.

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Roger Dewhurst
2005-02-10 21:30:42 UTC
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Post by Nicolaas Hawkins
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:57:34 -0600,
Post by t***@texas.usa.removethisbit...com
Post by Karen Hayward-King
According to what they're saying on the news at the moment, she will
become the Duchess of Cornwall and when/if Prince Charles makes it to
the throne, she will not become Queen but be known as the Princess
Consort.
Karen Hayward-King
Isn't that the female equivalent of what Queen Vic's husband, Prince
Albert, became?
Yes, and it is also what HRH Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, now is.
No quite, I think. Neither Prince Albert nor Prince Philip could become
King, but I think that those marriages were not morganatic. However the
situation is different for Camilla. Since she would, in theory, become
Queen on marriage it was necessary to make this marriage morganatic.

R
Karen Hayward-King
2005-02-10 23:27:59 UTC
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:57:34 -0600,
Post by t***@texas.usa.removethisbit...com
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 07:14:31 -0800, Karen Hayward-King
Post by Karen Hayward-King
Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen, or will Prince Charles
abdicate?
According to what they're saying on the news at the moment, she will
become the Duchess of Cornwall and when/if Prince Charles makes it to
the throne, she will not become Queen but be known as the Princess
Consort.
Isn't that the female equivalent of what Queen Vic's husband, Prince
Albert, became?
Yes...Prince Albert was known as the Prince Consort.
Post by t***@texas.usa.removethisbit...com
I say, it's about time they tied the knot and likewise, good luck to
them!
Yep, I agree

Karen Hayward-King
Tarla
2005-02-11 00:18:52 UTC
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:27:59 -0800, Karen Hayward-King
Post by Karen Hayward-King
Post by t***@texas.usa.removethisbit...com
I say, it's about time they tied the knot and likewise, good luck to
them!
Yep, I agree
I'm just grateful that they won't be reproducing.
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Tarla
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"Bother," said Pooh as he buried Piglet's mangled corpse.
d***@paradise.net.nz
2005-02-11 03:12:13 UTC
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april 8th 2005.
buddha's birthday in japan ...
eclipse of the sun.

don.lotto
11.2.05
Leon Noel
2005-02-11 08:37:05 UTC
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On , , Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:57:34 -0600, Re: Prince Charlie To
Marry Parker Bowles On April 6,
Post by t***@texas.usa.removethisbit...com
Isn't that the female equivalent of what Queen Vic's husband, Prince
Albert, became?
He was indeed the Prince Consort, if he had lived longer no doubt
he would have recieved higher honours.
Post by t***@texas.usa.removethisbit...com
I say, it's about time they tied the knot and likewise, good luck to
them!
As an Anglican I am also pleased, I see no problems at all in
what is occuring.
Tarla
2005-02-10 18:48:57 UTC
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Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen, or will Prince Charles
abdicate?
I still remember all the kerfuffle over Wallis Simpson.
She will become Princess Consort if he becomes King. Otherwise she
will remain Duchess of Cornwall.
--
Tarla
****
"Bother," said Pooh as he buried Piglet's mangled corpse.
Newsman
2005-02-10 20:29:00 UTC
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Post by Tarla
Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen, or will Prince Charles
abdicate?
I still remember all the kerfuffle over Wallis Simpson.
She will become Princess Consort if he becomes King. Otherwise she
will remain Duchess of Cornwall.
The Porker Bowels family have few if any aristocratic connections. I
don't know what the world is coming to, I really don't.
Kerry
2005-02-10 22:29:03 UTC
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Post by Newsman
Post by Tarla
Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen, or will Prince Charles
abdicate?
I still remember all the kerfuffle over Wallis Simpson.
She will become Princess Consort if he becomes King. Otherwise she
will remain Duchess of Cornwall.
The Porker Bowels family have few if any aristocratic connections. I
don't know what the world is coming to, I really don't.
They are becoming what they have always been, ordinary (trite, immoral,
boring) people like the rest of us. Actually they've mostly been more
of all those things than the rest of us.....

God I hate the British aristocracy
Newsman
2005-02-10 22:54:46 UTC
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Post by Kerry
Post by Newsman
Post by Tarla
Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen, or will Prince Charles
abdicate?
I still remember all the kerfuffle over Wallis Simpson.
She will become Princess Consort if he becomes King. Otherwise she
will remain Duchess of Cornwall.
The Porker Bowels family have few if any aristocratic connections. I
don't know what the world is coming to, I really don't.
They are becoming what they have always been, ordinary (trite, immoral,
boring) people like the rest of us. Actually they've mostly been more
of all those things than the rest of us.....
God I hate the British aristocracy
But do you also hate them for their centuries of philanthropic and
nurturing patronage that has resulted in some of the finest and most
glorious examples of the works of humankind, and our ability and
freedom to see, hear, exploit and enjoy them?
Kerry
2005-02-10 23:01:14 UTC
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Post by Newsman
Post by Kerry
Post by Newsman
Post by Tarla
Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen, or will Prince Charles
abdicate?
I still remember all the kerfuffle over Wallis Simpson.
She will become Princess Consort if he becomes King. Otherwise she
will remain Duchess of Cornwall.
The Porker Bowels family have few if any aristocratic connections. I
don't know what the world is coming to, I really don't.
They are becoming what they have always been, ordinary (trite, immoral,
boring) people like the rest of us. Actually they've mostly been more
of all those things than the rest of us.....
God I hate the British aristocracy
But do you also hate them for their centuries of philanthropic and
nurturing patronage that has resulted in some of the finest and most
glorious examples of the works of humankind, and our ability and
freedom to see, hear, exploit and enjoy them?
Vastly outweighed by the years of murder and oppression no doubt. I'd
be interested in the body count

It's the hoorays I hate, those good-for-nothings that do nothing but
live off daddy's money, or probably grandaddy's money, look down their
noses at real people and use up good oxygen for no good purpose

You know, the sorts Wills and Harry go to parties with
Newsman
2005-02-11 01:58:23 UTC
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Post by Kerry
Post by Newsman
Post by Kerry
Post by Newsman
Post by Tarla
Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen, or will Prince Charles
abdicate?
I still remember all the kerfuffle over Wallis Simpson.
She will become Princess Consort if he becomes King. Otherwise she
will remain Duchess of Cornwall.
The Porker Bowels family have few if any aristocratic connections. I
don't know what the world is coming to, I really don't.
They are becoming what they have always been, ordinary (trite, immoral,
boring) people like the rest of us. Actually they've mostly been more
of all those things than the rest of us.....
God I hate the British aristocracy
What have they ever done to harm you?
Post by Kerry
Post by Newsman
But do you also hate them for their centuries of philanthropic and
nurturing patronage that has resulted in some of the finest and most
glorious examples of the works of humankind, and our ability and
freedom to see, hear, exploit and enjoy them?
Vastly outweighed by the years of murder and oppression no doubt. I'd
be interested in the body count
So you say, but that was then, and we now live in more enlightened
times. Their works and the evident treasures and glories of their
patronage - frequently charcterised by no more than philanthropy and
altruism - live on, yet that's all discounted in your balance sheet of
history, is it?
Post by Kerry
It's the hoorays I hate, those good-for-nothings that do nothing but
live off daddy's money, or probably grandaddy's money, look down their
noses at real people...
You've witnessed them dong just this, have you? It's safe here, so why
not unburden yourself further? Did one of them look down their nsoe at
you? Whatever did you do to deserve such censure, Kerry?

As for "real people"? What might they be, pray?
Post by Kerry
...and use up good oxygen for no good purpose
And what better use of oxygen might you make than they, anyway? Do
tell.
Post by Kerry
You know, the sorts Wills and Harry go to parties with
That's because they, in their immaturity, tend to make a hash of
trying to mimic the hoi-polloi. The common Kiwi louts and drunks
you'll find in the vicinity of The Fat Lady's Arms in Wellington most
weekends and late at night do it rather better, don't you agree?
Presumably these dregs of society are your "real people".

You'd prefer these repellent, bellicose thugs to those of Wills' and
Harry's stripe, would you?

(Newsman tries to waft away the stench of bitter and pitiful class
envy coming in his direction...)
Ryan Jacobs
2005-02-11 02:05:31 UTC
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***@hotmail.com (Newsman) provided this moment of wisdom....

<snip everything except.....>
Post by Newsman
(Newsman tries to waft away the stench of bitter and pitiful class
envy coming in his direction...)
Exactly the point.

Anyone that considers "class" as a modern day thing to be envyed - is
indeed a relic. If you like the Monarchy, class system, "I'm better
than you - cause I have money", so damn much - well piss off back to
dear olde mother England.

We (NZ) have moved into the modern era - we don't want or need your
ancient superioristic BS.

--
Kerry
2005-02-11 02:17:35 UTC
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Post by Newsman
(Newsman tries to waft away the stench of bitter and pitiful class
envy coming in his direction...)
Class envy? No , I've got far too much class for that.

I'd never taken you for a simperer.

Exit rooms backwards?
Tilly
2005-02-11 03:13:47 UTC
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Post by Kerry
You know, the sorts Wills and Harry go to parties with
Aren't they called 'Sloane Rangers' or something similar?
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Tilly

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Newsman
2005-02-11 05:20:53 UTC
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:13:47 +1300, "Tilly"
Post by Tilly
Post by Kerry
You know, the sorts Wills and Harry go to parties with
Aren't they called 'Sloane Rangers' or something similar?
Once were, back in the mists of time.

Do try to keep up, Tilly!
Tilly
2005-02-11 10:48:39 UTC
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Post by Newsman
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:13:47 +1300, "Tilly"
Post by Tilly
Post by Kerry
You know, the sorts Wills and Harry go to parties with
Aren't they called 'Sloane Rangers' or something similar?
Once were, back in the mists of time.
Do try to keep up, Tilly!
What are they called now?
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Tilly

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Leon Noel
2005-02-12 06:04:19 UTC
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On , , Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:48:39 +1300, Re: Prince Charlie To
Marry Parker Bowles On April 6, "Tilly"
Post by Tilly
Post by Newsman
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:13:47 +1300, "Tilly"
Post by Tilly
Post by Kerry
You know, the sorts Wills and Harry go to parties with
Aren't they called 'Sloane Rangers' or something similar?
Once were, back in the mists of time.
Do try to keep up, Tilly!
What are they called now?
The men are known as "Hooray Henrys".
Actually before the present Prince Henry was born.
Lady Diana Spencer was a Sloane Ranger.
Jay
2005-02-11 05:34:31 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by Kerry
You know, the sorts Wills and Harry go to parties with
Aren't they called 'Sloane Rangers' or something similar?
The ones who frequent the Kings Road/Sloane square are (were?) known as
Sloane Rangers.
Started around the Lady Di days.

Jay
Post by Tilly
--
Tilly
Axle
2005-02-10 23:13:54 UTC
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Post by Newsman
But do you also hate them for their centuries of philanthropic and
nurturing patronage that has resulted in some of the finest and most
glorious examples of the works of humankind, and our ability and
freedom to see, hear, exploit and enjoy them?
Where abouts in our fair country would we find such works to enjoy ?
Roger Dewhurst
2005-02-10 23:47:33 UTC
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Post by Axle
Post by Newsman
But do you also hate them for their centuries of philanthropic and
nurturing patronage that has resulted in some of the finest and most
glorious examples of the works of humankind, and our ability and
freedom to see, hear, exploit and enjoy them?
Where abouts in our fair country would we find such works to enjoy ?
But for the British monarchial system you would not have the benefit of
habeas corpus and juries to judge your guilt or innocence.

R
Axle
2005-02-11 00:26:39 UTC
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Post by Roger Dewhurst
Post by Axle
Post by Newsman
But do you also hate them for their centuries of philanthropic and
nurturing patronage that has resulted in some of the finest and most
glorious examples of the works of humankind, and our ability and
freedom to see, hear, exploit and enjoy them?
Where abouts in our fair country would we find such works to enjoy ?
But for the British monarchial system you would not have the benefit of
habeas corpus and juries to judge your guilt or innocence.
You don't think the Greeks might deserve credit for the jury ?
geopelia
2005-02-11 02:49:06 UTC
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Post by Axle
Post by Roger Dewhurst
Post by Axle
Post by Newsman
But do you also hate them for their centuries of philanthropic and
nurturing patronage that has resulted in some of the finest and most
glorious examples of the works of humankind, and our ability and
freedom to see, hear, exploit and enjoy them?
Where abouts in our fair country would we find such works to enjoy ?
But for the British monarchial system you would not have the benefit of
habeas corpus and juries to judge your guilt or innocence.
You don't think the Greeks might deserve credit for the jury ?
Look what happened to poor Socrates.
Newsman
2005-02-11 02:13:42 UTC
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:47:33 +1300, "Roger Dewhurst"
Post by Roger Dewhurst
Post by Axle
Post by Newsman
But do you also hate them for their centuries of philanthropic and
nurturing patronage that has resulted in some of the finest and most
glorious examples of the works of humankind, and our ability and
freedom to see, hear, exploit and enjoy them?
Where abouts in our fair country would we find such works to enjoy ?
But for the British monarchial system you would not have the benefit of
habeas corpus and juries to judge your guilt or innocence.
Nor, indeed, public schooling (grammar schools), orginally established
to educate the hoi-polloi 600 years or so ago.
Axle
2005-02-11 02:22:07 UTC
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Post by Newsman
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:47:33 +1300, "Roger Dewhurst"
Post by Roger Dewhurst
Post by Axle
Post by Newsman
But do you also hate them for their centuries of philanthropic and
nurturing patronage that has resulted in some of the finest and most
glorious examples of the works of humankind, and our ability and
freedom to see, hear, exploit and enjoy them?
Where abouts in our fair country would we find such works to enjoy ?
But for the British monarchial system you would not have the benefit of
habeas corpus and juries to judge your guilt or innocence.
Nor, indeed, public schooling (grammar schools), orginally established
to educate the hoi-polloi 600 years or so ago.
The Greeks and Romans again.
There isn't much culture in the UK that isn't an import.
Newsman
2005-02-11 02:33:28 UTC
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Post by Axle
Post by Newsman
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:47:33 +1300, "Roger Dewhurst"
Post by Roger Dewhurst
Post by Axle
Post by Newsman
But do you also hate them for their centuries of philanthropic and
nurturing patronage that has resulted in some of the finest and most
glorious examples of the works of humankind, and our ability and
freedom to see, hear, exploit and enjoy them?
Where abouts in our fair country would we find such works to enjoy ?
But for the British monarchial system you would not have the benefit of
habeas corpus and juries to judge your guilt or innocence.
Nor, indeed, public schooling (grammar schools), orginally established
to educate the hoi-polloi 600 years or so ago.
The Greeks and Romans again.
There isn't much culture in the UK that isn't an import.
Historically, one of its greatest strengths.
Ryan Jacobs
2005-02-11 02:43:12 UTC
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Post by Newsman
Post by Axle
There isn't much culture in the UK that isn't an import.
Historically, one of its greatest strengths.
So, your saying that it is a "strength" that the UK was totally devoid
of culture?

And yet.....................

--
Newsman
2005-02-11 05:23:59 UTC
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Post by Ryan Jacobs
Post by Newsman
Post by Axle
There isn't much culture in the UK that isn't an import.
Historically, one of its greatest strengths.
So, your saying that it is a "strength" that the UK was totally devoid
of culture?
No, *you* are suggesting that; I have never said it.

Britain has enjoyed both its proximity and its arm's length
relationship where Europe has been concerned, and it's paid off well
in so many ways.

You can obviously name most of the benefits fom the relationship, if
you have studied European history.
geopelia
2005-02-11 11:28:02 UTC
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Post by Newsman
Post by Ryan Jacobs
Post by Newsman
Post by Axle
There isn't much culture in the UK that isn't an import.
Historically, one of its greatest strengths.
The Scots and the Welsh have always had their own culture.

Around 400 years of Roman occupation brought their culture to Britain.
The invading Saxons etc were there for another 600 years or so. (Culture?
Well, they had a written language.) Then the Normans brought in the culture
of the France of those times.
Greek and Roman culture came in again with the Renaissance. Until the
dissolution of the monasteries, Christian culture flourished.
Immigrants throughout the centuries have brought in their own cultures.

Now with TV and the internet, all the world's culture is available to
Britain, as it is to all the developed world. Aren't we lucky today!
Post by Newsman
Post by Ryan Jacobs
So, your saying that it is a "strength" that the UK was totally devoid
of culture?
No, *you* are suggesting that; I have never said it.
Britain has enjoyed both its proximity and its arm's length
relationship where Europe has been concerned, and it's paid off well
in so many ways.
You can obviously name most of the benefits fom the relationship, if
you have studied European history.
geopelia
2005-02-11 11:31:17 UTC
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Post by Newsman
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:47:33 +1300, "Roger Dewhurst"
Post by Roger Dewhurst
Post by Axle
Post by Newsman
But do you also hate them for their centuries of philanthropic and
nurturing patronage that has resulted in some of the finest and most
glorious examples of the works of humankind, and our ability and
freedom to see, hear, exploit and enjoy them?
Where abouts in our fair country would we find such works to enjoy ?
But for the British monarchial system you would not have the benefit of
habeas corpus and juries to judge your guilt or innocence.
Nor, indeed, public schooling (grammar schools), orginally established
to educate the hoi-polloi 600 years or so ago.
They did a great job. Very sad that so many have had to become
"comprehensive" recently.
Long may the great Public Schools flourish!
Newsman
2005-02-11 20:38:20 UTC
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Post by geopelia
Post by Newsman
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:47:33 +1300, "Roger Dewhurst"
Post by Roger Dewhurst
Post by Axle
Post by Newsman
But do you also hate them for their centuries of philanthropic and
nurturing patronage that has resulted in some of the finest and most
glorious examples of the works of humankind, and our ability and
freedom to see, hear, exploit and enjoy them?
Where abouts in our fair country would we find such works to enjoy ?
But for the British monarchial system you would not have the benefit of
habeas corpus and juries to judge your guilt or innocence.
Nor, indeed, public schooling (grammar schools), orginally established
to educate the hoi-polloi 600 years or so ago.
They did a great job. Very sad that so many have had to become
"comprehensive" recently.
Long may the great Public Schools flourish!
I must declare a certain personal interest. My father taught at a UK
state grammar school, founded in the 16th century, from the late
1920's. In the early 60's it was obliged to change to the
comprehensive system. OK, so he was approaching retirement when such
change was perhaps a little more difficult to cope with, but even
allowing for that, the light went out in his eyes.

"Most of my working life I've been teaching children almost all of
whom have at least shown they cared. Now I get all and sundry, more
than half of whom *don't* care and are almost unteachable, distracted
and incorrigible. I am now expected to be a nanny and pastor to them".

He retired in the nick of time and then privately tutored the brighter
students for a number of years. Demand was heavy and his life remained
fulfilling and rewarding 'til near the end.

The church was packed to overflowing with his former grammar school
students.
geopelia
2005-02-12 02:28:51 UTC
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Post by Newsman
Post by geopelia
Post by Newsman
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:47:33 +1300, "Roger Dewhurst"
Post by Roger Dewhurst
Post by Axle
Post by Newsman
But do you also hate them for their centuries of philanthropic and
nurturing patronage that has resulted in some of the finest and most
glorious examples of the works of humankind, and our ability and
freedom to see, hear, exploit and enjoy them?
Where abouts in our fair country would we find such works to enjoy ?
But for the British monarchial system you would not have the benefit of
habeas corpus and juries to judge your guilt or innocence.
Nor, indeed, public schooling (grammar schools), orginally established
to educate the hoi-polloi 600 years or so ago.
They did a great job. Very sad that so many have had to become
"comprehensive" recently.
Long may the great Public Schools flourish!
I must declare a certain personal interest. My father taught at a UK
state grammar school, founded in the 16th century, from the late
1920's. In the early 60's it was obliged to change to the
comprehensive system. OK, so he was approaching retirement when such
change was perhaps a little more difficult to cope with, but even
allowing for that, the light went out in his eyes.
"Most of my working life I've been teaching children almost all of
whom have at least shown they cared. Now I get all and sundry, more
than half of whom *don't* care and are almost unteachable, distracted
and incorrigible. I am now expected to be a nanny and pastor to them".
He retired in the nick of time and then privately tutored the brighter
students for a number of years. Demand was heavy and his life remained
fulfilling and rewarding 'til near the end.
The church was packed to overflowing with his former grammar school
students.
A relative of mine took early retirement too, when his grammar school became
comprehensive. He also did private tutoring. I think the British education
system lost many good teachers over it.

My father taught for many years in a Secondary Modern, for children who did
not pass the 11 plus. He was greatly respected by his students, and taught
them at a level suitable for their abilities and interests. That school too
became comprehensive and combined with the local Grammar School, but after
his retirement. I wonder how the students coped with a more academic
education. Streaming would have worked, but would not be politically
correct.

In the grammar schools, we wanted to learn. School was not just a waste of
time until we could leave and go to work.
Everything was geared to passing School Certificate (before O levels came
in). The cost of the uniform etc was a burden to our parents, but they paid
and were proud of our abilities. Academically, we had much the same
education as in the Public Schools, though without all the extras and
optional subjects of course, and most grammar school pupils were day
scholars who did not get the advantages of boarders.

Did you watch the TV program "Teachers"? Who on earth would want to teach
in those conditions? I hope teachers today are not like those portrayed by
the actors!

Geopelia
Roger Dewhurst
2005-02-12 00:10:15 UTC
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Post by geopelia
Post by Newsman
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:47:33 +1300, "Roger Dewhurst"
Nor, indeed, public schooling (grammar schools), orginally established
to educate the hoi-polloi 600 years or so ago.
They did a great job. Very sad that so many have had to become
"comprehensive" recently.
Long may the great Public Schools flourish!
Did not Anthony Crosland the Labour Secretary for Education say that they
"would shut down every fucking grammar school in the country"? He nearly
succeeded.

R
Newsman
2005-02-11 02:02:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Axle
Post by Newsman
But do you also hate them for their centuries of philanthropic and
nurturing patronage that has resulted in some of the finest and most
glorious examples of the works of humankind, and our ability and
freedom to see, hear, exploit and enjoy them?
Where abouts in our fair country would we find such works to enjoy ?
There will be one or two, somewhere. Wherever there's a philanthropist
there's patronage. I know of several such people and their
contribution to New Zealand is as tangible as it is inestimable.

The vibrant New Zealand performing arts is just one area. Look around
you only to see and hear them for yourself.
Axle
2005-02-11 02:16:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Newsman
Post by Axle
Post by Newsman
But do you also hate them for their centuries of philanthropic and
nurturing patronage that has resulted in some of the finest and most
glorious examples of the works of humankind, and our ability and
freedom to see, hear, exploit and enjoy them?
Where abouts in our fair country would we find such works to enjoy ?
There will be one or two, somewhere. Wherever there's a philanthropist
there's patronage. I know of several such people and their
contribution to New Zealand is as tangible as it is inestimable.
The vibrant New Zealand performing arts is just one area. Look around
you only to see and hear them for yourself.
Nothing to do with UK aristocracy.
Newsman
2005-02-11 02:30:54 UTC
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Post by Axle
Post by Newsman
Post by Axle
Post by Newsman
But do you also hate them for their centuries of philanthropic and
nurturing patronage that has resulted in some of the finest and most
glorious examples of the works of humankind, and our ability and
freedom to see, hear, exploit and enjoy them?
Where abouts in our fair country would we find such works to enjoy ?
There will be one or two, somewhere. Wherever there's a philanthropist
there's patronage. I know of several such people and their
contribution to New Zealand is as tangible as it is inestimable.
The vibrant New Zealand performing arts is just one area. Look around
you only to see and hear them for yourself.
Nothing to do with UK aristocracy.
Indeed you're right, but I was illustrating a point about old-money
patronage which, in the past, was very much an element in a society
that included a generous and endowing aristocracy. The philosophy has
trickled down over the centuries, altering itself as times demand and,
much modified, is to be found here in New Zealand.

Some notable and generous New Zealanders reflect the traditions and
benevolence of the old British aristocracy, but patronage is now
largely the business of the corporates with a mercenary and, at times,
questionable quid pro quo.
Axle
2005-02-11 03:07:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Newsman
Post by Axle
Post by Newsman
Post by Axle
Post by Newsman
But do you also hate them for their centuries of philanthropic and
nurturing patronage that has resulted in some of the finest and most
glorious examples of the works of humankind, and our ability and
freedom to see, hear, exploit and enjoy them?
Where abouts in our fair country would we find such works to enjoy ?
There will be one or two, somewhere. Wherever there's a philanthropist
there's patronage. I know of several such people and their
contribution to New Zealand is as tangible as it is inestimable.
The vibrant New Zealand performing arts is just one area. Look around
you only to see and hear them for yourself.
Nothing to do with UK aristocracy.
Indeed you're right, but I was illustrating a point about old-money
patronage which, in the past, was very much an element in a society
that included a generous and endowing aristocracy. The philosophy has
trickled down over the centuries, altering itself as times demand and,
much modified, is to be found here in New Zealand.
Some notable and generous New Zealanders reflect the traditions and
benevolence of the old British aristocracy, but patronage is now
largely the business of the corporates with a mercenary and, at times,
questionable quid pro quo.
No more than they reflect the benevolent traditions of anyone else.
Any tradition of generosity and patronage that we may have is not a virtue
to be appropriated as justification for Hooray Henrys whose idea of
altruism is hiring a marquee for their chums at a polo match.
Tilly
2005-02-11 03:15:50 UTC
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Newsman wrote:
.
Post by Newsman
The vibrant New Zealand performing arts is just one area. Look around
you only to see and hear them for yourself.
What is the connection between the Performing Arts in NZ (of which I am a
huge fan) and the British aristicracy?
--
Tilly

***@yahoo.co.nz
Brian Dooley
2005-02-12 18:57:31 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:29:03 +1300, Kerry
Post by Kerry
Post by Newsman
Post by Tarla
Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen, or will Prince Charles
abdicate?
I still remember all the kerfuffle over Wallis Simpson.
She will become Princess Consort if he becomes King. Otherwise she
will remain Duchess of Cornwall.
The Porker Bowels family have few if any aristocratic connections. I
don't know what the world is coming to, I really don't.
They are becoming what they have always been, ordinary (trite, immoral,
boring) people like the rest of us. Actually they've mostly been more
of all those things than the rest of us.....
God I hate the British aristocracy
Why?

What have they done to you?
--
Brian Dooley

Wellington New Zealand
Newsman
2005-02-12 21:01:32 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:57:31 +1300, Brian Dooley
Post by Brian Dooley
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:29:03 +1300, Kerry
Post by Kerry
Post by Newsman
Post by Tarla
Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen, or will Prince Charles
abdicate?
I still remember all the kerfuffle over Wallis Simpson.
She will become Princess Consort if he becomes King. Otherwise she
will remain Duchess of Cornwall.
The Porker Bowels family have few if any aristocratic connections. I
don't know what the world is coming to, I really don't.
They are becoming what they have always been, ordinary (trite, immoral,
boring) people like the rest of us. Actually they've mostly been more
of all those things than the rest of us.....
God I hate the British aristocracy
Why?
What have they done to you?
--
I've already asked Kerry this but she appears unable to answer, except
to trot out generalised accusations of murder etc. against the UK
aristocracy en bloc.

She does, however, say, "(The aristocracy) are becoming what they have
always been, ordinary (trite, immoral, boring) people like the rest of
us".

So, not only is Kerry unequivocally declaring herself trite and boring
(I'll forebear to comment here), she even gratuitously labels "the
rest of us" as she would herself.

Some might say this is nothing less than a cringing collectivisation
of her self-identity exposing the insecurity of the class-envious, but
she'll presumably be able to explain it otherwise.

Let's see...
Kerry
2005-02-13 11:51:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brian Dooley
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:29:03 +1300, Kerry
Post by Kerry
Post by Newsman
Post by Tarla
Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen, or will Prince Charles
abdicate?
I still remember all the kerfuffle over Wallis Simpson.
She will become Princess Consort if he becomes King. Otherwise she
will remain Duchess of Cornwall.
The Porker Bowels family have few if any aristocratic connections. I
don't know what the world is coming to, I really don't.
They are becoming what they have always been, ordinary (trite, immoral,
boring) people like the rest of us. Actually they've mostly been more
of all those things than the rest of us.....
God I hate the British aristocracy
Why?
What have they done to you?
Cos they are horrid.

They exist. It's annoying.
N***@NOSPAM.invalid.com
2005-02-14 05:24:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
God I hate the British aristocracy
Why?
What have they done to you?
Cos they are horrid.
They exist. It's annoying.
Generally they do no harm and have often been the cause of much innocent
amusement.
If you want a class to hate try the British Middle Class.
Agreed!


Divine
--
Microsoft repeatedly suggests that its own internal schedules reflect the
"truth" of the preemptive announcements its executives were making. Internal
records, however, amply demonstrate that such schedules did not reflect
reality. For instance, Windows 3.0 had shipped in May 1990 -- just as
Microsoft began its vaporware announcements concerning MS-DOS 5.0. The
"Windows 3.0 Post Mortem" contained the following remarkable admissions:
Schedule
*Set by BillG (upper management) before feature definitions are outlined.
*Problem motivating people to achieve "fake" ship dates.
*Need to be more realistic in our schedules.
*Lying to people on the team about schedules. Morale hit to the team.
*How to separate out development schedules and the schedules we give to other
groups (USSMD or upper management) without appearing to "lie" to the product
team.
Brian Dooley
2005-02-14 03:53:56 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:51:14 +1300, Kerry
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:29:03 +1300, Kerry
Post by Kerry
Post by Newsman
Post by Tarla
Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen, or will Prince Charles
abdicate?
I still remember all the kerfuffle over Wallis Simpson.
She will become Princess Consort if he becomes King. Otherwise she
will remain Duchess of Cornwall.
The Porker Bowels family have few if any aristocratic connections. I
don't know what the world is coming to, I really don't.
They are becoming what they have always been, ordinary (trite, immoral,
boring) people like the rest of us. Actually they've mostly been more
of all those things than the rest of us.....
God I hate the British aristocracy
Why?
What have they done to you?
Cos they are horrid.
They exist. It's annoying.
Generally they do no harm and have often been the cause of much
innocent amusement.

If you want a class to hate try the British Middle Class.
--
Brian Dooley

Wellington New Zealand
Kerry
2005-02-14 10:04:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brian Dooley
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:51:14 +1300, Kerry
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:29:03 +1300, Kerry
Post by Kerry
Post by Newsman
Post by Tarla
Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen, or will Prince Charles
abdicate?
I still remember all the kerfuffle over Wallis Simpson.
She will become Princess Consort if he becomes King. Otherwise she
will remain Duchess of Cornwall.
The Porker Bowels family have few if any aristocratic connections. I
don't know what the world is coming to, I really don't.
They are becoming what they have always been, ordinary (trite, immoral,
boring) people like the rest of us. Actually they've mostly been more
of all those things than the rest of us.....
God I hate the British aristocracy
Why?
What have they done to you?
Cos they are horrid.
They exist. It's annoying.
Generally they do no harm and have often been the cause of much
innocent amusement.
If you want a class to hate try the British Middle Class.
They are in there too
geopelia
2005-02-14 10:26:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:51:14 +1300, Kerry
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:29:03 +1300, Kerry
Post by Kerry
Post by Newsman
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:49:09 +1300, "geopelia"
Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen, or will Prince Charles
abdicate?
I still remember all the kerfuffle over Wallis Simpson.
She will become Princess Consort if he becomes King. Otherwise she
will remain Duchess of Cornwall.
The Porker Bowels family have few if any aristocratic connections. I
don't know what the world is coming to, I really don't.
They are becoming what they have always been, ordinary (trite, immoral,
boring) people like the rest of us. Actually they've mostly been more
of all those things than the rest of us.....
God I hate the British aristocracy
Why?
What have they done to you?
Cos they are horrid.
They exist. It's annoying.
Generally they do no harm and have often been the cause of much
innocent amusement.
If you want a class to hate try the British Middle Class.
They are in there too
The British Middle Class have their faults, especially their social climbing
Hyacinth Bucket stuff, but they can be relied on to keep the country ticking
over somehow through wars, disasters and General Strikes.
Brian Dooley
2005-02-15 01:23:47 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:26:57 +1300, "geopelia"
Post by geopelia
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:51:14 +1300, Kerry
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:29:03 +1300, Kerry
Post by Kerry
Post by Newsman
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:49:09 +1300, "geopelia"
Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen, or will Prince
Charles
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Newsman
Post by geopelia
abdicate?
I still remember all the kerfuffle over Wallis Simpson.
She will become Princess Consort if he becomes King. Otherwise
she
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Newsman
will remain Duchess of Cornwall.
The Porker Bowels family have few if any aristocratic connections.
I
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Newsman
don't know what the world is coming to, I really don't.
They are becoming what they have always been, ordinary (trite,
immoral,
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
boring) people like the rest of us. Actually they've mostly been
more
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
of all those things than the rest of us.....
God I hate the British aristocracy
Why?
What have they done to you?
Cos they are horrid.
They exist. It's annoying.
Generally they do no harm and have often been the cause of much
innocent amusement.
If you want a class to hate try the British Middle Class.
They are in there too
The British Middle Class have their faults, especially their social climbing
Hyacinth Bucket stuff, but they can be relied on to keep the country ticking
over somehow through wars, disasters and General Strikes.
How many of them are plumbers, builders, electricians, motor
mechanics - they are the ones who keep the place ticking over.

The rest are just paper shufflers.
--
Brian Dooley

Wellington New Zealand
geopelia
2005-02-15 03:04:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brian Dooley
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:26:57 +1300, "geopelia"
Post by geopelia
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:51:14 +1300, Kerry
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:29:03 +1300, Kerry
Post by Kerry
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:48:57 +1300, Tarla
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:49:09 +1300, "geopelia"
Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen, or will Prince
Charles
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by geopelia
abdicate?
I still remember all the kerfuffle over Wallis Simpson.
She will become Princess Consort if he becomes King. Otherwise
she
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
will remain Duchess of Cornwall.
The Porker Bowels family have few if any aristocratic connections.
I
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
don't know what the world is coming to, I really don't.
They are becoming what they have always been, ordinary (trite,
immoral,
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
boring) people like the rest of us. Actually they've mostly been
more
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
of all those things than the rest of us.....
God I hate the British aristocracy
Why?
What have they done to you?
Cos they are horrid.
They exist. It's annoying.
Generally they do no harm and have often been the cause of much
innocent amusement.
If you want a class to hate try the British Middle Class.
They are in there too
The British Middle Class have their faults, especially their social climbing
Hyacinth Bucket stuff, but they can be relied on to keep the country ticking
over somehow through wars, disasters and General Strikes.
How many of them are plumbers, builders, electricians, motor
mechanics - they are the ones who keep the place ticking over.
The rest are just paper shufflers.
--
Brian Dooley
Wellington New Zealand
In a British war, the plumbers, builders etc are in the Forces. In a General
Strike, they are on strike. It is left to the Middle Class, especially the
middle-class women, to do the voluntary work and generally look after things
on the Home Front. Look how well they arranged the evacuation and billeting,
at short notice, of thousands of London children. The paper shufflers of
Whitehall just gave the orders.

In a disaster everybody rallies round if they are available, but it's
usually a middle class woman behind the tea urn, (or the Salvation Army of
course.)

I think it is fortunate though that New Zealand doesn't have a Middle Class
like the British one. Here it is money, not Class, that is important and
anybody can become a millionaire with hard work and a lot of luck. Nobody
will expect them to "Keep up appearances", or sneer because they come from
humble origins or haven't been to a private school.

Let's hope Britain is changing with the times. I rather doubt it though.

Geopelia
Brian Dooley
2005-02-17 23:13:11 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:04:48 +1300, "geopelia"
Post by Newsman
Post by Brian Dooley
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:26:57 +1300, "geopelia"
Post by geopelia
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:51:14 +1300, Kerry
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:29:03 +1300, Kerry
Post by Kerry
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:48:57 +1300, Tarla
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:49:09 +1300, "geopelia"
Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen, or will Prince
Charles
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by geopelia
abdicate?
I still remember all the kerfuffle over Wallis Simpson.
She will become Princess Consort if he becomes King. Otherwise
she
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
will remain Duchess of Cornwall.
The Porker Bowels family have few if any aristocratic
connections.
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by geopelia
I
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
don't know what the world is coming to, I really don't.
They are becoming what they have always been, ordinary (trite,
immoral,
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
boring) people like the rest of us. Actually they've mostly been
more
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
of all those things than the rest of us.....
God I hate the British aristocracy
Why?
What have they done to you?
Cos they are horrid.
They exist. It's annoying.
Generally they do no harm and have often been the cause of much
innocent amusement.
If you want a class to hate try the British Middle Class.
They are in there too
The British Middle Class have their faults, especially their social
climbing
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by geopelia
Hyacinth Bucket stuff, but they can be relied on to keep the country
ticking
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by geopelia
over somehow through wars, disasters and General Strikes.
How many of them are plumbers, builders, electricians, motor
mechanics - they are the ones who keep the place ticking over.
The rest are just paper shufflers.
In a British war, the plumbers, builders etc are in the Forces. In a General
Strike, they are on strike. It is left to the Middle Class, especially the
middle-class women, to do the voluntary work and generally look after things
on the Home Front. Look how well they arranged the evacuation and billeting,
at short notice, of thousands of London children. The paper shufflers of
Whitehall just gave the orders.
In a disaster everybody rallies round if they are available, but it's
usually a middle class woman behind the tea urn, (or the Salvation Army of
course.)
You've been watching too many old war films.
Post by Newsman
I think it is fortunate though that New Zealand doesn't have a Middle Class
like the British one. Here it is money, not Class, that is important and
anybody can become a millionaire with hard work and a lot of luck. Nobody
will expect them to "Keep up appearances", or sneer because they come from
humble origins or haven't been to a private school.
Money has always counted in the UK, but the preferred way to get
it has been to marry it.
Post by Newsman
Let's hope Britain is changing with the times. I rather doubt it though.
I don't care - and neither do my children.
--
Brian Dooley

Wellington New Zealand
geopelia
2005-02-18 02:28:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brian Dooley
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:04:48 +1300, "geopelia"
Post by Newsman
Post by Brian Dooley
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:26:57 +1300, "geopelia"
Post by geopelia
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:51:14 +1300, Kerry
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:29:03 +1300, Kerry
Post by Kerry
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:48:57 +1300, Tarla
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:49:09 +1300, "geopelia"
Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen, or will Prince
Charles
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by geopelia
abdicate?
I still remember all the kerfuffle over Wallis Simpson.
She will become Princess Consort if he becomes King. Otherwise
she
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
will remain Duchess of Cornwall.
The Porker Bowels family have few if any aristocratic
connections.
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by geopelia
I
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
don't know what the world is coming to, I really don't.
They are becoming what they have always been, ordinary (trite,
immoral,
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
boring) people like the rest of us. Actually they've mostly been
more
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
of all those things than the rest of us.....
God I hate the British aristocracy
Why?
What have they done to you?
Cos they are horrid.
They exist. It's annoying.
Generally they do no harm and have often been the cause of much
innocent amusement.
If you want a class to hate try the British Middle Class.
They are in there too
The British Middle Class have their faults, especially their social
climbing
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by geopelia
Hyacinth Bucket stuff, but they can be relied on to keep the country
ticking
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by geopelia
over somehow through wars, disasters and General Strikes.
How many of them are plumbers, builders, electricians, motor
mechanics - they are the ones who keep the place ticking over.
The rest are just paper shufflers.
In a British war, the plumbers, builders etc are in the Forces. In a General
Strike, they are on strike. It is left to the Middle Class, especially the
middle-class women, to do the voluntary work and generally look after things
on the Home Front. Look how well they arranged the evacuation and billeting,
at short notice, of thousands of London children. The paper shufflers of
Whitehall just gave the orders.
In a disaster everybody rallies round if they are available, but it's
usually a middle class woman behind the tea urn, (or the Salvation Army of
course.)
You've been watching too many old war films.
Watching them? I lived through those times!

"Mrs Miniver", though it may seem corny now, is a wartime film everyone
should see, about a middle class wife.
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
I think it is fortunate though that New Zealand doesn't have a Middle Class
like the British one. Here it is money, not Class, that is important and
anybody can become a millionaire with hard work and a lot of luck. Nobody
will expect them to "Keep up appearances", or sneer because they come from
humble origins or haven't been to a private school.
Money has always counted in the UK, but the preferred way to get
it has been to marry it.
Today one can become a pop singer instead!

However much money one can make in business, one remains "nouveau riche".
One can't buy class.
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
Let's hope Britain is changing with the times. I rather doubt it though.
I don't care - and neither do my children.
I'm not going back there after 50 years here, so I don't care either. I
would be a fish out of water in any "class" now.
I wouldn't "know my place" as they say there.
Post by Brian Dooley
--
Brian Dooley
Wellington New Zealand
Brian Dooley
2005-02-19 07:17:15 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:28:39 +1300, "geopelia"
Post by geopelia
Post by Brian Dooley
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:04:48 +1300, "geopelia"
Post by Newsman
Post by Brian Dooley
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:26:57 +1300, "geopelia"
Post by geopelia
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:51:14 +1300, Kerry
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:29:03 +1300, Kerry
Post by Kerry
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:48:57 +1300, Tarla
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:49:09 +1300, "geopelia"
Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen, or will
Prince
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
Post by Brian Dooley
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Charles
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Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
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abdicate?
I still remember all the kerfuffle over Wallis Simpson.
She will become Princess Consort if he becomes King.
Otherwise
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by geopelia
she
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
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will remain Duchess of Cornwall.
The Porker Bowels family have few if any aristocratic
connections.
Post by Brian Dooley
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I
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
don't know what the world is coming to, I really don't.
They are becoming what they have always been, ordinary (trite,
immoral,
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
boring) people like the rest of us. Actually they've mostly
been
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Post by Brian Dooley
Post by geopelia
more
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
of all those things than the rest of us.....
God I hate the British aristocracy
Why?
What have they done to you?
Cos they are horrid.
They exist. It's annoying.
Generally they do no harm and have often been the cause of much
innocent amusement.
If you want a class to hate try the British Middle Class.
They are in there too
The British Middle Class have their faults, especially their social
climbing
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by geopelia
Hyacinth Bucket stuff, but they can be relied on to keep the country
ticking
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by geopelia
over somehow through wars, disasters and General Strikes.
How many of them are plumbers, builders, electricians, motor
mechanics - they are the ones who keep the place ticking over.
The rest are just paper shufflers.
In a British war, the plumbers, builders etc are in the Forces. In a
General
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
Strike, they are on strike. It is left to the Middle Class, especially
the
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
middle-class women, to do the voluntary work and generally look after
things
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
on the Home Front. Look how well they arranged the evacuation and
billeting,
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
at short notice, of thousands of London children. The paper shufflers of
Whitehall just gave the orders.
In a disaster everybody rallies round if they are available, but it's
usually a middle class woman behind the tea urn,
That's because they're used to pushing their soppy husbands
around - they wouldn't do that with the tough Northern women.
Post by geopelia
(or the Salvation Army
of
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
course.)
My wife's father was a Sallie, and pedalled a
'stop-me-and-buy-one' tricycle filled with hot meat pies during
the Sheffield blitz, while his wife did the honours with the tea
urn back at the Citadel.

One night a hot chunk of shrapnel smashed through the roof and
bedroom ceiling, dropped onto the double bed and burned straight
through to the floor.

I can't help smiling about that every time I think about it.
Post by geopelia
Post by Brian Dooley
You've been watching too many old war films.
Watching them? I lived through those times!
Didn't we all?
Post by geopelia
"Mrs Miniver", though it may seem corny now, is a wartime film everyone
should see, about a middle class wife.
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
I think it is fortunate though that New Zealand doesn't have a Middle
Class
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
like the British one. Here it is money, not Class, that is important and
anybody can become a millionaire with hard work and a lot of luck. Nobody
will expect them to "Keep up appearances", or sneer because they come
from
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
humble origins or haven't been to a private school.
"Humble origins" - that's a bit 'olde worlde', kid.

For once I shall allow myself a LOL.
Post by geopelia
Post by Brian Dooley
Money has always counted in the UK, but the preferred way to get
it has been to marry it.
Today one can become a pop singer instead!
However much money one can make in business, one remains "nouveau riche".
One can't buy class.
One could always buy into the Middle Class - that's why they are
'middle', it's the next step up which was the hard one.

Usually achieved by the daughters of the monied middle,
especially Americans.
Post by geopelia
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
Let's hope Britain is changing with the times. I rather doubt it though.
I don't care - and neither do my children.
I'm not going back there after 50 years here, so I don't care either. I
would be a fish out of water in any "class" now.
I wouldn't "know my place" as they say there.
Poor you.
--
Brian Dooley

Wellington New Zealand
geopelia
2005-02-19 11:21:54 UTC
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Post by Brian Dooley
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:28:39 +1300, "geopelia"
Post by geopelia
Post by Brian Dooley
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:04:48 +1300, "geopelia"
Post by Newsman
Post by Brian Dooley
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:26:57 +1300, "geopelia"
Post by geopelia
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:51:14 +1300, Kerry
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:29:03 +1300, Kerry
Post by Kerry
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:48:57 +1300, Tarla
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:49:09 +1300, "geopelia"
Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen, or will
Prince
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by geopelia
Charles
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by geopelia
abdicate?
I still remember all the kerfuffle over Wallis Simpson.
She will become Princess Consort if he becomes King.
Otherwise
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by geopelia
she
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
will remain Duchess of Cornwall.
The Porker Bowels family have few if any aristocratic
connections.
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by geopelia
I
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
don't know what the world is coming to, I really don't.
They are becoming what they have always been, ordinary (trite,
immoral,
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
boring) people like the rest of us. Actually they've mostly
been
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by geopelia
more
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Kerry
of all those things than the rest of us.....
God I hate the British aristocracy
Why?
What have they done to you?
Cos they are horrid.
They exist. It's annoying.
Generally they do no harm and have often been the cause of much
innocent amusement.
If you want a class to hate try the British Middle Class.
They are in there too
The British Middle Class have their faults, especially their social
climbing
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by geopelia
Hyacinth Bucket stuff, but they can be relied on to keep the country
ticking
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by geopelia
over somehow through wars, disasters and General Strikes.
How many of them are plumbers, builders, electricians, motor
mechanics - they are the ones who keep the place ticking over.
The rest are just paper shufflers.
In a British war, the plumbers, builders etc are in the Forces. In a
General
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
Strike, they are on strike. It is left to the Middle Class, especially
the
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
middle-class women, to do the voluntary work and generally look after
things
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
on the Home Front. Look how well they arranged the evacuation and
billeting,
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
at short notice, of thousands of London children. The paper shufflers of
Whitehall just gave the orders.
In a disaster everybody rallies round if they are available, but it's
usually a middle class woman behind the tea urn,
That's because they're used to pushing their soppy husbands
around - they wouldn't do that with the tough Northern women.
Post by geopelia
(or the Salvation Army
of
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
course.)
My wife's father was a Sallie, and pedalled a
'stop-me-and-buy-one' tricycle filled with hot meat pies during
the Sheffield blitz, while his wife did the honours with the tea
urn back at the Citadel.
One night a hot chunk of shrapnel smashed through the roof and
bedroom ceiling, dropped onto the double bed and burned straight
through to the floor.
I can't help smiling about that every time I think about it.
It wouldn't have been very funny if they were in the bed!
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by geopelia
Post by Brian Dooley
You've been watching too many old war films.
Watching them? I lived through those times!
Didn't we all?
Not the young kids today. Some of them just don't have a clue, and think
"Hogan's Heroes" is true to life!
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by geopelia
"Mrs Miniver", though it may seem corny now, is a wartime film everyone
should see, about a middle class wife.
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
I think it is fortunate though that New Zealand doesn't have a Middle
Class
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
like the British one. Here it is money, not Class, that is important and
anybody can become a millionaire with hard work and a lot of luck. Nobody
will expect them to "Keep up appearances", or sneer because they come
from
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
humble origins or haven't been to a private school.
"Humble origins" - that's a bit 'olde worlde', kid.
For once I shall allow myself a LOL.
What would you say? "Poor working class families"? Sounds a bit snobbish to
me.
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by geopelia
Post by Brian Dooley
Money has always counted in the UK, but the preferred way to get
it has been to marry it.
Today one can become a pop singer instead!
However much money one can make in business, one remains "nouveau riche".
One can't buy class.
One could always buy into the Middle Class - that's why they are
'middle', it's the next step up which was the hard one.
Usually achieved by the daughters of the monied middle,
especially Americans.
Buying into the Middle Class was not so easy. Having enough money to send
one's children to University, (if they had been to Grammar Schools and could
pass the exams), so they could become doctors, lawyers or teachers etc, was
one way to ensure the next generation was Middle Class.
Just having the money without the manners didn't work. There were so many
small mistakes a social climber could make. (Remember U and Non U?) They
just got laughed at behind their backs.
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by geopelia
Post by Brian Dooley
Post by Newsman
Let's hope Britain is changing with the times. I rather doubt it though.
I don't care - and neither do my children.
I'm not going back there after 50 years here, so I don't care either. I
would be a fish out of water in any "class" now.
I wouldn't "know my place" as they say there.
Poor you.
Why poor (except money-wise)? I'm happy here.
Post by Brian Dooley
--
Brian Dooley
Wellington New Zealand
t***@texas.usa.removethisbit...com
2005-02-10 23:42:36 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:29:00 GMT, ***@hotmail.com (Newsman) wrote:
[msge snipped]

She was a Shand before P-B.
Her line goes back to Charles II Stuart.

Cath
Newsman
2005-02-11 01:34:48 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:42:36 -0600,
Post by t***@texas.usa.removethisbit...com
[msge snipped]
She was a Shand before P-B.
Her line goes back to Charles II Stuart.
Nothing special about that, either, but how can you be sure of what
you say?

And in any case, most British stock has lineage connected in some way
to royalty, with a good helping of bastardy thrown in.
Brian Dooley
2005-02-12 18:57:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Newsman
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:42:36 -0600,
Post by t***@texas.usa.removethisbit...com
[msge snipped]
She was a Shand before P-B.
Her line goes back to Charles II Stuart.
Nothing special about that, either, but how can you be sure of what
you say?
And in any case, most British stock has lineage connected in some way
to royalty, with a good helping of bastardy thrown in.
Especially if they go back to Charles II.
--
Brian Dooley

Wellington New Zealand
Tilly
2005-02-11 03:20:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by t***@texas.usa.removethisbit...com
[msge snipped]
She was a Shand before P-B.
Her line goes back to Charles II Stuart.
Cath
Her grandmother was Mrs Kepple the famous royal mistress of King Edward
V11
--
Tilly

***@yahoo.co.nz
Tarla
2005-02-11 04:02:32 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:20:54 +1300, "Tilly"
Post by Tilly
Post by t***@texas.usa.removethisbit...com
[msge snipped]
She was a Shand before P-B.
Her line goes back to Charles II Stuart.
Cath
Her grandmother was Mrs Kepple the famous royal mistress of King Edward
V11
Ah...so she comes from a long line of distinguished sluts.
--
Tarla
****
"Bother," said Pooh as he buried Piglet's mangled corpse.
geopelia
2005-02-12 02:31:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tilly
Post by t***@texas.usa.removethisbit...com
[msge snipped]
She was a Shand before P-B.
Her line goes back to Charles II Stuart.
Cath
Diana also decended from the Stuarts. Prince William should be acceptable to
the Jacobites, if any are still around.
Post by Tilly
Her grandmother was Mrs Kepple the famous royal mistress of King Edward
V11
--
Tilly
Tilly
2005-02-11 03:33:40 UTC
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Post by Newsman
The Porker Bowels family have few if any aristocratic connections. I
don't know what the world is coming to, I really don't.
.............................

Here is a story of Victorian politics: In a general election in the 1860s,
Benjamin Disraeli was running against the incorrigible womanizer Lord
Palmerston, who was still Prime Minister well into his 80s. Octogenarian
Casanova that he was, Palmerston had fathered an illegitimate child with a
"low-born" woman in his constituency. Disraeli's campaign manager urged him
to reveal Palmerston's shocking debauchery to the electorate (an early
example of the "negative campaign"). Disraeli refused categorically. "If we
do," he answered, "the old man will win a landslide!"

Disraeli was right: the British combine primness with a love of titillating
scandal and bawdiness that goes back to Chaucer's outrageous farting and
fornicating poetry. The British have always taken a sincere delight in
chronicling the wicked ways of their rulers. This is quite different from
the usual American view of the British as thin-lipped, pale people who
cannot have fun.

On the contrary, the tabloid press in Britain is the rudest, most
bumptious--and most powerful--in the world. The Sun, for example, sells five
million copies every day, more than any other single U.S. newspaper. The
tabloids actually have the power to dictate to Buckingham Palace. *So the
British expect the impossible of their monarchy: Drim public service on one
hand, entertainment on the other*.
--
Full article:
http://cms.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-19920701-000026.html



Tilly

***@yahoo.co.nz
Tilly
2005-02-11 03:35:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Newsman
The Porker Bowels family have few if any aristocratic connections. I
don't know what the world is coming to, I really don't.
Her great grandmother was one of Enland's famous 'royal mistresses'. (some
would say whores).
--
Tilly

***@yahoo.co.nz
Tilly
2005-02-11 03:46:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tilly
Post by Newsman
The Porker Bowels family have few if any aristocratic connections. I
don't know what the world is coming to, I really don't.
Her great grandmother was one of Enland's famous 'royal mistresses'.
(some would say whores).
Correction: England's.

I have heard it said that Camilla has carried on the family tradition, but
she gets 'her man'.


Berties final mistress is the most famous of all not only because she is
rumored to be the only one that Queen Alexandra tolerated, but because her
daughter, Sonia, is reported to be Edward VII's daughter and Sonia is the
great-grandmother of the mistress of the current Prince of Wales, Camilla
Shand Parker-Bowles. Alice was born in Scotland to a titled family who was
not wealthy. She married Colonel George Keppel in 1891 and gave birth to
her first daughter, Violet, in 1894. Violet was to become more famous as
the lover of writer Vita Sackville-West than for her own writing. Alice
became Bertie's mistress in 1898 and gave birth to her daughter, Sonia, in
1900. Alice was unique among mistresses as she was viewed as a loyal to the
king and with no agenda - not even a hidden one! It is said that she and
her husband viewed her affair with the king as their duty to the crown and
he was actually quite proud of the fact. Alice is also remembered for being
good-natured with a deep, husky voice that the king found both soothing and
seductive (like Camilla's?). Though she was Bertie's mistress for the final
12 years of his life, she supposedly did not influence any of his decisions,
nor did she affect the fashion of the time. She spent her final years after
1910, the year of the king's death, with her husband who died two weeks
after she did in 1947.

Refer: http://www.etoile.co.uk/Muse/010316.html



***@yahoo.co.nz
E. Scrooge
2005-02-11 04:11:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tilly
Post by Tilly
Post by Newsman
The Porker Bowels family have few if any aristocratic connections. I
don't know what the world is coming to, I really don't.
Her great grandmother was one of Enland's famous 'royal mistresses'.
(some would say whores).
Correction: England's.
I have heard it said that Camilla has carried on the family tradition, but
she gets 'her man'.
She's already had him for many years.

E. Scrooge
Jay
2005-02-11 05:37:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by E. Scrooge
Post by Tilly
Post by Tilly
Post by Newsman
The Porker Bowels family have few if any aristocratic connections. I
don't know what the world is coming to, I really don't.
Her great grandmother was one of Enland's famous 'royal mistresses'.
(some would say whores).
Correction: England's.
I have heard it said that Camilla has carried on the family tradition, but
she gets 'her man'.
She's already had him for many years.
E. Scrooge
If her wedding dress has a train(??) I suggest they not pick a narrow white
one lest she be mistaken for the tampon that Charles wanted to be.

Jay
Tilly
2005-02-11 10:50:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jay
If her wedding dress has a train(??) I suggest they not pick a narrow
white one lest she be mistaken for the tampon that Charles wanted to
be.
Jay
Just as lo9ng we don't see her cavorting on the beach half naked.
--
Tilly

***@yahoo.co.nz
A L P
2005-02-11 06:34:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tilly
I have heard it said that Camilla has carried on the family tradition, but
she gets 'her man'.
Despite their differences in rank they seem - to me anyway - to be very
much equals whose relationship is a good strong one, not the sort where
one party "gets" the other. Or perhaps they both did - she got her man
and he got his woman. Good luck to them anyway. They haven't done
everything right by their respective spouses but I'm envious of the
steadfastness of their love for each other.

A L P
Jay
2005-02-11 08:17:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by A L P
Post by Tilly
I have heard it said that Camilla has carried on the family tradition, but
she gets 'her man'.
Despite their differences in rank they seem - to me anyway - to be very
much equals whose relationship is a good strong one, not the sort where
one party "gets" the other. Or perhaps they both did - she got her man
and he got his woman. Good luck to them anyway. They haven't done
everything right by their respective spouses but I'm envious of the
steadfastness of their love for each other.
With their history they'll be together forever.
*cue mushy ballad*

Jay
Post by A L P
A L P
Tarla
2005-02-11 18:18:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by A L P
Post by Tilly
I have heard it said that Camilla has carried on the family tradition, but
she gets 'her man'.
Despite their differences in rank they seem - to me anyway - to be very
much equals whose relationship is a good strong one, not the sort where
one party "gets" the other. Or perhaps they both did - she got her man
and he got his woman. Good luck to them anyway. They haven't done
everything right by their respective spouses but I'm envious of the
steadfastness of their love for each other.
That's a good point, Agnes. If it hadn't been for all the Royal
bullshit that went on, he and Camilla would have been married from the
get go and the heir and the spare would BOTH be his.
--
Tarla
****
"Bother," said Pooh as he buried Piglet's mangled corpse.
Roger Dewhurst
2005-02-10 21:26:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen,
No. It will be a morganatic marriage.
Post by geopelia
or will Prince Charles
abdicate?
I still remember all the kerfuffle over Wallis Simpson.
That dates you a wee bit!

R
geopelia
2005-02-11 02:47:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roger Dewhurst
Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen,
No. It will be a morganatic marriage.
Post by geopelia
or will Prince Charles
abdicate?
I still remember all the kerfuffle over Wallis Simpson.
That dates you a wee bit!
R
"Hark the Herald Angels sing
Mrs Simpson's pinched our King"

We kids were all singing that.
There was also a most unseemly limerick that went "There was a young Monarch
named Ted...."

Gentle reader, I'll spare you the rest of it!

Geopelia
Roger Dewhurst
2005-02-11 02:56:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by geopelia
Post by Roger Dewhurst
Post by geopelia
Post by WeeWillyWonka
boorriinnggg.........
willy
Good luck to them! But will she become Queen,
No. It will be a morganatic marriage.
Post by geopelia
or will Prince Charles
abdicate?
I still remember all the kerfuffle over Wallis Simpson.
That dates you a wee bit!
R
"Hark the Herald Angels sing
Mrs Simpson's pinched our King"
We kids were all singing that.
There was also a most unseemly limerick that went "There was a young Monarch
named Ted...."
Gentle reader, I'll spare you the rest of it!
I'm not that gentle, just email it to me.

R
Post by geopelia
Geopelia
Peter Metcalfe
2005-02-11 03:04:38 UTC
Permalink
In article <LZUOd.546$***@news.xtra.co.nz>, ***@xtra.co.nz
says...
Post by geopelia
"Hark the Herald Angels sing
Mrs Simpson's pinched our King"
Reportedly at the time you were singing it, the matter
was still a state secret.

--Peter Metcalfe
geopelia
2005-02-11 11:50:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Metcalfe
says...
Post by geopelia
"Hark the Herald Angels sing
Mrs Simpson's pinched our King"
Reportedly at the time you were singing it, the matter
was still a state secret.
--Peter Metcalfe
Officially perhaps, the British newspapers were not allowed to mention it,
(though overseas papers did), but people knew about it. I'm not sure whether
the kids' song came in after the news came out, but kids have their own very
efficient grapevine and it spread like wildfire. (Of course, it is a parody
of a famous carol.)
A L P
2005-02-11 02:57:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by geopelia
"Hark the Herald Angels sing
Mrs Simpson's pinched our King"
We kids were all singing that.
There was also a most unseemly limerick that went "There was a young Monarch
named Ted...."
Gentle reader, I'll spare you the rest of it!
Spoilsport!

A L P
John Cawston
2005-02-11 03:44:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by A L P
Post by geopelia
"Hark the Herald Angels sing
Mrs Simpson's pinched our King"
We kids were all singing that.
There was also a most unseemly limerick that went "There was a young Monarch
named Ted...."
Gentle reader, I'll spare you the rest of it!
Spoilsport!
I googled for this but didnt find it.

However, as they say, research is never futile, and I found
this:

http://www.sexualrecords.com/WSRtechnique.html

JC
Post by A L P
A L P
Funnyweb
2005-02-10 19:58:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by E. Scrooge
Don't tell anyone, especially the papers. It's a big secret.
E. Scrooge
Why is this marriage even being alowed to happen?

Edward VIII was not allowed to marry his divorcee girlfriend, Princess
Margaret was not allowed to marry her divorcee boyfriend. So why should
Charlie be allowed his divorcee?

/\(**)/\
Peter Metcalfe
2005-02-10 20:23:57 UTC
Permalink
In article <u1POd.454$***@news.xtra.co.nz>, ***@eggstra.co.au
says...
Post by Funnyweb
Why is this marriage even being alowed to happen?
Loose morals of our time.
Post by Funnyweb
Edward VIII was not allowed to marry his divorcee girlfriend,
He could have had a morganic marriage but since nobody liked the
prick, they offered him only the throne or the woman.
Post by Funnyweb
Princess
Margaret was not allowed to marry her divorcee boyfriend.
Perhaps her family felt that a mere Group Captain was unacceptable?
Post by Funnyweb
So why should
Charlie be allowed his divorcee?
Because Princess Anne has been allowed to remarry.

--Peter Metcalfe
Roger Dewhurst
2005-02-10 21:38:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Metcalfe
says...
Post by Funnyweb
Why is this marriage even being alowed to happen?
Loose morals of our time.
Post by Funnyweb
Edward VIII was not allowed to marry his divorcee girlfriend,
He could have had a morganic marriage but since nobody liked the
prick, they offered him only the throne or the woman.
Post by Funnyweb
Princess
Margaret was not allowed to marry her divorcee boyfriend.
Perhaps her family felt that a mere Group Captain was unacceptable?
I doubt that. Armstrong-Jones was a mere photographer!
Post by Peter Metcalfe
Post by Funnyweb
So why should
Charlie be allowed his divorcee?
Because Princess Anne has been allowed to remarry.
It is much more complex than that, but you were nearer the mark at the top
of your post.

R
Tarla
2005-02-10 22:03:20 UTC
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:23:57 +1300, Peter Metcalfe
Post by Peter Metcalfe
says...
Post by Funnyweb
Why is this marriage even being alowed to happen?
Loose morals of our time.
What's so loose about him marrying her instead of just continuing to
bang her without benefit of committment?
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Tarla
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"Bother," said Pooh as he buried Piglet's mangled corpse.
geopelia
2005-02-10 20:40:05 UTC
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Post by Funnyweb
Post by E. Scrooge
Don't tell anyone, especially the papers. It's a big secret.
E. Scrooge
Why is this marriage even being alowed to happen?
Edward VIII was not allowed to marry his divorcee girlfriend, Princess
Margaret was not allowed to marry her divorcee boyfriend. So why should
Charlie be allowed his divorcee?
/\(**)/\
This is the 21st century. Of course they should be allowed to marry. She
seems the kind of person who will be a great help to Prince Charles in
carrying out his duties.

No doubt the Church of England (of which Charles will be Head) will be able
to sort out any religious objections.

The titles suggested for her are entirely suitable.

Geopelia
Tilly
2005-02-11 03:23:44 UTC
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This is the 21st century. Of course they should be allowed to marry.
She seems the kind of person who will be a great help to Prince
Charles in carrying out his duties.
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....and she is not of childbearing age ,which no doubt comes as a great
relief to the Queen and the C of E.
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Tilly

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geopelia
2005-02-11 11:55:09 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by geopelia
This is the 21st century. Of course they should be allowed to marry.
She seems the kind of person who will be a great help to Prince
Charles in carrying out his duties.
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....and she is not of childbearing age ,which no doubt comes as a great
relief to the Queen and the C of E.
There are already two Heirs to the throne.
As Princess Consort, would her child be in the line of succession?
(Today of course reproduction at a later age is medically possible, if one
has the money.)
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Tilly
Jay
2005-02-11 08:21:13 UTC
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Post by geopelia
Post by Funnyweb
Post by E. Scrooge
Don't tell anyone, especially the papers. It's a big secret.
E. Scrooge
Why is this marriage even being alowed to happen?
Edward VIII was not allowed to marry his divorcee girlfriend, Princess
Margaret was not allowed to marry her divorcee boyfriend. So why should
Charlie be allowed his divorcee?
/\(**)/\
This is the 21st century. Of course they should be allowed to marry. She
seems the kind of person who will be a great help to Prince Charles in
carrying out his duties.
No doubt the Church of England (of which Charles will be Head) will be able
to sort out any religious objections.
No doubt. But does it send the correct message to the flock?
Preach one thing, practice another.

Suits me. One more contradiction for me to use when someone tries to convert
me.

Jay
Post by geopelia
The titles suggested for her are entirely suitable.
Geopelia
A L P
2005-02-10 21:23:36 UTC
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Post by Funnyweb
Post by E. Scrooge
Don't tell anyone, especially the papers. It's a big secret.
E. Scrooge
Why is this marriage even being alowed to happen?
Edward VIII was not allowed to marry his divorcee girlfriend, Princess
Margaret was not allowed to marry her divorcee boyfriend. So why should
Charlie be allowed his divorcee?
/\(**)/\
People weren't allowed to beat their carpets on Sundays.

Times change.

Keep up.

A L P
Roger Dewhurst
2005-02-10 21:35:40 UTC
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Post by Funnyweb
Post by E. Scrooge
Don't tell anyone, especially the papers. It's a big secret.
E. Scrooge
Why is this marriage even being alowed to happen?
Edward VIII was not allowed to marry his divorcee girlfriend, Princess
Margaret was not allowed to marry her divorcee boyfriend. So why should
Charlie be allowed his divorcee?
There are a host of reasons. Some arise from the socio-pathology that has
developed in Britain since WW2. Some relate to the disintigration of the
Anglican Church and the widespread loss of religious belief. If you wish to
persue this read Peter Hitchens book 'The Abolition of Britain'.

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Tarla
2005-02-10 22:02:37 UTC
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:58:16 +1300, "Funnyweb"
Post by Funnyweb
Post by E. Scrooge
Don't tell anyone, especially the papers. It's a big secret.
E. Scrooge
Why is this marriage even being alowed to happen?
Edward VIII was not allowed to marry his divorcee girlfriend, Princess
Margaret was not allowed to marry her divorcee boyfriend. So why should
Charlie be allowed his divorcee?
Because it's 2005.
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Tarla
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"Bother," said Pooh as he buried Piglet's mangled corpse.
E. Scrooge
2005-02-11 04:04:10 UTC
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Post by Tarla
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:58:16 +1300, "Funnyweb"
Post by Funnyweb
Post by E. Scrooge
Don't tell anyone, especially the papers. It's a big secret.
E. Scrooge
Why is this marriage even being alowed to happen?
Edward VIII was not allowed to marry his divorcee girlfriend, Princess
Margaret was not allowed to marry her divorcee boyfriend. So why should
Charlie be allowed his divorcee?
Because it's 2005.
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Tarla
Shit, is that the time already?
Only an hour left of televised golf, but the good news is that grizzling
Michael Cambell has missed the cut of the NZ Golf Open.

E. Scrooge
Jay
2005-02-11 08:19:25 UTC
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Post by Tarla
Because it's 2005.
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Tarla
Shit, is that the time already?
Only an hour left of televised golf, but the good news is that grizzling
Michael Cambell has missed the cut of the NZ Golf Open.
E. Scrooge
http://www.edu4kids.com/clock/

Jay
Leon Noel
2005-02-12 06:04:21 UTC
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On , , Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:04:10 +1300, Re: Prince Charlie To
Post by E. Scrooge
Only an hour left of televised golf, but the good news is that grizzling
Michael Cambell has missed the cut of the NZ Golf Open.
More maori bashing, I see.
Barry Lennox
2005-02-11 08:03:24 UTC
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:58:16 +1300, "Funnyweb"
Post by Funnyweb
Post by E. Scrooge
Don't tell anyone, especially the papers. It's a big secret.
E. Scrooge
Why is this marriage even being alowed to happen?
Edward VIII was not allowed to marry his divorcee girlfriend, Princess
Margaret was not allowed to marry her divorcee boyfriend. So why should
Charlie be allowed his divorcee?
A much more important question is "why not?"

I note some sort of poll held in ripoff Britain today said x% were in
favour and y% were not. They should have asked a third question: "Do
you give a shit?" I suspect that 91% would vote: No.
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