Discussion:
Kung Flu ship off New Zealand -- NONE SHALL PASS
(too old to reply)
Byker
2020-03-16 04:07:46 UTC
Permalink
Coronavirus in NZ: Golden Princess passenger suspected case,
ship quarantined in Akaroa

15 Mar, 2020

A cruise ship is being held off the coast of New Zealand with at least one
suspected case of coronavirus on board.

Three passengers on the Golden Princess have been quarantined by the ship's
doctor.

One of the three has developed symptoms of Covid-19 and is being treated as
a suspected case, the Canterbury District Health Board says.

Canterbury DHB medical officer of health Dr Ramon Pink said the public
health team was taking a precautionary approach.

All three passengers were in quarantine, and the cruise ship company had
been very co-operative, Pink said.

"We realise this is disappointing news for other passengers and
tourism/hospitality operators in Akaroa and Canterbury who were expecting to
host the passengers today.

"We cannot risk the potential further spread if this person tests positive.

"Two of the three people isolated have been in contact with a confirmed case
in the past 14 days."

On Saturday Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced all cruise ships would
be banned from coming to New Zealand until June 30.

It's not clear if the ban would have applied to the Golden Princess, which
would have been en route to Akaroa when the restrictions were announced.

All 18 ships that travel under the Princess Cruises brand have been halted
for two months due to the spread of Covid-19, operator Carnival announced on
March 12.

Royal Caribbean Cruises has also announced today it is suspending cruising
in New Zealand and Australia.

Cruises that left either country before today would continue to operate and
return to Australia as planned, the company said.

Meanwhile the Prime Minister said today that the Government and the police
can enforce self-isolation if necessary.

And she says the Government's economic package, to be announced on Tuesday,
will be the most significant one-off injection into the economy of her
entire tenure as Prime Minister.

Play VideoHow to stop the spread of coronavirus. Video / AP / CDC / Leeds
Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust / ABC News

Yesterday Ardern announced that any person from any country, excluding the
Pacific islands, is now required to self-isolate for 14 days upon arrival to
the country, and she encouraged all New Zealanders to avoid all
non-essential travel overseas.

As well as affecting thousands of people's travel plans, the move is
expected to significantly impact Kiwis' jobs and New Zealand economy.

This morning Ardern sought to calm fears about whether people would
self-isolate properly, saying that the 10,500 New Zealanders who had done it
so far had been overly compliant, with some staying home for more than 14
days.

But she said authorities, including police, had the power to quarantine
people at a medical facility and station staff at the door.

That power had not been used so far, she told TVNZ's Q+A this morning.

The Government has been constantly looking at global developments, and the
new restrictions unveiled on Saturday were the next step to "go hard" to
flatten the curve.

The goal was to avoid a large-scale community spread of the virus, and the
new travel restrictions were about keeping pressure off the public health
system as the number of positive cases rose.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12316776
PhantomView
2020-03-19 01:48:03 UTC
Permalink
"Liberal" NZ has suddenly done a backflip. It has
become very severe over the virus, even arresting
people who break "suggested" self-quarrantines.

"Liberal" attitudes are for the best of times. All the
rest however ........
Fran
2020-03-19 03:06:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by PhantomView
"Liberal" NZ has suddenly done a backflip. It has
become very severe over the virus, even arresting
people who break "suggested" self-quarrantines.
"Liberal" attitudes are for the best of times. All the
rest however ........
Another chump who lives in fantasyland and who needs educating in basic
political theory.....

ALL nations understand biosecurity needs either very quickly (as NZ has)
or tardy and late (like the USA) regardless of political leanings.
PhantomView
2020-03-19 05:43:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Fran
Post by PhantomView
"Liberal" NZ has suddenly done a backflip. It has
become very severe over the virus, even arresting
people who break "suggested" self-quarrantines.
"Liberal" attitudes are for the best of times. All the
rest however ........
Another chump who lives in fantasyland and who needs educating in basic
political theory.....
ALL nations understand biosecurity needs either very quickly (as NZ has)
or tardy and late (like the USA) regardless of political leanings.
There are, theoretically, MANY paths to APPLYING said
methods. NZ has gone from nearly commie to nearly
fascist in a couple of weeks. That is interesting.

Before this is done, most leftist/faux-"liberal" governments
are going to be looking VERY right-wing. The leftist line
sure *sounds* good, but when the shit hits the fan the
collective instinct favors ultra-con methods and thinking
because that is what is most likely to work.
Gordon
2020-03-19 06:26:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by PhantomView
Post by Fran
Post by PhantomView
"Liberal" NZ has suddenly done a backflip. It has
become very severe over the virus, even arresting
people who break "suggested" self-quarrantines.
"Liberal" attitudes are for the best of times. All the
rest however ........
Another chump who lives in fantasyland and who needs educating in basic
political theory.....
ALL nations understand biosecurity needs either very quickly (as NZ has)
or tardy and late (like the USA) regardless of political leanings.
There are, theoretically, MANY paths to APPLYING said
methods. NZ has gone from nearly commie to nearly
fascist in a couple of weeks. That is interesting.
Well, what it has done is taken action to protect the people of the country.
Defended the country.

While this may look like freedom restriction, it is nothing like some
countries on the extreme left and right.

The Government is doing what it considers best after having taken adive of
experts.

Britan and the Netherlands trying something different and changing tack as
they see fit.
Fran
2020-03-19 06:44:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by PhantomView
Post by Fran
Post by PhantomView
"Liberal" NZ has suddenly done a backflip. It has
become very severe over the virus, even arresting
people who break "suggested" self-quarrantines.
"Liberal" attitudes are for the best of times. All the
rest however ........
Another chump who lives in fantasyland and who needs educating in basic
political theory.....
ALL nations understand biosecurity needs either very quickly (as NZ has)
or tardy and late (like the USA) regardless of political leanings.
There are, theoretically, MANY paths to APPLYING said
methods. NZ has gone from nearly commie to nearly
fascist in a couple of weeks.
Bulshit.


That is interesting.
Post by PhantomView
Before this is done, most leftist/faux-"liberal" governments
are going to be looking VERY right-wing. The leftist line
sure *sounds* good, but when the shit hits the fan the
collective instinct favors ultra-con methods and thinking
because that is what is most likely to work.
Complete and utter bullshit.

NZ has biosecurity legislation and under that Act (Biosecurity Act 1993)
can take any and all actions to protect NZ from ANY biosecurity threat.
Covid-19 IS a huge biosecurity threat.

Read it and weep:
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0095/latest/DLM314623.html

And if that isn't enough to educate you on how NZ has protected its
borders for many, many years, read this list of NZ legislation used at
point of entry:
https://www.customs.govt.nz/about-us/legislation/legislation-used-by-customs/
Ördög
2020-03-19 07:15:34 UTC
Permalink
Septic Yank? trashy troll PhantomView
Fran
Septic Yank? trashy troll PhantomView
"Liberal" NZ has suddenly done a backflip. It has become very severe
over the virus, even arresting people who break "suggested"
self-quarrantines.
"Liberal" attitudes are for the best of times. All the rest however
........
What a fucking illiterate moron!
Does not even comprehend what "liberal" actually means.
Another chump who lives in fantasyland and who needs educating in
basic political theory.....
ALL nations understand biosecurity needs either very quickly (as NZ
has) or tardy and late (like the USA) regardless of political
leanings.
There are, theoretically, MANY paths to APPLYING said methods. NZ
has gone from nearly commie to nearly fascist in a couple of weeks.
Bullshit.
Precisely!
Apparently he uses the terms "commie" and "fascist" as gut emotive swear
words w/o comprehending their true meaning.
NZ was/is as far removed from communism as it was/is from fascism.
I can't comprehend why politically illiterate wankers insist on posting
their illiteracy to Usenet.
Also that septic does not understand what a pandemic entails nor what
measures are really needed to protect the population.
Before this is done, most leftist/faux-"liberal" governments are
going to be looking VERY right-wing.
Total garbage.
Leftist is not synonym for liberal.
And of course Left is NOT Right. Maybe his psychiatric nurse could make
him understand the difference somehow.
The leftist line sure *sounds*
good,
Which is what exactly???
Emergency measures needed to cope with a pandemic emergency are neither
Left or Right, they are logical action guided by medical science, or they
should be.
but when the shit hits the fan the collective instinct favors
ultra-con methods and thinking because that is what is most likely
to work.
The above utter string of random words only make sense to this septic and
no one else.
Complete and utter bullshit.
Well spotted!
NZ has biosecurity legislation and under that Act (Biosecurity Act 1993)
can take any and all actions to protect NZ from ANY biosecurity threat.
Covid-19 IS a huge biosecurity threat.
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0095/latest/
DLM314623.html
And if that isn't enough to educate you on how NZ has protected its
borders for many, many years, read this list of NZ legislation used at
https://www.customs.govt.nz/about-us/legislation/legislation-used-by-
customs/
--
Ördög
Welcome to real Hell on Earth! :)
That is when Lieberals and Countrymorons running the show.
They rain down on you *at your expense* hate, greed, bullying, nepotism
and plutocracy!
Ned Latham
2020-03-19 07:52:05 UTC
Permalink
The ugly sow's lapdog, aka the Foreskin Peeler (you know, that
cowardly retard that sometimes calls itself "Ördög"), begging
Post by Ördög
What a fucking illiterate moron!
There you go; hangin' shit on yourself again.

Try to get it into your pointy little head that you're not ILLiterate;
you're SEMILiterate.

You *do* understand that they're different, right?

----snup----
PhantomView
2020-03-20 01:37:16 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 07:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Ördög
Post by Ördög
Septic Yank? trashy troll PhantomView
Fran
Septic Yank? trashy troll PhantomView
"Liberal" NZ has suddenly done a backflip. It has become very severe
over the virus, even arresting people who break "suggested"
self-quarrantines.
"Liberal" attitudes are for the best of times. All the rest however
........
What a fucking illiterate moron!
Does not even comprehend what "liberal" actually means.
It means "stupid idiot" these days.

It certainly does NOT have anything to do with "liberty".
Post by Ördög
Another chump who lives in fantasyland and who needs educating in
basic political theory.....
ALL nations understand biosecurity needs either very quickly (as NZ
has) or tardy and late (like the USA) regardless of political
leanings.
There are, theoretically, MANY paths to APPLYING said methods. NZ
has gone from nearly commie to nearly fascist in a couple of weeks.
Bullshit.
Precisely!
Apparently he uses the terms "commie" and "fascist" as gut emotive swear
words w/o comprehending their true meaning.
NZ was/is as far removed from communism as it was/is from fascism.
I can't comprehend why politically illiterate wankers insist on posting
their illiteracy to Usenet.
Also that septic does not understand what a pandemic entails nor what
measures are really needed to protect the population.
Before this is done, most leftist/faux-"liberal" governments are
going to be looking VERY right-wing.
Total garbage.
Leftist is not synonym for liberal.
And of course Left is NOT Right. Maybe his psychiatric nurse could make
him understand the difference somehow.
The leftist line sure *sounds*
good,
Which is what exactly???
Emergency measures needed to cope with a pandemic emergency are neither
Left or Right, they are logical action guided by medical science, or they
should be.
but when the shit hits the fan the collective instinct favors
ultra-con methods and thinking because that is what is most likely
to work.
The above utter string of random words only make sense to this septic and
no one else.
Complete and utter bullshit.
Well spotted!
NZ has biosecurity legislation and under that Act (Biosecurity Act 1993)
can take any and all actions to protect NZ from ANY biosecurity threat.
Covid-19 IS a huge biosecurity threat.
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0095/latest/
DLM314623.html
And if that isn't enough to educate you on how NZ has protected its
borders for many, many years, read this list of NZ legislation used at
https://www.customs.govt.nz/about-us/legislation/legislation-used-by-
customs/
Dechucka
2020-03-20 02:52:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by PhantomView
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 07:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Ördög
Post by Ördög
Septic Yank? trashy troll PhantomView
Fran
Septic Yank? trashy troll PhantomView
"Liberal" NZ has suddenly done a backflip. It has become very severe
over the virus, even arresting people who break "suggested"
self-quarrantines.
"Liberal" attitudes are for the best of times. All the rest however
........
What a fucking illiterate moron!
Does not even comprehend what "liberal" actually means.
It means "stupid idiot" these days.
Tell that to to our conservative PM leader of our Liberal Party
Fran
2020-03-20 03:18:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by PhantomView
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 07:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Ördög
Post by Ördög
Septic Yank? trashy troll PhantomView
Fran
Septic Yank? trashy troll PhantomView
"Liberal" NZ has suddenly done a backflip. It has become very severe
over the virus, even arresting people who break "suggested"
self-quarrantines.
"Liberal" attitudes are for the best of times. All the rest however
........
What a fucking illiterate moron!
Does not even comprehend what "liberal" actually means.
It means "stupid idiot" these days.
It certainly does NOT have anything to do with "liberty".
Only a moron would assume or even suggest that 'liberal' had anything to
do with liberty. Go and get yourself a dictionary and learn to use it.
PhantomView
2020-03-21 05:36:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Fran
Post by PhantomView
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 07:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Ördög
Post by Ördög
Septic Yank? trashy troll PhantomView
Fran
Septic Yank? trashy troll PhantomView
"Liberal" NZ has suddenly done a backflip. It has become very severe
over the virus, even arresting people who break "suggested"
self-quarrantines.
"Liberal" attitudes are for the best of times. All the rest however
........
What a fucking illiterate moron!
Does not even comprehend what "liberal" actually means.
It means "stupid idiot" these days.
It certainly does NOT have anything to do with "liberty".
Only a moron would assume or even suggest that 'liberal' had anything to
do with liberty.
Yea ... THAT is absolutely true !

Yet the NAME itself IMPLIES it.

And morons aplenty are FOOLED.
Post by Fran
Go and get yourself a dictionary and learn to use it.
"Progressive" ... the movement of panicked herds
towards a cliff :-)
Fran
2020-03-21 06:34:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by PhantomView
Post by Fran
Post by PhantomView
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 07:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Ördög
Post by Ördög
Septic Yank? trashy troll PhantomView
Fran
Septic Yank? trashy troll PhantomView
"Liberal" NZ has suddenly done a backflip. It has become very severe
over the virus, even arresting people who break "suggested"
self-quarrantines.
"Liberal" attitudes are for the best of times. All the rest however
........
What a fucking illiterate moron!
Does not even comprehend what "liberal" actually means.
It means "stupid idiot" these days.
It certainly does NOT have anything to do with "liberty".
Only a moron would assume or even suggest that 'liberal' had anything to
do with liberty.
Yea ... THAT is absolutely true !
Good. You can learn.
Post by PhantomView
Yet the NAME itself IMPLIES it.
Bullshit.
Post by PhantomView
And morons aplenty are FOOLED.
Yes, you are. Go buy a dictionary and learn how to use it. Hint:
liberal, libertine, liberty and Liberace all have quite different
meanings.
Post by PhantomView
Post by Fran
Go and get yourself a dictionary and learn to use it.
"Progressive" ... the movement of panicked herds
towards a cliff :-)
Look up lemmings. Then Look up myths.

Dechucka
2020-03-19 06:55:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by PhantomView
Post by Fran
Post by PhantomView
"Liberal" NZ has suddenly done a backflip. It has
become very severe over the virus, even arresting
people who break "suggested" self-quarrantines.
"Liberal" attitudes are for the best of times. All the
rest however ........
Another chump who lives in fantasyland and who needs educating in basic
political theory.....
ALL nations understand biosecurity needs either very quickly (as NZ has)
or tardy and late (like the USA) regardless of political leanings.
There are, theoretically, MANY paths to APPLYING said
methods. NZ has gone from nearly commie
Nearly commie.? OK I'll have to keep an eye on them they might be trying
to place some Russian/Chines missiles there to attack Pine Gap
Post by PhantomView
to nearly
fascist in a couple of weeks. That is interesting.
They have introduced border controls like 1/2 of Europe, the US etc and
that makes them fascist. Bizarre but interesting theory.
Post by PhantomView
Before this is done, most leftist/faux-"liberal" governments
are going to be looking VERY right-wing. The leftist line
sure *sounds* good, but when the shit hits the fan the
collective instinct favors ultra-con methods and thinking
because that is what is most likely to work.
Yet economically the US is going socialist pumping US$1 trillion into
the economy and finally healthcare. Be interesting to see how the US, in
general, pay or die, health care system works.

BTW it amazes me that the US pays a higher % of GDP on healthcare than
Australia but doesn't have universal coverage
--
Remember, STAY SAFE, wash your hands as if you've iust shaken hands with
SloMO
Rich80105
2020-03-19 09:20:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dechucka
Post by PhantomView
Post by Fran
Post by PhantomView
"Liberal" NZ has suddenly done a backflip. It has
become very severe over the virus, even arresting
people who break "suggested" self-quarrantines.
"Liberal" attitudes are for the best of times. All the
rest however ........
Another chump who lives in fantasyland and who needs educating in basic
political theory.....
ALL nations understand biosecurity needs either very quickly (as NZ has)
or tardy and late (like the USA) regardless of political leanings.
There are, theoretically, MANY paths to APPLYING said
methods. NZ has gone from nearly commie
Nearly commie.? OK I'll have to keep an eye on them they might be trying
to place some Russian/Chines missiles there to attack Pine Gap
Post by PhantomView
to nearly
fascist in a couple of weeks. That is interesting.
They have introduced border controls like 1/2 of Europe, the US etc and
that makes them fascist. Bizarre but interesting theory.
Post by PhantomView
Before this is done, most leftist/faux-"liberal" governments
are going to be looking VERY right-wing. The leftist line
sure *sounds* good, but when the shit hits the fan the
collective instinct favors ultra-con methods and thinking
because that is what is most likely to work.
Yet economically the US is going socialist pumping US$1 trillion into
the economy and finally healthcare. Be interesting to see how the US, in
general, pay or die, health care system works.
BTW it amazes me that the US pays a higher % of GDP on healthcare than
Australia but doesn't have universal coverage
Sometimes jargon gets in the way of commonsense. Auistralia has a
""Liberal"" government which is widely regarded as right wing; New
Zealand''s National Party was fomed after WWII from the Liberal and
Reform Parties - nother particularly left wing.

The USA spending on the econom y and in particular healthcare culd be
looked at as just being crony capitalist.

Sometimes we need to look behind the propoganda and look at the
reality - New Zealand is following best scientific advice to save as
many lives as possible - we should expect no less. Survival trumps
petty politics, although some individual politicians haven;t got that
message . . .
Crash
2020-03-19 23:18:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rich80105
Post by Dechucka
Post by PhantomView
Post by Fran
Post by PhantomView
"Liberal" NZ has suddenly done a backflip. It has
become very severe over the virus, even arresting
people who break "suggested" self-quarrantines.
"Liberal" attitudes are for the best of times. All the
rest however ........
Another chump who lives in fantasyland and who needs educating in basic
political theory.....
ALL nations understand biosecurity needs either very quickly (as NZ has)
or tardy and late (like the USA) regardless of political leanings.
There are, theoretically, MANY paths to APPLYING said
methods. NZ has gone from nearly commie
Nearly commie.? OK I'll have to keep an eye on them they might be trying
to place some Russian/Chines missiles there to attack Pine Gap
Post by PhantomView
to nearly
fascist in a couple of weeks. That is interesting.
They have introduced border controls like 1/2 of Europe, the US etc and
that makes them fascist. Bizarre but interesting theory.
Post by PhantomView
Before this is done, most leftist/faux-"liberal" governments
are going to be looking VERY right-wing. The leftist line
sure *sounds* good, but when the shit hits the fan the
collective instinct favors ultra-con methods and thinking
because that is what is most likely to work.
Yet economically the US is going socialist pumping US$1 trillion into
the economy and finally healthcare. Be interesting to see how the US, in
general, pay or die, health care system works.
BTW it amazes me that the US pays a higher % of GDP on healthcare than
Australia but doesn't have universal coverage
Sometimes jargon gets in the way of commonsense. Auistralia has a
""Liberal"" government which is widely regarded as right wing; New
Zealand''s National Party was fomed after WWII from the Liberal and
Reform Parties - nother particularly left wing.
Actually it was before WWII - 14 May 1936 according to Google.
Post by Rich80105
The USA spending on the econom y and in particular healthcare culd be
looked at as just being crony capitalist.
Sometimes we need to look behind the propoganda and look at the
reality - New Zealand is following best scientific advice to save as
many lives as possible - we should expect no less. Survival trumps
petty politics, although some individual politicians haven;t got that
message . . .
Correct - but beware major political decisions being made and
announced while the media are pre-occupied with COVID-19 news. For
example, the recent increase in benefits masquerading as part of the
COVID-19 economic impact solution.


--
Crash McBash
Fran
2020-03-19 10:38:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dechucka
Post by PhantomView
to nearly
    fascist in a couple of weeks. That is interesting.
They have introduced border controls like 1/2 of Europe, the US etc and
that makes them fascist. Bizarre but interesting theory.
Have you seen the charts that show the main source of infections
overseas for those who've got it in Oz? It's the USA! followed by
Italy and then China.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/coronavirus-data-reveals-how-covid-19-is-spreading-in-australia/12060704

And Missy Higgins doctor dad thought he only had a cold as he treated 70
patients as he couldn't have got it in the USA and so demanded an
apology! He really should have known better.
Byker
2020-03-19 19:37:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by PhantomView
There are, theoretically, MANY paths to APPLYING said
methods. NZ has gone from nearly commie to nearly
fascist in a couple of weeks. That is interesting.
They could learn a few things from Beijing:


Advice from The Don:

Loading...