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John Bowes
2021-04-10 03:04:14 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
George Black
2021-04-10 20:15:21 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
Probably hidden under the sovereignty bit where we're all equal...
When do we start using the languages of Polynesia and what do we call them ?
John Bowes
2021-04-10 21:18:17 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
Probably hidden under the sovereignty bit where we're all equal...
When do we start using the languages of Polynesia and what do we call them ?
Nope :)
Go read the treaty George. It'll smack you in the eye :)
George Black
2021-04-11 03:32:31 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
Probably hidden under the sovereignty bit where we're all equal...
When do we start using the languages of Polynesia and what do we call them ?
Nope :)
Go read the treaty George. It'll smack you in the eye :)
I have read it and it says nothing like certain people claim
Gordon
2021-04-11 03:33:32 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
Probably hidden under the sovereignty bit where we're all equal...
When do we start using the languages of Polynesia and what do we call them ?
Nope :)
Go read the treaty George. It'll smack you in the eye :)
Easy there, that is a Health and Safety issue.
James Christophers
2021-04-11 05:49:10 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.

A little history - one of many:

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
John Bowes
2021-04-11 06:13:53 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
Try addressing the question rather than pushing your own stupid agenda Keith! The Newsroom article is full of shit and bugger all signs of them having actually read the treaty! Typical of the MSM you're so happy to push as purveyors of all truth!
George Black
2021-04-11 19:53:06 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
Try addressing the question rather than pushing your own stupid agenda Keith! The Newsroom article is full of shit and bugger all signs of them having actually read the treaty! Typical of the MSM you're so happy to push as purveyors of all truth!
Notice how he evokes (good word) fake news to support his unsupportable
nonsense
George Black
2021-04-11 19:57:09 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
Try addressing the question rather than pushing your own stupid agenda Keith! The Newsroom article is full of shit and bugger all signs of them having actually read the treaty! Typical of the MSM you're so happy to push as purveyors of all truth!
Actually the article is refuting everything Kieth claims and may well be
a european item as Maori had no name for NZ
John Bowes
2021-04-11 21:50:33 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
Try addressing the question rather than pushing your own stupid agenda Keith! The Newsroom article is full of shit and bugger all signs of them having actually read the treaty! Typical of the MSM you're so happy to push as purveyors of all truth!
Actually the article is refuting everything Kieth claims and may well be
a european item as Maori had no name for NZ
Maori did have a name for New Zealand. Aotearoa is the name of the North Island. The South Island is Aotearoa me Te Waipounamu and Niu Tureni is the name for New Zealand as seen in the Treaty. A few facts for the factless Keith :)
John Bowes
2021-04-12 02:49:13 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
Try addressing the question.
You. haven't put a question. You have merely stated your wish to know something to which you already know the answer.
Bullshit! I asked where in the treaty the name Aotearoa appeared. Just because you have a habit of avoiding questions makes no never mind Keith. You bullshitting and you know it!
<mindless trolling snipped!>
James Christophers
2021-04-12 04:41:58 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
Try addressing the question.
You. haven't put a question. You have merely stated your wish to know something to which you already know the answer.
Bullshit! I asked where in the treaty the name Aotearoa appeared.
Meaning you didn't know.

A born New Zealander of your age would long ago have learned and understood the reason(s). So it is therefore perfectly right and proper now to ask:

Why didn't you?
John Bowes
2021-04-12 12:18:54 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
Try addressing the question.
You. haven't put a question. You have merely stated your wish to know something to which you already know the answer.
Bullshit! I asked where in the treaty the name Aotearoa appeared.
Meaning you didn't know.
Meaning you were overdue for some education about the Treaty :)
<further vague ramblings of an idiot snipped>
George Black
2021-04-12 19:59:35 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
Try addressing the question.
You. haven't put a question. You have merely stated your wish to know something to which you already know the answer.
Bullshit! I asked where in the treaty the name Aotearoa appeared. Just because you have a habit of avoiding questions makes no never mind Keith. You bullshitting and you know it!
<mindless trolling snipped!>
Evidently hye hasn't read the published link but continues to waffle
because thats what he does
John Bowes
2021-04-12 22:08:55 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
Try addressing the question.
You. haven't put a question. You have merely stated your wish to know something to which you already know the answer.
Bullshit! I asked where in the treaty the name Aotearoa appeared. Just because you have a habit of avoiding questions makes no never mind Keith. You bullshitting and you know it!
<mindless trolling snipped!>
Evidently hye hasn't read the published link but continues to waffle
because thats what he does
Bullshit and abuse are Keith's stock in trade and he piles it even higher when he knows he's wrong :)
Rich80105
2021-04-12 22:11:28 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
Try addressing the question.
You. haven't put a question. You have merely stated your wish to know something to which you already know the answer.
Bullshit! I asked where in the treaty the name Aotearoa appeared. Just because you have a habit of avoiding questions makes no never mind Keith. You bullshitting and you know it!
<mindless trolling snipped!>
Evidently hye hasn't read the published link but continues to waffle
because thats what he does
It is not hard to find out more through simple searches. For example:
https://teara.govt.nz/en/national-anthems/page-2
shows that the Maori version including the word Aotearoa was used
referring to NEw Zealand in 1878.
James Christophers
2021-04-12 23:56:21 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
Try addressing the question.
You. haven't put a question. You have merely stated your wish to know something to which you already know the answer.
Bullshit! I asked where in the treaty the name Aotearoa appeared. Just because you have a habit of avoiding questions makes no never mind Keith. You bullshitting and you know it!
<mindless trolling snipped!>
Evidently hye hasn't read the published link but continues to waffle
because thats what he does
https://teara.govt.nz/en/national-anthems/page-2
shows that the Maori version including the word Aotearoa was used
referring to NEw Zealand in 1878.
Bowes's floundering invective and your follow-ups are both as may be. But, however one addresses the proposition, the specific word Aotearoa is not mentioned in the original 1840 Treaty document. Certainly other transcribed names and descriptions are incorporated, but it is from Howe and others we learn that none of these refer to New Zealand as a single entity.

It is perfectly OK to mention non-single-entity terms and descriptions in terms of the overall narrative. But these later contributions in no way negate the original, simple fact of the matter, further clarified and expanded on in Howe's contribution to the discourse - a contribution, mark you, whose authenticity has yet to be validly challenged in this thread.
Rich80105
2021-04-13 01:06:06 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
Try addressing the question.
You. haven't put a question. You have merely stated your wish to know something to which you already know the answer.
Bullshit! I asked where in the treaty the name Aotearoa appeared. Just because you have a habit of avoiding questions makes no never mind Keith. You bullshitting and you know it!
<mindless trolling snipped!>
Evidently hye hasn't read the published link but continues to waffle
because thats what he does
https://teara.govt.nz/en/national-anthems/page-2
shows that the Maori version including the word Aotearoa was used
referring to NEw Zealand in 1878.
Bowes's floundering invective and your follow-ups are both as may be. But, however one addresses the proposition, the specific word Aotearoa is not mentioned in the original 1840 Treaty document. Certainly other transcribed names and descriptions are incorporated, but it is from Howe and others we learn that none of these refer to New Zealand as a single entity.
That was established very early in the thread, which moved on to more
current issues relating to the use of the word, both from 1878 in what
became one of our National anthem, and that recognition by later
governments in legislation.
Post by James Christophers
It is perfectly OK to mention non-single-entity terms and descriptions in terms of the overall narrative. But these later contributions in no way negate the original, simple fact of the matter, further clarified and expanded on in Howe's contribution to the discourse - a contribution, mark you, whose authenticity has yet to be validly challenged in this thread.
And nor need it be - there are other articles in Teara for example
that support the lack of the term being used at the time of the
Treaty, but its change of meaning and increasing use subsequently.
Crash
2021-04-13 01:15:14 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
Try addressing the question.
You. haven't put a question. You have merely stated your wish to know something to which you already know the answer.
Bullshit! I asked where in the treaty the name Aotearoa appeared. Just because you have a habit of avoiding questions makes no never mind Keith. You bullshitting and you know it!
<mindless trolling snipped!>
Evidently hye hasn't read the published link but continues to waffle
because thats what he does
https://teara.govt.nz/en/national-anthems/page-2
shows that the Maori version including the word Aotearoa was used
referring to NEw Zealand in 1878.
Bowes's floundering invective and your follow-ups are both as may be. But, however one addresses
the proposition, the specific word Aotearoa is not mentioned in the original 1840 Treaty document. Certainly other transcribed
names and descriptions are incorporated, but it is from Howe and others we learn that none of these refer to New Zealand as a single entity.
It is perfectly OK to mention non-single-entity terms and descriptions in terms of the overall narrative. But these later contributions in no way
negate the original, simple fact of the matter, further clarified and expanded on in Howe's contribution to the discourse - a contribution, mark
you, whose authenticity has yet to be validly challenged in this thread.
My reading of John Bowes original post was to question the validity of
using 'Aotearoa' as an indigenous name for New Zealand.


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John Bowes
2021-04-13 05:03:51 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
Try addressing the question.
You. haven't put a question. You have merely stated your wish to know something to which you already know the answer.
Bullshit! I asked where in the treaty the name Aotearoa appeared. Just because you have a habit of avoiding questions makes no never mind Keith. You bullshitting and you know it!
<mindless trolling snipped!>
Evidently hye hasn't read the published link but continues to waffle
because thats what he does
https://teara.govt.nz/en/national-anthems/page-2
shows that the Maori version including the word Aotearoa was used
referring to NEw Zealand in 1878.
Bowes's floundering invective and your follow-ups are both as may be. But, however one addresses
the proposition, the specific word Aotearoa is not mentioned in the original 1840 Treaty document. Certainly other transcribed
names and descriptions are incorporated, but it is from Howe and others we learn that none of these refer to New Zealand as a single entity.
It is perfectly OK to mention non-single-entity terms and descriptions in terms of the overall narrative. But these later contributions in no way
negate the original, simple fact of the matter, further clarified and expanded on in Howe's contribution to the discourse - a contribution, mark
you, whose authenticity has yet to be validly challenged in this thread.
My reading of John Bowes original post was to question the validity of
using 'Aotearoa' as an indigenous name for New Zealand.
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Crash McBash
As always. Bang on Crash :)
James Christophers
2021-04-14 01:50:16 UTC
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 16:56:21 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
Try addressing the question.
You. haven't put a question. You have merely stated your wish to know something to which you already know the answer.
Bullshit! I asked where in the treaty the name Aotearoa appeared. Just because you have a habit of avoiding questions makes no never mind Keith. You bullshitting and you know it!
<mindless trolling snipped!>
Evidently hye hasn't read the published link but continues to waffle
because thats what he does
https://teara.govt.nz/en/national-anthems/page-2
shows that the Maori version including the word Aotearoa was used
referring to NEw Zealand in 1878.
Bowes's floundering invective and your follow-ups are both as may be. But, however one addresses
the proposition, the specific word Aotearoa is not mentioned in the original 1840 Treaty document. Certainly other transcribed
names and descriptions are incorporated, but it is from Howe and others we learn that none of these refer to New Zealand as a single entity.
It is perfectly OK to mention non-single-entity terms and descriptions in terms of the overall narrative. But these later contributions in no way
negate the original, simple fact of the matter, further clarified and expanded on in Howe's contribution to the discourse - a contribution, mark
you, whose authenticity has yet to be validly challenged in this thread.
My reading of John Bowes original post was to question the validity of
using 'Aotearoa' as an indigenous name for New Zealand.
An interpretation, yet his **valid** purpose and intent is...? We have yet to hear of it.

Cultural validation comes from common use and practice. Formal/official validation is bestowed by legal authority - "custom law", if you will.

We know that in 1840 "Aotearoa" as a name did not embrace the entire country, hence its non-inclusion in the original Treaty wording. But that does not disqualify it from being intrinsically indigenous to the Maori language prior to that date. Nor does it invalidate or rightfully exclude the Maori from later using as it as their name for the whole country post-1840.

The Maori are the indigenous people of this country. "Aotearoa" is a Maori word. So "Aotearoa" as spoken and later manifested in written form through transliteration is thereby, ipso facto, indigenous.

Since first introduced in 1915, every New Zealand passport bears the two equivalent titles "New Zealand" and "Aotearoa". Need further validation? The New Zealand/Aotearoa passport is the property of the New Zealand government - IOW, for more than a century the indigenous "Aotearoa" has been formally legitimised (validated), documented and familiarised through our higher legal authority.

And so it goes.

Even so, Maori is an orphan language whose teaching and (hoped-for) assimilation is treated as an additional form of cultural reinforcement. But for those - mostly the majority, kindly note - for too long burdened by their own cultural insecurities, it is a cultural reinforcement they can well do without.

(BTW. South Africa with it's 10% white minority and all its impossible trials and tribulations nevertheless boasts 11 official languages. All are represented to varying degrees in the nation's media. That's right - they manage.)

(EOE)
John Bowes
2021-04-14 06:50:07 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
Try addressing the question.
You. haven't put a question. You have merely stated your wish to know something to which you already know the answer.
Bullshit! I asked where in the treaty the name Aotearoa appeared. Just because you have a habit of avoiding questions makes no never mind Keith. You bullshitting and you know it!
<mindless trolling snipped!>
Evidently hye hasn't read the published link but continues to waffle
because thats what he does
https://teara.govt.nz/en/national-anthems/page-2
shows that the Maori version including the word Aotearoa was used
referring to NEw Zealand in 1878.
Bowes's floundering invective and your follow-ups are both as may be. But, however one addresses
the proposition, the specific word Aotearoa is not mentioned in the original 1840 Treaty document. Certainly other transcribed
names and descriptions are incorporated, but it is from Howe and others we learn that none of these refer to New Zealand as a single entity.
It is perfectly OK to mention non-single-entity terms and descriptions in terms of the overall narrative. But these later contributions in no way
negate the original, simple fact of the matter, further clarified and expanded on in Howe's contribution to the discourse - a contribution, mark
you, whose authenticity has yet to be validly challenged in this thread.
My reading of John Bowes original post was to question the validity of
using 'Aotearoa' as an indigenous name for New Zealand.
An interpretation, yet his **valid** purpose and intent is...? We have yet to hear of it.
<garbage snipped>
FFS Keith you are a stupid old troll (and you know it!) My purpose was to try and educate you further on the Treaty of Waitangi! Earlier posts by you on it were nothing but bullshit! Hell I even told you What aotea means along with other Maori names for the south island AND New Zealand yet all you've done (as always) is resort to abuse, lies and long winded rambling bullahit and you know it!
James Christophers
2021-04-15 06:19:12 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
Try addressing the question.
You. haven't put a question. You have merely stated your wish to know something to which you already know the answer.
Bullshit! I asked where in the treaty the name Aotearoa appeared. Just because you have a habit of avoiding questions makes no never mind Keith. You bullshitting and you know it!
<mindless trolling snipped!>
Evidently hye hasn't read the published link but continues to waffle
because thats what he does
https://teara.govt.nz/en/national-anthems/page-2
shows that the Maori version including the word Aotearoa was used
referring to NEw Zealand in 1878.
Bowes's floundering invective and your follow-ups are both as may be. But, however one addresses
the proposition, the specific word Aotearoa is not mentioned in the original 1840 Treaty document. Certainly other transcribed
names and descriptions are incorporated, but it is from Howe and others we learn that none of these refer to New Zealand as a single entity.
It is perfectly OK to mention non-single-entity terms and descriptions in terms of the overall narrative. But these later contributions in no way
negate the original, simple fact of the matter, further clarified and expanded on in Howe's contribution to the discourse - a contribution, mark
you, whose authenticity has yet to be validly challenged in this thread.
My reading of John Bowes original post was to question the validity of
using 'Aotearoa' as an indigenous name for New Zealand.
An interpretation, yet his **valid** purpose and intent is...? We have yet to hear of it.
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FFS Keith you are a stupid old troll (and you know it!) My purpose was to try and educate you further on the Treaty of Waitangi! Earlier posts
Quit yer trolling.

All that matters are the salient facts I have given you in simple terms explaining the word's non-inclusion in the original Treaty. You have now confirmed your inability to refute any of it.

All else from you can therefore only be the noise of a disaffected troll who appears to number himself among those who, as I have previously said, have for too long been burdened by their own cultural insecurities and the warped, prejudiced perceptions that inevitably come with such unfortunate impediments.
John Bowes
2021-04-15 10:19:08 UTC
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On Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 6:19:14 PM UTC+12, ***@gmail.com trolled yet again proving he's a pedantic, pommie prat whith an over inflated idea of his own importance.
John Bowes
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
Try addressing the question.
You. haven't put a question. You have merely stated your wish to know something to which you already know the answer.
Bullshit! I asked where in the treaty the name Aotearoa appeared. Just because you have a habit of avoiding questions makes no never mind Keith. You bullshitting and you know it!
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Evidently hye hasn't read the published link but continues to waffle
because thats what he does
https://teara.govt.nz/en/national-anthems/page-2
shows that the Maori version including the word Aotearoa was used
referring to NEw Zealand in 1878.
Bowes's floundering invective and your follow-ups are both as may be. But, however one addresses
the proposition, the specific word Aotearoa is not mentioned in the original 1840 Treaty document. Certainly other transcribed
names and descriptions are incorporated, but it is from Howe and others we learn that none of these refer to New Zealand as a single entity.
It is perfectly OK to mention non-single-entity terms and descriptions in terms of the overall narrative. But these later contributions in no way
negate the original, simple fact of the matter, further clarified and expanded on in Howe's contribution to the discourse - a contribution, mark
you, whose authenticity has yet to be validly challenged in this thread.
My reading of John Bowes original post was to question the validity of
using 'Aotearoa' as an indigenous name for New Zealand.
An interpretation, yet his **valid** purpose and intent is...? We have yet to hear of it.
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FFS Keith you are a stupid old troll (and you know it!) My purpose was to try and educate you further on the Treaty of Waitangi! Earlier posts
Quit yer trolling.
All that matters are the salient facts I have given you in simple terms explaining the word's non-inclusion in the original Treaty. You have now confirmed your inability to refute any of it.
You've never done simple terms Keith. your a long winded trolling prat!
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All else from you can therefore only be the noise of a disaffected troll who appears to number himself among those who, as I have previously said, have for too long been burdened by their own cultural insecurities and the warped, prejudiced perceptions that inevitably come with such unfortunate impediments.
Bullshit from start to finish Keith! If anyone has cultural insecurities Keith it's trolling pricks like you! I'm proud of my Kiwi heritage AND my pommie ancestors who were all hardworking people who came here to escape insufferable trolling boors like you with over active beliefs in their fake superiority!
John Bowes
2021-04-13 05:05:09 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
Try addressing the question.
You. haven't put a question. You have merely stated your wish to know something to which you already know the answer.
Bullshit! I asked where in the treaty the name Aotearoa appeared. Just because you have a habit of avoiding questions makes no never mind Keith. You bullshitting and you know it!
<mindless trolling snipped!>
Evidently hye hasn't read the published link but continues to waffle
because thats what he does
https://teara.govt.nz/en/national-anthems/page-2
shows that the Maori version including the word Aotearoa was used
referring to NEw Zealand in 1878.
Bowes's floundering invective and your follow-ups are both as may be. But, however one addresses the proposition, the specific word Aotearoa is not mentioned in the original 1840 Treaty document. Certainly other transcribed names and descriptions are incorporated, but it is from Howe and others we learn that none of these refer to New Zealand as a single entity.
It is perfectly OK to mention non-single-entity terms and descriptions in terms of the overall narrative. But these later contributions in no way negate the original, simple fact of the matter, further clarified and expanded on in Howe's contribution to the discourse - a contribution, mark you, whose authenticity has yet to be validly challenged in this thread.
Your still talking shit in defence of your refusal to answer the question Keith. And you know it!
John Bowes
2021-04-13 05:03:13 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
Try addressing the question.
You. haven't put a question. You have merely stated your wish to know something to which you already know the answer.
Bullshit! I asked where in the treaty the name Aotearoa appeared. Just because you have a habit of avoiding questions makes no never mind Keith. You bullshitting and you know it!
<mindless trolling snipped!>
Evidently hye hasn't read the published link but continues to waffle
because thats what he does
https://teara.govt.nz/en/national-anthems/page-2
shows that the Maori version including the word Aotearoa was used
referring to NEw Zealand in 1878.
So why wasn't it used in the Treaty in 1840 Rich?
George Black
2021-04-13 20:04:15 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
Try addressing the question.
You. haven't put a question. You have merely stated your wish to know something to which you already know the answer.
Bullshit! I asked where in the treaty the name Aotearoa appeared. Just because you have a habit of avoiding questions makes no never mind Keith. You bullshitting and you know it!
<mindless trolling snipped!>
Evidently hye hasn't read the published link but continues to waffle
because thats what he does
https://teara.govt.nz/en/national-anthems/page-2
shows that the Maori version including the word Aotearoa was used
referring to NEw Zealand in 1878.
So why wasn't it used in the Treaty in 1840 Rich?
I can answer that
Because 1878 comes after 1840....
I recommend you using your killfile on the rich thing
John Bowes
2021-04-13 05:06:31 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
Try addressing the question.
You. haven't put a question. You have merely stated your wish to know something to which you already know the answer.
Bullshit! I asked where in the treaty the name Aotearoa appeared. Just because you have a habit of avoiding questions makes no never mind Keith. You bullshitting and you know it!
<mindless trolling snipped!>
Evidently hye hasn't read the published link but continues to waffle
because thats what he does
https://teara.govt.nz/en/national-anthems/page-2
shows that the Maori version including the word Aotearoa was used
referring to NEw Zealand in 1878.
Yet more crap from Rich in an effort to distract from his inability to answer a simple question that even his erstwhile hero Keith avoided answering. Typical of the two trolls!
BR
2021-04-12 05:17:40 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
The main purpose of the treaty was to establish equality under the
law.

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James Christophers
2021-04-12 05:27:34 UTC
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 22:49:10 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
The primary purpose of the Treaty was to end open-slather lawlessness and re-start the country a sound social, political and administrative footing. Spiritual niceties of a minority group - including spiritual references to a meteorological phenomenon - could be left until later, well after the crucially essential groundwork had been done.
The main purpose of the treaty was to establish equality under the
law.
...this devoutly to be wished objective hopefully to be achieved by first setting the country on a sound social, political and administrative footing.
Mutlley
2021-04-11 21:14:19 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
It doesn't but the left media TVNZ and print media like Stuff are
pushing it as the name for New Zealand every chance they get.

Name change by telling a lie. If you say it enough it must be true.
Propaganda 101
John Bowes
2021-04-11 21:46:55 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
It doesn't but the left media TVNZ and print media like Stuff are
pushing it as the name for New Zealand every chance they get.
Name change by telling a lie. If you say it enough it must be true.
Propaganda 101
Well done Mutlley :)
Rich80105
2021-04-11 23:34:00 UTC
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I'd love to know where Aotearoa appears in the Treaty of Waitangi......
It doesn't
John Bowes was just trying to be a bit cute . . . ignore it.
Post by Mutlley
but the left media TVNZ and print media like Stuff are
pushing it as the name for New Zealand every chance they get.
Not that I have noticed - can you give an example?
Post by Mutlley
Name change by telling a lie. If you say it enough it must be true.
Propaganda 101
The two names have an established place in New Zealand - if we include
sign language that would be three names.
See for example
https://mch.govt.nz/nz-identity-heritage/national-anthems

Language has changed since the Treaty was prepared - there used to be
strong dialects of English in different places - and only Radio
broadcasters spoke ''received english" - now the strong Taranaki
accent is much reduced; althugh the Southland accent is still quite
distinct. Similarly we have changed the words we use.
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