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Part 5 of the climate change articles by Ian Bradford
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Tony
2021-05-03 00:24:26 UTC
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https://waikanaewatch.org/2021/05/02/the-myths-of-climate-change-5-the-new-zealand-reality/
John Bowes
2021-05-03 05:09:23 UTC
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https://waikanaewatch.org/2021/05/02/the-myths-of-climate-change-5-the-new-zealand-reality/
Some good points in his presentation. The graph at the bottom of the page indicates the CCC and UN aren't looking at all the facts.
The comedy duo of Rich and Keith will naturally poo poo everything that goes against what they're prepared to accept without question but that's the way of trolls everywhere and Rich and Keith in particular....
George Black
2021-05-03 20:03:19 UTC
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Post by Tony
https://waikanaewatch.org/2021/05/02/the-myths-of-climate-change-5-the-new-zealand-reality/
Some good points in his presentation. The graph at the bottom of the page indicates the CCC and UN aren't looking at all the facts.
The comedy duo of Rich and Keith will naturally poo poo everything that goes against what they're prepared to accept without question but that's the way of trolls everywhere and Rich and Keith in particular....
New Zealand is about 80 miles wide at the widest part.
Any weather that we could affect (or affect us) would be out over either
ocean in a matter of hours.
And whatever BS the greens pull the population of the country is 5
million spread out.
There are cities with 2 and even 3 times that population where those
freaks should be concentrating their anti crap crap
Rich80105
2021-05-03 21:45:30 UTC
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https://waikanaewatch.org/2021/05/02/the-myths-of-climate-change-5-the-new-zealand-reality/
Some good points in his presentation. The graph at the bottom of the page indicates the CCC and UN aren't looking at all the facts.
The comedy duo of Rich and Keith will naturally poo poo everything that goes against what they're prepared to accept without question but that's the way of trolls everywhere and Rich and Keith in particular....
New Zealand is about 80 miles wide at the widest part.
Any weather that we could affect (or affect us) would be out over either
ocean in a matter of hours.
And whatever BS the greens pull the population of the country is 5
million spread out.
There are cities with 2 and even 3 times that population where those
freaks should be concentrating their anti crap crap
Meanwhile, business have to cope with the real world
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/climate-emergency/cut-methane-slow-climate-change

It has been a lot of years now since Paul Bennet, on behalf of the
then John Key /National government, signed us up to the international
agreements on climate change. Bleating about the past does no-one any
good.
Rich80105
2021-05-03 22:21:20 UTC
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Post by Tony
https://waikanaewatch.org/2021/05/02/the-myths-of-climate-change-5-the-new-zealand-reality/
Some good points in his presentation. The graph at the bottom of the page indicates the CCC and UN aren't looking at all the facts.
The comedy duo of Rich and Keith will naturally poo poo everything that goes against what they're prepared to accept without question but that's the way of trolls everywhere and Rich and Keith in particular....
New Zealand is about 80 miles wide at the widest part.
Any weather that we could affect (or affect us) would be out over either
ocean in a matter of hours.
And whatever BS the greens pull the population of the country is 5
million spread out.
There are cities with 2 and even 3 times that population where those
freaks should be concentrating their anti crap crap
Meanwhile, business have to cope with the real world
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/climate-emergency/cut-methane-slow-climate-change
It has been a lot of years now since Paula Bennet, on behalf of the
then John Key /National government, signed us up to the international
agreements on climate change. Bleating about the past does no-one any
good.
Paula not Paul - typo fixed.
John Bowes
2021-05-04 04:16:20 UTC
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Post by Tony
https://waikanaewatch.org/2021/05/02/the-myths-of-climate-change-5-the-new-zealand-reality/
Some good points in his presentation. The graph at the bottom of the page indicates the CCC and UN aren't looking at all the facts.
The comedy duo of Rich and Keith will naturally poo poo everything that goes against what they're prepared to accept without question but that's the way of trolls everywhere and Rich and Keith in particular....
New Zealand is about 80 miles wide at the widest part.
Any weather that we could affect (or affect us) would be out over either
ocean in a matter of hours.
And whatever BS the greens pull the population of the country is 5
million spread out.
There are cities with 2 and even 3 times that population where those
freaks should be concentrating their anti crap crap
Meanwhile, business have to cope with the real world
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/climate-emergency/cut-methane-slow-climate-change
It has been a lot of years now since Paul Bennet, on behalf of the
then John Key /National government, signed us up to the international
agreements on climate change. Bleating about the past does no-one any
good.
Paula and John borrow the Dr's Tardis did they Rich? The kyoto Protocol was signed in 2005 when Helen Clark had a firm grip on the reigns of government :)
Bleating about the past can leave left wing bleaters looking like even bigger fools than usually do Rich :)
Gordon
2021-05-04 05:01:53 UTC
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https://waikanaewatch.org/2021/05/02/the-myths-of-climate-change-5-the-new-zealand-reality/
Some good points in his presentation. The graph at the bottom of the page indicates the CCC and UN aren't looking at all the facts.
The comedy duo of Rich and Keith will naturally poo poo everything that goes against what they're prepared to accept without question but that's the way of trolls everywhere and Rich and Keith in particular....
New Zealand is about 80 miles wide at the widest part.
Depending on how you define width the width is more like 270km (168 miles)

It is more a case of there are very few places in NZ which are more than
80 miles from the sea.
George Black
2021-05-04 20:03:23 UTC
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https://waikanaewatch.org/2021/05/02/the-myths-of-climate-change-5-the-new-zealand-reality/
Some good points in his presentation. The graph at the bottom of the page indicates the CCC and UN aren't looking at all the facts.
The comedy duo of Rich and Keith will naturally poo poo everything that goes against what they're prepared to accept without question but that's the way of trolls everywhere and Rich and Keith in particular....
New Zealand is about 80 miles wide at the widest part.
Depending on how you define width the width is more like 270km (168 miles)
It is more a case of there are very few places in NZ which are more than
80 miles from the sea.
Okay.
Thanks for the update and the claim still stands that any weather we
have doesn't stick around because the islands are to narrow
Rich80105
2021-05-05 01:57:27 UTC
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Post by Tony
https://waikanaewatch.org/2021/05/02/the-myths-of-climate-change-5-the-new-zealand-reality/
Some good points in his presentation. The graph at the bottom of the page indicates the CCC and UN aren't looking at all the facts.
The comedy duo of Rich and Keith will naturally poo poo everything that goes against what they're prepared to accept without question but that's the way of trolls everywhere and Rich and Keith in particular....
New Zealand is about 80 miles wide at the widest part.
Depending on how you define width the width is more like 270km (168 miles)
It is more a case of there are very few places in NZ which are more than
80 miles from the sea.
Okay.
Thanks for the update and the claim still stands that any weather we
have doesn't stick around because the islands are to narrow
What do you mean by "weather we have doesn't stick around"? We have
weather every day, and the closest correlation to weather today is
weather yesterday or tomorrow, but yes there is constant change -
always has been and always will be. How narrow our country is (and
that does vary) does not have much effect - mostly our weather
patterns are mainly South to North. Of course our weather is changing
on longer cycles as well, and it is those longer cycles that are
affected by such things as atmospheric conditions, which in turn are
partly influenced by some activities of humans.
James Christophers
2021-05-04 22:08:52 UTC
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Some good points in his presentation. The graph at the bottom of the page indicates the CCC and UN aren't looking at all the facts.
It's a dead cert the CCC and the UN will be looking closely at the fact that the Amazon forests - "the lungs of the world" - are now a net emitter of CO2. This change is solely down to human activity.

Since the earth's atmosphere is critical to all life and is also the only one we have, best, I think, not to fuck about with it overmuch because there is no association with benefits, and a significant association with harms. I'm talking about total man-made global emissions, gaseous and particulate et al.
BR
2021-05-05 17:11:11 UTC
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On Tue, 4 May 2021 15:08:52 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
...the Amazon forests - "the lungs of the world" - are now a net emitter of CO2. This change is solely down to human activity.
Where did you get that from?

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George Black
2021-05-05 20:08:35 UTC
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On Tue, 4 May 2021 15:08:52 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
...the Amazon forests - "the lungs of the world" - are now a net emitter of CO2. This change is solely down to human activity.
Where did you get that from?
Bill.
Has the idiot seen the size of the Amazon forest????????
John Bowes
2021-05-05 21:33:08 UTC
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On Tue, 4 May 2021 15:08:52 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
...the Amazon forests - "the lungs of the world" - are now a net emitter of CO2. This change is solely down to human activity.
Where did you get that from?
Bill.
Has the idiot seen the size of the Amazon forest????????
In this case he's parroting what many scientists are saying. Our greed for hardwood trees and palm oil are destroying immense tracts of the Amazon on an annual basis and the governments that have control over it's area are failing to curtail it. Part of the problem is when the cleared land is planted in oil palms or other crops it's only good for a couple of seasons before it becomes uneconomical to farm because the land is in fact poor in nutrients and chemicals (many which come from the sahara). Thus causing further clearing. It's a bit like when Keith joins a thread: a never ending story :)
John Bowes
2021-05-05 21:28:04 UTC
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On Tue, 4 May 2021 15:08:52 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
...the Amazon forests - "the lungs of the world" - are now a net emitter of CO2. This change is solely down to human activity.
Where did you get that from?
Bill.
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It's an old belief pushed by the UN's band of mythmakers. Though he is correct that the Amazon forest are important to the worlds health. But typical of the climate fanatics like Keith it's considered holy writ and ignores all the other things that can affect climate. Hell some climate scientists are wondering if what's happening is leading to another ice age along with worries about a pole shift which could very well screw every electronic device and electrical system in the world :)
James Christophers
2021-05-06 02:26:14 UTC
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Post by BR
On Tue, 4 May 2021 15:08:52 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
...the Amazon forests - "the lungs of the world" - are now a net emitter of CO2. This change is solely down to human activity.
Where did you get that from?
From sources equally available to you online free of charge. All that's required is a little effort on your part to secure the knowledge you evidently lack...
John Bowes
2021-05-06 05:04:12 UTC
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On Tue, 4 May 2021 15:08:52 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
...the Amazon forests - "the lungs of the world" - are now a net emitter of CO2. This change is solely down to human activity.
Where did you get that from?
From sources equally available to you online free of charge. All that's required is a little effort on your part to secure the knowledge you evidently lack...
Pity you don't practice what you preach Keith :0
BR
2021-05-07 06:10:51 UTC
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On Wed, 5 May 2021 19:26:14 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
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On Tue, 4 May 2021 15:08:52 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
...the Amazon forests - "the lungs of the world" - are now a net emitter of CO2. This change is solely down to human activity.
Where did you get that from?
From sources equally available to you online free of charge. All that's required is a little effort on your part to secure the knowledge you evidently lack...
Every opinion is represented on the internet.

So what is the source of the above claim, and how was it's accuracy
determined?

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Rich80105
2021-05-07 10:26:24 UTC
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On Wed, 5 May 2021 19:26:14 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
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On Tue, 4 May 2021 15:08:52 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
...the Amazon forests - "the lungs of the world" - are now a net emitter of CO2. This change is solely down to human activity.
Where did you get that from?
From sources equally available to you online free of charge. All that's required is a little effort on your part to secure the knowledge you evidently lack...
Every opinion is represented on the internet.
So what is the source of the above claim, and how was it's accuracy
determined?
Bill.
You are identifying a perennial problem, and a question that can be
legitimately asked with respect to the articles by Ian Bradford, but
in defence of Tony who drew the attention of nz.general readers to
those articles, neither he not the author pretends that they are
anything other than opinions. It is my opinion that the articles are
worth what I paid to read them; others may hold different opinions.

Regarding the statement about the Amazon Forests, I suggest a few
simple relevant Google searches on the internet; if that does not
result in a reasonable answer fairly quickly, post the searches you
tried and ask for one that gives the statement made above.
John Bowes
2021-05-07 22:00:11 UTC
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Post by BR
On Wed, 5 May 2021 19:26:14 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by BR
On Tue, 4 May 2021 15:08:52 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
...the Amazon forests - "the lungs of the world" - are now a net emitter of CO2. This change is solely down to human activity.
Where did you get that from?
From sources equally available to you online free of charge. All that's required is a little effort on your part to secure the knowledge you evidently lack...
Every opinion is represented on the internet.
So what is the source of the above claim, and how was it's accuracy
determined?
Bill.
You are identifying a perennial problem, and a question that can be
legitimately asked with respect to the articles by Ian Bradford, but
in defence of Tony who drew the attention of nz.general readers to
those articles, neither he not the author pretends that they are
anything other than opinions. It is my opinion that the articles are
worth what I paid to read them; others may hold different opinions.
Everything posted in the news and on the net ia opinion Rich. some are of interest and value but many are like yours worthless and support modern myths like climate change.
Post by Rich80105
Regarding the statement about the Amazon Forests, I suggest a few
simple relevant Google searches on the internet; if that does not
result in a reasonable answer fairly quickly, post the searches you
tried and ask for one that gives the statement made above.
Old news and old data Rich. They're starting to understand that the oceans are even more important than the amazon rain forset which is a major producer of methane which is the current bad gas1 Though much of it's emissions can be stopped by better maintenance of industrial facilities.
Gordon
2021-05-08 04:38:33 UTC
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On Wed, 5 May 2021 19:26:14 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by BR
On Tue, 4 May 2021 15:08:52 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
...the Amazon forests - "the lungs of the world" - are now a net emitter of CO2. This change is solely down to human activity.
Where did you get that from?
From sources equally available to you online free of charge. All that's required is a little effort on your part to secure the knowledge you evidently lack...
Every opinion is represented on the internet.
So what is the source of the above claim, and how was it's accuracy
determined?
Deforeststation. The trees are being cut down and the carbon in them
converted to CO2. This is not strictly the forest doing this.

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