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JohnO
2021-09-28 06:37:18 UTC
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Most countries have seen this... the curve always hits an asmptote, and it has generally been in the 65% to 75% range. The UK has been exceptional in hitting 82%.

But the government, as always, has no plan. Eventually polling pressure will cause it to react and come up with something. Always reacting. Never planning. The story of the whole pandemic in NZ.
Tony
2021-09-28 07:01:51 UTC
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Most countries have seen this... the curve always hits an asmptote, and it has
generally been in the 65% to 75% range. The UK has been exceptional in hitting
82%.
But the government, as always, has no plan. Eventually polling pressure will
cause it to react and come up with something. Always reacting. Never planning.
The story of the whole pandemic in NZ.
Planning is not what they do, they do however have high hopes - reminds me of a
song. All together now.
John Bowes
2021-09-28 10:13:02 UTC
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300418083/covid19-nz-vaccinations-are-hitting-a-wall-and-the-government-needed-a-plan-for-this-yesterday
Most countries have seen this... the curve always hits an asmptote, and it has
generally been in the 65% to 75% range. The UK has been exceptional in hitting
82%.
But the government, as always, has no plan. Eventually polling pressure will
cause it to react and come up with something. Always reacting. Never planning.
The story of the whole pandemic in NZ.
Planning is not what they do, they do however have high hopes - reminds me of a
song. All together now.
Pity high hopes and talking about problems have never ever fixed them!
Crash
2021-09-28 07:45:40 UTC
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300418083/covid19-nz-vaccinations-are-hitting-a-wall-and-the-government-needed-a-plan-for-this-yesterday
Most countries have seen this... the curve always hits an asmptote, and it has generally been in the 65% to 75% range. The UK has been exceptional in hitting 82%.
But the government, as always, has no plan. Eventually polling pressure will cause it to react and come up with something. Always reacting. Never planning. The story of the whole pandemic in NZ.
It seems that no-one has thought this through. Legislating or
cajoling all of us to get vaccinated is not going to work.

What might work is allowing businesses to insist that public-facing
employees be vaccinated (as a health-and-safety requirement). My
barber has already hinted that in future she and her staff will not
accept customers that are not vaccinated. This requires proof of
vaccination being available though. If employment law changes are
required to allow employers to do this then get this done. This will
mean that the anti-vaxxers will face barriers to employment and use of
services.

Consumers may well choose to use only those service-providers that
serve the vaccinated.

This means that significant incentives to be vaccinated are in place
such that compulsion is redundant.


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JohnO
2021-09-28 22:58:41 UTC
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300418083/covid19-nz-vaccinations-are-hitting-a-wall-and-the-government-needed-a-plan-for-this-yesterday
Most countries have seen this... the curve always hits an asmptote, and it has generally been in the 65% to 75% range. The UK has been exceptional in hitting 82%.
But the government, as always, has no plan. Eventually polling pressure will cause it to react and come up with something. Always reacting. Never planning. The story of the whole pandemic in NZ.
It seems that no-one has thought this through. Legislating or
cajoling all of us to get vaccinated is not going to work.
What might work is allowing businesses to insist that public-facing
employees be vaccinated (as a health-and-safety requirement). My
barber has already hinted that in future she and her staff will not
accept customers that are not vaccinated. This requires proof of
vaccination being available though. If employment law changes are
required to allow employers to do this then get this done. This will
mean that the anti-vaxxers will face barriers to employment and use of
services.
Consumers may well choose to use only those service-providers that
serve the vaccinated.
This means that significant incentives to be vaccinated are in place
such that compulsion is redundant.
Everyone receives their record card for keeps as they exit the vaccination booth. Better than nothing and sufficient for now, I'd have thought.
Rather easy to forge though. For now it will have to do as the government has nothing to offer, after all these months, for a vaccine passport. I expect when they finally do reveal one it will be as cumbersome as the first iterations of the Covid tracer app. They should just update the Covid tracer app to store a certificate in QR code format, and for people who don't want the app, allow a QR certificate to be requested downloaded. Then update the app to allow these QR certificates to be scanned and validated. That way any venue wanting to only allow in the vaccinated can use the app to scan in their customers' QR certs.
Mutlley
2021-09-29 21:26:17 UTC
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300418083/covid19-nz-vaccinations-are-hitting-a-wall-and-the-government-needed-a-plan-for-this-yesterday
Most countries have seen this... the curve always hits an asmptote, and it has generally been in the 65% to 75% range. The UK has been exceptional in hitting 82%.
But the government, as always, has no plan. Eventually polling pressure will cause it to react and come up with something. Always reacting. Never planning. The story of the whole pandemic in NZ.
It seems that no-one has thought this through. Legislating or
cajoling all of us to get vaccinated is not going to work.
What might work is allowing businesses to insist that public-facing
employees be vaccinated (as a health-and-safety requirement). My
barber has already hinted that in future she and her staff will not
accept customers that are not vaccinated. This requires proof of
vaccination being available though. If employment law changes are
required to allow employers to do this then get this done. This will
mean that the anti-vaxxers will face barriers to employment and use of
services.
Consumers may well choose to use only those service-providers that
serve the vaccinated.
This means that significant incentives to be vaccinated are in place
such that compulsion is redundant.
Everyone receives their record card for keeps as they exit the vaccination booth. Better than nothing and sufficient for now, I'd have thought.
Ah no they don't . Got my first jab and got the card but when I got
the second one they said that they don't use them anymore and you have
to go to your med center to get proof of the vax.
Gordon
2021-09-30 02:45:40 UTC
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Post by JohnO
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300418083/covid19-nz-vaccinations-are-hitting-a-wall-and-the-government-needed-a-plan-for-this-yesterday
Most countries have seen this... the curve always hits an asmptote, and it has generally been in the 65% to 75% range. The UK has been exceptional in hitting 82%.
But the government, as always, has no plan. Eventually polling pressure will cause it to react and come up with something. Always reacting. Never planning. The story of the whole pandemic in NZ.
It seems that no-one has thought this through. Legislating or
cajoling all of us to get vaccinated is not going to work.
What might work is allowing businesses to insist that public-facing
employees be vaccinated (as a health-and-safety requirement). My
barber has already hinted that in future she and her staff will not
accept customers that are not vaccinated. This requires proof of
vaccination being available though. If employment law changes are
required to allow employers to do this then get this done. This will
mean that the anti-vaxxers will face barriers to employment and use of
services.
Consumers may well choose to use only those service-providers that
serve the vaccinated.
This means that significant incentives to be vaccinated are in place
such that compulsion is redundant.
Everyone receives their record card for keeps as they exit the vaccination booth. Better than nothing and sufficient for now, I'd have thought.
Ah no they don't . Got my first jab and got the card but when I got
the second one they said that they don't use them anymore and you have
to go to your med center to get proof of the vax.
There we go, more evidence, as if any was needed that all this covid stuff
is being done on the fly. Confusion lives.
James Christophers
2021-09-30 04:43:55 UTC
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Post by JohnO
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300418083/covid19-nz-vaccinations-are-hitting-a-wall-and-the-government-needed-a-plan-for-this-yesterday
Most countries have seen this... the curve always hits an asmptote, and it has generally been in the 65% to 75% range. The UK has been exceptional in hitting 82%.
But the government, as always, has no plan. Eventually polling pressure will cause it to react and come up with something. Always reacting. Never planning. The story of the whole pandemic in NZ.
It seems that no-one has thought this through. Legislating or
cajoling all of us to get vaccinated is not going to work.
What might work is allowing businesses to insist that public-facing
employees be vaccinated (as a health-and-safety requirement). My
barber has already hinted that in future she and her staff will not
accept customers that are not vaccinated. This requires proof of
vaccination being available though. If employment law changes are
required to allow employers to do this then get this done. This will
mean that the anti-vaxxers will face barriers to employment and use of
services.
Consumers may well choose to use only those service-providers that
serve the vaccinated.
This means that significant incentives to be vaccinated are in place
such that compulsion is redundant.
Everyone receives their record card for keeps as they exit the vaccination booth. Better than nothing and sufficient for now, I'd have thought.
Ah no they don't . Got my first jab and got the card but when I got
the second one they said that they don't use them anymore and you have
to go to your med center to get proof of the vax.
There we go, more evidence, as if any was needed that all this covid stuff
is being done on the fly. Confusion lives.
It may well - but as I always say, this country has no alternative but to operate on whatever talents exist among its residual 3.5 million-or-whatever adult population when too many of its best and brightest have hightailed it out of the country to better prospects and rewards. Having always allowed for this historically pernicious talent deficit since my first arrival, I'm pretty philosophical about issues to do with our various public service bodies. I know they're doing their very best no matter what's thrown at them, particularly those at the sharp end of things, medical or otherwise. I also find that the less one goes looking for trouble the less one finds one's self confronted by it.

To be recommended, then.
George Black
2021-09-30 18:58:46 UTC
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Post by JohnO
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300418083/covid19-nz-vaccinations-are-hitting-a-wall-and-the-government-needed-a-plan-for-this-yesterday
Most countries have seen this... the curve always hits an asmptote, and it has generally been in the 65% to 75% range. The UK has been exceptional in hitting 82%.
But the government, as always, has no plan. Eventually polling pressure will cause it to react and come up with something. Always reacting. Never planning. The story of the whole pandemic in NZ.
It seems that no-one has thought this through. Legislating or
cajoling all of us to get vaccinated is not going to work.
What might work is allowing businesses to insist that public-facing
employees be vaccinated (as a health-and-safety requirement). My
barber has already hinted that in future she and her staff will not
accept customers that are not vaccinated. This requires proof of
vaccination being available though. If employment law changes are
required to allow employers to do this then get this done. This will
mean that the anti-vaxxers will face barriers to employment and use of
services.
Consumers may well choose to use only those service-providers that
serve the vaccinated.
This means that significant incentives to be vaccinated are in place
such that compulsion is redundant.
Everyone receives their record card for keeps as they exit the vaccination booth. Better than nothing and sufficient for now, I'd have thought.
Ah no they don't . Got my first jab and got the card but when I got
the second one they said that they don't use them anymore and you have
to go to your med center to get proof of the vax.
There we go, more evidence, as if any was needed that all this covid stuff
is being done on the fly. Confusion lives.
They have to keep up the fear and uncertainty.
Its the only way they think that they can remain in power..
Look at the Aussies.
They are starting to riot and the police are unable to handle the crowds
because they dont have the ability to deescalate the situation.
And the crowds are starting to hit back
John Bowes
2021-09-30 20:33:33 UTC
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Post by JohnO
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300418083/covid19-nz-vaccinations-are-hitting-a-wall-and-the-government-needed-a-plan-for-this-yesterday
Most countries have seen this... the curve always hits an asmptote, and it has generally been in the 65% to 75% range. The UK has been exceptional in hitting 82%.
But the government, as always, has no plan. Eventually polling pressure will cause it to react and come up with something. Always reacting. Never planning. The story of the whole pandemic in NZ.
It seems that no-one has thought this through. Legislating or
cajoling all of us to get vaccinated is not going to work.
What might work is allowing businesses to insist that public-facing
employees be vaccinated (as a health-and-safety requirement). My
barber has already hinted that in future she and her staff will not
accept customers that are not vaccinated. This requires proof of
vaccination being available though. If employment law changes are
required to allow employers to do this then get this done. This will
mean that the anti-vaxxers will face barriers to employment and use of
services.
Consumers may well choose to use only those service-providers that
serve the vaccinated.
This means that significant incentives to be vaccinated are in place
such that compulsion is redundant.
Everyone receives their record card for keeps as they exit the vaccination booth. Better than nothing and sufficient for now, I'd have thought.
Ah no they don't . Got my first jab and got the card but when I got
the second one they said that they don't use them anymore and you have
to go to your med center to get proof of the vax.
There we go, more evidence, as if any was needed that all this covid stuff
is being done on the fly. Confusion lives.
They have to keep up the fear and uncertainty.
Its the only way they think that they can remain in power..
Look at the Aussies.
They are starting to riot and the police are unable to handle the crowds
because they dont have the ability to deescalate the situation.
And the crowds are starting to hit back
Meanwhile it seems some Kiwi are murdering their own because of lockdown stress.
Rich80105
2021-10-01 03:36:32 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
Post by George Black
Post by Gordon
Post by JohnO
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300418083/covid19-nz-vaccinations-are-hitting-a-wall-and-the-government-needed-a-plan-for-this-yesterday
Most countries have seen this... the curve always hits an asmptote, and it has generally been in the 65% to 75% range. The UK has been exceptional in hitting 82%.
But the government, as always, has no plan. Eventually polling pressure will cause it to react and come up with something. Always reacting. Never planning. The story of the whole pandemic in NZ.
It seems that no-one has thought this through. Legislating or
cajoling all of us to get vaccinated is not going to work.
What might work is allowing businesses to insist that public-facing
employees be vaccinated (as a health-and-safety requirement). My
barber has already hinted that in future she and her staff will not
accept customers that are not vaccinated. This requires proof of
vaccination being available though. If employment law changes are
required to allow employers to do this then get this done. This will
mean that the anti-vaxxers will face barriers to employment and use of
services.
Consumers may well choose to use only those service-providers that
serve the vaccinated.
This means that significant incentives to be vaccinated are in place
such that compulsion is redundant.
Everyone receives their record card for keeps as they exit the vaccination booth. Better than nothing and sufficient for now, I'd have thought.
Ah no they don't . Got my first jab and got the card but when I got
the second one they said that they don't use them anymore and you have
to go to your med center to get proof of the vax.
There we go, more evidence, as if any was needed that all this covid stuff
is being done on the fly. Confusion lives.
They have to keep up the fear and uncertainty.
Its the only way they think that they can remain in power..
Look at the Aussies.
They are starting to riot and the police are unable to handle the crowds
because they dont have the ability to deescalate the situation.
And the crowds are starting to hit back
That is what comes from mindless authoritarian "LauraNorder" types -
no balanced approach with warnings and a gradual escalation as
education and the evidence of the need for following the rules has had
time to be realised. The NZ "policing by consent" has had much bette
results; although there are idiots that will not listen (Bishop Tamaki
etc), and of course there are opposition politicians who foment
dissatisfaction for the sake of it.

Look at the Aussies is sage advice - dropping restrictions too early
can lead to total loss of control - putting enabling bars to open
ahead of 1000 cases and 6 deaths per week is just crazy - especially
as the most vulnerable will be the very young . . ..
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Meanwhile it seems some Kiwi are murdering their own because of lockdown stress.
John Bowes
2021-10-01 07:12:10 UTC
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 13:33:33 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by George Black
Post by Gordon
Post by JohnO
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300418083/covid19-nz-vaccinations-are-hitting-a-wall-and-the-government-needed-a-plan-for-this-yesterday
Most countries have seen this... the curve always hits an asmptote, and it has generally been in the 65% to 75% range. The UK has been exceptional in hitting 82%.
But the government, as always, has no plan. Eventually polling pressure will cause it to react and come up with something. Always reacting. Never planning. The story of the whole pandemic in NZ.
It seems that no-one has thought this through. Legislating or
cajoling all of us to get vaccinated is not going to work.
What might work is allowing businesses to insist that public-facing
employees be vaccinated (as a health-and-safety requirement). My
barber has already hinted that in future she and her staff will not
accept customers that are not vaccinated. This requires proof of
vaccination being available though. If employment law changes are
required to allow employers to do this then get this done. This will
mean that the anti-vaxxers will face barriers to employment and use of
services.
Consumers may well choose to use only those service-providers that
serve the vaccinated.
This means that significant incentives to be vaccinated are in place
such that compulsion is redundant.
Everyone receives their record card for keeps as they exit the vaccination booth. Better than nothing and sufficient for now, I'd have thought.
Ah no they don't . Got my first jab and got the card but when I got
the second one they said that they don't use them anymore and you have
to go to your med center to get proof of the vax.
There we go, more evidence, as if any was needed that all this covid stuff
is being done on the fly. Confusion lives.
They have to keep up the fear and uncertainty.
Its the only way they think that they can remain in power..
Look at the Aussies.
They are starting to riot and the police are unable to handle the crowds
because they dont have the ability to deescalate the situation.
And the crowds are starting to hit back
That is what comes from mindless authoritarian "LauraNorder" types -
no balanced approach with warnings and a gradual escalation as
education and the evidence of the need for following the rules has had
time to be realised. The NZ "policing by consent" has had much bette
results; although there are idiots that will not listen (Bishop Tamaki
etc), and of course there are opposition politicians who foment
dissatisfaction for the sake of it.
While the government has no plan and continues to be closed and stupid! Try getting your head out of your arse and read some of the honest reports Rich. Relying on the clowns that inhabit the Cindy hour daily (though I see she's leaving it to hipkins and Bloomfield these days) only makes you look like a bigger imbecile than you are Rich prick!
Post by Rich80105
Look at the Aussies is sage advice - dropping restrictions too early
can lead to total loss of control - putting enabling bars to open
ahead of 1000 cases and 6 deaths per week is just crazy - especially
as the most vulnerable will be the very young . . ..
Better still look at New Zealand where kids are going hungry because they're not going to school AND poverty seems to be increasing! Not to mention the rise in family violence cases and now Bloomfield is telling us we'll never see level one again but he's still waffling about the impossibility of elimination! Poor buggers been standing to close to Ardern and caught her ability to deceive the people on a daily basis!

Time both these buggers were consigned to the trash can along with you Rich prick!
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Post by John Bowes
Meanwhile it seems some Kiwi are murdering their own because of lockdown stress.
George Black
2021-10-01 19:00:49 UTC
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Better still look at New Zealand where kids are going hungry because they're not going to school AND poverty seems to be increasing! Not to mention the rise in family violence cases and now Bloomfield is telling us we'll never see level one again but he's still waffling about the impossibility of elimination! Poor buggers been standing to close to Ardern and caught her ability to deceive the people on a daily basis!
Time both these buggers were consigned to the trash can along with you Rich prick!
There is retribution coming.
One of the Aussie liars has just quit before the excrement intersects
the fan blades.
The dolts at the dais have their day coming
Rich80105
2021-10-01 20:13:01 UTC
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Better still look at New Zealand where kids are going hungry because they're not going to school AND poverty seems to be increasing! Not to mention the rise in family violence cases and now Bloomfield is telling us we'll never see level one again but he's still waffling about the impossibility of elimination! Poor buggers been standing to close to Ardern and caught her ability to deceive the people on a daily basis!
Time both these buggers were consigned to the trash can along with you Rich prick!
There is retribution coming.
One of the Aussie liars has just quit before the excrement intersects
the fan blades.
The dolts at the dais have their day coming
Berejiklian had clearly lost control of covid through weak decisions
over some time, but she may also have been aware of the corruption
allegations when she gave up daily briefings. Our NZ Government has
been much more successful at both saving lives and protecting business
- while international tourism may take a long time to recover,
domestic tourism has started - in Wellington the WOW exhibition has
been cancelled, but hotel bookings are still high for the next few
weeks - some for the exhibition at Te Papa, but many who have decided
that Wellington is worth travelling to anyway. Our GDP has held up
better than most countries (or perhaps that should be better than
nearly all countries), and our government debt remains lower than most
countries . . .

Crash
2021-09-28 23:47:16 UTC
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Post by JohnO
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300418083/covid19-nz-vaccinations-are-hitting-a-wall-and-the-government-needed-a-plan-for-this-yesterday
Most countries have seen this... the curve always hits an asmptote, and it has generally been in the 65% to 75% range. The UK has been exceptional in hitting 82%.
But the government, as always, has no plan. Eventually polling pressure will cause it to react and come up with something. Always reacting. Never planning. The story of the whole pandemic in NZ.
It seems that no-one has thought this through. Legislating or
cajoling all of us to get vaccinated is not going to work.
What might work is allowing businesses to insist that public-facing
employees be vaccinated (as a health-and-safety requirement). My
barber has already hinted that in future she and her staff will not
accept customers that are not vaccinated. This requires proof of
vaccination being available though. If employment law changes are
required to allow employers to do this then get this done. This will
mean that the anti-vaxxers will face barriers to employment and use of
services.
Consumers may well choose to use only those service-providers that
serve the vaccinated.
This means that significant incentives to be vaccinated are in place
such that compulsion is redundant.
Everyone receives their record card for keeps as they exit the vaccination booth. Better than nothing and sufficient for now, I'd have thought.
Easily forged, but in fact forgery is not needed because a photocopy
is all that is needed. Just produce the card (anyone else's will do
if you are not vaxxed) and away you go. So no - not better than
nothing.


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JohnO
2021-09-29 04:20:22 UTC
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 13:58:10 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by JohnO
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300418083/covid19-nz-vaccinations-are-hitting-a-wall-and-the-government-needed-a-plan-for-this-yesterday
Most countries have seen this... the curve always hits an asmptote, and it has generally been in the 65% to 75% range. The UK has been exceptional in hitting 82%.
But the government, as always, has no plan. Eventually polling pressure will cause it to react and come up with something. Always reacting. Never planning. The story of the whole pandemic in NZ.
It seems that no-one has thought this through. Legislating or
cajoling all of us to get vaccinated is not going to work.
What might work is allowing businesses to insist that public-facing
employees be vaccinated (as a health-and-safety requirement). My
barber has already hinted that in future she and her staff will not
accept customers that are not vaccinated. This requires proof of
vaccination being available though. If employment law changes are
required to allow employers to do this then get this done. This will
mean that the anti-vaxxers will face barriers to employment and use of
services.
Consumers may well choose to use only those service-providers that
serve the vaccinated.
This means that significant incentives to be vaccinated are in place
such that compulsion is redundant.
Everyone receives their record card for keeps as they exit the vaccination booth. Better than nothing and sufficient for now, I'd have thought.
Easily forged, but in fact forgery is not needed because a photocopy
is all that is needed. Just produce the card (anyone else's will do
if you are not vaxxed) and away you go. So no - not better than
nothing.
Yep hence my comment about using the app to scan a QR vax certificate - which can not only validate the certificate but match the embedded in it. This name can be checked against name on credit card or D/L.

I really hope that the government delay on this will be due to them creating an internationally compatible vaccine passport, and not something hokey.
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George Black
2021-09-29 18:54:19 UTC
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Yep hence my comment about using the app to scan a QR vax certificate - which can not only validate the certificate but match the embedded in it. This name can be checked against name on credit card or D/L.
I really hope that the government delay on this will be due to them creating an internationally compatible vaccine passport, and not something hokey.
It has now come down to scare tactics.
Watch how there will be 'unknown' sources of infection claimed and pleas
for every-one to have foreign bodies shoved up their nose because.

And to heighten the alarm
And traces of Covid in a cities water.
Did it get there by patient or by perp ???
JohnO
2021-09-29 19:39:49 UTC
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Yep hence my comment about using the app to scan a QR vax certificate - which can not only validate the certificate but match the embedded in it. This name can be checked against name on credit card or D/L.
I really hope that the government delay on this will be due to them creating an internationally compatible vaccine passport, and not something hokey.
It has now come down to scare tactics.
Watch how there will be 'unknown' sources of infection claimed and pleas
for every-one to have foreign bodies shoved up their nose because.
And to heighten the alarm
And traces of Covid in a cities water.
Did it get there by patient or by perp ???
Wastewater tracing is not as useful as it sounds. Recovered cases continue to shed virus particles for some time and there's no information on where people who have left Jetpark are living.
Gordon
2021-09-29 01:21:46 UTC
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Post by JohnO
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300418083/covid19-nz-vaccinations-are-hitting-a-wall-and-the-government-needed-a-plan-for-this-yesterday
Most countries have seen this... the curve always hits an asmptote, and it has generally been in the 65% to 75% range. The UK has been exceptional in hitting 82%.
But the government, as always, has no plan. Eventually polling pressure will cause it to react and come up with something. Always reacting. Never planning. The story of the whole pandemic in NZ.
It seems that no-one has thought this through. Legislating or
cajoling all of us to get vaccinated is not going to work.
What might work is allowing businesses to insist that public-facing
employees be vaccinated (as a health-and-safety requirement). My
barber has already hinted that in future she and her staff will not
accept customers that are not vaccinated. This requires proof of
vaccination being available though. If employment law changes are
required to allow employers to do this then get this done. This will
mean that the anti-vaxxers will face barriers to employment and use of
services.
People have the right to refuse medical treatment, so saying they must get
vaccinated is getting onto thin ice.

People also have a right to their opinion, beliefs etc.

This whole vaccination passport idea could blow up in ones face, or fuel the
divide.
Consumers may well choose to use only those service-providers that
serve the vaccinated.
This means that significant incentives to be vaccinated are in place
such that compulsion is redundant.
Everyone receives their record card for keeps as they exit the vaccination booth. Better than nothing and sufficient for now, I'd have thought.
Yep, the black market will supply what is needed if the profit is great
enough.
James Christophers
2021-09-29 02:02:38 UTC
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Post by JohnO
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300418083/covid19-nz-vaccinations-are-hitting-a-wall-and-the-government-needed-a-plan-for-this-yesterday
Most countries have seen this... the curve always hits an asmptote, and it has generally been in the 65% to 75% range. The UK has been exceptional in hitting 82%.
But the government, as always, has no plan. Eventually polling pressure will cause it to react and come up with something. Always reacting. Never planning. The story of the whole pandemic in NZ.
It seems that no-one has thought this through. Legislating or
cajoling all of us to get vaccinated is not going to work.
What might work is allowing businesses to insist that public-facing
employees be vaccinated (as a health-and-safety requirement). My
barber has already hinted that in future she and her staff will not
accept customers that are not vaccinated. This requires proof of
vaccination being available though. If employment law changes are
required to allow employers to do this then get this done. This will
mean that the anti-vaxxers will face barriers to employment and use of
services.
People have the right to refuse medical treatment, so saying they must get
vaccinated is getting onto thin ice.
Covid-19 and its variants are legally notifiable diseases.

Now take it forward from there.
James Christophers
2021-09-29 02:06:23 UTC
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Post by JohnO
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300418083/covid19-nz-vaccinations-are-hitting-a-wall-and-the-government-needed-a-plan-for-this-yesterday
Most countries have seen this... the curve always hits an asmptote, and it has generally been in the 65% to 75% range. The UK has been exceptional in hitting 82%.
But the government, as always, has no plan. Eventually polling pressure will cause it to react and come up with something. Always reacting. Never planning. The story of the whole pandemic in NZ.
It seems that no-one has thought this through. Legislating or
cajoling all of us to get vaccinated is not going to work.
What might work is allowing businesses to insist that public-facing
employees be vaccinated (as a health-and-safety requirement). My
barber has already hinted that in future she and her staff will not
accept customers that are not vaccinated. This requires proof of
vaccination being available though. If employment law changes are
required to allow employers to do this then get this done. This will
mean that the anti-vaxxers will face barriers to employment and use of
services.
People have the right to refuse medical treatment, so saying they must get
vaccinated is getting onto thin ice.
People also have a right to their opinion, beliefs etc.
This whole vaccination passport idea could blow up in ones face, or fuel the
divide.
Consumers may well choose to use only those service-providers that
serve the vaccinated.
This means that significant incentives to be vaccinated are in place
such that compulsion is redundant.
Everyone receives their record card for keeps as they exit the vaccination booth. Better than nothing and sufficient for now, I'd have thought.
Yep, the black market will supply what is needed if the profit is great
enough.
You know I only suggest it as a stop gap measure. Credit card technology can accomplish whatever it takes, the sooner and simpler the better.
Gordon
2021-09-29 01:09:38 UTC
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Post by JohnO
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300418083/covid19-nz-vaccinations-are-hitting-a-wall-and-the-government-needed-a-plan-for-this-yesterday
Most countries have seen this... the curve always hits an asmptote, and it has generally been in the 65% to 75% range. The UK has been exceptional in hitting 82%.
But the government, as always, has no plan. Eventually polling pressure will cause it to react and come up with something. Always reacting. Never planning. The story of the whole pandemic in NZ.
Some others with high vaccinate rates. The UK has done well but it is not out
front all by itself.

Uruguay 87.5%
Maldives 97.5%
United Arab Emirates 92.3%
Singapore 80.6%
Qatar 79.4%
Malta 85%

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/#dvz-section-purchasing

This has the UK on 73% for one dose. Must admit that % vaccination can be a)
full, b) partial, c) of whole population d) of 12+ of population.
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