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Rich80105
2021-06-06 01:36:39 UTC
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https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/02-06-2021/live-updates-june-2-collins-responds-after-report-suggesting-she-forced-nick-smith-to-resign/

Buried in that article is "1.00pm: Vaccine roll-out 9% ahead of
schedule; 235k people fully vaccinated"

and also success internationally :
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/apec-2021-new-zealand-secures-global-covid-19-coronavirus-vaccine-access-deal/SW7FGACI2BIQB7PQOLOYYGMEXE/

Taken together, we can say we continue to do very well compared with
other countries (I feel for Melbourne where I leved for a number of
years), and also that we will only get through the pandemic when we
and all countries that we trade with have similar levels of full
vaccination; even then there is teh possibiity that we will have to
repeat the whole process with new strains of virus.
John Bowes
2021-06-06 05:45:15 UTC
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https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/02-06-2021/live-updates-june-2-collins-responds-after-report-suggesting-she-forced-nick-smith-to-resign/
Buried in that article is "1.00pm: Vaccine roll-out 9% ahead of
schedule; 235k people fully vaccinated"
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/apec-2021-new-zealand-secures-global-covid-19-coronavirus-vaccine-access-deal/SW7FGACI2BIQB7PQOLOYYGMEXE/
Taken together, we can say we continue to do very well compared with
other countries (I feel for Melbourne where I leved for a number of
years), and also that we will only get through the pandemic when we
and all countries that we trade with have similar levels of full
vaccination; even then there is teh possibiity that we will have to
repeat the whole process with new strains of virus.
Then there's this! https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/125356411/were-running-it-very-much-to-the-wire-why-our-covid19-vaccine-stocks-are-low
Sure the government has gauranteed supply from Pfzer. The question is : by which Christmas!....
Plus they STILL haven't vaccinated all the frontline workers! Great the put us in lock down. Had to agree with that and would have been happier if Ardern had listened to Bloomfield and not waited for two weeks and a phone call to her friends in the UK!
Willy Nilly
2021-06-06 09:15:47 UTC
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vaccination; even then there is teh possibiity that we will have to
repeat the whole process with new strains of virus.
Read up on Marek's disease in chickens, which started out as a minor
virus. The vaccine for it made the disease so virulent it now kills
100% of chickens. It, like the COVID vaccine, is a "leaky" vaccine
which does not kill the virus but simply prevents symptoms.

Normal auto-immunity selects for a weaker virus because the strong
virulent ones kill their hosts and so die with their hosts. Leaky
vaccines select for a strong virulent virus because only those
successfully transmit through the leaky-vaccinated. So it is the
vaccines themselves which are causing the eruption of new virulent
variants of COVID. The more that get vaccinated, the more virulent
the virus becomes, in a non-ending rivalry of one-upmanship.

We could be looking at a future where in 50 years, humans are no
longer part of the biological world, but will have to be continuously
vaccinated to stay alive in a biosphere wracked with virulent viruses.
Which is where chickens are today.

If nothing had been done, we'd have had a world-wide pandemic
resulting in a minor die-off of the very elderly and everything would
have been back to normal, about now.

Posting this makes me feel ill. If they can find a proper vaccine
that prevents infection, as a vaccine is supposed to do, then this
nightmare scenario can be broken out of. But if we're in the soup in
50 years' time, maybe the only escape will be to become cyborgs. At
least that way we can live on Mars (being positive here!).
Rich80105
2021-06-06 10:05:21 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
vaccination; even then there is teh possibiity that we will have to
repeat the whole process with new strains of virus.
Read up on Marek's disease in chickens, which started out as a minor
virus. The vaccine for it made the disease so virulent it now kills
100% of chickens. It, like the COVID vaccine, is a "leaky" vaccine
which does not kill the virus but simply prevents symptoms.
Normal auto-immunity selects for a weaker virus because the strong
virulent ones kill their hosts and so die with their hosts. Leaky
vaccines select for a strong virulent virus because only those
successfully transmit through the leaky-vaccinated. So it is the
vaccines themselves which are causing the eruption of new virulent
variants of COVID. The more that get vaccinated, the more virulent
the virus becomes, in a non-ending rivalry of one-upmanship.
We could be looking at a future where in 50 years, humans are no
longer part of the biological world, but will have to be continuously
vaccinated to stay alive in a biosphere wracked with virulent viruses.
Which is where chickens are today.
If nothing had been done, we'd have had a world-wide pandemic
resulting in a minor die-off of the very elderly and everything would
have been back to normal, about now.
To different degrees, the USA under Trump. Italy, Sweden, South
America and India followed your favoured policy. It did not work out
as you describe . . .
Post by Willy Nilly
Posting this makes me feel ill.
Perhaps you are
Post by Willy Nilly
If they can find a proper vaccine
that prevents infection, as a vaccine is supposed to do, then this
nightmare scenario can be broken out of. But if we're in the soup in
50 years' time, maybe the only escape will be to become cyborgs. At
least that way we can live on Mars (being positive here!).
Tony
2021-06-06 20:47:32 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
vaccination; even then there is teh possibiity that we will have to
repeat the whole process with new strains of virus.
Read up on Marek's disease in chickens, which started out as a minor
virus. The vaccine for it made the disease so virulent it now kills
100% of chickens. It, like the COVID vaccine, is a "leaky" vaccine
which does not kill the virus but simply prevents symptoms.
Normal auto-immunity selects for a weaker virus because the strong
virulent ones kill their hosts and so die with their hosts. Leaky
vaccines select for a strong virulent virus because only those
successfully transmit through the leaky-vaccinated. So it is the
vaccines themselves which are causing the eruption of new virulent
variants of COVID. The more that get vaccinated, the more virulent
the virus becomes, in a non-ending rivalry of one-upmanship.
We could be looking at a future where in 50 years, humans are no
longer part of the biological world, but will have to be continuously
vaccinated to stay alive in a biosphere wracked with virulent viruses.
Which is where chickens are today.
If nothing had been done, we'd have had a world-wide pandemic
resulting in a minor die-off of the very elderly and everything would
have been back to normal, about now.
To different degrees, the USA under Trump. Italy, Sweden, South
America and India followed your favoured policy. It did not work out
as you describe . . .
Post by Willy Nilly
Posting this makes me feel ill.
Perhaps you are
I don't know whether the original post is correct or not, and neither do you,
so why do you have to be abusive?
Oh, I get it, you have the rudeness virus.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Willy Nilly
If they can find a proper vaccine
that prevents infection, as a vaccine is supposed to do, then this
nightmare scenario can be broken out of. But if we're in the soup in
50 years' time, maybe the only escape will be to become cyborgs. At
least that way we can live on Mars (being positive here!).
Rich80105
2021-06-07 02:18:32 UTC
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2021 15:47:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Willy Nilly
Post by Rich80105
vaccination; even then there is teh possibiity that we will have to
repeat the whole process with new strains of virus.
Read up on Marek's disease in chickens, which started out as a minor
virus. The vaccine for it made the disease so virulent it now kills
100% of chickens. It, like the COVID vaccine, is a "leaky" vaccine
which does not kill the virus but simply prevents symptoms.
Normal auto-immunity selects for a weaker virus because the strong
virulent ones kill their hosts and so die with their hosts. Leaky
vaccines select for a strong virulent virus because only those
successfully transmit through the leaky-vaccinated. So it is the
vaccines themselves which are causing the eruption of new virulent
variants of COVID. The more that get vaccinated, the more virulent
the virus becomes, in a non-ending rivalry of one-upmanship.
We could be looking at a future where in 50 years, humans are no
longer part of the biological world, but will have to be continuously
vaccinated to stay alive in a biosphere wracked with virulent viruses.
Which is where chickens are today.
If nothing had been done, we'd have had a world-wide pandemic
resulting in a minor die-off of the very elderly and everything would
have been back to normal, about now.
To different degrees, the USA under Trump. Italy, Sweden, South
America and India followed your favoured policy. It did not work out
as you describe . . .
Post by Willy Nilly
Posting this makes me feel ill.
Perhaps you are
I don't know whether the original post is correct or not, and neither do you,
so why do you have to be abusive?
Oh, I get it, you have the rudeness virus.
Perhaps we should celebrate that WillyNilly, who was able to say "If
nothing had been done, we'd have had a world-wide pandemic
resulting in a minor die-off of the very elderly and everything would
have been back to normal, about now.", also says that "Posting this
makes me feel ill."

For you Tony to then say that you don't know whether the original
poster is correct or not, and that neither do I, is a little bizarre;
as the original poster I gave two urls from which I was able to say:
"1.00pm: Vaccine roll-out 9% ahead of schedule; 235k people fully
vaccinated"
and after a second url:
"Taken together, we can say we continue to do very well compared with
other countries (I feel for Melbourne where I lived for a number of
years), and also that we will only get through the pandemic when we
and all countries that we trade with have similar levels of full
vaccination; even then there is the possibiity that we will have to
repeat the whole process with new strains of virus."

Certainly I believed those statements to be true; but perhaps you were
referring to the statements of Willy Nilly; I have quoted part of his
comments above, but can you pint to any part of Willy Nilly's comments
that you consider may be true?
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Willy Nilly
If they can find a proper vaccine
that prevents infection, as a vaccine is supposed to do, then this
nightmare scenario can be broken out of. But if we're in the soup in
50 years' time, maybe the only escape will be to become cyborgs. At
least that way we can live on Mars (being positive here!).
Tony
2021-06-07 03:15:11 UTC
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2021 15:47:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Willy Nilly
Post by Rich80105
vaccination; even then there is teh possibiity that we will have to
repeat the whole process with new strains of virus.
Read up on Marek's disease in chickens, which started out as a minor
virus. The vaccine for it made the disease so virulent it now kills
100% of chickens. It, like the COVID vaccine, is a "leaky" vaccine
which does not kill the virus but simply prevents symptoms.
Normal auto-immunity selects for a weaker virus because the strong
virulent ones kill their hosts and so die with their hosts. Leaky
vaccines select for a strong virulent virus because only those
successfully transmit through the leaky-vaccinated. So it is the
vaccines themselves which are causing the eruption of new virulent
variants of COVID. The more that get vaccinated, the more virulent
the virus becomes, in a non-ending rivalry of one-upmanship.
We could be looking at a future where in 50 years, humans are no
longer part of the biological world, but will have to be continuously
vaccinated to stay alive in a biosphere wracked with virulent viruses.
Which is where chickens are today.
If nothing had been done, we'd have had a world-wide pandemic
resulting in a minor die-off of the very elderly and everything would
have been back to normal, about now.
To different degrees, the USA under Trump. Italy, Sweden, South
America and India followed your favoured policy. It did not work out
as you describe . . .
Post by Willy Nilly
Posting this makes me feel ill.
Perhaps you are
I don't know whether the original post is correct or not, and neither do you,
so why do you have to be abusive?
Oh, I get it, you have the rudeness virus.
Perhaps we should celebrate that WillyNilly, who was able to say "If
nothing had been done, we'd have had a world-wide pandemic
resulting in a minor die-off of the very elderly and everything would
have been back to normal, about now.", also says that "Posting this
makes me feel ill."
For you Tony to then say that you don't know whether the original
poster is correct or not, and that neither do I, is a little bizarre;
"1.00pm: Vaccine roll-out 9% ahead of schedule; 235k people fully
vaccinated"
"Taken together, we can say we continue to do very well compared with
other countries (I feel for Melbourne where I lived for a number of
years), and also that we will only get through the pandemic when we
and all countries that we trade with have similar levels of full
vaccination; even then there is the possibiity that we will have to
repeat the whole process with new strains of virus."
Certainly I believed those statements to be true; but perhaps you were
referring to the statements of Willy Nilly; I have quoted part of his
comments above, but can you pint to any part of Willy Nilly's comments
that you consider may be true?
I am not interested in your stupidity.
But I will say this - nothing you have posted shows him to be wrong. Nothing at
all.
But then you are a child, believing what you "want" to believe and damn the
fools who don't agree with you.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Willy Nilly
If they can find a proper vaccine
that prevents infection, as a vaccine is supposed to do, then this
nightmare scenario can be broken out of. But if we're in the soup in
50 years' time, maybe the only escape will be to become cyborgs. At
least that way we can live on Mars (being positive here!).
John Bowes
2021-06-07 05:01:51 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 06 Jun 2021 15:47:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Willy Nilly
Post by Rich80105
vaccination; even then there is teh possibiity that we will have to
repeat the whole process with new strains of virus.
Read up on Marek's disease in chickens, which started out as a minor
virus. The vaccine for it made the disease so virulent it now kills
100% of chickens. It, like the COVID vaccine, is a "leaky" vaccine
which does not kill the virus but simply prevents symptoms.
Normal auto-immunity selects for a weaker virus because the strong
virulent ones kill their hosts and so die with their hosts. Leaky
vaccines select for a strong virulent virus because only those
successfully transmit through the leaky-vaccinated. So it is the
vaccines themselves which are causing the eruption of new virulent
variants of COVID. The more that get vaccinated, the more virulent
the virus becomes, in a non-ending rivalry of one-upmanship.
We could be looking at a future where in 50 years, humans are no
longer part of the biological world, but will have to be continuously
vaccinated to stay alive in a biosphere wracked with virulent viruses.
Which is where chickens are today.
If nothing had been done, we'd have had a world-wide pandemic
resulting in a minor die-off of the very elderly and everything would
have been back to normal, about now.
To different degrees, the USA under Trump. Italy, Sweden, South
America and India followed your favoured policy. It did not work out
as you describe . . .
Post by Willy Nilly
Posting this makes me feel ill.
Perhaps you are
I don't know whether the original post is correct or not, and neither do you,
so why do you have to be abusive?
Oh, I get it, you have the rudeness virus.
Perhaps we should celebrate that WillyNilly, who was able to say "If
nothing had been done, we'd have had a world-wide pandemic
resulting in a minor die-off of the very elderly and everything would
have been back to normal, about now.", also says that "Posting this
makes me feel ill."
For you Tony to then say that you don't know whether the original
poster is correct or not, and that neither do I, is a little bizarre;
"1.00pm: Vaccine roll-out 9% ahead of schedule; 235k people fully
vaccinated"
"Taken together, we can say we continue to do very well compared with
other countries (I feel for Melbourne where I lived for a number of
years), and also that we will only get through the pandemic when we
and all countries that we trade with have similar levels of full
vaccination; even then there is the possibiity that we will have to
repeat the whole process with new strains of virus."
Certainly I believed those statements to be true; but perhaps you were
referring to the statements of Willy Nilly; I have quoted part of his
comments above, but can you pint to any part of Willy Nilly's comments
that you consider may be true?
I am not interested in your stupidity.
But I will say this - nothing you have posted shows him to be wrong. Nothing at
all.
But then you are a child, believing what you "want" to believe and damn the
fools who don't agree with you.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Willy Nilly
If they can find a proper vaccine
that prevents infection, as a vaccine is supposed to do, then this
nightmare scenario can be broken out of. But if we're in the soup in
50 years' time, maybe the only escape will be to become cyborgs. At
least that way we can live on Mars (being positive here!).
Willy nilly has once again proved that Rich is nothing but a fucking imbecile! His comments are supported by science and the fact the vaccine has in fact been rushed through. When the DHB finally gets around to giving me a date to get my shot I will line up for it along with many others but hope it's only going to be an annual event even though current evidence suggest it'll be lot more often than that.
George Black
2021-06-07 20:00:35 UTC
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Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 06 Jun 2021 15:47:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Willy Nilly
Post by Rich80105
vaccination; even then there is teh possibiity that we will have to
repeat the whole process with new strains of virus.
Read up on Marek's disease in chickens, which started out as a minor
virus. The vaccine for it made the disease so virulent it now kills
100% of chickens. It, like the COVID vaccine, is a "leaky" vaccine
which does not kill the virus but simply prevents symptoms.
Normal auto-immunity selects for a weaker virus because the strong
virulent ones kill their hosts and so die with their hosts. Leaky
vaccines select for a strong virulent virus because only those
successfully transmit through the leaky-vaccinated. So it is the
vaccines themselves which are causing the eruption of new virulent
variants of COVID. The more that get vaccinated, the more virulent
the virus becomes, in a non-ending rivalry of one-upmanship.
We could be looking at a future where in 50 years, humans are no
longer part of the biological world, but will have to be continuously
vaccinated to stay alive in a biosphere wracked with virulent viruses.
Which is where chickens are today.
If nothing had been done, we'd have had a world-wide pandemic
resulting in a minor die-off of the very elderly and everything would
have been back to normal, about now.
To different degrees, the USA under Trump. Italy, Sweden, South
America and India followed your favoured policy. It did not work out
as you describe . . .
Post by Willy Nilly
Posting this makes me feel ill.
Perhaps you are
I don't know whether the original post is correct or not, and neither do you,
so why do you have to be abusive?
Oh, I get it, you have the rudeness virus.
Perhaps we should celebrate that WillyNilly, who was able to say "If
nothing had been done, we'd have had a world-wide pandemic
resulting in a minor die-off of the very elderly and everything would
have been back to normal, about now.", also says that "Posting this
makes me feel ill."
For you Tony to then say that you don't know whether the original
poster is correct or not, and that neither do I, is a little bizarre;
"1.00pm: Vaccine roll-out 9% ahead of schedule; 235k people fully
vaccinated"
"Taken together, we can say we continue to do very well compared with
other countries (I feel for Melbourne where I lived for a number of
years), and also that we will only get through the pandemic when we
and all countries that we trade with have similar levels of full
vaccination; even then there is the possibiity that we will have to
repeat the whole process with new strains of virus."
Certainly I believed those statements to be true; but perhaps you were
referring to the statements of Willy Nilly; I have quoted part of his
comments above, but can you pint to any part of Willy Nilly's comments
that you consider may be true?
I am not interested in your stupidity.
But I will say this - nothing you have posted shows him to be wrong. Nothing at
all.
But then you are a child, believing what you "want" to believe and damn the
fools who don't agree with you.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Willy Nilly
If they can find a proper vaccine
that prevents infection, as a vaccine is supposed to do, then this
nightmare scenario can be broken out of. But if we're in the soup in
50 years' time, maybe the only escape will be to become cyborgs. At
least that way we can live on Mars (being positive here!).
Willy nilly has once again proved that Rich is nothing but a fucking imbecile! His comments are supported by science and the fact the vaccine has in fact been rushed through. When the DHB finally gets around to giving me a date to get my shot I will line up for it along with many others but hope it's only going to be an annual event even though current evidence suggest it'll be lot more often than that.
A little bird just whispered that China has an outbreak of Bird Flu.
Make of that what you will but it certainly appears suspicious
John Bowes
2021-06-07 20:48:56 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 06 Jun 2021 15:47:32 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Willy Nilly
Post by Rich80105
vaccination; even then there is teh possibiity that we will have to
repeat the whole process with new strains of virus.
Read up on Marek's disease in chickens, which started out as a minor
virus. The vaccine for it made the disease so virulent it now kills
100% of chickens. It, like the COVID vaccine, is a "leaky" vaccine
which does not kill the virus but simply prevents symptoms.
Normal auto-immunity selects for a weaker virus because the strong
virulent ones kill their hosts and so die with their hosts. Leaky
vaccines select for a strong virulent virus because only those
successfully transmit through the leaky-vaccinated. So it is the
vaccines themselves which are causing the eruption of new virulent
variants of COVID. The more that get vaccinated, the more virulent
the virus becomes, in a non-ending rivalry of one-upmanship.
We could be looking at a future where in 50 years, humans are no
longer part of the biological world, but will have to be continuously
vaccinated to stay alive in a biosphere wracked with virulent viruses.
Which is where chickens are today.
If nothing had been done, we'd have had a world-wide pandemic
resulting in a minor die-off of the very elderly and everything would
have been back to normal, about now.
To different degrees, the USA under Trump. Italy, Sweden, South
America and India followed your favoured policy. It did not work out
as you describe . . .
Post by Willy Nilly
Posting this makes me feel ill.
Perhaps you are
I don't know whether the original post is correct or not, and neither do you,
so why do you have to be abusive?
Oh, I get it, you have the rudeness virus.
Perhaps we should celebrate that WillyNilly, who was able to say "If
nothing had been done, we'd have had a world-wide pandemic
resulting in a minor die-off of the very elderly and everything would
have been back to normal, about now.", also says that "Posting this
makes me feel ill."
For you Tony to then say that you don't know whether the original
poster is correct or not, and that neither do I, is a little bizarre;
"1.00pm: Vaccine roll-out 9% ahead of schedule; 235k people fully
vaccinated"
"Taken together, we can say we continue to do very well compared with
other countries (I feel for Melbourne where I lived for a number of
years), and also that we will only get through the pandemic when we
and all countries that we trade with have similar levels of full
vaccination; even then there is the possibiity that we will have to
repeat the whole process with new strains of virus."
Certainly I believed those statements to be true; but perhaps you were
referring to the statements of Willy Nilly; I have quoted part of his
comments above, but can you pint to any part of Willy Nilly's comments
that you consider may be true?
I am not interested in your stupidity.
But I will say this - nothing you have posted shows him to be wrong. Nothing at
all.
But then you are a child, believing what you "want" to believe and damn the
fools who don't agree with you.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Willy Nilly
If they can find a proper vaccine
that prevents infection, as a vaccine is supposed to do, then this
nightmare scenario can be broken out of. But if we're in the soup in
50 years' time, maybe the only escape will be to become cyborgs. At
least that way we can live on Mars (being positive here!).
Willy nilly has once again proved that Rich is nothing but a fucking imbecile! His comments are supported by science and the fact the vaccine has in fact been rushed through. When the DHB finally gets around to giving me a date to get my shot I will line up for it along with many others but hope it's only going to be an annual event even though current evidence suggest it'll be lot more often than that.
A little bird just whispered that China has an outbreak of Bird Flu.
Make of that what you will but it certainly appears suspicious
China has always been suspicious. Can't expect anything else from a bunch of totalitarian technocratic barbarians :)
Gordon
2021-06-07 04:22:22 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
vaccination; even then there is teh possibiity that we will have to
repeat the whole process with new strains of virus.
Read up on Marek's disease in chickens, which started out as a minor
virus. The vaccine for it made the disease so virulent it now kills
100% of chickens. It, like the COVID vaccine, is a "leaky" vaccine
which does not kill the virus but simply prevents symptoms.
That is a theory. No necessarly a fact. One can not go back in time and see
what would have have happened under the do nothing approach.

Also a qualifier is needed, there might be a death rate of 100% of chicken
which are infected with the virus. Clearly not 100% of the chickens are
dead, at least not yet.

Also, mono culture has risks. If a disease can get established it has free
regin.

At the end of the day humans are part of nature, not outside it.

Finally, virus mutate as they reproduce. It is part of life for them. Keeps
them in the arms race.
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