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Kiwibuild, Housing affordability, homelessness, child poverdy....
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JohnO
2020-09-13 20:50:10 UTC
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Labour stood on these in the last election as their major planks.

They've failed to deliver on EVERY SINGLE ONE.

Kiwibuild - a complete failure.
Housing affordability - house prices currently skyrocketing to new records.
Homelessness - has quadrupled over the term of this government (Social housing priority A waiting list).
Child poverdy - worse than ever.

On top of this, Labour have presided over the COVID devastation of the economy and clearly have no fucking idea how to recover from it. Adding another paid holiday when businesses are going to be falling over in droves? FFS.

It's hard to fathom why so many people are so entranced by the current figurehead PM whose abilities extend to hand waving, frowny faces, smiley faces and appeals to be kind to each other.
Tony
2020-09-13 20:54:44 UTC
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Post by JohnO
Labour stood on these in the last election as their major planks.
They've failed to deliver on EVERY SINGLE ONE.
Kiwibuild - a complete failure.
Housing affordability - house prices currently skyrocketing to new records.
Homelessness - has quadrupled over the term of this government (Social housing
priority A waiting list).
Child poverdy - worse than ever.
On top of this, Labour have presided over the COVID devastation of the
economy and clearly have no fucking idea how to recover from it. Adding another
paid holiday when businesses are going to be falling over in droves? FFS.
It's hard to fathom why so many people are so entranced by the current
figurehead PM whose abilities extend to hand waving, frowny faces, smiley faces
and appeals to be kind to each other.
When she is not talking down to her fellow New Zealanders as if they are
kindergarten children.
James Christophers
2020-09-13 21:39:03 UTC
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Post by JohnO
Labour stood on these in the last election as their major planks.
They've failed to deliver on EVERY SINGLE ONE.
Kiwibuild - a complete failure.
Housing affordability - house prices currently skyrocketing to new records.
Homelessness - has quadrupled over the term of this government (Social housing priority A waiting list).
Child poverdy - worse than ever.
On top of this, Labour have presided over the COVID devastation of the economy and clearly have no fucking idea how to recover from it. Adding another paid holiday when businesses are going to be falling over in droves? FFS.
By no means the whole story, but "New Zealand is the world's fifth richest country as measured by per adult wealth. Only Switzerland, Hong Kong, US and Australia rank higher. New Zealand's wealth is also reasonably evenly distributed, with median wealth also being the fifth highest in the world." (NZ Treasury: Oct 21, 2019)

(Since it's about wealth and value, on 11 Sept 2020, Tesla was valued at about 563 billion NZ dollars - more than two and a half times the total value of New Zealand's GDP.)
Post by JohnO
It's hard to fathom why so many people are so entranced by the current figurehead PM whose abilities extend to hand waving, frowny faces, smiley faces and appeals to be kind to each other.
JohnO
2020-09-13 21:44:54 UTC
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Post by JohnO
Labour stood on these in the last election as their major planks.
They've failed to deliver on EVERY SINGLE ONE.
Kiwibuild - a complete failure.
Housing affordability - house prices currently skyrocketing to new records.
Homelessness - has quadrupled over the term of this government (Social housing priority A waiting list).
Child poverdy - worse than ever.
On top of this, Labour have presided over the COVID devastation of the economy and clearly have no fucking idea how to recover from it. Adding another paid holiday when businesses are going to be falling over in droves? FFS.
By no means the whole story, but "New Zealand is the world's fifth richest country as measured by per adult wealth. Only Switzerland, Hong Kong, US and Australia rank higher. New Zealand's wealth is also reasonably evenly distributed, with median wealth also being the fifth highest in the world." (NZ Treasury: Oct 21, 2019)
(Since it's about wealth and value, on 11 Sept 2020, Tesla was valued at about 563 billion NZ dollars - more than two and a half times the total value of New Zealand's GDP.)
Post by JohnO
It's hard to fathom why so many people are so entranced by the current figurehead PM whose abilities extend to hand waving, frowny faces, smiley faces and appeals to be kind to each other.
As you know. this is based on property value - and has been the case over previous government tenures as well. It doesn't mean much as it's based on the overvalued property market rather than productive capital.
James Christophers
2020-09-13 21:56:33 UTC
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Post by JohnO
Post by JohnO
Labour stood on these in the last election as their major planks.
They've failed to deliver on EVERY SINGLE ONE.
Kiwibuild - a complete failure.
Housing affordability - house prices currently skyrocketing to new records.
Homelessness - has quadrupled over the term of this government (Social housing priority A waiting list).
Child poverdy - worse than ever.
On top of this, Labour have presided over the COVID devastation of the economy and clearly have no fucking idea how to recover from it. Adding another paid holiday when businesses are going to be falling over in droves? FFS.
By no means the whole story, but "New Zealand is the world's fifth richest country as measured by per adult wealth. Only Switzerland, Hong Kong, US and Australia rank higher. New Zealand's wealth is also reasonably evenly distributed, with median wealth also being the fifth highest in the world." (NZ Treasury: Oct 21, 2019)
(Since it's about wealth and value, on 11 Sept 2020, Tesla was valued at about 563 billion NZ dollars - more than two and a half times the total value of New Zealand's GDP.)
Post by JohnO
It's hard to fathom why so many people are so entranced by the current figurehead PM whose abilities extend to hand waving, frowny faces, smiley faces and appeals to be kind to each other.
As you know. this is based on property value - and has been the case over previous government tenures as well. It doesn't mean much as it's based on the overvalued property market rather than productive capital.
Which takes us to:

https://tinyurl.com/yx9pua7n
James Christophers
2020-09-13 22:26:33 UTC
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Post by JohnO
Post by JohnO
Labour stood on these in the last election as their major planks.
They've failed to deliver on EVERY SINGLE ONE.
Kiwibuild - a complete failure.
Housing affordability - house prices currently skyrocketing to new records.
Homelessness - has quadrupled over the term of this government (Social housing priority A waiting list).
Child poverdy - worse than ever.
On top of this, Labour have presided over the COVID devastation of the economy and clearly have no fucking idea how to recover from it. Adding another paid holiday when businesses are going to be falling over in droves? FFS.
By no means the whole story, but "New Zealand is the world's fifth richest country as measured by per adult wealth. Only Switzerland, Hong Kong, US and Australia rank higher. New Zealand's wealth is also reasonably evenly distributed, with median wealth also being the fifth highest in the world." (NZ Treasury: Oct 21, 2019)
(Since it's about wealth and value, on 11 Sept 2020, Tesla was valued at about 563 billion NZ dollars - more than two and a half times the total value of New Zealand's GDP.)
Post by JohnO
It's hard to fathom why so many people are so entranced by the current figurehead PM whose abilities extend to hand waving, frowny faces, smiley faces and appeals to be kind to each other.
As you know. this is based on property value - and has been the case over previous government tenures as well. It doesn't mean much as it's based on the overvalued property market rather than productive capital.
https://tinyurl.com/yx9pua7n
Or google: Productivity by the numbers - 2019 Productivity Commission
Crash
2020-09-13 21:45:10 UTC
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Post by JohnO
Labour stood on these in the last election as their major planks.
They've failed to deliver on EVERY SINGLE ONE.
Kiwibuild - a complete failure.
Housing affordability - house prices currently skyrocketing to new records.
Homelessness - has quadrupled over the term of this government (Social housing priority A waiting list).
Child poverdy - worse than ever.
On top of this, Labour have presided over the COVID devastation of the economy and clearly have no fucking idea how to recover from it. Adding another paid holiday when businesses are going to be falling over in droves? FFS.
It's hard to fathom why so many people are so entranced by the current figurehead PM whose abilities extend to hand waving, frowny faces, smiley faces and appeals to be kind to each other.
The only reason for this logically is that National cannot convince
the electorate that they can do any better. Nearly all those in
senior leadership positions in National when they won their last
election (2014) are now gone -not committed enough to remain in
Parliament in opposition, for the purpose of winning the upcoming
election. While this allowed new blood into the National caucus it
has hamstrung the party because so few of the 55 are well-known.

There is still time for Judith Collins to turn this around, if she has
what it takes to do this.


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JohnO
2020-09-13 23:42:20 UTC
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Post by Crash
Post by JohnO
Labour stood on these in the last election as their major planks.
They've failed to deliver on EVERY SINGLE ONE.
Kiwibuild - a complete failure.
Housing affordability - house prices currently skyrocketing to new records.
Homelessness - has quadrupled over the term of this government (Social housing priority A waiting list).
Child poverdy - worse than ever.
On top of this, Labour have presided over the COVID devastation of the economy and clearly have no fucking idea how to recover from it. Adding another paid holiday when businesses are going to be falling over in droves? FFS.
It's hard to fathom why so many people are so entranced by the current figurehead PM whose abilities extend to hand waving, frowny faces, smiley faces and appeals to be kind to each other.
The only reason for this logically is that National cannot convince
the electorate that they can do any better. Nearly all those in
I don't think logic has anything to do with it. People I talk to that are planning to vote Labour say it's because they did a good COVID job. They don't seem to be thinking about the future at all.
Post by Crash
senior leadership positions in National when they won their last
election (2014) are now gone -not committed enough to remain in
Parliament in opposition, for the purpose of winning the upcoming
election. While this allowed new blood into the National caucus it
has hamstrung the party because so few of the 55 are well-known.
There is still time for Judith Collins to turn this around, if she has
what it takes to do this.
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James Christophers
2020-09-14 05:16:52 UTC
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Post by JohnO
Post by Crash
Post by JohnO
Labour stood on these in the last election as their major planks.
They've failed to deliver on EVERY SINGLE ONE.
Kiwibuild - a complete failure.
Housing affordability - house prices currently skyrocketing to new records.
Homelessness - has quadrupled over the term of this government (Social housing priority A waiting list).
Child poverdy - worse than ever.
On top of this, Labour have presided over the COVID devastation of the economy and clearly have no fucking idea how to recover from it. Adding another paid holiday when businesses are going to be falling over in droves? FFS.
It's hard to fathom why so many people are so entranced by the current figurehead PM whose abilities extend to hand waving, frowny faces, smiley faces and appeals to be kind to each other.
The only reason for this logically is that National cannot convince
the electorate that they can do any better. Nearly all those in
I don't think logic has anything to do with it. People I talk to that are planning to vote Labour say it's because they did a good COVID job. They don't seem to be thinking about the future at all.
In turbulent times, stability is all. As for key election policies, major party differences are mostly skin-deep, so change for change's sake doesn't really cut it.
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Post by Crash
senior leadership positions in National when they won their last
election (2014) are now gone -not committed enough to remain in
Parliament in opposition, for the purpose of winning the upcoming
election. While this allowed new blood into the National caucus it
has hamstrung the party because so few of the 55 are well-known.
There is still time for Judith Collins to turn this around, if she has
what it takes to do this.
But does she?
Gordon
2020-09-14 07:00:40 UTC
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Post by Crash
Post by JohnO
Labour stood on these in the last election as their major planks.
They've failed to deliver on EVERY SINGLE ONE.
Kiwibuild - a complete failure.
Housing affordability - house prices currently skyrocketing to new records.
Homelessness - has quadrupled over the term of this government (Social housing priority A waiting list).
Child poverdy - worse than ever.
On top of this, Labour have presided over the COVID devastation of the economy and clearly have no fucking idea how to recover from it. Adding another paid holiday when businesses are going to be falling over in droves? FFS.
It's hard to fathom why so many people are so entranced by the current figurehead PM whose abilities extend to hand waving, frowny faces, smiley faces and appeals to be kind to each other.
The only reason for this logically is that National cannot convince
the electorate that they can do any better. Nearly all those in
senior leadership positions in National when they won their last
election (2014) are now gone -not committed enough to remain in
Parliament in opposition, for the purpose of winning the upcoming
election. While this allowed new blood into the National caucus it
has hamstrung the party because so few of the 55 are well-known.
There is still time for Judith Collins to turn this around, if she has
what it takes to do this.
She seems to have lost the National way and sying Labour ideas. Many more
electric cars in a couple of yeras, $ help to have this happen.

Then help for health and children to-day. Certainly has my attention, for
now.
Gordon
2020-09-14 06:56:32 UTC
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Post by JohnO
Labour stood on these in the last election as their major planks.
They've failed to deliver on EVERY SINGLE ONE.
Kiwibuild - a complete failure.
Housing affordability - house prices currently skyrocketing to new records.
Homelessness - has quadrupled over the term of this government (Social housing priority A waiting list).
Child poverdy - worse than ever.
Entering the Pike River mine. Forgotten so soon eh?
George
2020-09-14 20:20:31 UTC
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On 14 Sep 2020 06:56:32 GMT
Post by Gordon
Post by JohnO
Labour stood on these in the last election as their major planks.
They've failed to deliver on EVERY SINGLE ONE.
Kiwibuild - a complete failure.
Housing affordability - house prices currently skyrocketing to new
records. Homelessness - has quadrupled over the term of this
government (Social housing priority A waiting list). Child poverdy
- worse than ever.
Entering the Pike River mine. Forgotten so soon eh?
Nope. Evidently the soot from the fires is carcinogenic so it will be
another year or so before they are rich and can retire
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Rich80105
2020-09-14 21:36:11 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Post by JohnO
Labour stood on these in the last election as their major planks.
They've failed to deliver on EVERY SINGLE ONE.
It is a shame that they were not elected to form a government then,
isn't it JohnO - there is no doubt in the minds of many that they
would have done better without NZ First having to be in the mix.
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Post by JohnO
Kiwibuild - a complete failure.
Not complete - we have gone from selling state houses to building more
than were built in the entire 9 years of the Key/English governments,
but instead we did have the Provincial Growth Fund courtesy of NZ
First - imagine if that had been spent on housing as well!
Realistically, the current government is taking steps to reduce
National's red tape regarding some building requirements, and has also
done a lot of freeing up land for new housing - they will need nine
years in government to turn it around, but it looks like that may well
happen.
Post by Gordon
Post by JohnO
Housing affordability - house prices currently skyrocketing to new records.
Homelessness - has quadrupled over the term of this government (Social housing priority A waiting list).
An interesting choice of measurement criteria - the current government
reversed some of the restrictive definitions to qualify for Category
A, leading to a greater number of people in that category, and fewer
in other categories. Across all homelessness of course, we have a lot
fewer genuinely homeless as due to Covid-19, efforts were made to
accomodate all those living rough and families in cars who were
regarded as ''making a lifestyle choice" during the Key/English
governments . . .
Post by Gordon
Post by JohnO
Child poverdy - worse than ever.
Evidence?
Anecdotally, I know increases in rent must be very difficult for many;
I know of one property which is charging the equivalent of $240 per
person per week; five years ago it was about $150 per person per week.
I wonder if JohnO (or indeed any political p0arty) is proposing rent
controls . . .
Post by Gordon
Entering the Pike River mine. Forgotten so soon eh?
That would be forgodden in JohnO speak
John Bowes
2020-09-14 22:24:10 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by Gordon
Post by JohnO
Labour stood on these in the last election as their major planks.
They've failed to deliver on EVERY SINGLE ONE.
It is a shame that they were not elected to form a government then,
isn't it JohnO - there is no doubt in the minds of many that they
would have done better without NZ First having to be in the mix.
They couldn't have done better wthout winnie. The dumb cunts couldn'tt organise a piss up at Maungaturoto and continue to prove it every day with the cockup thats quarantine!
Post by Rich80105
Post by Gordon
Post by JohnO
Kiwibuild - a complete failure.
Not complete - we have gone from selling state houses to building more
than were built in the entire 9 years of the Key/English governments,
but instead we did have the Provincial Growth Fund courtesy of NZ
First - imagine if that had been spent on housing as well!
Realistically, the current government is taking steps to reduce
National's red tape regarding some building requirements, and has also
done a lot of freeing up land for new housing - they will need nine
years in government to turn it around, but it looks like that may well
happen.
cite required. Besides how do you build new state houses without getting rid of the old past there use by date state houses? Many of Labours have been built on vacant land left by the removal of clapped out housing. (Anthe Labour success built on Nationals shoulders)
Post by Rich80105
Post by Gordon
Post by JohnO
Housing affordability - house prices currently skyrocketing to new records.
Homelessness - has quadrupled over the term of this government (Social housing priority A waiting list).
An interesting choice of measurement criteria - the current government
reversed some of the restrictive definitions to qualify for Category
A, leading to a greater number of people in that category, and fewer
in other categories. Across all homelessness of course, we have a lot
fewer genuinely homeless as due to Covid-19, efforts were made to
accomodate all those living rough and families in cars who were
regarded as ''making a lifestyle choice" during the Key/English
governments . . .
The number of people in need of housing is ais rising faster under Labour than under the last national government. Hell the wating list for houses soared by 47% in the last twelve months!
Post by Rich80105
Post by Gordon
Post by JohnO
Child poverdy - worse than ever.
Evidence?
Anecdotally, I know increases in rent must be very difficult for many;
I know of one property which is charging the equivalent of $240 per
person per week; five years ago it was about $150 per person per week.
I wonder if JohnO (or indeed any political p0arty) is proposing rent
controls . . .
Labour has been muttering about rent controls after adding thousands of dollars of compliance costs onto landlords! Check the governments own statistics before making false claims of their supposed succes Rich. It'll mean you don't look like a total fucking imbecile!
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Post by Gordon
Entering the Pike River mine. Forgotten so soon eh?
That would be forgodden in JohnO speak
Pike River: Great success. costing three times as much as we were first told and all they've managed is further costs and they've only recovered two wheelbarrows and a digger!
Funny that Andrew Little the union stooge who had the chance to prevent the disaster can't decide if they'll find bodys or not if they ever get past the cave in!
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