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Oh, it's a "levy", not a "tax"...
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JohnO
2021-05-22 05:08:59 UTC
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Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
James Christophers
2021-05-22 06:02:38 UTC
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Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted, purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation (GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
Tony
2021-05-22 07:23:46 UTC
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Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
Rich80105
2021-05-22 08:39:00 UTC
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On Sat, 22 May 2021 02:23:46 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
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Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
Mutlley
2021-05-22 20:29:31 UTC
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On Sat, 22 May 2021 02:23:46 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
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Post by JohnO
Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
Tony
2021-05-22 20:59:52 UTC
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On Sat, 22 May 2021 02:23:46 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
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Post by JohnO
Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
George Black
2021-05-22 23:22:23 UTC
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On Sat, 22 May 2021 02:23:46 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
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Post by JohnO
Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
Impossible.
After 'reading' he has to 'comprehend' and that aint going to happen
James Christophers
2021-05-23 00:10:30 UTC
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On Sat, 22 May 2021 02:23:46 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
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Post by JohnO
Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Your government defines it as a levy - a singular, purpose-based classification, as explained in my initial response to the topic. I find other web references provide the same or similar distinction.

To the great unwashed who must come up with the readies on pain of penalty, such imposts may well be lumped together as "tax" and if that's good enough for them, why argue the point?
Post by Tony
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
In this instance, the OED equivocates on the terminology. Others likewise.

'Nuff said.
JohnO
2021-05-23 00:23:40 UTC
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On Sat, 22 May 2021 02:23:46 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by JohnO
Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Your government defines it as a levy - a singular, purpose-based classification, as explained in my initial response to the topic. I find other web references provide the same or similar distinction.
To the great unwashed who must come up with the readies on pain of penalty, such imposts may well be lumped together as "tax" and if that's good enough for them, why argue the point?
Post by Tony
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
In this instance, the OED equivocates on the terminology. Others likewise.
'Nuff said.
Nope.

Levy
NOUN

1 An act of levying a tax, fee, or fine.
‘police forces receive 49 per cent of their funding via a levy on the rates’
More example sentencesSynonyms

1.1 A tax raised by levying.
‘we all pay a fossil fuel levy in our electricity bills’
More example sentencesSynonyms

1.2 A sum collected as a supplement to an existing subscription.
‘the trade-union political levy’
More example sentencesSynonyms

1.3 An item or items of property seized to satisfy a legal judgement.

Source: https://www.lexico.com/definition/levy courstesy of OED.

So there you have it. A levy is a tax.

And that, is "Nuff said".
John Bowes
2021-05-23 01:46:56 UTC
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On Sat, 22 May 2021 02:23:46 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
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Post by JohnO
Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Your government defines it as a levy - a singular, purpose-based classification, as explained in my initial response to the topic. I find other web references provide the same or similar distinction.
To the great unwashed who must come up with the readies on pain of penalty, such imposts may well be lumped together as "tax" and if that's good enough for them, why argue the point?
Post by Tony
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
In this instance, the OED equivocates on the terminology. Others likewise.
'Nuff said.
Nope.
Levy
NOUN
1 An act of levying a tax, fee, or fine.
‘police forces receive 49 per cent of their funding via a levy on the rates’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 A tax raised by levying.
‘we all pay a fossil fuel levy in our electricity bills’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 A sum collected as a supplement to an existing subscription.
‘the trade-union political levy’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.3 An item or items of property seized to satisfy a legal judgement.
Source: https://www.lexico.com/definition/levy courstesy of OED.
So there you have it. A levy is a tax.
And that, is "Nuff said".
Hitting Keith with irrefutable proof he's wrong won't help JohnO, because Keith is incapable of admitting he's just a bloody idiot who doesn't comprehend his own many shortcomings
James Christophers
2021-05-23 02:25:26 UTC
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On Sat, 22 May 2021 02:23:46 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
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Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Your government defines it as a levy - a singular, purpose-based classification, as explained in my initial response to the topic. I find other web references provide the same or similar distinction.
To the great unwashed who must come up with the readies on pain of penalty, such imposts may well be lumped together as "tax" and if that's good enough for them, why argue the point?
Post by Tony
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
In this instance, the OED equivocates on the terminology. Others likewise.
'Nuff said.
Nope.
Levy
NOUN
1 An act of levying a tax, fee, or fine.
‘police forces receive 49 per cent of their funding via a levy on the rates’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 A tax raised by levying.
‘we all pay a fossil fuel levy in our electricity bills’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 A sum collected as a supplement to an existing subscription.
‘the trade-union political levy’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.3 An item or items of property seized to satisfy a legal judgement.
IOW, all are examples of purpose targeting and purpose charging under the inclusive sub-heading, 'Levy; thereby distinguishing each of them from general "slush-fund' taxation (GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. An admninistrative distinction that has rather more to do with small-print ministerial classification and accounting than with layman semantics.
Post by JohnO
Source: https://www.lexico.com/definition/levy courstesy of OED.
So there you have it. A levy is a tax.
A nominated, single-purposed and targeted tax, yes.
Tony
2021-05-23 03:14:36 UTC
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On Sat, 22 May 2021 02:23:46 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
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Post by James Christophers
Post by JohnO
Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
Post by JohnO
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund'
taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Your government defines it as a levy - a singular, purpose-based
classification, as explained in my initial response to the topic. I find other
web references provide the same or similar distinction.
To the great unwashed who must come up with the readies on pain of
penalty, such imposts may well be lumped together as "tax" and if that's good
enough for them, why argue the point?
Post by Tony
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
In this instance, the OED equivocates on the terminology. Others likewise.
'Nuff said.
Nope.
Levy
NOUN
1 An act of levying a tax, fee, or fine.
‘police forces receive 49 per cent of their funding via a levy on the
rates’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 A tax raised by levying.
‘we all pay a fossil fuel levy in our electricity bills’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 A sum collected as a supplement to an existing subscription.
‘the trade-union political levy’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.3 An item or items of property seized to satisfy a legal judgement.
IOW, all are examples of purpose targeting and purpose charging under the
inclusive sub-heading, 'Levy; thereby distinguishing each of them from general
"slush-fund' taxation (GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. An admninistrative
distinction that has rather more to do with small-print ministerial
classification and accounting than with layman semantics.
Post by JohnO
Source: https://www.lexico.com/definition/levy courstesy of OED.
So there you have it. A levy is a tax.
A nominated, single-purposed and targeted tax, yes.
Indeed, a levy is a tax. Simple really.
John Bowes
2021-05-23 05:02:20 UTC
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On Sat, 22 May 2021 02:23:46 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
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Post by JohnO
Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
Post by JohnO
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose
targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund'
taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Your government defines it as a levy - a singular, purpose-based
classification, as explained in my initial response to the topic. I find other
web references provide the same or similar distinction.
To the great unwashed who must come up with the readies on pain of
penalty, such imposts may well be lumped together as "tax" and if that's good
enough for them, why argue the point?
Post by Tony
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
In this instance, the OED equivocates on the terminology. Others likewise.
'Nuff said.
Nope.
Levy
NOUN
1 An act of levying a tax, fee, or fine.
‘police forces receive 49 per cent of their funding via a levy on the rates’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 A tax raised by levying.
‘we all pay a fossil fuel levy in our electricity bills’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 A sum collected as a supplement to an existing subscription.
‘the trade-union political levy’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.3 An item or items of property seized to satisfy a legal judgement.
IOW, all are examples of purpose targeting and purpose charging under the
inclusive sub-heading, 'Levy; thereby distinguishing each of them from general
"slush-fund' taxation (GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. An admninistrative
distinction that has rather more to do with small-print ministerial
classification and accounting than with layman semantics.
Post by JohnO
Source: https://www.lexico.com/definition/levy courstesy of OED.
So there you have it. A levy is a tax.
A nominated, single-purposed and targeted tax, yes.
Indeed, a levy is a tax. Simple really.
Not for Nazis like Keith :)
JohnO
2021-05-24 03:05:26 UTC
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On Sat, 22 May 2021 02:23:46 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
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Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Your government defines it as a levy - a singular, purpose-based classification, as explained in my initial response to the topic. I find other web references provide the same or similar distinction.
To the great unwashed who must come up with the readies on pain of penalty, such imposts may well be lumped together as "tax" and if that's good enough for them, why argue the point?
Post by Tony
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
In this instance, the OED equivocates on the terminology. Others likewise.
'Nuff said.
Nope.
Levy
NOUN
1 An act of levying a tax, fee, or fine.
‘police forces receive 49 per cent of their funding via a levy on the rates’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 A tax raised by levying.
‘we all pay a fossil fuel levy in our electricity bills’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 A sum collected as a supplement to an existing subscription.
‘the trade-union political levy’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.3 An item or items of property seized to satisfy a legal judgement.
IOW, all are examples of purpose targeting and purpose charging under the inclusive sub-heading, 'Levy; thereby distinguishing each of them from general "slush-fund' taxation (GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. An admninistrative distinction that has rather more to do with small-print ministerial classification and accounting than with layman semantics.
Post by JohnO
Source: https://www.lexico.com/definition/levy courstesy of OED.
So there you have it. A levy is a tax.
A nominated, single-purposed and targeted tax, yes.
That is indeed the subtle distinction between the two.

Never the less, Robertson and co promised repeatedly not to bring any new ones in. Just like he expressly promised not to extend the brightline test.

Politicians all lie, none more so than the ones who claim to never lie.
James Christophers
2021-05-24 05:14:42 UTC
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Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Your government defines it as a levy - a singular, purpose-based classification, as explained in my initial response to the topic. I find other web references provide the same or similar distinction.
To the great unwashed who must come up with the readies on pain of penalty, such imposts may well be lumped together as "tax" and if that's good enough for them, why argue the point?
Post by Tony
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
In this instance, the OED equivocates on the terminology. Others likewise.
'Nuff said.
Nope.
Levy
NOUN
1 An act of levying a tax, fee, or fine.
‘police forces receive 49 per cent of their funding via a levy on the rates’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 A tax raised by levying.
‘we all pay a fossil fuel levy in our electricity bills’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 A sum collected as a supplement to an existing subscription.
‘the trade-union political levy’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.3 An item or items of property seized to satisfy a legal judgement.
IOW, all are examples of purpose targeting and purpose charging under the inclusive sub-heading, 'Levy; thereby distinguishing each of them from general "slush-fund' taxation (GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. An admninistrative distinction that has rather more to do with small-print ministerial classification and accounting than with layman semantics.
Post by JohnO
Source: https://www.lexico.com/definition/levy courstesy of OED.
So there you have it. A levy is a tax.
A nominated, single-purposed and targeted tax, yes.
That is indeed the subtle distinction between the two.
Never the less, Robertson and co promised repeatedly not to bring any new ones in. Just like he expressly promised not to extend the brightline test.
Politicians all lie, none more so than the ones who claim to never lie.
Since you raise the point and purely as a matter of interest:

1. Which of our MPs has ever said they never lie?

2. Which of our MPs has ever said, in terms, "I promise to (not to)"?
John Bowes
2021-05-24 05:28:48 UTC
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Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Your government defines it as a levy - a singular, purpose-based classification, as explained in my initial response to the topic. I find other web references provide the same or similar distinction.
To the great unwashed who must come up with the readies on pain of penalty, such imposts may well be lumped together as "tax" and if that's good enough for them, why argue the point?
Post by Tony
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
In this instance, the OED equivocates on the terminology. Others likewise.
'Nuff said.
Nope.
Levy
NOUN
1 An act of levying a tax, fee, or fine.
‘police forces receive 49 per cent of their funding via a levy on the rates’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 A tax raised by levying.
‘we all pay a fossil fuel levy in our electricity bills’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 A sum collected as a supplement to an existing subscription.
‘the trade-union political levy’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.3 An item or items of property seized to satisfy a legal judgement.
IOW, all are examples of purpose targeting and purpose charging under the inclusive sub-heading, 'Levy; thereby distinguishing each of them from general "slush-fund' taxation (GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. An admninistrative distinction that has rather more to do with small-print ministerial classification and accounting than with layman semantics.
Post by JohnO
Source: https://www.lexico.com/definition/levy courstesy of OED.
So there you have it. A levy is a tax.
A nominated, single-purposed and targeted tax, yes.
That is indeed the subtle distinction between the two.
Never the less, Robertson and co promised repeatedly not to bring any new ones in. Just like he expressly promised not to extend the brightline test.
Politicians all lie, none more so than the ones who claim to never lie.
1. Which of our MPs has ever said they never lie?
2. Which of our MPs has ever said, in terms, "I promise to (not to)"?
Ardern on several occasions Keith! Usually followed by yet another lie and you know it!
James Christophers
2021-05-24 05:49:13 UTC
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On Sat, 22 May 2021 02:23:46 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
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Post by JohnO
Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Your government defines it as a levy - a singular, purpose-based classification, as explained in my initial response to the topic. I find other web references provide the same or similar distinction.
To the great unwashed who must come up with the readies on pain of penalty, such imposts may well be lumped together as "tax" and if that's good enough for them, why argue the point?
Post by Tony
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
In this instance, the OED equivocates on the terminology. Others likewise.
'Nuff said.
Nope.
Levy
NOUN
1 An act of levying a tax, fee, or fine.
‘police forces receive 49 per cent of their funding via a levy on the rates’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 A tax raised by levying.
‘we all pay a fossil fuel levy in our electricity bills’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 A sum collected as a supplement to an existing subscription.
‘the trade-union political levy’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.3 An item or items of property seized to satisfy a legal judgement.
IOW, all are examples of purpose targeting and purpose charging under the inclusive sub-heading, 'Levy; thereby distinguishing each of them from general "slush-fund' taxation (GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. An admninistrative distinction that has rather more to do with small-print ministerial classification and accounting than with layman semantics.
Post by JohnO
Source: https://www.lexico.com/definition/levy courstesy of OED.
So there you have it. A levy is a tax.
A nominated, single-purposed and targeted tax, yes.
That is indeed the subtle distinction between the two.
Never the less, Robertson and co promised repeatedly not to bring any new ones in. Just like he expressly promised not to extend the brightline test.
Politicians all lie, none more so than the ones who claim to never lie.
1. Which of our MPs has ever said they never lie?
2. Which of our MPs has ever said, in terms, "I promise to (not to)"?
Ardern on several occasions Keith! Usually followed by yet another lie and you know it!
Then go ahead and identify them, verbatim, with date and time in each case. That, or be confirmed for the vacuous little troll you have only ever been, and you know it.
Rich80105
2021-05-24 06:25:39 UTC
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On Sat, 22 May 2021 02:23:46 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
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Post by JohnO
Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Your government defines it as a levy - a singular, purpose-based classification, as explained in my initial response to the topic. I find other web references provide the same or similar distinction.
To the great unwashed who must come up with the readies on pain of penalty, such imposts may well be lumped together as "tax" and if that's good enough for them, why argue the point?
Post by Tony
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
In this instance, the OED equivocates on the terminology. Others likewise.
'Nuff said.
Nope.
Levy
NOUN
1 An act of levying a tax, fee, or fine.
‘police forces receive 49 per cent of their funding via a levy on the rates’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 A tax raised by levying.
‘we all pay a fossil fuel levy in our electricity bills’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 A sum collected as a supplement to an existing subscription.
‘the trade-union political levy’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.3 An item or items of property seized to satisfy a legal judgement.
IOW, all are examples of purpose targeting and purpose charging under the inclusive sub-heading, 'Levy; thereby distinguishing each of them from general "slush-fund' taxation (GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. An admninistrative distinction that has rather more to do with small-print ministerial classification and accounting than with layman semantics.
Post by JohnO
Source: https://www.lexico.com/definition/levy courstesy of OED.
So there you have it. A levy is a tax.
A nominated, single-purposed and targeted tax, yes.
That is indeed the subtle distinction between the two.
Never the less, Robertson and co promised repeatedly not to bring any new ones in. Just like he expressly promised not to extend the brightline test.
Politicians all lie, none more so than the ones who claim to never lie.
1. Which of our MPs has ever said they never lie?
2. Which of our MPs has ever said, in terms, "I promise to (not to)"?
Ardern on several occasions Keith! Usually followed by yet another lie and you know it!
Then go ahead and identify them, verbatim, with date and time in each case. That, or be confirmed for the vacuous little troll you have only ever been, and you know it.
They are rare, so I won't hold my breath on John Bowes claim . . .

See however :
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3311679/Key-no-GST-rise-video-emerges
and
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/key-ruled-out-gst-increase-2008
and
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pm-defensive-after-video-reveals-gst-flip-flop/YQK5BBSGGSDW4RPHONZC2P2WZE/

and one from Jacinda Ardern and an opinion as to whether it matters:
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/john-armstrong-government-s-broken-promises-won-t-necessarily-lead-dip-in-polls
John Bowes
2021-05-24 08:24:25 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 22 May 2021 02:23:46 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by JohnO
Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Your government defines it as a levy - a singular, purpose-based classification, as explained in my initial response to the topic. I find other web references provide the same or similar distinction.
To the great unwashed who must come up with the readies on pain of penalty, such imposts may well be lumped together as "tax" and if that's good enough for them, why argue the point?
Post by Tony
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
In this instance, the OED equivocates on the terminology. Others likewise.
'Nuff said.
Nope.
Levy
NOUN
1 An act of levying a tax, fee, or fine.
‘police forces receive 49 per cent of their funding via a levy on the rates’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 A tax raised by levying.
‘we all pay a fossil fuel levy in our electricity bills’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 A sum collected as a supplement to an existing subscription.
‘the trade-union political levy’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.3 An item or items of property seized to satisfy a legal judgement.
IOW, all are examples of purpose targeting and purpose charging under the inclusive sub-heading, 'Levy; thereby distinguishing each of them from general "slush-fund' taxation (GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. An admninistrative distinction that has rather more to do with small-print ministerial classification and accounting than with layman semantics.
Post by JohnO
Source: https://www.lexico.com/definition/levy courstesy of OED.
So there you have it. A levy is a tax.
A nominated, single-purposed and targeted tax, yes.
That is indeed the subtle distinction between the two.
Never the less, Robertson and co promised repeatedly not to bring any new ones in. Just like he expressly promised not to extend the brightline test.
Politicians all lie, none more so than the ones who claim to never lie.
1. Which of our MPs has ever said they never lie?
2. Which of our MPs has ever said, in terms, "I promise to (not to)"?
Ardern on several occasions Keith! Usually followed by yet another lie and you know it!
Then go ahead and identify them, verbatim, with date and time in each case. That, or be confirmed for the vacuous little troll you have only ever been, and you know it.
They are rare, so I won't hold my breath on John Bowes claim . . .
PLEASE do Rich. It'll be good for this group, the country AND the world :)
,<crap snipped>
Rich80105
2021-05-24 10:13:25 UTC
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On Sat, 22 May 2021 02:23:46 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
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Post by JohnO
Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Your government defines it as a levy - a singular, purpose-based classification, as explained in my initial response to the topic. I find other web references provide the same or similar distinction.
To the great unwashed who must come up with the readies on pain of penalty, such imposts may well be lumped together as "tax" and if that's good enough for them, why argue the point?
Post by Tony
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
In this instance, the OED equivocates on the terminology. Others likewise.
'Nuff said.
Nope.
Levy
NOUN
1 An act of levying a tax, fee, or fine.
‘police forces receive 49 per cent of their funding via a levy on the rates’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 A tax raised by levying.
‘we all pay a fossil fuel levy in our electricity bills’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 A sum collected as a supplement to an existing subscription.
‘the trade-union political levy’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.3 An item or items of property seized to satisfy a legal judgement.
IOW, all are examples of purpose targeting and purpose charging under the inclusive sub-heading, 'Levy; thereby distinguishing each of them from general "slush-fund' taxation (GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. An admninistrative distinction that has rather more to do with small-print ministerial classification and accounting than with layman semantics.
Post by JohnO
Source: https://www.lexico.com/definition/levy courstesy of OED.
So there you have it. A levy is a tax.
A nominated, single-purposed and targeted tax, yes.
That is indeed the subtle distinction between the two.
Never the less, Robertson and co promised repeatedly not to bring any new ones in. Just like he expressly promised not to extend the brightline test.
Politicians all lie, none more so than the ones who claim to never lie.
1. Which of our MPs has ever said they never lie?
2. Which of our MPs has ever said, in terms, "I promise to (not to)"?
Ardern on several occasions Keith! Usually followed by yet another lie and you know it!
Then go ahead and identify them, verbatim, with date and time in each case. That, or be confirmed for the vacuous little troll you have only ever been, and you know it.
They are rare, so I won't hold my breath on John Bowes claim . . .
PLEASE do Rich. It'll be good for this group, the country AND the world :)
,<crap snipped>
Whether you delete from a single message or not, the information is
still there, Johnny - :

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3311679/Key-no-GST-rise-video-emerges
and
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/key-ruled-out-gst-increase-2008
and
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pm-defensive-after-video-reveals-gst-flip-flop/YQK5BBSGGSDW4RPHONZC2P2WZE/

It does appear that you are unable to provide any supporting evidence
for your lies above - is anyone surprised?

Another John Bowes fail . . .
John Bowes
2021-05-24 22:12:32 UTC
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On Sat, 22 May 2021 02:23:46 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
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Post by JohnO
Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Your government defines it as a levy - a singular, purpose-based classification, as explained in my initial response to the topic. I find other web references provide the same or similar distinction.
To the great unwashed who must come up with the readies on pain of penalty, such imposts may well be lumped together as "tax" and if that's good enough for them, why argue the point?
Post by Tony
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
In this instance, the OED equivocates on the terminology. Others likewise.
'Nuff said.
Nope.
Levy
NOUN
1 An act of levying a tax, fee, or fine.
‘police forces receive 49 per cent of their funding via a levy on the rates’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 A tax raised by levying.
‘we all pay a fossil fuel levy in our electricity bills’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 A sum collected as a supplement to an existing subscription.
‘the trade-union political levy’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.3 An item or items of property seized to satisfy a legal judgement.
IOW, all are examples of purpose targeting and purpose charging under the inclusive sub-heading, 'Levy; thereby distinguishing each of them from general "slush-fund' taxation (GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. An admninistrative distinction that has rather more to do with small-print ministerial classification and accounting than with layman semantics.
Post by JohnO
Source: https://www.lexico.com/definition/levy courstesy of OED.
So there you have it. A levy is a tax.
A nominated, single-purposed and targeted tax, yes.
That is indeed the subtle distinction between the two.
Never the less, Robertson and co promised repeatedly not to bring any new ones in. Just like he expressly promised not to extend the brightline test.
Politicians all lie, none more so than the ones who claim to never lie.
1. Which of our MPs has ever said they never lie?
2. Which of our MPs has ever said, in terms, "I promise to (not to)"?
Ardern on several occasions Keith! Usually followed by yet another lie and you know it!
Then go ahead and identify them, verbatim, with date and time in each case. That, or be confirmed for the vacuous little troll you have only ever been, and you know it.
They are rare, so I won't hold my breath on John Bowes claim . . .
PLEASE do Rich. It'll be good for this group, the country AND the world :)
,<crap snipped>
Whether you delete from a single message or not, the information is
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3311679/Key-no-GST-rise-video-emerges
and
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/key-ruled-out-gst-increase-2008
and
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pm-defensive-after-video-reveals-gst-flip-flop/YQK5BBSGGSDW4RPHONZC2P2WZE/
It does appear that you are unable to provide any supporting evidence
for your lies above - is anyone surprised?
Another John Bowes fail . . .
Wrong again Rich! Like you Ardern habitually lies on an almost daily basis and you fucking well know it!
George Black
2021-05-24 19:53:53 UTC
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Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Your government defines it as a levy - a singular, purpose-based classification, as explained in my initial response to the topic. I find other web references provide the same or similar distinction.
To the great unwashed who must come up with the readies on pain of penalty, such imposts may well be lumped together as "tax" and if that's good enough for them, why argue the point?
Post by Tony
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
In this instance, the OED equivocates on the terminology. Others likewise.
'Nuff said.
Nope.
Levy
NOUN
1 An act of levying a tax, fee, or fine.
‘police forces receive 49 per cent of their funding via a levy on the rates’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 A tax raised by levying.
‘we all pay a fossil fuel levy in our electricity bills’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 A sum collected as a supplement to an existing subscription.
‘the trade-union political levy’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.3 An item or items of property seized to satisfy a legal judgement.
IOW, all are examples of purpose targeting and purpose charging under the inclusive sub-heading, 'Levy; thereby distinguishing each of them from general "slush-fund' taxation (GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. An admninistrative distinction that has rather more to do with small-print ministerial classification and accounting than with layman semantics.
Post by JohnO
Source: https://www.lexico.com/definition/levy courstesy of OED.
So there you have it. A levy is a tax.
A nominated, single-purposed and targeted tax, yes.
That is indeed the subtle distinction between the two.
Never the less, Robertson and co promised repeatedly not to bring any new ones in. Just like he expressly promised not to extend the brightline test.
Politicians all lie, none more so than the ones who claim to never lie.
1. Which of our MPs has ever said they never lie?
2. Which of our MPs has ever said, in terms, "I promise to (not to)"?
Ardern on several occasions Keith! Usually followed by yet another lie and you know it!
Then go ahead and identify them, verbatim, with date and time in each case. That, or be confirmed for the vacuous little troll you have only ever been, and you know it.
They are rare, so I won't hold my breath on John Bowes claim . . .
PLEASE do Rich. It'll be good for this group, the country AND the world :)
,<crap snipped>
Hansard should be evidence enough with time and date stamps to satisfy
him that liebor lies
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2021-05-24 20:47:03 UTC
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On Sat, 22 May 2021 02:23:46 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
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Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Your government defines it as a levy - a singular, purpose-based classification, as explained in my initial response to the topic. I find other web references provide the same or similar distinction.
To the great unwashed who must come up with the readies on pain of penalty, such imposts may well be lumped together as "tax" and if that's good enough for them, why argue the point?
Post by Tony
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
In this instance, the OED equivocates on the terminology. Others likewise.
'Nuff said.
Nope.
Levy
NOUN
1 An act of levying a tax, fee, or fine.
‘police forces receive 49 per cent of their funding via a levy on the rates’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 A tax raised by levying.
‘we all pay a fossil fuel levy in our electricity bills’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 A sum collected as a supplement to an existing subscription.
‘the trade-union political levy’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.3 An item or items of property seized to satisfy a legal judgement.
IOW, all are examples of purpose targeting and purpose charging under the inclusive sub-heading, 'Levy; thereby distinguishing each of them from general "slush-fund' taxation (GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. An admninistrative distinction that has rather more to do with small-print ministerial classification and accounting than with layman semantics.
Post by JohnO
Source: https://www.lexico.com/definition/levy courstesy of OED.
So there you have it. A levy is a tax.
A nominated, single-purposed and targeted tax, yes.
That is indeed the subtle distinction between the two.
Never the less, Robertson and co promised repeatedly not to bring any new ones in. Just like he expressly promised not to extend the brightline test.
Politicians all lie, none more so than the ones who claim to never lie.
1. Which of our MPs has ever said they never lie?
2. Which of our MPs has ever said, in terms, "I promise to (not to)"?
Ardern on several occasions Keith! Usually followed by yet another lie and you know it!
Then go ahead and identify them, verbatim, with date and time in each case. That, or be confirmed for the vacuous little troll you have only ever been, and you know it.
They are rare, so I won't hold my breath on John Bowes claim . . .
PLEASE do Rich. It'll be good for this group, the country AND the world :)
,<crap snipped>
Hansard should be evidence enough with time and date stamps to satisfy
him that liebor lies
I gave a couple of examples, but you have set a good challenge to John
Bowes - he made a claim, let him justify it . . .
John Bowes
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Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Your government defines it as a levy - a singular, purpose-based classification, as explained in my initial response to the topic. I find other web references provide the same or similar distinction.
To the great unwashed who must come up with the readies on pain of penalty, such imposts may well be lumped together as "tax" and if that's good enough for them, why argue the point?
Post by Tony
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
In this instance, the OED equivocates on the terminology. Others likewise.
'Nuff said.
Nope.
Levy
NOUN
1 An act of levying a tax, fee, or fine.
‘police forces receive 49 per cent of their funding via a levy on the rates’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 A tax raised by levying.
‘we all pay a fossil fuel levy in our electricity bills’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 A sum collected as a supplement to an existing subscription.
‘the trade-union political levy’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.3 An item or items of property seized to satisfy a legal judgement.
IOW, all are examples of purpose targeting and purpose charging under the inclusive sub-heading, 'Levy; thereby distinguishing each of them from general "slush-fund' taxation (GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. An admninistrative distinction that has rather more to do with small-print ministerial classification and accounting than with layman semantics.
Post by JohnO
Source: https://www.lexico.com/definition/levy courstesy of OED.
So there you have it. A levy is a tax.
A nominated, single-purposed and targeted tax, yes.
That is indeed the subtle distinction between the two.
Never the less, Robertson and co promised repeatedly not to bring any new ones in. Just like he expressly promised not to extend the brightline test.
Politicians all lie, none more so than the ones who claim to never lie.
1. Which of our MPs has ever said they never lie?
2. Which of our MPs has ever said, in terms, "I promise to (not to)"?
Ardern on several occasions Keith! Usually followed by yet another lie and you know it!
Then go ahead and identify them, verbatim, with date and time in each case. That, or be confirmed for the vacuous little troll you have only ever been, and you know it.
They are rare, so I won't hold my breath on John Bowes claim . . .
PLEASE do Rich. It'll be good for this group, the country AND the world :)
,<crap snipped>
Hansard should be evidence enough with time and date stamps to satisfy
him that liebor lies
I gave a couple of examples, but you have set a good challenge to John
Bowes - he made a claim, let him justify it . . .
You've had Ardern's lies pointed out to you on numerous occasions Rich. Your defence of her is just another lie from you!
Rich80105
2021-05-24 22:36:47 UTC
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On Sat, 22 May 2021 02:23:46 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
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Post by JohnO
Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Your government defines it as a levy - a singular, purpose-based classification, as explained in my initial response to the topic. I find other web references provide the same or similar distinction.
To the great unwashed who must come up with the readies on pain of penalty, such imposts may well be lumped together as "tax" and if that's good enough for them, why argue the point?
Post by Tony
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
In this instance, the OED equivocates on the terminology. Others likewise.
'Nuff said.
Nope.
Levy
NOUN
1 An act of levying a tax, fee, or fine.
‘police forces receive 49 per cent of their funding via a levy on the rates’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 A tax raised by levying.
‘we all pay a fossil fuel levy in our electricity bills’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 A sum collected as a supplement to an existing subscription.
‘the trade-union political levy’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.3 An item or items of property seized to satisfy a legal judgement.
IOW, all are examples of purpose targeting and purpose charging under the inclusive sub-heading, 'Levy; thereby distinguishing each of them from general "slush-fund' taxation (GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. An admninistrative distinction that has rather more to do with small-print ministerial classification and accounting than with layman semantics.
Post by JohnO
Source: https://www.lexico.com/definition/levy courstesy of OED.
So there you have it. A levy is a tax.
A nominated, single-purposed and targeted tax, yes.
That is indeed the subtle distinction between the two.
Never the less, Robertson and co promised repeatedly not to bring any new ones in. Just like he expressly promised not to extend the brightline test.
Politicians all lie, none more so than the ones who claim to never lie.
1. Which of our MPs has ever said they never lie?
2. Which of our MPs has ever said, in terms, "I promise to (not to)"?
Ardern on several occasions Keith! Usually followed by yet another lie and you know it!
Then go ahead and identify them, verbatim, with date and time in each case. That, or be confirmed for the vacuous little troll you have only ever been, and you know it.
They are rare, so I won't hold my breath on John Bowes claim . . .
PLEASE do Rich. It'll be good for this group, the country AND the world :)
,<crap snipped>
Hansard should be evidence enough with time and date stamps to satisfy
him that liebor lies
I gave a couple of examples, but you have set a good challenge to John
Bowes - he made a claim, let him justify it . . .
You've had Ardern's lies pointed out to you on numerous occasions Rich. Your defence of her is just another lie from you!
And there you go with another three lies in just that one line post!
It is easy for you to lie, but it is clear you cannot support your
claims with any facts. James Christophers asked you some questions
above - try answering, with evidence to back up any assertions:

1. Which of our MPs has ever said they never lie?

2. Which of our MPs has ever said, in terms, "I promise to (not to)"?
John Bowes
2021-05-25 04:26:27 UTC
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On Sat, 22 May 2021 02:23:46 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
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Post by JohnO
Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Your government defines it as a levy - a singular, purpose-based classification, as explained in my initial response to the topic. I find other web references provide the same or similar distinction.
To the great unwashed who must come up with the readies on pain of penalty, such imposts may well be lumped together as "tax" and if that's good enough for them, why argue the point?
Post by Tony
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
In this instance, the OED equivocates on the terminology. Others likewise.
'Nuff said.
Nope.
Levy
NOUN
1 An act of levying a tax, fee, or fine.
‘police forces receive 49 per cent of their funding via a levy on the rates’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 A tax raised by levying.
‘we all pay a fossil fuel levy in our electricity bills’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 A sum collected as a supplement to an existing subscription.
‘the trade-union political levy’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.3 An item or items of property seized to satisfy a legal judgement.
IOW, all are examples of purpose targeting and purpose charging under the inclusive sub-heading, 'Levy; thereby distinguishing each of them from general "slush-fund' taxation (GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. An admninistrative distinction that has rather more to do with small-print ministerial classification and accounting than with layman semantics.
Post by JohnO
Source: https://www.lexico.com/definition/levy courstesy of OED.
So there you have it. A levy is a tax.
A nominated, single-purposed and targeted tax, yes.
That is indeed the subtle distinction between the two.
Never the less, Robertson and co promised repeatedly not to bring any new ones in. Just like he expressly promised not to extend the brightline test.
Politicians all lie, none more so than the ones who claim to never lie.
1. Which of our MPs has ever said they never lie?
2. Which of our MPs has ever said, in terms, "I promise to (not to)"?
Ardern on several occasions Keith! Usually followed by yet another lie and you know it!
Then go ahead and identify them, verbatim, with date and time in each case. That, or be confirmed for the vacuous little troll you have only ever been, and you know it.
They are rare, so I won't hold my breath on John Bowes claim . . .
PLEASE do Rich. It'll be good for this group, the country AND the world :)
,<crap snipped>
Hansard should be evidence enough with time and date stamps to satisfy
him that liebor lies
I gave a couple of examples, but you have set a good challenge to John
Bowes - he made a claim, let him justify it . . .
You've had Ardern's lies pointed out to you on numerous occasions Rich. Your defence of her is just another lie from you!
And there you go with another three lies in just that one line post!
It is easy for you to lie, but it is clear you cannot support your
claims with any facts. James Christophers asked you some questions
1. Which of our MPs has ever said they never lie?
2. Which of our MPs has ever said, in terms, "I promise to (not to)"?
I have answered Keith's questions Rich. Not my fault you're to bloody stupid and brainwashed to know the truth and you know there are no lies in my one liner your just in denial of the truth about your glorious lying leader!
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2021-05-24 08:19:52 UTC
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On Sat, 22 May 2021 02:23:46 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
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Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Your government defines it as a levy - a singular, purpose-based classification, as explained in my initial response to the topic. I find other web references provide the same or similar distinction.
To the great unwashed who must come up with the readies on pain of penalty, such imposts may well be lumped together as "tax" and if that's good enough for them, why argue the point?
Post by Tony
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
In this instance, the OED equivocates on the terminology. Others likewise.
'Nuff said.
Nope.
Levy
NOUN
1 An act of levying a tax, fee, or fine.
‘police forces receive 49 per cent of their funding via a levy on the rates’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 A tax raised by levying.
‘we all pay a fossil fuel levy in our electricity bills’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 A sum collected as a supplement to an existing subscription.
‘the trade-union political levy’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.3 An item or items of property seized to satisfy a legal judgement.
IOW, all are examples of purpose targeting and purpose charging under the inclusive sub-heading, 'Levy; thereby distinguishing each of them from general "slush-fund' taxation (GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. An admninistrative distinction that has rather more to do with small-print ministerial classification and accounting than with layman semantics.
Post by JohnO
Source: https://www.lexico.com/definition/levy courstesy of OED.
So there you have it. A levy is a tax.
A nominated, single-purposed and targeted tax, yes.
That is indeed the subtle distinction between the two.
Never the less, Robertson and co promised repeatedly not to bring any new ones in. Just like he expressly promised not to extend the brightline test.
Politicians all lie, none more so than the ones who claim to never lie.
1. Which of our MPs has ever said they never lie?
2. Which of our MPs has ever said, in terms, "I promise to (not to)"?
Ardern on several occasions Keith! Usually followed by yet another lie and you know it!
Then go ahead and identify them, verbatim, with date and time in each case. That, or be confirmed for the vacuous little troll you have only ever been, and you know it.
Don't need to Keith. You AND Rich know I'm right!
JohnO
2021-05-24 23:07:28 UTC
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On Sat, 22 May 2021 02:23:46 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
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Post by JohnO
Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Your government defines it as a levy - a singular, purpose-based classification, as explained in my initial response to the topic. I find other web references provide the same or similar distinction.
To the great unwashed who must come up with the readies on pain of penalty, such imposts may well be lumped together as "tax" and if that's good enough for them, why argue the point?
Post by Tony
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
In this instance, the OED equivocates on the terminology. Others likewise.
'Nuff said.
Nope.
Levy
NOUN
1 An act of levying a tax, fee, or fine.
‘police forces receive 49 per cent of their funding via a levy on the rates’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 A tax raised by levying.
‘we all pay a fossil fuel levy in our electricity bills’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 A sum collected as a supplement to an existing subscription.
‘the trade-union political levy’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.3 An item or items of property seized to satisfy a legal judgement.
IOW, all are examples of purpose targeting and purpose charging under the inclusive sub-heading, 'Levy; thereby distinguishing each of them from general "slush-fund' taxation (GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. An admninistrative distinction that has rather more to do with small-print ministerial classification and accounting than with layman semantics.
Post by JohnO
Source: https://www.lexico.com/definition/levy courstesy of OED.
So there you have it. A levy is a tax.
A nominated, single-purposed and targeted tax, yes.
That is indeed the subtle distinction between the two.
Never the less, Robertson and co promised repeatedly not to bring any new ones in. Just like he expressly promised not to extend the brightline test.
Politicians all lie, none more so than the ones who claim to never lie.
1. Which of our MPs has ever said they never lie?
As of 9 years in national politics, and the rest of her life in student/activist/other politics, Jacinda says she never told one single lie:



Whether or not she ever lied while serving up shark'n taties we are not sure.
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2. Which of our MPs has ever said, in terms, "I promise to (not to)"?
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2021-05-23 03:13:38 UTC
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Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
Post by JohnO
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
This is nothing about user pays it's GR lying about a new tax called
"unemployment insurance premium" and calling it a levy.
A levy is a tax. Perhaps strictly speaking it is the act of levying a tax. But
that is splitting hairs.
It is a tax by any definition.
Your government defines it as a levy - a singular, purpose-based
classification, as explained in my initial response to the topic. I find other
web references provide the same or similar distinction.
To the great unwashed who must come up with the readies on pain of penalty,
such imposts may well be lumped together as "tax" and if that's good enough for
them, why argue the point?
Post by Tony
Rich should perhaps read a dictionary - any one will probably do.
In this instance, the OED equivocates on the terminology. Others likewise.
'Nuff said.
I found 5 dictionaries that define it as a tax. Now that really is enough said.
Tony
2021-05-22 20:57:30 UTC
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Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
No I believe in it absolutely.
But that has nothing to do with this thread.
JohnO
2021-05-23 00:14:28 UTC
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Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
You just hate user pays, don't you Tony.
User, i.e. beneficiary payee, would be the employee. Payer will be the employer shareholder.

So not "user pays" in any way.
George Black
2021-05-22 20:02:17 UTC
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Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
If they're not lying they have nothing to say
Rich80105
2021-05-22 20:49:14 UTC
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Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
If they're not lying they have nothing to say
hat is a bit harsh on poor Tony; at least give him a chance to explain
why he thinks it is a tax. Then you can call him a liar . . .
Tony
2021-05-22 20:56:40 UTC
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Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
If they're not lying they have nothing to say
hat is a bit harsh on poor Tony; at least give him a chance to explain
why he thinks it is a tax. Then you can call him a liar . . .
Taking advice from a 3 year old again?
John Bowes
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Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
If they're not lying they have nothing to say
hat is a bit harsh on poor Tony; at least give him a chance to explain
why he thinks it is a tax. Then you can call him a liar . . .
Simple Rich. It's a tax no matter how you and Keith spin it! Now stop levying Tony's patience and start behaving like a reasonable human being for once in your useless life!
Mutlley
2021-05-22 20:28:06 UTC
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Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted,
purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation
(GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
It is a tax.
That's why they are call Liebor because they lie about such things.
JohnO
2021-05-23 00:12:31 UTC
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Thanks for clearing that up, Grant, you lying cunt.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/not-a-broken-promise-grant-robertson-says-new-unemployment-insurance-will-be-paid-via-levy-not-a-tax.html
Looks very much like an unemployment insurance premium, purpose targeted, purpose charged; therefore distinguished from general "slush-fund' taxation (GST and PAYE etc) as with ACC et al. A classification , if you will.
Paid for by the employer, so effectively tax (or levy) on its shareholders.
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