On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 16:11:28 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony Post by Rich80105 Post by Gordon
It seems that some others are also wondering what the Covid road map is. The
lack of vision as to where we are going is very frustrating.
A good plan to-day is better than a perfect one tomorrow. As the saying
"One cannot be sure that any operational plan will survive the first
encounter with the main body of the enemy"
The plan with levels 1, 2, 3 and 4 worked quite well when they were
first developed - as time went onwe added various things like contact
tracing and isolation and testing. We started vaccinations, and were
able to come back down to level 1. Then we got Delta - the Enemy
modified itself, but we did not abandon the previous plan, we adapted
So we have a Covid Road map for this stage - and we are getting used
to it - we understand bubbles; we understand why isolation is
desirable, we understand that it has changed from being presumed to
infect thrugh touch to infgecting through aerosols, and we have
changed level 2 a bit and introduced masks. Sounds like a fairly
stable plan . . .
The hard part is knowing when to stop doing parts of the process -
with unhindered international travel being an aim for some; not going
to levels 3 or 4 the aim for others. Some countries never went to our
level 4; others moved out more quickly than we did - and a very small
number (China being the most prominent) impose harder restrictions
So I would say we have a good plan, but we know we don't know
everything, and we know it will not be perfect, especially if the
virus changes again . . . Does that help?
We do not have a plan for a future further out than next month.
Of course we do - have not been reading and listening?
Post by Tony
That is one of the things the article is suggesting.
The author is clearly nearly as confused as you are.
Post by Tony
The other most important
one is the huge mistake (never admitted) to delay the purchase of vaccines -
incompetent then and moreso now.
Even if true (and it isn't), if something was icompetent more than a
year ago, why is it moreso now? We have very good supplied - enough to
give a third injection to most New Zealanders. What is the problem
Post by Tony
It is a very brave article in some ways and shows the way for the PM to admit
things are now in a bad way and she has no idea where we can be in a year's
time or how to get there.
Why on earth would you want our prime minister to lie to New
Zealanders in that way?
Post by Tony
Saying it is hard is not good enough. That is what we pay her for.
Everyone is saying that dealing with Covid is hard - we pay our Prime
Minister to tell us the truth - which she does.
I find it amazing that with global warming, we have a lot of people
saying that there is no problem, then when it is shown that there is
that we cannot make a difference, then when it is shown we can say we
should wait for science to fix it - anything to avoid dealing with the
need for change change. Yet now faced with a second and different
version of the original covid, we still get paople saying we should
just let people die; we should do what New South Wales have done, etc
etc - anything but follow the science.
At present we know that the vaccine does not give full immunisation,
that it does not prevent a person that has been vaccinated getting
Covid or showing no symptoms but infecting others. When Israel reached
70% Vaccination they thought they had done enough - and opened
themselves up to a resurgance that killed many and gave sever illness
to many more and causing large economic harm. New South Wales were
never really keen on lockdowns - that was the message from their
politicians who exxpemted all sorts of things - until eventually they
had to virtually admit that they had lost control and that they had
given up - the Premier even giving up talking to residents trough
embarrassment, shame, or the wishful thinking that if she hides she
may not get the blame . . .
So our government has recently been talking about a target of 100% for
vaccinations, but also of considering moving to allow home isolation
for some returning New Zealanders so that more can return. Meanwhile
our government is funding research in New Zealand in relation to
vaccines and domestic production of vaccines - there is speculation
that we may need annual vaccinations similar to the infuenza vaccine.
So active research and planning is happening all the time, and for
those prepared to listen there is a wealth of material.
These are also complex issues, with more than just health and business
profits to concern us - see for example :
Just bitching and moaning will not get us anywhere, Tony