On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 15:52:53 -0800 (PST), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers Post by Tony Post by Rich80105
A good description of what Key was aiming for. New Zealand is not of
course the same as the UK, but the subversive motives of the right are
It's a good job that National are not right wing then, isn't it?
Considered marginally less left-of-center than Labour.
The identification of left, right and centre are very subjective -
many National supporters probably consider themselves as
"centre-right," and Labour supporters as being "centre-left." One of
the few references I have been able to find that attempts to measure
this over time is here:
It is however the relative movements that are instructive - compare
that graph with NZ 2017, 2014, 2011, 2008.
Essentially New Zealand is largely conservative - Labour moved
significantly to the right (and became more authoritarian than
previously) for the 2020 election - and perhaps for that reason being
able to take votes from National. NZ First and ACT have moved around
The UK appears to have much greater choice - but it seems the new
leaders of Labour are seeking to shift that partly sharply towards the
centre . . . https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2019
For a comparison of the US left/right divide, see
where Biden only fractionally to the left of the NZ National Party,
and Trump marginally more right, but significantly more authoritarian
than National . . .
I am not aware of any recognised commentators arguing that either
National in NZ or the Republican Party in the USA are not 'right
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
We seem to be safe from this imaginary intrusion into democracy.
As the article suggests, the UK is now run by a self-serving chumocracy which if recent history is anything to go by is now degenerating into a kleptocracy.
As ever, when two people (biddable politicians and corporate interests) get together to decide what to do with a third party's (the people's) money, fraud and the denuding of essential public infrastructure are the inevitable resuilt.