On Fri, 08 May 2020 21:39:04 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony Post by Gordon Post by Tony Post by Tony Post by JohnO
What a disgrace.
I saw this reported on one of the news programmes last night, I could not
believe it and thought I would wait for corroboration and here it is.
They arte saying - so we don't need to justify what we are doing - is that
What is happened to democracy?
They are saying - so we don't need to justify what we are doing - is that
What is happening to democracy?
Well, I have not heard that there will be a poll taken 19 September 2020.
Gordon that is irrelevant.
Elections do not, ever, guarantee democratic behaviour by the elected
government. The onus is on all of us to watch for undemocratic behaviour at all
times and flag it - as in this case.
So you are objecting to the information not being released earlier,
then objecting to it being released - but which part of what the
government has done is in your voew undemocratic, Tony? Deciding not
to answer questions until reporters have had a chance to read it? Or
perhaps you thought they should have read it to the media?
I suspect that part of it is the times we have just been through - the
government spent a lot of time deciding what to do, to read a vast
amount of material, and to make decisions based on changing, and
possibly at times conflicint advice and priorities. We appear to have
now moved from having to take actions where there were a number of
alternatives, any of which could have proved to be wrong or
sub-optimal. It was noticeable that the Prime Minister refused to
answer on topics other than Covid-19 for quite a long time, as that
subject was taking most of government's time.
We are not in a situation where at least some public servants, and the
Prime Minister herself, have had time to address the build up of OIA
requests, but also to see that actions that were taken had been
properly documented - and when that had been put together to have
authorised the release. There would have been a natural reluctance to
do that in stages during some of the past weeks, as the re-hashing of
old material and second-guessing and cherry picking of advice would
not have been helpful to decisions still needing to be made. I am
hopeful that we are now emerging from the crisis, and that decisions
on moving to lower levels may still not be easy, they will not be as
contentious as those until we were able to move from level 4.
A lot of the material now released is well within the time for any OIA
request, and indeed some of it may not have been asked for, but
releasing a coherent package does seem to me to be more likely to get
coherent analysis from at least some media. Already Radio New Zealand
seem to have done a good job on starting to go through the papers.
So yes, this possibly is the most open and transparent government ever
in relation to this crisis at least.
It will however take some time for the material now avaialble to be
absorbed and analysed, and it is clear that will not be done by some
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