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A humiliating episode for the superpower
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Tilly
2005-09-03 09:29:37 UTC
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Paris - The world's press reacted with disbelief on Friday to mayhem
overrunning the hurricane disaster zone in the United States, describing the
chaos as reminiscent of a Third World crisis and as a humiliating episode
for the superpower.

"Here is a superpower that can crush at will a tinpot dictatorship but then
becomes so bogged down in the grisly aftermath of war that it finds itself
unable to respond to anything like adequately to the plight of tens of
thousands of its own citizens engulfed by a natural calamity," said
Britain's Daily Mail newspaper.

"President Bush, his ratings already in free-fall, could pay a high price
indeed for his military folly," it said.

Gun-toting looters pillaging stores in the streets, bodies floating in the
waters, levees unable to hold back the water, and tales of rape and squalor
in the main emergency refuge, the New Orleans Superdome, left foreign
commentators stunned.

"Young men have not only been looting with impunity but firing on National
Guardsmen. And the authorities still have no idea how many people may have
died," London's conservative Daily Telegraph said.

"In Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama over the past four days, the United
States has been struggling to provide the basic necessities of life - food,
water and medicine - to the victims of Hurricane Katrina," London's Daily
Telegraph said. "Take New Orleans alone. The breached levees remain
unrepaired. About 20 000 refugees have been living in appalling squalor in
the Superdome sports stadium."

France's Figaro newspaper headlined: "America overwhelmed by catastrophe."

The left-wing Liberation recalled how the Kobe earthquake had humbled a
major power.

"But the lesson of New Orleans is even darker," it said.

"A modern city that sinks under the waters and into anarchy is a cruel
spectacle for an absolute champion of security like (US President George W)
Bush, who incidentally seems out of his depth," it said.

An apparent lack of preparation for the crisis staggered many papers.

"What really stands out is the clear insufficient investment and contingency
measures to protect the population of the Mississippi Delta from a forecast
disaster," the paper said.

In Portugal the right-leaning daily Diario de Noticias likened the images of
the crisis to a disaster movie or "Liberia or some another Third World
nation in trouble."

In the United States, newspapers asked the same questions.

"How could the government have been so unready for a crisis that was so
widely predicted?" asked The Washington Post, adding that experts had
"issued repeated warnings for years about the city's unique topography and
vulnerability."

Papers highlighted the gap between rich and poor unmasked by the looting and
the fact that the most impoverished took the brunt of the disaster
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Bobs
2005-09-03 09:34:40 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Paris - The world's press reacted with disbelief on Friday to mayhem
overrunning the hurricane disaster zone in the United States, describing the
chaos as reminiscent of a Third World crisis and as a humiliating episode
for the superpower.
"Here is a superpower that can crush at will a tinpot dictatorship but then
becomes so bogged down in the grisly aftermath of war that it finds itself
unable to respond to anything like adequately to the plight of tens of
thousands of its own citizens engulfed by a natural calamity," said
Britain's Daily Mail newspaper.
"President Bush, his ratings already in free-fall, could pay a high price
indeed for his military folly," it said.
Gun-toting looters pillaging stores in the streets, bodies floating in the
waters, levees unable to hold back the water, and tales of rape and squalor
in the main emergency refuge, the New Orleans Superdome, left foreign
commentators stunned.
"Young men have not only been looting with impunity but firing on National
Guardsmen. And the authorities still have no idea how many people may have
died," London's conservative Daily Telegraph said.
"In Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama over the past four days, the United
States has been struggling to provide the basic necessities of life - food,
water and medicine - to the victims of Hurricane Katrina," London's Daily
Telegraph said. "Take New Orleans alone. The breached levees remain
unrepaired. About 20 000 refugees have been living in appalling squalor in
the Superdome sports stadium."
France's Figaro newspaper headlined: "America overwhelmed by catastrophe."
The left-wing Liberation recalled how the Kobe earthquake had humbled a
major power.
"But the lesson of New Orleans is even darker," it said.
"A modern city that sinks under the waters and into anarchy is a cruel
spectacle for an absolute champion of security like (US President George W)
Bush, who incidentally seems out of his depth," it said.
An apparent lack of preparation for the crisis staggered many papers.
"What really stands out is the clear insufficient investment and contingency
measures to protect the population of the Mississippi Delta from a forecast
disaster," the paper said.
In Portugal the right-leaning daily Diario de Noticias likened the images of
the crisis to a disaster movie or "Liberia or some another Third World
nation in trouble."
In the United States, newspapers asked the same questions.
"How could the government have been so unready for a crisis that was so
widely predicted?" asked The Washington Post, adding that experts had
"issued repeated warnings for years about the city's unique topography and
vulnerability."
Papers highlighted the gap between rich and poor unmasked by the looting and
the fact that the most impoverished took the brunt of the disaster
Nature is a great leveler, Tilly.
Tilly
2005-09-03 09:58:23 UTC
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Post by Bobs
Nature is a great leveler, Tilly.
True.
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Tilly
2005-09-03 09:35:02 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Paris - The world's press reacted with disbelief on Friday to mayhem
overrunning the hurricane disaster zone in the United States,
describing the chaos as reminiscent of a Third World crisis and as a
humiliating episode for the superpower.
A Fox reporter made the comment ,that he had been in many disaster and war
zones, including tsunami ravaged Sri Lanka , but the situation in New
Orleans was the worst and most wretched he had ever been. It is the most
Third World situation he has ever been in.


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m***@yahoo.com
2005-09-03 09:52:17 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by Tilly
Paris - The world's press reacted with disbelief on Friday to mayhem
overrunning the hurricane disaster zone in the United States,
describing the chaos as reminiscent of a Third World crisis and as a
humiliating episode for the superpower.
A Fox reporter made the comment ,that he had been in many disaster and war
zones, including tsunami ravaged Sri Lanka , but the situation in New
Orleans was the worst and most wretched he had ever been. It is the most
Third World situation he has ever been in.
Somebody should shout him a trip to Fallujah. We might see some fair
and balanced reporting from him...
Tilly
2005-09-03 09:55:09 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by Tilly
Paris - The world's press reacted with disbelief on Friday to
mayhem overrunning the hurricane disaster zone in the United
States, describing the chaos as reminiscent of a Third World
crisis and as a humiliating episode for the superpower.
A Fox reporter made the comment ,that he had been in many disaster
and war zones, including tsunami ravaged Sri Lanka , but the
situation in New Orleans was the worst and most wretched he had
ever been. It is the most Third World situation he has ever been in.
Somebody should shout him a trip to Fallujah. We might see some fair
and balanced reporting from him...
He was there.
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m***@yahoo.com
2005-09-03 10:02:12 UTC
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Post by Tilly
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Post by Tilly
Post by Tilly
Paris - The world's press reacted with disbelief on Friday to
mayhem overrunning the hurricane disaster zone in the United
States, describing the chaos as reminiscent of a Third World
crisis and as a humiliating episode for the superpower.
A Fox reporter made the comment ,that he had been in many disaster
and war zones, including tsunami ravaged Sri Lanka , but the
situation in New Orleans was the worst and most wretched he had
ever been. It is the most Third World situation he has ever been in.
Somebody should shout him a trip to Fallujah. We might see some fair
and balanced reporting from him...
He was there.
Really? And he reckons it's worse than that? So American troops are
shooting children on the streets in New Orleans for sport?
some guy
2005-09-03 10:35:10 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by Tilly
Paris - The world's press reacted with disbelief on Friday to
mayhem overrunning the hurricane disaster zone in the United
States, describing the chaos as reminiscent of a Third World
crisis and as a humiliating episode for the superpower.
A Fox reporter made the comment ,that he had been in many disaster
and war zones, including tsunami ravaged Sri Lanka , but the
situation in New Orleans was the worst and most wretched he had
ever been. It is the most Third World situation he has ever been in.
Somebody should shout him a trip to Fallujah. We might see some fair
and balanced reporting from him...
He was there.
Really? And he reckons it's worse than that? So American troops are
shooting children on the streets in New Orleans for sport?
He went to the actual falujah, not your hysterically anti-american
fantasyland.
m***@yahoo.com
2005-09-03 17:34:25 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by Tilly
Paris - The world's press reacted with disbelief on Friday to
mayhem overrunning the hurricane disaster zone in the United
States, describing the chaos as reminiscent of a Third World
crisis and as a humiliating episode for the superpower.
A Fox reporter made the comment ,that he had been in many disaster
and war zones, including tsunami ravaged Sri Lanka , but the
situation in New Orleans was the worst and most wretched he had
ever been. It is the most Third World situation he has ever been in.
Somebody should shout him a trip to Fallujah. We might see some fair
and balanced reporting from him...
He was there.
Really? And he reckons it's worse than that? So American troops are
shooting children on the streets in New Orleans for sport?
He went to the actual falujah, not your hysterically anti-american
fantasyland.
Oh yeah, the actual Fallujah! Where they're hidin' the Weapons of Mass
Destruction! Where they plotted the 9/11 atrocities! Where they
welcmed the US liberators!

But seriously --- here's a few pics for ya. Bottom left: a Fallujah
child (killed---sorry, liberated---by US troops); Right hand side: the
actual Fallujah; Top left: a Canadian moron who endorses such
carnage.)

Just click here, buddy...
Loading Image...
some guy
2005-09-05 00:56:31 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Paris - The world's press reacted with disbelief on Friday to
mayhem overrunning the hurricane disaster zone in the United
States, describing the chaos as reminiscent of a Third World
crisis and as a humiliating episode for the superpower.
A Fox reporter made the comment ,that he had been in many disaster
and war zones, including tsunami ravaged Sri Lanka , but the
situation in New Orleans was the worst and most wretched he had
ever been. It is the most Third World situation he has ever been in.
Somebody should shout him a trip to Fallujah. We might see some fair
and balanced reporting from him...
He was there.
Really? And he reckons it's worse than that? So American troops are
shooting children on the streets in New Orleans for sport?
He went to the actual falujah, not your hysterically anti-american
fantasyland.
Oh yeah, the actual Fallujah! Where they're hidin' the Weapons of Mass
Destruction! Where they plotted the 9/11 atrocities! Where they
welcmed the US liberators!
But seriously --- here's a few pics for ya. Bottom left: a Fallujah
child (killed---sorry, liberated---by US troops); Right hand side: the
actual Fallujah; Top left: a Canadian moron who endorses such
carnage.)
Just click here, buddy...
http://ontario.indymedia.ca/twiki/pub/Ontario/jpg/2004/CHUCKMAN-HARPER-FALLUJAH-CANADIANSWOULDBETHERE.jpg
Huh ? Where's the image 'US troops' shooting the child ? A close up of
a dead child ? Who killed them, how did they die ? Are they even from
IRAQ ? Looks more like an abrasion than a gunshot. Witnesses ?
Ballistic test on the bullet ? If it was a bullet, and not a muslim
suicide bomber. Is this the best you can come up with ? Truly
pathetic.
Rudy Canoza
2005-09-03 10:11:32 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Paris - The world's press reacted with disbelief on Friday to mayhem
overrunning the hurricane disaster zone in the United States, describing the
chaos as reminiscent of a Third World crisis and as a humiliating episode
for the superpower.
"Here is a superpower that can crush at will a tinpot dictatorship but then
becomes so bogged down in the grisly aftermath of war that it finds itself
unable to respond to anything like adequately to the plight of tens of
thousands of its own citizens engulfed by a natural calamity," said
Britain's Daily Mail newspaper.
There is no connection between Iraq and this disaster aftermath.
(<sarcasm>Still, I wonder why Iraq came up?</sarcasm>) If anything Bush has
been withholding maintaining the proper troop levels in *Iraq*. There's plenty
to be deployed in this emergency, as is being done. Not enough? Sorry but some
areas aren't even reachable. And tens of thousands in overcrowded emergency
living areas apparently require more than troops. Strange how leftists who
despise the American military and National Guard types think more armed
personel are needed. Whine all you like but these are still the only people
getting it done there, along with most notably Red Cross and Salvation Army.
Post by Tilly
"President Bush, his ratings already in free-fall, could pay a high price
indeed for his military folly," it said.
Gun-toting looters pillaging stores in the streets, bodies floating in the
waters, levees unable to hold back the water, and tales of rape and squalor
in the main emergency refuge, the New Orleans Superdome, left foreign
commentators stunned.
"Young men have not only been looting with impunity but firing on National
Guardsmen. And the authorities still have no idea how many people may have
died," London's conservative Daily Telegraph said.
Iraq again?

Their criticism might sound intelligent if this *wasn't* the biggest disaster
in US history... Cretins.......
Post by Tilly
"In Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama over the past four days, the United
States has been struggling to provide the basic necessities of life - food,
water and medicine - to the victims of Hurricane Katrina," London's Daily
Telegraph said. "Take New Orleans alone. The breached levees remain
unrepaired. About 20 000 refugees have been living in appalling squalor in
the Superdome sports stadium."
France's Figaro newspaper headlined: "America overwhelmed by catastrophe."
The left-wing Liberation recalled how the Kobe earthquake had humbled a
major power.
"But the lesson of New Orleans is even darker," it said.
"A modern city that sinks under the waters and into anarchy is a cruel
spectacle for an absolute champion of security like (US President George W)
Bush, who incidentally seems out of his depth," it said.
An apparent lack of preparation for the crisis staggered many papers.
"What really stands out is the clear insufficient investment and contingency
measures to protect the population of the Mississippi Delta from a forecast
disaster," the paper said.
An intelligent comment. Pity this story led with the one about the Iraq war.
But we know where some newspapers' real agendas lie.
Post by Tilly
In Portugal the right-leaning daily Diario de Noticias likened the images of
the crisis to a disaster movie or "Liberia or some another Third World
nation in trouble."
In the United States, newspapers asked the same questions.
"How could the government have been so unready for a crisis that was so
widely predicted?" asked The Washington Post, adding that experts had
"issued repeated warnings for years about the city's unique topography and
vulnerability."
Papers highlighted the gap between rich and poor unmasked by the looting and
the fact that the most impoverished took the brunt of the disaster
Actually for both rich and poor property has been completely destroyed. (Not
sure what they mean. Perhaps it's referring to the fact that poorer and
elderly were less able to evacuate even with three days warning.) The bleeding
hearters won't like to hear this but the poorer dwellings are a lot easier to
replace. And the rich won't be getting handouts.
grumpyoldhori
2005-09-03 11:09:30 UTC
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Rudy Can
Post by Rudy Canoza
There is no connection between Iraq and this disaster aftermath.
(<sarcasm>Still, I wonder why Iraq came up?</sarcasm>) If anything Bush has
been withholding maintaining the proper troop levels in *Iraq*. There's plenty
to be deployed in this emergency, as is being done. Not enough? Sorry but some
areas aren't even reachable. And tens of thousands in overcrowded emergency
living areas apparently require more than troops. Strange how leftists who
despise the American military and National Guard types think more armed
personel are needed. Whine all you like but these are still the only people
getting it done there, along with most notably Red Cross and Salvation Army.
Rudy,no one is pointing the finger at the National Guard,or the USA
military,they follow orders.
But there seems to be a lack of leadership all round,at city,
state and national level.
Those pictures of city buses,which were not used is a
disgrace.
grumpy
b***@orcon.net.nz
2005-09-03 13:25:13 UTC
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So when does Wellington get a tsunami and earthquake to flush out a few
of the excess lesbonazis running NZ?
Bling-Bling
2005-09-04 02:04:33 UTC
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So when does Wellington get a tsunami and earthquake to flush out a few
of the excess lesbonazis running NZ?
What is a "lesbonazi"


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t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
2005-09-03 17:13:45 UTC
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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 23:09:30 +1200, grumpyoldhori
Post by grumpyoldhori
Rudy Can
Post by Rudy Canoza
There is no connection between Iraq and this disaster aftermath.
(<sarcasm>Still, I wonder why Iraq came up?</sarcasm>) If anything Bush has
been withholding maintaining the proper troop levels in *Iraq*. There's plenty
to be deployed in this emergency, as is being done. Not enough? Sorry but some
areas aren't even reachable. And tens of thousands in overcrowded emergency
living areas apparently require more than troops. Strange how leftists who
despise the American military and National Guard types think more armed
personel are needed. Whine all you like but these are still the only people
getting it done there, along with most notably Red Cross and Salvation Army.
Rudy,no one is pointing the finger at the National Guard,or the USA
military,they follow orders.
But there seems to be a lack of leadership all round,at city,
state and national level.
Those pictures of city buses,which were not used is a
disgrace.
grumpy
I don't know how much you guys receive but there is growing questions
being voiced on tv over here about the Mayor and his council's role in
all this.

The power structure and police department are predominately black.

Example: the Mayor issued a proclomation for a mandatory evacuation.
He knows the city is around 70% black and in poverty.

But what shots did he call to deal with that?

Strange that the Congressional Black Caucus and the NAACP is not
focusing on the Mayor's et al role rather than critize rescue efforts.

The Mayor *does* bear ultimate responsibility.

And when you sit down and think of it, why has other towns and cities
of LA not come to their aid?
When a hurricane is inbound, school gyms etc become shelters.
Surely they do have them throughout LA schools?

CAth
m***@yahoo.com
2005-09-03 17:41:02 UTC
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Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 23:09:30 +1200, grumpyoldhori
Post by grumpyoldhori
Rudy Can
Post by Rudy Canoza
There is no connection between Iraq and this disaster aftermath.
(<sarcasm>Still, I wonder why Iraq came up?</sarcasm>) If anything Bush has
been withholding maintaining the proper troop levels in *Iraq*. There's plenty
to be deployed in this emergency, as is being done. Not enough? Sorry but some
areas aren't even reachable. And tens of thousands in overcrowded emergency
living areas apparently require more than troops. Strange how leftists who
despise the American military and National Guard types think more armed
personel are needed. Whine all you like but these are still the only people
getting it done there, along with most notably Red Cross and Salvation Army.
Rudy,no one is pointing the finger at the National Guard,or the USA
military,they follow orders.
But there seems to be a lack of leadership all round,at city,
state and national level.
Those pictures of city buses,which were not used is a
disgrace.
grumpy
I don't know how much you guys receive
More informed than you are obviously.
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
but there is
[sic!]
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
growing questions
being voiced on tv over here about the Mayor and his council's role in
all this.
So THAT's the spin with which Washington is trying to cover its ass!
Somethin' tells moi that the American people might not buy this one so
easily.
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
The power structure and police department are predominately black.
They are to blame for the lack of federal government response, are
they? They have wasted billions of dollars on an illegal outrage in
Iraq, have they?
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
Example: the Mayor issued a proclomation for a mandatory evacuation.
He knows the city is around 70% black and in poverty.
But what shots did he call to deal with that?
Strange that the Congressional Black Caucus and the NAACP is not
focusing on the Mayor's et al role rather than critize rescue efforts.
The Mayor *does* bear ultimate responsibility.
You've posted some idiotic things on this newsgroup. I wonder if
anything has surpassed this one, however.
t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
2005-09-03 18:20:59 UTC
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Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 23:09:30 +1200, grumpyoldhori
Post by grumpyoldhori
Rudy Can
Post by Rudy Canoza
There is no connection between Iraq and this disaster aftermath.
(<sarcasm>Still, I wonder why Iraq came up?</sarcasm>) If anything Bush has
been withholding maintaining the proper troop levels in *Iraq*. There's plenty
to be deployed in this emergency, as is being done. Not enough? Sorry but some
areas aren't even reachable. And tens of thousands in overcrowded emergency
living areas apparently require more than troops. Strange how leftists who
despise the American military and National Guard types think more armed
personel are needed. Whine all you like but these are still the only people
getting it done there, along with most notably Red Cross and Salvation Army.
Rudy,no one is pointing the finger at the National Guard,or the USA
military,they follow orders.
But there seems to be a lack of leadership all round,at city,
state and national level.
Those pictures of city buses,which were not used is a
disgrace.
grumpy
I don't know how much you guys receive
More informed than you are obviously.
Oh great words from the Mouth of the South.
Fucking more informed than you will ever be.
Post by m***@yahoo.com
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
but there is
[sic!]
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
growing questions
being voiced on tv over here about the Mayor and his council's role in
all this.
So THAT's the spin with which Washington is trying to cover its ass!
Somethin' tells moi that the American people might not buy this one so
easily.
Perhaps you might like to read the proclomation I posted elsewhere -
it doesn't take too much to realise the Mayor bears responsibility for
a large percentage of what happened.
Post by m***@yahoo.com
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
The power structure and police department are predominately black.
They are to blame for the lack of federal government response, are
they? They have wasted billions of dollars on an illegal outrage in
Iraq, have they?
Yawn....
Post by m***@yahoo.com
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
Example: the Mayor issued a proclomation for a mandatory evacuation.
He knows the city is around 70% black and in poverty.
But what shots did he call to deal with that?
One minute you say you are more informed than me then this?
Tut tut....
Post by m***@yahoo.com
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
Strange that the Congressional Black Caucus and the NAACP is not
focusing on the Mayor's et al role rather than critize rescue efforts.
The Mayor *does* bear ultimate responsibility.
You've posted some idiotic things on this newsgroup. I wonder if
anything has surpassed this one, however.
Not as idiotic as you have posted.

The world must be wonderful through such small slanty eyes as you
have.

Cath
Bling-Bling
2005-09-04 02:26:48 UTC
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The world must be wonderful through such small slanty eyes as you
have.
Is that a racial slur?


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Kerry
2005-09-03 22:34:35 UTC
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Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 23:09:30 +1200, grumpyoldhori
Post by grumpyoldhori
Rudy Can
Post by Rudy Canoza
There is no connection between Iraq and this disaster aftermath.
(<sarcasm>Still, I wonder why Iraq came up?</sarcasm>) If anything Bush has
been withholding maintaining the proper troop levels in *Iraq*. There's plenty
to be deployed in this emergency, as is being done. Not enough? Sorry but some
areas aren't even reachable. And tens of thousands in overcrowded emergency
living areas apparently require more than troops. Strange how leftists who
despise the American military and National Guard types think more armed
personel are needed. Whine all you like but these are still the only people
getting it done there, along with most notably Red Cross and Salvation Army.
Rudy,no one is pointing the finger at the National Guard,or the USA
military,they follow orders.
But there seems to be a lack of leadership all round,at city,
state and national level.
Those pictures of city buses,which were not used is a
disgrace.
grumpy
I don't know how much you guys receive
More informed than you are obviously.
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
but there is
[sic!]
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
growing questions
being voiced on tv over here about the Mayor and his council's role in
all this.
So THAT's the spin with which Washington is trying to cover its ass!
Somethin' tells moi that the American people might not buy this one so
easily.
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
The power structure and police department are predominately black.
They are to blame for the lack of federal government response, are
they? They have wasted billions of dollars on an illegal outrage in
Iraq, have they?
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
Example: the Mayor issued a proclomation for a mandatory evacuation.
He knows the city is around 70% black and in poverty.
But what shots did he call to deal with that?
Strange that the Congressional Black Caucus and the NAACP is not
focusing on the Mayor's et al role rather than critize rescue efforts.
The Mayor *does* bear ultimate responsibility.
You've posted some idiotic things on this newsgroup. I wonder if
anything has surpassed this one, however.
She's well lubricated tonight
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t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
2005-09-03 23:30:54 UTC
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Post by Kerry
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Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 23:09:30 +1200, grumpyoldhori
Post by grumpyoldhori
Rudy Can
Post by Rudy Canoza
There is no connection between Iraq and this disaster aftermath.
(<sarcasm>Still, I wonder why Iraq came up?</sarcasm>) If anything Bush has
been withholding maintaining the proper troop levels in *Iraq*. There's plenty
to be deployed in this emergency, as is being done. Not enough? Sorry but some
areas aren't even reachable. And tens of thousands in overcrowded emergency
living areas apparently require more than troops. Strange how leftists who
despise the American military and National Guard types think more armed
personel are needed. Whine all you like but these are still the only people
getting it done there, along with most notably Red Cross and Salvation Army.
Rudy,no one is pointing the finger at the National Guard,or the USA
military,they follow orders.
But there seems to be a lack of leadership all round,at city,
state and national level.
Those pictures of city buses,which were not used is a
disgrace.
grumpy
I don't know how much you guys receive
More informed than you are obviously.
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
but there is
[sic!]
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
growing questions
being voiced on tv over here about the Mayor and his council's role in
all this.
So THAT's the spin with which Washington is trying to cover its ass!
Somethin' tells moi that the American people might not buy this one so
easily.
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
The power structure and police department are predominately black.
They are to blame for the lack of federal government response, are
they? They have wasted billions of dollars on an illegal outrage in
Iraq, have they?
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
Example: the Mayor issued a proclomation for a mandatory evacuation.
He knows the city is around 70% black and in poverty.
But what shots did he call to deal with that?
Strange that the Congressional Black Caucus and the NAACP is not
focusing on the Mayor's et al role rather than critize rescue efforts.
The Mayor *does* bear ultimate responsibility.
You've posted some idiotic things on this newsgroup. I wonder if
anything has surpassed this one, however.
She's well lubricated tonight
What a funny reply from a professional who does not know me.

Oh btw Kerry, I do NOT drink alcohol nor smoke anything.

Comprende si?

Cath
t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
2005-09-03 23:32:37 UTC
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Post by m***@yahoo.com
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 23:09:30 +1200, grumpyoldhori
Post by grumpyoldhori
Rudy Can
Post by Rudy Canoza
There is no connection between Iraq and this disaster aftermath.
(<sarcasm>Still, I wonder why Iraq came up?</sarcasm>) If anything Bush has
been withholding maintaining the proper troop levels in *Iraq*. There's plenty
to be deployed in this emergency, as is being done. Not enough? Sorry but some
areas aren't even reachable. And tens of thousands in overcrowded emergency
living areas apparently require more than troops. Strange how leftists who
despise the American military and National Guard types think more armed
personel are needed. Whine all you like but these are still the only people
getting it done there, along with most notably Red Cross and Salvation Army.
Rudy,no one is pointing the finger at the National Guard,or the USA
military,they follow orders.
But there seems to be a lack of leadership all round,at city,
state and national level.
Those pictures of city buses,which were not used is a
disgrace.
grumpy
I don't know how much you guys receive
More informed than you are obviously.
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
but there is
[sic!]
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
growing questions
being voiced on tv over here about the Mayor and his council's role in
all this.
So THAT's the spin with which Washington is trying to cover its ass!
Somethin' tells moi that the American people might not buy this one so
easily.
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
The power structure and police department are predominately black.
They are to blame for the lack of federal government response, are
they? They have wasted billions of dollars on an illegal outrage in
Iraq, have they?
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
Example: the Mayor issued a proclomation for a mandatory evacuation.
He knows the city is around 70% black and in poverty.
But what shots did he call to deal with that?
Strange that the Congressional Black Caucus and the NAACP is not
focusing on the Mayor's et al role rather than critize rescue efforts.
The Mayor *does* bear ultimate responsibility.
You've posted some idiotic things on this newsgroup. I wonder if
anything has surpassed this one, however.
Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't there looting following floods in
NZ this past year or so?

If correct, what gives eh?
Did you get up on your soapbox and say boo?
Probably not.

Cath
Tilly
2005-09-04 00:24:57 UTC
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Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't there looting following floods in
NZ this past year or so?
No.
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
If correct, what gives eh?
NZers are more civilised?
--
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t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
2005-09-04 05:42:10 UTC
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Post by m***@yahoo.com
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 23:09:30 +1200, grumpyoldhori
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Post by m***@yahoo.com
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
Post by grumpyoldhori
Rudy,no one is pointing the finger at the National Guard,or the USA
military,they follow orders.
But there seems to be a lack of leadership all round,at city,
state and national level.
Those pictures of city buses,which were not used is a
disgrace.
grumpy
I don't know how much you guys receive
More informed than you are obviously.
You crack me up.
And you have the cheek to call my postings idiotic!
Post by m***@yahoo.com
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
but there is
[sic!]
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
growing questions
being voiced on tv over here about the Mayor and his council's role in
all this.
So THAT's the spin with which Washington is trying to cover its ass!
Somethin' tells moi that the American people might not buy this one so
easily.
I am not addressing what DC has done/has not done/is doing etc etc.
I am addressing a far different direct issue.
Post by m***@yahoo.com
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
The power structure and police department are predominately black.
They are to blame for the lack of federal government response, are
they? They have wasted billions of dollars on an illegal outrage in
Iraq, have they?
Trust you to have brought this into it.
But hey, what more could I have expected from you!
Post by m***@yahoo.com
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
Example: the Mayor issued a proclomation for a mandatory evacuation.
He knows the city is around 70% black and in poverty.
But what shots did he call to deal with that?
Strange that the Congressional Black Caucus and the NAACP is not
focusing on the Mayor's et al role rather than critize rescue efforts.
The Mayor *does* bear ultimate responsibility.
You've posted some idiotic things on this newsgroup. I wonder if
anything has surpassed this one, however.
Of course you never post anything that isn't pc do you....
I could well say the same about you and your postings.
Only I chose to ignore them.
You are also welcome to ignore mine.

Ok I will add more to this:
As pointed out to someone else, I found the Proclomation of the
Emergency Orders as issued by the Mayor of NO.

I have been unable to find at this time, any further call *before* the
hurricane hit.

Now, knowing NO as he does and the fact that approx. 70% of the city
is black and poor, do you know what he then did to ensure safety other
than saying 'report to the superdome [or any other shelter]?

Now with all your knowledge pray tell: did NO have any contingency
plans in force for a possible major disaster?
What were they and were they instituted; if so, why did they fail?

Surely knowing the city had a large number of people without
transportation with medical needs i.e. dialysis patients, young
children and babies etc, don't you think there would have been some
plan to move them out of the city and not risk their lives?

So did the Mayor of NO ask the Gov. of LA for pre-hurricane
assistance? Especially in the area of evacuating the sick,
elderly and young ones first?

If a request was made, do you know what the outcome of it was. Well
obviously nothing was done was it!

How many days notice did he have to ask for assistance to be set up if
it was needed? One or two - like heck. As you know so much, then you
are very aware that even before Katrina hit Florida the models were
indicating it would go in between LA and FL.

When it hadn't made the predicted northerly turn when expected, it
looked like it could be heading our way. And oh, believe me there
were plenty of eyes on that and plans for evacuations.

This was a big inbound hurricane by any means.
Had it hit here, we've already seen the models of what areas would
have been flooded etc.

So the questions will remain until a later date of 'who failed' and at
this point in time, I am not alone in the thinking that the Mayor has
to answer.

Take what I write how you will.
It's a free world.

Cath
Geoff Rait
2005-09-03 17:46:04 UTC
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Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
I don't know how much you guys receive but there is growing questions
being voiced on tv over here about the Mayor and his council's role in
all this.
The power structure and police department are predominately black.
Example: the Mayor issued a proclomation for a mandatory evacuation.
He knows the city is around 70% black and in poverty.
But what shots did he call to deal with that?
I was surprised to read that of a police force numbering 20,000, they
evacuated all but 1500.

No wonder they weren't able to maintain order.

Geoff
--
Actually, I do have spots.
Peter Metcalfe
2005-09-03 22:48:26 UTC
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Post by Geoff Rait
I was surprised to read that of a police force numbering 20,000, they
evacuated all but 1500.
No wonder they weren't able to maintain order.
You must remember that this is the police force that allowed
convicted felons to join not so long ago.

--Peter Metcalfe
Geoff Rait
2005-09-04 05:37:07 UTC
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Post by Peter Metcalfe
Post by Geoff Rait
I was surprised to read that of a police force numbering 20,000, they
evacuated all but 1500.
No wonder they weren't able to maintain order.
You must remember that this is the police force that allowed
convicted felons to join not so long ago.
Fair point; they're probably the ones who volunteered to stay behind...

Geoff
--
Actually, I do have spots.
Bling-Bling
2005-09-04 02:20:27 UTC
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Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
I don't know how much you guys receive but there is growing questions
being voiced on tv over here about the Mayor and his council's role in
all this.
The power structure and police department are predominately black.
So what!
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
Example: the Mayor issued a proclomation for a mandatory evacuation.
He knows the city is around 70% black and in poverty.
But what shots did he call to deal with that?
Surely skin colour and wealth is irrelevant in a time of civil emergency.
(Irrelevant at any time IMHO.)
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
Strange that the Congressional Black Caucus and the NAACP is not
focusing on the Mayor's et al role rather than critize rescue efforts.
What criticism?
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
The Mayor *does* bear ultimate responsibility.
And when you sit down and think of it, why has other towns and cities
of LA not come to their aid?
Wouldn't that cost those capitalistic towns and cities lots of money?
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
When a hurricane is inbound, school gyms etc become shelters.
Surely they do have them throughout LA schools?
Wouldn't that cost those bulk-funded schools money?

The better question is why has not Dubbya declared a state of civil
emergency and sent in "federal" resources?


Bling Bling
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t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
2005-09-04 05:20:40 UTC
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Post by Bling-Bling
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
I don't know how much you guys receive but there is growing questions
being voiced on tv over here about the Mayor and his council's role in
all this.
The power structure and police department are predominately black.
So what!
If you have bothered to read - oh fuck your a waste of time as you'd
never get it if I explained it again.
Post by Bling-Bling
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
Example: the Mayor issued a proclomation for a mandatory evacuation.
He knows the city is around 70% black and in poverty.
But what shots did he call to deal with that?
Surely skin colour and wealth is irrelevant in a time of civil emergency.
(Irrelevant at any time IMHO.)
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
Strange that the Congressional Black Caucus and the NAACP is not
focusing on the Mayor's et al role rather than critize rescue efforts.
What criticism?
You haven't heard?
Gosh that surprises me as others here reckon they are getting more
info than I am.....
Post by Bling-Bling
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
The Mayor *does* bear ultimate responsibility.
And when you sit down and think of it, why has other towns and cities
of LA not come to their aid?
Wouldn't that cost those capitalistic towns and cities lots of money?
Yawn.
Post by Bling-Bling
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
When a hurricane is inbound, school gyms etc become shelters.
Surely they do have them throughout LA schools?
Wouldn't that cost those bulk-funded schools money?
Bulk funded?
Explain please.

It may well be that the same system that exists in TX applies i.e.
most funding comes from the ISD tax % on property taxes.
Post by Bling-Bling
The better question is why has not Dubbya declared a state of civil
emergency and sent in "federal" resources?
Bling Bling
Are you *really* as thick as you portray by your posting?

Read the Proclomation of Emergency Orders I posted THEN start asking
questions - not of me but of the NO May et al.

Please whilst your at it, read up on the ethinticity of NO, the
corruption etc etc...

BTW the first response is at the hands of the local authorities.

CAth
Bling-Bling
2005-09-04 06:21:53 UTC
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Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
Post by Bling-Bling
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
I don't know how much you guys receive but there is growing questions
being voiced on tv over here about the Mayor and his council's role in
all this.
The power structure and police department are predominately black.
So what!
If you have bothered to read - oh fuck your a waste of time as you'd
never get it if I explained it again.
What has skin colour got to do with this?

Surely skin colour and wealth is irrelevant in a time of civil emergency.
(Irrelevant at any time IMHO.)
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
Post by Bling-Bling
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
Strange that the Congressional Black Caucus and the NAACP is not
focusing on the Mayor's et al role rather than critize rescue efforts.
What criticism?
You haven't heard?
Gosh that surprises me as others here reckon they are getting more
info than I am.....
What criticism?


Bling Bling
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Matty F
2005-09-04 12:16:02 UTC
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Post by Bling-Bling
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
The Mayor *does* bear ultimate responsibility.
And when you sit down and think of it, why has other towns and cities
of LA not come to their aid?
Wouldn't that cost those capitalistic towns and cities lots of money?
The US is the land of the Free Market. The Invisible Hand will
help New Orleans. Eventually.
Post by Bling-Bling
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
When a hurricane is inbound, school gyms etc become shelters.
Surely they do have them throughout LA schools?
Wouldn't that cost those bulk-funded schools money?
The better question is why has not Dubbya declared a state of civil
emergency and sent in "federal" resources?
Wouldn't that be a communist kind of thing to do, helping people
without them paying for it? Why should other taxpayers have to
pay for that? The inhabitants of New Orleans should have insured
their houses so that they can have them rebuilt at no cost to
taxpayers. Surely there is an insurance company somewhere that
has a spare $50 billion without going insolvent.
grumpyoldhori
2005-09-04 02:48:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
I don't know how much you guys receive but there is growing questions
being voiced on tv over here about the Mayor and his council's role in
all this.
The power structure and police department are predominately black.
Example: the Mayor issued a proclomation for a mandatory evacuation.
He knows the city is around 70% black and in poverty.
But what shots did he call to deal with that?
Strange that the Congressional Black Caucus and the NAACP is not
focusing on the Mayor's et al role rather than critize rescue efforts.
The Mayor *does* bear ultimate responsibility.
And when you sit down and think of it, why has other towns and cities
of LA not come to their aid?
When a hurricane is inbound, school gyms etc become shelters.
Surely they do have them throughout LA schools?
Cath,what has colour to do with it,from all accounts the General
in charge of the military,is a bad tempered,demanding sod,who
happens to be black.

That mayor and the Governor of the state are bloody useless,
if you have a city in the hurricane zone,at some stage
you will be hit.

Yes,why were school gyms not used,why not have supplies
in place for when you have to evacuate.

Why take the people so far away,when there will be jobs
available,in the clean up.
grumpy
t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
2005-09-04 05:41:17 UTC
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 14:48:52 +1200, grumpyoldhori
Post by grumpyoldhori
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
I don't know how much you guys receive but there is growing questions
being voiced on tv over here about the Mayor and his council's role in
all this.
The power structure and police department are predominately black.
Example: the Mayor issued a proclomation for a mandatory evacuation.
He knows the city is around 70% black and in poverty.
But what shots did he call to deal with that?
Strange that the Congressional Black Caucus and the NAACP is not
focusing on the Mayor's et al role rather than critize rescue efforts.
The Mayor *does* bear ultimate responsibility.
And when you sit down and think of it, why has other towns and cities
of LA not come to their aid?
When a hurricane is inbound, school gyms etc become shelters.
Surely they do have them throughout LA schools?
Cath,what has colour to do with it,from all accounts the General
in charge of the military,is a bad tempered,demanding sod,who
happens to be black.
Go back through the history of NO particularly in the past twenty odd
years.
Post by grumpyoldhori
That mayor and the Governor of the state are bloody useless,
if you have a city in the hurricane zone,at some stage
you will be hit.
Yes,why were school gyms not used,why not have supplies
in place for when you have to evacuate.
Exactly!
This is my bitch - I for one would love to know what went wrong if
there wasn't anything to go wrong in the first place i.e. contingency
plans etc [this is addressed elsewhere].
Post by grumpyoldhori
Why take the people so far away,when there will be jobs
available,in the clean up.
grumpy
It is my guess that you will see an influx of illegals looking for
work.
They tend to turn up when there's building.
Just go park near a big box store [Home Depot/Lowe's] etc, or certain
street corners.
They will be the ones who will work in whatever weather for even less
than legal minimum wage.

Illegals will set up shacks with just pieces of cardboard and a tarp.
I know from living in CA and still reading CA media online, it's an
on-going process - they tear a shanty town down and another springs up
somewhere else.

They will live in conditions that do not include having electricity
and especially air-conditioning!

President Fox of Mexico recently made a comment about illegals doing
the work that blacks don't want to do.

Even Nation of Islam leader, quote:
Mexican President Vicente Fox was right to say that Mexican immigrants
take jobs "that not even blacks want."
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/08/15/farrakhan.mexico.ap/

Even though Fox apologised later on, it is still very much the truth
and something that is said time and time again here!

You go through El Centro, CA during the very early am hours and see
just which race is out there waiting to be bussed to the fields to
work in the hot blazing sun - hispanics and maybe a few whities.
I could take you to many corners in Southern California [San Diego to
Los Angeles including within a half mile from Disneyland] and show you
the many hispanics waiting for day work.

And believe me, there are a huge number here in Texas - to the point
where Houston is going to open a centre so they won't hang out on
street corners!

And I agree, why take them so far!
The oh and I have had a discussion on this - my reckoning is if they
set up tent cities in LA, there will only be a bitch because they
don't have airconditioning!
But more realistically, there are no services i.e. sewerage systems,
hospitals, schools etc.

I was listening to Texas News tonight regarding those in Houston.
Logistically Houston alone has one **** huge nightmare on their hands
sorting out the kids who need to go to school, their grades, bussing,
school lunches, books, text books etc etc...
And that's just the kids.

Then you have to start with the adults who did not get out with their
Social Security cards, welfare whatevers etc - and hey, TX computers
aren't set up with that info LOL....

There is still a big fear of diseases that take days-weeks to erupt.
Long term, there is the mental health issues that will erupt.
And again, I harp back to why did it have to happen!
Like many, I want to see answers and more so, accountability.
And I am freaking sick and tired about hearing what Bush didn't do....
the responsibility of first response lays squarely with the local
authorities period.

People should not have lost their lives, and everything else the way
they did. Because of????? [yet to be revealed].

Realistically you have to wonder what the huge increase is doing to
San Anton's, Houston's and Dallas systems.
More so, what will be the long term effects - already Dallas PD is
having to station officers around the venue for control purposes.
So that's x number of officers not on 'the beat'.

As for taking so many away when they should be nearer!
ALL able bodied men and women receiving unemployment etc should be
taken back to LA at the appropriate time to assist in the cleanup.
No ifs and no buts.
[Look at what our grandparents/parents did to put food on the table
during the Great Depression - even if it meant having to work away
form home for long periods].

I look at it in a much different angle than many in NZ have but that
comes from my training in dealing with emergencies.
I was fortunate to be doing my internship with Continental Airlines
Sales Dept at the time of the LA riots in 1992.
I was just utterly amazed at the plans LAX had that could be put into
action at any given moment; ditto for the airline!
So yes, I do see things from a different angle.

We hopefully all make plans that we teach our children i.e.for them to
escape during a house fire; the principles are the same - safe escape
[but on a larger scale]. Prepare is the word!

I don't know if the NZ Red Cross still runs it but one course I highly
recommend if they do, is their Community Health & Hygiene.


Cath
Bling-Bling
2005-09-03 10:30:42 UTC
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Post by Tilly
"Young men have not only been looting with impunity but firing on National
Guardsmen. And the authorities still have no idea how many people may have
died," London's conservative Daily Telegraph said.
<snip>
Post by Tilly
"A modern city that sinks under the waters and into anarchy is a cruel
spectacle for an absolute champion of security like (US President George W)
Bush, who incidentally seems out of his depth," it said.
An apparent lack of preparation for the crisis staggered many papers.
"What really stands out is the clear insufficient investment and contingency
measures to protect the population of the Mississippi Delta from a forecast
disaster," the paper said.
<snip>
Post by Tilly
In the United States, newspapers asked the same questions.
"How could the government have been so unready for a crisis that was so
widely predicted?" asked The Washington Post, adding that experts had
"issued repeated warnings for years about the city's unique topography and
vulnerability."
Only in America!


Bling Bling
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T A R T
2005-09-03 16:40:55 UTC
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On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:29:37 +1200, "Tilly"
Post by Tilly
Paris - The world's press reacted with disbelief on Friday to mayhem
overrunning the hurricane disaster zone in the United States, describing the
chaos as reminiscent of a Third World crisis and as a humiliating episode
for the superpower.
Worse still, Castro has offered to send 1100 doctors and 26 tonnes of
medical equipment.



T
Bling-Bling
2005-09-04 02:09:41 UTC
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Post by T A R T
Worse still, Castro has offered to send 1100 doctors and 26 tonnes of
medical equipment.
Nice of him to do that. :o)


Bling Bling
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t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
2005-09-03 17:19:29 UTC
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On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:29:37 +1200, "Tilly"
<***@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
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Post by Tilly
Papers highlighted the gap between rich and poor unmasked by the looting and
the fact that the most impoverished took the brunt of the disaster
Look the same happens in many countries.
Everyone here and in NZ has the same educational opportunities to
better themselves.
But many don't.
They end up in low paying jobs getting no-where in life then blaming
everyone else for their situation.
Or on welfare.
Many maybe too lazy to work.

End of story.

Cath
m***@yahoo.com
2005-09-03 18:04:24 UTC
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Post by T A R T
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:29:37 +1200, "Tilly"
[msge snipped]
Post by Tilly
Papers highlighted the gap between rich and poor unmasked by the looting and
the fact that the most impoverished took the brunt of the disaster
Look the same happens in many countries.
Everyone here and in NZ has the same educational opportunities to
better themselves.
But many don't.
They end up in low paying jobs getting no-where in life then blaming
everyone else for their situation.
Or on welfare.
Many maybe too lazy to work.
Your lack of understanding is mached only by your lack of basic
humanity and compassion.
Post by T A R T
End of story.
Cath
t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
2005-09-03 18:22:41 UTC
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Post by m***@yahoo.com
Post by T A R T
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:29:37 +1200, "Tilly"
[msge snipped]
Post by Tilly
Papers highlighted the gap between rich and poor unmasked by the looting and
the fact that the most impoverished took the brunt of the disaster
Look the same happens in many countries.
Everyone here and in NZ has the same educational opportunities to
better themselves.
But many don't.
They end up in low paying jobs getting no-where in life then blaming
everyone else for their situation.
Or on welfare.
Many maybe too lazy to work.
Your lack of understanding is mached only by your lack of basic
humanity and compassion.
Post by T A R T
End of story.
Cath
When, where, and for how long have you lived in the US and in
particular in predominately black communites?

Got you beat there arsehole.

I see it as it is - the facts and the REALITY.

Get yourself some new glasses as well as a brain.

Cath
m***@yahoo.com
2005-09-03 23:01:32 UTC
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Post by T A R T
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Post by Tilly
Papers highlighted the gap between rich and poor unmasked by the looting and
the fact that the most impoverished took the brunt of the disaster
Look the same happens in many countries.
Everyone here and in NZ has the same educational opportunities to
better themselves.
But many don't.
They end up in low paying jobs getting no-where in life then blaming
everyone else for their situation.
Or on welfare.
Many maybe too lazy to work.
Your lack of understanding is mached only by your lack of basic
humanity and compassion.
Post by T A R T
End of story.
Cath
When, where, and for how long have you lived in the US and in
particular in predominately black communites?
I have yet to have the pleasure. One of these days...
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
Got you beat there arsehole.
Well, no you haven't. I've read much more and studied much more about
America than almost any native American you know, Cath.

Or are you saying that an ignorant fat dope like Rush Limbaugh knows
more than a foreigner just because he's waddled his useless fat ass
over American soil for fifty-something years?
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
I see it as it is - the facts and the REALITY.
Oh, I'm sure you see the facts, all right. The question is whether
your cruel and cartoonish "interpretation" of those facts is reality or
something else.
Redbaiter
2005-09-03 23:39:23 UTC
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Well, no you haven't. I've read much more and studied much more about
America than almost any native American you know, Cath.
You're an academic Mowwisey, and you don't know sweet fuck
all...
t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
2005-09-03 23:43:40 UTC
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Post by m***@yahoo.com
Post by T A R T
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:29:37 +1200, "Tilly"
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Post by Tilly
Papers highlighted the gap between rich and poor unmasked by the looting and
the fact that the most impoverished took the brunt of the disaster
Look the same happens in many countries.
Everyone here and in NZ has the same educational opportunities to
better themselves.
But many don't.
They end up in low paying jobs getting no-where in life then blaming
everyone else for their situation.
Or on welfare.
Many maybe too lazy to work.
Your lack of understanding is mached only by your lack of basic
humanity and compassion.
Post by T A R T
End of story.
Cath
When, where, and for how long have you lived in the US and in
particular in predominately black communites?
I have yet to have the pleasure. One of these days...
Why haven't you 'had the pleasure' earlier?
What's stopping ya?
Or are you hoping to win a greencard in the lotto as you cannot get in
any other way?
Post by m***@yahoo.com
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
Got you beat there arsehole.
Well, no you haven't. I've read much more and studied much more about
America than almost any native American you know, Cath.
Read and studied does not account to actually living in amongst.
You have admitted that you have not lived here.

As for studying and read much more than most any native American.
Yeah bullshit.
Reading doesn't make you an expert on any American matter period.

What did you say your degree was in?
Post by m***@yahoo.com
Or are you saying that an ignorant fat dope like Rush Limbaugh knows
more than a foreigner just because he's waddled his useless fat ass
over American soil for fifty-something years?
I don't bother with Rush Limbaugh.
Next one.
Post by m***@yahoo.com
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
I see it as it is - the facts and the REALITY.
Oh, I'm sure you see the facts, all right. The question is whether
your cruel and cartoonish "interpretation" of those facts is reality or
something else.
Call it what you like.
Look at some more hard cold facts about the days prior to the
hurricane hit NO. I take it you were up with the play even before
it hit Florida and what was being forcast as to the most likely track
which btw, did include LA. That way days out - more than enough
time for the authorities to get forward planning up and running 'just
in case'.

But then you are an expert aren't you.

Cath
Bling-Bling
2005-09-04 02:41:35 UTC
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Well, no you haven't. I've read much more and studied much more about
America than almost any native American you know, Cath.
Read and studied does not account to actually living in amongst.
You have admitted that you have not lived here.
Do you think the same of the "experts" used by propag... err,
private broadcasting corporations such as CNN?


Bling Bling
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t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
2005-09-04 04:30:33 UTC
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Well, no you haven't. I've read much more and studied much more about
America than almost any native American you know, Cath.
Read and studied does not account to actually living in amongst.
You have admitted that you have not lived here.
Do you think the same of the "experts" used by propag... err,
private broadcasting corporations such as CNN?
Bling Bling
About the level of posting I have come to expect from you dingabling.

Cath
Bling-Bling
2005-09-04 06:24:13 UTC
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Well, no you haven't. I've read much more and studied much more about
America than almost any native American you know, Cath.
Read and studied does not account to actually living in amongst.
You have admitted that you have not lived here.
Do you think the same of the "experts" used by propag... err,
private broadcasting corporations such as CNN?
About the level of posting I have come to expect from you dingabling.
Kindly address the point and not attack the person.

Do you think the same of the "experts" used by propag... err, private
broadcasting corporations such as CNN?


Bling Bling
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t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
2005-09-05 04:39:29 UTC
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Well, no you haven't. I've read much more and studied much more about
America than almost any native American you know, Cath.
Read and studied does not account to actually living in amongst.
You have admitted that you have not lived here.
Do you think the same of the "experts" used by propag... err,
private broadcasting corporations such as CNN?
About the level of posting I have come to expect from you dingabling.
Kindly address the point and not attack the person.
Oh kindly get off your high horse and get a life!
Of course you have NEVET not attacked a person?
Post by Bling-Bling
Do you think the same of the "experts" used by propag... err, private
broadcasting corporations such as CNN?
Bling Bling
Cath
Bling-Bling
2005-09-05 06:13:12 UTC
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Well, no you haven't. I've read much more and studied much more about
America than almost any native American you know, Cath.
Read and studied does not account to actually living in amongst.
You have admitted that you have not lived here.
Do you think the same of the "experts" used by propag... err,
private broadcasting corporations such as CNN?
About the level of posting I have come to expect from you dingabling.
Kindly address the point and not attack the person.
Oh kindly get off your high horse and get a life!
Of course you have NEVET not attacked a person?
Post by Bling-Bling
Do you think the same of the "experts" used by propag... err, private
broadcasting corporations such as CNN?
Kindly address the point.

Do you think the same of the "experts" used by propag... err, private
broadcasting corporations such as CNN?


Bling Bling
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t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
2005-09-05 16:10:30 UTC
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Well, no you haven't. I've read much more and studied much more about
America than almost any native American you know, Cath.
Read and studied does not account to actually living in amongst.
You have admitted that you have not lived here.
Do you think the same of the "experts" used by propag... err,
private broadcasting corporations such as CNN?
About the level of posting I have come to expect from you dingabling.
Kindly address the point and not attack the person.
Oh kindly get off your high horse and get a life!
Of course you have NEVET not attacked a person?
Post by Bling-Bling
Do you think the same of the "experts" used by propag... err, private
broadcasting corporations such as CNN?
Kindly address the point.
Do you think the same of the "experts" used by propag... err, private
broadcasting corporations such as CNN?
Bling Bling
Jeeze you really are a dingabling of the first degree aren't you!

Propag.... why don't you say what really was on your mind?

Cath
Bling-Bling
2005-09-04 02:38:13 UTC
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Or are you saying that an ignorant fat dope like Rush Limbaugh knows
more than a foreigner just because he's waddled his useless fat ass
over American soil for fifty-something years?
Don't you mean "useless fat arse"?

After all, an "ass" is an animal.

Or does RL own a fat ass?


Bling Bling
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m***@yahoo.com
2005-09-05 19:04:15 UTC
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Post by m***@yahoo.com
Or are you saying that an ignorant fat dope like Rush Limbaugh knows
more than a foreigner just because he's waddled his useless fat ass
over American soil for fifty-something years?
Don't you mean "useless fat arse"?
I do indeed.
Post by Bling-Bling
After all, an "ass" is an animal.
In the US, it's the usual way they spell "arse".
Post by Bling-Bling
Or does RL own a fat ass?
He might well have used one to carry his haul of pills during one of
his Mexican drug sorties.
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Bling Bling
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Roger_Nickel
2005-09-03 23:57:14 UTC
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On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:29:37 +1200, "Tilly"
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Post by Tilly
Papers highlighted the gap between rich and poor unmasked by the looting and
the fact that the most impoverished took the brunt of the disaster
Look the same happens in many countries.
Everyone here and in NZ has the same educational opportunities to
better themselves.
But many don't.
They end up in low paying jobs getting no-where in life then blaming
everyone else for their situation.
Or on welfare.
Many maybe too lazy to work.
End of story.
Cath
This snippet from the web :-

Dutch viewer Frank Tiggelaar writes:

There was a striking dicrepancy between the CNN International
report on the Bush visit to the New Orleans disaster zone,
yesterday, and reports of the same event by German TV.

ZDF News reported that the president's visit was a completely
staged event. Their crew witnessed how the open air food
distribution point Bush visited in front of the cameras was torn
down immediately after the president and the herd of 'news people'
had left and that others which were allegedly being set up were
abandoned at the same time.

The people in the area were once again left to fend for
themselves, said ZDF.
Sonn
2005-09-04 00:48:03 UTC
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On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:29:37 +1200, "Tilly"
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Post by Tilly
Papers highlighted the gap between rich and poor unmasked by the looting and
the fact that the most impoverished took the brunt of the disaster
Look the same happens in many countries.
Everyone here and in NZ has the same educational opportunities to
better themselves.
So, having an education makes one a better person? Core, we must really be
a great nation with the level of student debt now sitting in the billions.
S.
Post by T A R T
But many don't.
They end up in low paying jobs getting no-where in life then blaming
everyone else for their situation.
Or on welfare.
Many maybe too lazy to work.
End of story.
Cath
t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
2005-09-04 04:29:26 UTC
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Post by Sonn
Post by T A R T
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:29:37 +1200, "Tilly"
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Post by Tilly
Papers highlighted the gap between rich and poor unmasked by the looting and
the fact that the most impoverished took the brunt of the disaster
Look the same happens in many countries.
Everyone here and in NZ has the same educational opportunities to
better themselves.
So, having an education makes one a better person? Core, we must really be
a great nation with the level of student debt now sitting in the billions.
S.
Yeah and my son is one of those!
So you think that students in NZ are the only ones with a student
debt?
Der......................

If you cannot figure it out how an education does not prepare one
better, then you need to go back and talk to your guidance councellor.

Cath
Post by Sonn
Post by T A R T
But many don't.
They end up in low paying jobs getting no-where in life then blaming
everyone else for their situation.
Or on welfare.
Many maybe too lazy to work.
End of story.
Cath
Sonn
2005-09-04 21:39:09 UTC
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On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:48:03 +1200, "Sonn"
Post by Sonn
Post by T A R T
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:29:37 +1200, "Tilly"
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Post by Tilly
Papers highlighted the gap between rich and poor unmasked by the looting and
the fact that the most impoverished took the brunt of the disaster
Look the same happens in many countries.
Everyone here and in NZ has the same educational opportunities to
better themselves.
So, having an education makes one a better person? Core, we must really be
a great nation with the level of student debt now sitting in the billions.
S.
Yeah and my son is one of those!
So you think that students in NZ are the only ones with a student
debt?
Der......................
You totally miss the point, don't read what isn't there. Re-read and
re-comprehend.
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
If you cannot figure it out how an education does not prepare one
better, then you need to go back and talk to your guidance councellor.
"does NOT prepare one better". Weren't you suggesting earlier that an
educational opportunities help people to better themselves. Now you're
saying it doesn't necessarily.
If I was a rude as you, I might suggest here that you go back to school.
S.
t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
2005-09-05 04:41:28 UTC
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Post by Sonn
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:48:03 +1200, "Sonn"
Post by Sonn
Post by T A R T
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:29:37 +1200, "Tilly"
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Post by Tilly
Papers highlighted the gap between rich and poor unmasked by the looting and
the fact that the most impoverished took the brunt of the disaster
Look the same happens in many countries.
Everyone here and in NZ has the same educational opportunities to
better themselves.
So, having an education makes one a better person? Core, we must really be
a great nation with the level of student debt now sitting in the billions.
S.
Yeah and my son is one of those!
So you think that students in NZ are the only ones with a student
debt?
Der......................
You totally miss the point, don't read what isn't there. Re-read and
re-comprehend.
No I did not.
Post by Sonn
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
If you cannot figure it out how an education does not prepare one
better, then you need to go back and talk to your guidance councellor.
"does NOT prepare one better". Weren't you suggesting earlier that an
educational opportunities help people to better themselves. Now you're
saying it doesn't necessarily.
If I was a rude as you, I might suggest here that you go back to school.
S.
Nah, no ** way am I going back to school perse.
I am doing what will assist in making me more
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.....

Oh yes, I am rude - you just realised that!
Jeeze, late again.
Cath
Bling-Bling
2005-09-05 06:09:55 UTC
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Nah, no ** way am I going back to school perse.
I am doing what will assist in making me more
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.....
Oh yeah - that's why you're in America - the land of the money-grubbing
and the homeless.


Bling Bling
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t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
2005-09-05 17:42:01 UTC
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Nah, no ** way am I going back to school perse.
I am doing what will assist in making me more
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.....
Oh yeah - that's why you're in America - the land of the money-grubbing
and the homeless.
Bling Bling
LOL. What is wrong with you girl?

The reason I am in the US is because I married an American whom I met
in New Zealand.

I could have if I wanted to come here on my own accord many years ago
i.e. I did have visas enabling me to work here [and I did commute
several times for short periods].

What's your excuse for being so miserable in and with life?

You don't work to make a dollar?
What do you do then, lay on your back and spread your legs to make
easy dollars?
Or are you on welfare?

Hey why shouldn't I make some money to do what I wish with?
Unlike you, I don't have mink tastes with a rabbit's purse.

The land of the money-grabbing.
It doesn't happen in New Zealand?
Take off your blinkers.
Maybe you should be called dingablingblinkaling.

No homeless in New Zealand?
Who the *** are you trying to kid?
Yourself of course.

Why don't you reach out and help those less fortunate than yourself
before you open your spout about others?

Oh that's right you walk around with you nose stuck in the air
refusing to believe that there are money grabbing people/corporations
and homeless in New Zealand.

And who believes that watching CNN et al is gospel.

Hey dingabling, I would rather watch than locally broadcast 24/7
regional wx forcast; the 24/7 wx channel with it's storm coverage at
10 to and local coverages on the 8's; plus the local channels for
updates and coverage of any local condition.
Not to mention the NOAA radio when conditions arise.

What do you do?
Oh that's right, watch CNN etc for your local forecast LOL...

Hey why is it you bother watching any US channels you receive then?
No better source for gathering prop.....

Cath
t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
2005-09-05 17:58:55 UTC
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Nah, no ** way am I going back to school perse.
I am doing what will assist in making me more
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.....
Oh yeah - that's why you're in America - the land of the money-grubbing
and the homeless.
Bling Bling
And to boot dingabling.

Did you not have or do you have a student loan?
Or did you have parent/s pay for you.
Or even maybe a sugar daddy or two....

Or did your education stop at high school level?
Obviously it did otherwise you know that more often than not, you have
to spend some money.

It may well turn out that I may have to fly to Canada to sit my
examination for this course - at my expense of course not to mention
the cost of the course to begin with.

Of course you not having any educational debt in your life you will be
unable to understand that like others, I do want some return for my
efforts not to mention outlay.

Them's the breaks but hey, if I didn't want to do it in the first
place, I would have taken it on; nor would I have invested.

Pity you have been unable to invest time and money into something
worthwhile.

Cath
t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
2005-09-05 19:00:55 UTC
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Nah, no ** way am I going back to school perse.
I am doing what will assist in making me more
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.....
Oh yeah - that's why you're in America - the land of the money-grubbing
and the homeless.
Bling Bling
Oh look, NZ's Tenon may stand to profit from the US's Hurricane
Katrina.

How disgraceful of the NZ company eh.

And then there's that blanket making company that is exporting to
Ceaser's Palace in Las Vegas.

Can't have that either can we!


Cath

Kerry
2005-09-05 12:34:30 UTC
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Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
Yeah and my son is one of those!
So you think that students in NZ are the only ones with a student
debt?
Der......................
You totally miss the point, don't read what isn't there. Re-read and
re-comprehend.
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
If you cannot figure it out how an education does not prepare one
better, then you need to go back and talk to your guidance councellor.
"does NOT prepare one better". Weren't you suggesting earlier that an
educational opportunities help people to better themselves. Now you're
saying it doesn't necessarily.
If I was a rude as you, I might suggest here that you go back to school.
S.
Just bear in mind...She's not bright
--
Having problems getting an appointment with your GP? Simply make an
appointment in advance for every day of your life, and if you feel well that
day just ring up to cancel.
t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
2005-09-05 16:12:36 UTC
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Post by Sonn
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
Yeah and my son is one of those!
So you think that students in NZ are the only ones with a student
debt?
Der......................
You totally miss the point, don't read what isn't there. Re-read and
re-comprehend.
Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
If you cannot figure it out how an education does not prepare one
better, then you need to go back and talk to your guidance councellor.
"does NOT prepare one better". Weren't you suggesting earlier that an
educational opportunities help people to better themselves. Now you're
saying it doesn't necessarily.
If I was a rude as you, I might suggest here that you go back to school.
S.
Just bear in mind...She's not bright
Oh another personal attack.

Bring it on.

You think you are above us all Kerry.

Well you are not...

Oh that's right, you killfiled me and the best you can do is wait
until someone else makes a reply.

Der. Bloody bright bitch aren't you...
Can't face the music or the dance.
Cath
Bling-Bling
2005-09-04 02:34:20 UTC
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Look the same happens in many countries.
Everyone here and in NZ has the same educational opportunities to
better themselves.
But many don't.
They end up in low paying jobs getting no-where in life then blaming
everyone else for their situation.
Or on welfare.
Many maybe too lazy to work.
End of story.
You're losing your Kiwi outlook and are becoming infected with that
American bullshit "freedom" philosophy.


Bling Bling
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t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
2005-09-04 04:27:38 UTC
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Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
Look the same happens in many countries.
Everyone here and in NZ has the same educational opportunities to
better themselves.
But many don't.
They end up in low paying jobs getting no-where in life then blaming
everyone else for their situation.
Or on welfare.
Many maybe too lazy to work.
End of story.
You're losing your Kiwi outlook and are becoming infected with that
American bullshit "freedom" philosophy.
Bling Bling
Dingabling. It's about time you opened your eyes to what happens in
NZ.

Stop fooling yourself that it doesn't.
YOu are the one who is 'infected' - simply by your inability to think
outside the small picture.


Cath
BTMO
2005-09-04 03:20:31 UTC
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You're losing your Kiwi outlook and are becoming infected with that
American bullshit "freedom" philosophy.
What is the issue with freedom?
t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
2005-09-05 16:20:29 UTC
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Post by Bling-Bling
You're losing your Kiwi outlook and are becoming infected with that
American bullshit "freedom" philosophy.
What is the issue with freedom?
Yeah I was trying to figure that one out too!

There's nothing that I could do in NZ that I can't do here.

The one big difference is I have a bloody sight more land mass to
travel - places to go, things to do and see, etc etc etc...

Not to mention the SHOPPING.... ;-)


Cath
t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
2005-09-05 16:17:50 UTC
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Post by t***@texas...removethisbit...usacom..
Look the same happens in many countries.
Everyone here and in NZ has the same educational opportunities to
better themselves.
But many don't.
They end up in low paying jobs getting no-where in life then blaming
everyone else for their situation.
Or on welfare.
Many maybe too lazy to work.
End of story.
You're losing your Kiwi outlook and are becoming infected with that
American bullshit "freedom" philosophy.
Bling Bling
Why the hell **should** I have a kiwi outlook?
How long do you think anyone would survive here if they did not
assimilate?

Infected - you do not see the difference between living in NZ and
living here as you haven't been in the situation of doing so.

Moreso, how does one become 'infected'?

Yes, I do have freedom here.
The kiwi outlook does not necessarily apply to anywhere outside of NZ.

Keep your kiwi stuff for within NZ, otherwise you know the saying
'when in Rome'.....

Cath
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