On Thu, 01 Apr 2021 21:03:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
"It would be nice if anybody here who believes this to be wrong
actually addresses the data and opinions stated. However most people who
man made climate change is a significant contributor to our climate and that we
can actually make a real difference with fart taxes and similar usually attack
the messenger and rarely if ever address the data.
I would genuinely like to see somebody take this data apart and show it to be
I have been away, so have not seen much of the previous discussion, so
I did look at the article. Thye first paragraph says "In 1989 The UN
predicted disaster if global warming was not checked. Nations would
be wiped off the face of the earth, coastal regions flooded, about 23
million people displaced, a fifth of Egypts arable land flooded and
many ecological refugees. Here we are 32 years on and has any of this
Then from https://www.ipcc.ch/about/history/
I read: "The establishment of the IPCC was endorsed by UN General
Assembly in 1988. Its initial task, as outlined in UN General Assembly
Resolution 43/53 of 6 December 1988, was to prepare a comprehensive
review and recommendations with respect to the state of knowledge of
the science of climate change; the social and economic impact of
climate change, and potential response strategies and elements for
inclusion in a possible future international convention on climate.
Since 1988, the IPCC has had five assessment cycles and delivered five
Assessment Reports, the most comprehensive scientific reports about
climate change produced worldwide. It has also produced a range of
Methodology Reports, Special Reports and Technical Papers, in response
to requests for information on specific scientific and technical
matters from the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change
(UNFCCC), governments and international organizations."
and "In 1990, the First IPCC Assessment Report (FAR) underlined the
importance of climate change as a challenge with global consequences
and requiring international cooperation. "
So where is the reference to the prediction? It was apparently in
1989, before the IPCC had given any report. That we cannot verify
from refrences that the IPCC made any such statement, perhaps we
should be a bit wary of the article. But let us suppose someone did
make those statements way back in 1989 - does it surprise you that
they were wrong? Does a statement by an unknown person outweigh 32
years of subsequent research?
The article does seem to go on to quote all sorts of fantastic
assertions. For example " I have read reports that stated that CO2 is
a poisonous gas and a pollutant. Neither is true. It is a very
important gas essential for the survival of humans. It is essentially
plant food. If CO2 falls below a certain level all plants die and so
do we. Of course plants give us oxygen as a result of taking in CO2
and through the process of photosynthesis."
Now again we do not know where this was read - it sounds the sort of
scientific expertise proudly explained by a poster to nz.general - I
agree with your hope that the data and opinions stated be addressed -
I have endeavoured to do that but I presume that you have already
either done that or have knowledge that can resolve the small
difficulties I have identified above. I look forward to your response.
Post by Tony
The above was the first post in this thread and clearly I was prophetic.
Keith Warren, using one of his several pseudonyms, has done precisely what I
hoped nobody would do (a naive hope it would seem).
He has not at any time addressed the content, he has attacked the credibility
of the author and has deliberately tried to move the focus onto extraneous
The author holds a degree in the subject matter he has addressed (geophysics)
and also has a law degree.
If anybody would like to address the actual subject matter with either facts or
reasonable opinion that would be a very welcome change.
I look forward to the next article from this far from minor author and hope
that we can keep an open mind instead of driving down the "mankind is
predominantly responsible for climate change" road with blinkers on. The fact
that he has chosen the Waikanae Watch blog to publish is irrelevant to anybody
who is open minded.
Meanwhile I have removed the silliness from this subthread.