Discussion:
Food for thought.
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Crash
2021-06-07 20:59:31 UTC
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I don't agree with everything said here, but these are interesting
observations:

https://tinyurl.com/y3wj55cg

If half of this is true, and National has the skills required, there
is plenty of fodder here to make their mark.


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Crash McBash
Rich80105
2021-06-07 21:53:33 UTC
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Post by Crash
I don't agree with everything said here, but these are interesting
https://tinyurl.com/y3wj55cg
If half of this is true, and National has the skills required, there
is plenty of fodder here to make their mark.
Of course some of it is true - Covid required a huge mount of new work
on communications which was very well done. A new government also
needs to explain changes in policy stances and new policies, which
also requires more communications. The diversion of many staff from
normal work to covid work also continues, making 'business as usual'
not as easy as it once was.

The other area where things may have changed is for OIA requests
themselves. Last time National were in opposition they tried to flood
the system with requests - one MP was making an average of around 1000
requests a day; which looked suspiciously like a deliberate attempt to
create a problem. As far as I am aware opposition parties during the
Key/English governments only asked genuine enquiries . . .

Andrea Vance does appear very close to National at present - she was
able to assist Collins get rid of Smith; this may well be her next
task . . .
John Bowes
2021-06-07 23:38:28 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
I don't agree with everything said here, but these are interesting
https://tinyurl.com/y3wj55cg
If half of this is true, and National has the skills required, there
is plenty of fodder here to make their mark.
Of course some of it is true - Covid required a huge mount of new work
on communications which was very well done. A new government also
needs to explain changes in policy stances and new policies, which
also requires more communications. The diversion of many staff from
normal work to covid work also continues, making 'business as usual'
not as easy as it once was.
Some of it? Sounds like a typical Tui add from you in support of your glorious circus Rich :)
<typical unsupported crap snipped>
Post by Rich80105
Andrea Vance does appear very close to National at present - she was
able to assist Collins get rid of Smith; this may well be her next
task . . .
you only say that Rich because Andrea Vance doesn't push Labours 'we are the greatest line'like you do. She scares the shit out of you and Labour because she is honest!
Crash
2021-06-08 00:15:08 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
I don't agree with everything said here, but these are interesting
https://tinyurl.com/y3wj55cg
If half of this is true, and National has the skills required, there
is plenty of fodder here to make their mark.
Of course some of it is true - Covid required a huge mount of new work
on communications which was very well done.
Vance's critique covers the period since Labour formed a Government in
2017 and covers a lot of issues. Covid is not one of them and
therefore this comment is off-topic.
Post by Rich80105
A new government also
needs to explain changes in policy stances and new policies, which
also requires more communications. The diversion of many staff from
normal work to covid work also continues, making 'business as usual'
not as easy as it once was.
So what is your point? Exactly what is this relevant to in what Vance
says in this article?
Post by Rich80105
The other area where things may have changed is for OIA requests
themselves. Last time National were in opposition they tried to flood
the system with requests - one MP was making an average of around 1000
requests a day; which looked suspiciously like a deliberate attempt to
create a problem. As far as I am aware opposition parties during the
Key/English governments only asked genuine enquiries . . .
So how is this relevant to the claims that Vance has made? She is not
talking about National at all.
Post by Rich80105
Andrea Vance does appear very close to National at present - she was
able to assist Collins get rid of Smith; this may well be her next
task . . .
You concede the debating high ground with comments like this. I would
accept that Vance, like any journalist, writes to gain attention. You
have stooped to a repost of last resort in what you say here. This is
a sure sign that you feel the need to augment your viewpoint by
disparaging the author.

You have not responded to the following notable quotes from the
article:

"From the moment she took office in 2017, Jacinda Ardern promised her
government would be the most open and transparent New Zealand has
seen.

In her first formal speech to Parliament she pledged: “This government
will foster a more open and democratic society. It will strengthen
transparency around official information.”

Since then the number of faceless communications specialists has
skyrocketed. The Government’s iron grip on the control of information
has tightened.

And it is now harder than ever to get information."

and:

"This year, I have made more complaints to the Ombudsman than in any
previous year. So far, every one has been upheld."




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Crash McBash
Rich80105
2021-06-08 00:59:05 UTC
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Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
I don't agree with everything said here, but these are interesting
https://tinyurl.com/y3wj55cg
If half of this is true, and National has the skills required, there
is plenty of fodder here to make their mark.
Of course some of it is true - Covid required a huge mount of new work
on communications which was very well done.
Vance's critique covers the period since Labour formed a Government in
2017 and covers a lot of issues. Covid is not one of them and
therefore this comment is off-topic.
Vance complained about the large increase in communications staff -
Covid directly affected the need for communications staff.
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
A new government also
needs to explain changes in policy stances and new policies, which
also requires more communications. The diversion of many staff from
normal work to covid work also continues, making 'business as usual'
not as easy as it once was.
So what is your point? Exactly what is this relevant to in what Vance
says in this article?
Nationa is a government that tries to do as little as possible' any
new government wants to change some things. THat needs to be
communicated
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
The other area where things may have changed is for OIA requests
themselves. Last time National were in opposition they tried to flood
the system with requests - one MP was making an average of around 1000
requests a day; which looked suspiciously like a deliberate attempt to
create a problem. As far as I am aware opposition parties during the
Key/English governments only asked genuine enquiries . . .
So how is this relevant to the claims that Vance has made? She is not
talking about National at all.
The load of OIA requests requires staff to answer them. Many of those
requests come from National . . .
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
Andrea Vance does appear very close to National at present - she was
able to assist Collins get rid of Smith; this may well be her next
task . . .
You concede the debating high ground with comments like this. I would
accept that Vance, like any journalist, writes to gain attention. You
have stooped to a repost of last resort in what you say here. This is
a sure sign that you feel the need to augment your viewpoint by
disparaging the author.
You have not responded to the following notable quotes from the
"From the moment she took office in 2017, Jacinda Ardern promised her
government would be the most open and transparent New Zealand has
seen.
And the now regular automatic disclosure of a lot of information -
including briefing papers on new policy, is a huge increase in
information that does not need an OIA request . . .
Post by Crash
In her first formal speech to Parliament she pledged: “This government
will foster a more open and democratic society. It will strengthen
transparency around official information.”
Since then the number of faceless communications specialists has
skyrocketed. The Government’s iron grip on the control of information
has tightened.
No, it is much more freely available
Post by Crash
And it is now harder than ever to get information."
No it is not - Vance does not support that assertion.
Post by Crash
"This year, I have made more complaints to the Ombudsman than in any
previous year. So far, every one has been upheld."
Good for her. I am not surprised that she did not complain as much
under the previous government.

See also: https://www.facebook.com/gerard.otto/posts/10159807201262033

and:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/376342/national-s-written-questions-blitz-at-a-new-level-professor?fbclid=IwAR0IV08Shm92ZTzDiyg_X_m8zEeqMsvV5ir7EPk3-GCdrmFRtnw4h8Tl-pY
John Bowes
2021-06-08 05:22:20 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
I don't agree with everything said here, but these are interesting
https://tinyurl.com/y3wj55cg
If half of this is true, and National has the skills required, there
is plenty of fodder here to make their mark.
Of course some of it is true - Covid required a huge mount of new work
on communications which was very well done.
Vance's critique covers the period since Labour formed a Government in
2017 and covers a lot of issues. Covid is not one of them and
therefore this comment is off-topic.
Vance complained about the large increase in communications staff -
Covid directly affected the need for communications staff.
Bullshit! As Crash said the comments don't relate to Covid so again you go off topic in your stupid attempt to defend the undefendable Rich. Get some comprehension skills for once in your useless life!
Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
A new government also
needs to explain changes in policy stances and new policies, which
also requires more communications. The diversion of many staff from
normal work to covid work also continues, making 'business as usual'
not as easy as it once was.
So what is your point? Exactly what is this relevant to in what Vance
says in this article?
Nationa is a government that tries to do as little as possible' any
new government wants to change some things. THat needs to be
communicated
The thread isn't about National rich. It's about your useless Labour government and you know it!
Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
The other area where things may have changed is for OIA requests
themselves. Last time National were in opposition they tried to flood
the system with requests - one MP was making an average of around 1000
requests a day; which looked suspiciously like a deliberate attempt to
create a problem. As far as I am aware opposition parties during the
Key/English governments only asked genuine enquiries . . .
So how is this relevant to the claims that Vance has made? She is not
talking about National at all.
The load of OIA requests requires staff to answer them. Many of those
requests come from National . . .
Yet you and Labour bitched about the number National had? Rich you and Labour are just useless hypocrites!
Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
Andrea Vance does appear very close to National at present - she was
able to assist Collins get rid of Smith; this may well be her next
task . . .
You concede the debating high ground with comments like this. I would
accept that Vance, like any journalist, writes to gain attention. You
have stooped to a repost of last resort in what you say here. This is
a sure sign that you feel the need to augment your viewpoint by
disparaging the author.
You have not responded to the following notable quotes from the
"From the moment she took office in 2017, Jacinda Ardern promised her
government would be the most open and transparent New Zealand has
seen.
And the now regular automatic disclosure of a lot of information -
including briefing papers on new policy, is a huge increase in
information that does not need an OIA request . . .
So why don't we know anything till months after the announcements of 'new' policy Rich? Your lies prove just how desperate you are to lick the shit off Ardern's arse :)
Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
In her first formal speech to Parliament she pledged: “This government
will foster a more open and democratic society. It will strengthen
transparency around official information.”
Since then the number of faceless communications specialists has
skyrocketed. The Government’s iron grip on the control of information
has tightened.
No, it is much more freely available
Only in your drug/alcohol induced dreams Rich!
Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
And it is now harder than ever to get information."
No it is not - Vance does not support that assertion.
Why should she? She's describing work conditions under your useless and tight lipped Labour government and she's not the only journalist doing it Rich and you know it!
Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
"This year, I have made more complaints to the Ombudsman than in any
previous year. So far, every one has been upheld."
Good for her. I am not surprised that she did not complain as much
under the previous government.
Because it would seem they were a lot more open than the tight-lipped clowns you voted in Rich!
Post by Rich80105
See also: https://www.facebook.com/gerard.otto/posts/10159807201262033
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/376342/national-s-written-questions-blitz-at-a-new-level-professor?fbclid=IwAR0IV08Shm92ZTzDiyg_X_m8zEeqMsvV5ir7EPk3-GCdrmFRtnw4h8Tl-pY
Why is that Rich? Could it be because everything you've just written about the current Labour party are just even more fucking lies from a Communist troll? The answer, just to make it easy for you and save you from a headache is YES! Because it's the only way the Labour government can look good and you know it Rich!
Gordon
2021-06-08 03:53:15 UTC
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On 2021-06-08, Crash <***@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

[snip]
Post by Crash
"From the moment she took office in 2017, Jacinda Ardern promised her
government would be the most open and transparent New Zealand has
seen.
In her first formal speech to Parliament she pledged: “This government
will foster a more open and democratic society. It will strengthen
transparency around official information.”
Since then the number of faceless communications specialists has
skyrocketed. The Government’s iron grip on the control of information
has tightened.
And it is now harder than ever to get information."
"This year, I have made more complaints to the Ombudsman than in any
previous year. So far, every one has been upheld."
This is the point. What right does the Government in withholding information
for its own advantage? Spin all you like but the Government is we the
people employees. The Government should be working for the needs of the
people, not just its own.

They also seem to miss the point that having the Ombudsman smacking their
hand at a great rate shows that they are behaving badly.
John Bowes
2021-06-08 05:25:15 UTC
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Post by Gordon
[snip]
Post by Crash
"From the moment she took office in 2017, Jacinda Ardern promised her
government would be the most open and transparent New Zealand has
seen.
In her first formal speech to Parliament she pledged: “This government
will foster a more open and democratic society. It will strengthen
transparency around official information.”
Since then the number of faceless communications specialists has
skyrocketed. The Government’s iron grip on the control of information
has tightened.
And it is now harder than ever to get information."
"This year, I have made more complaints to the Ombudsman than in any
previous year. So far, every one has been upheld."
This is the point. What right does the Government in withholding information
for its own advantage? Spin all you like but the Government is we the
people employees. The Government should be working for the needs of the
people, not just its own.
Correct. However the current government doesn't give a toss about the people and think THEY should decide what is good for us. Typical of Socialist/Marxist/Totalitarian and Technocratic governments around the world.
Post by Gordon
They also seem to miss the point that having the Ombudsman smacking their
hand at a great rate shows that they are behaving badly.
Who missed the point that the government is just a bunch of typical Socialist failures?
Rich80105
2021-06-09 10:59:49 UTC
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Post by Gordon
[snip]
Post by Crash
"From the moment she took office in 2017, Jacinda Ardern promised her
government would be the most open and transparent New Zealand has
seen.
In her first formal speech to Parliament she pledged: ?This government
will foster a more open and democratic society. It will strengthen
transparency around official information.?
Since then the number of faceless communications specialists has
skyrocketed. The Government?s iron grip on the control of information
has tightened.
And it is now harder than ever to get information."
"This year, I have made more complaints to the Ombudsman than in any
previous year. So far, every one has been upheld."
This is the point. What right does the Government in withholding information
for its own advantage? Spin all you like but the Government is we the
people employees. The Government should be working for the needs of the
people, not just its own.
They also seem to miss the point that having the Ombudsman smacking their
hand at a great rate shows that they are behaving badly.
"smacking their hand at a great rate"?
See:
https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/resources/latest-oia-statistics-released-dec-2020/

from which:
"In the six months to December 2020, the number of complaints to the
Ombudsman notified to agencies decreased 18%, down from 192 to 158. A
total of 20 final opinions were made by the Ombudsman against
agencies, a 39% decrease on the previous period (33 during the
January-June 2020 period), which represents less than 0.1% of all OIA
requests responded to by agencies."
Also of interest may be:
https://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/resources/oia-complaints-completed-july-december-2019

So what right do posters to nz.general have to post claims of fact
based on poor journalism from a single reporter that did not itself
provide factual support for the opinions stated. Facts vs opinion . .
.
John Bowes
2021-06-09 23:09:21 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by Gordon
[snip]
Post by Crash
"From the moment she took office in 2017, Jacinda Ardern promised her
government would be the most open and transparent New Zealand has
seen.
In her first formal speech to Parliament she pledged: ?This government
will foster a more open and democratic society. It will strengthen
transparency around official information.?
Since then the number of faceless communications specialists has
skyrocketed. The Government?s iron grip on the control of information
has tightened.
And it is now harder than ever to get information."
"This year, I have made more complaints to the Ombudsman than in any
previous year. So far, every one has been upheld."
This is the point. What right does the Government in withholding information
for its own advantage? Spin all you like but the Government is we the
people employees. The Government should be working for the needs of the
people, not just its own.
They also seem to miss the point that having the Ombudsman smacking their
hand at a great rate shows that they are behaving badly.
"smacking their hand at a great rate"?
https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/resources/latest-oia-statistics-released-dec-2020/
"In the six months to December 2020, the number of complaints to the
Ombudsman notified to agencies decreased 18%, down from 192 to 158. A
total of 20 final opinions were made by the Ombudsman against
agencies, a 39% decrease on the previous period (33 during the
January-June 2020 period), which represents less than 0.1% of all OIA
requests responded to by agencies."
https://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/resources/oia-complaints-completed-july-december-2019
So what right do posters to nz.general have to post claims of fact
based on poor journalism from a single reporter that did not itself
provide factual support for the opinions stated. Facts vs opinion . .
.
Because the journalist is reporting what has been happening to her Rich. Not defending a useless circus like you do! Now go back and look at the figures from 2017 before making spurious attacks on a better person than you are Rich!
John Bowes
2021-06-09 23:18:02 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by Gordon
[snip]
Post by Crash
"From the moment she took office in 2017, Jacinda Ardern promised her
government would be the most open and transparent New Zealand has
seen.
In her first formal speech to Parliament she pledged: ?This government
will foster a more open and democratic society. It will strengthen
transparency around official information.?
Since then the number of faceless communications specialists has
skyrocketed. The Government?s iron grip on the control of information
has tightened.
And it is now harder than ever to get information."
"This year, I have made more complaints to the Ombudsman than in any
previous year. So far, every one has been upheld."
This is the point. What right does the Government in withholding information
for its own advantage? Spin all you like but the Government is we the
people employees. The Government should be working for the needs of the
people, not just its own.
They also seem to miss the point that having the Ombudsman smacking their
hand at a great rate shows that they are behaving badly.
"smacking their hand at a great rate"?
https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/resources/latest-oia-statistics-released-dec-2020/
"In the six months to December 2020, the number of complaints to the
Ombudsman notified to agencies decreased 18%, down from 192 to 158. A
total of 20 final opinions were made by the Ombudsman against
agencies, a 39% decrease on the previous period (33 during the
January-June 2020 period), which represents less than 0.1% of all OIA
requests responded to by agencies."
https://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/resources/oia-complaints-completed-july-december-2019
So what right do posters to nz.general have to post claims of fact
based on poor journalism from a single reporter that did not itself
provide factual support for the opinions stated. Facts vs opinion . .
.
Interesting that you ignore the fact that oia requests are up by 27%. But then it doesn't surprise me that you'd ignore that just so you could abuse a woman who's not even aware you exist! Your problem with Vance isn't that she's a bad journalist but that she doesn't believe the lies coming from your glorious liar Ardern!
https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/resources/latest-oia-statistics-released-dec-2020/ Here's the story Rich would rather ignore than admit is the truth about the government he blindly supports!
James Christophers
2021-06-10 01:57:51 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by Gordon
[snip]
Post by Crash
"From the moment she took office in 2017, Jacinda Ardern promised her
government would be the most open and transparent New Zealand has
seen.
In her first formal speech to Parliament she pledged: ?This government
will foster a more open and democratic society. It will strengthen
transparency around official information.?
Since then the number of faceless communications specialists has
skyrocketed. The Government?s iron grip on the control of information
has tightened.
And it is now harder than ever to get information."
"This year, I have made more complaints to the Ombudsman than in any
previous year. So far, every one has been upheld."
This is the point. What right does the Government in withholding information
for its own advantage? Spin all you like but the Government is we the
people employees. The Government should be working for the needs of the
people, not just its own.
They also seem to miss the point that having the Ombudsman smacking their
hand at a great rate shows that they are behaving badly.
"smacking their hand at a great rate"?
https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/resources/latest-oia-statistics-released-dec-2020/
"In the six months to December 2020, the number of complaints to the
Ombudsman notified to agencies decreased 18%, down from 192 to 158. A
total of 20 final opinions were made by the Ombudsman against
agencies, a 39% decrease on the previous period (33 during the
January-June 2020 period), which represents less than 0.1% of all OIA
requests responded to by agencies."
https://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/resources/oia-complaints-completed-july-december-2019
So what right do posters to nz.general have to post claims of fact
based on poor journalism from a single reporter that did not itself
provide factual support for the opinions stated. Facts vs opinion . .
.
Interesting that you ignore the fact that oia requests are up by 27%.
Rich has not ignored that fact at all but has actually acknowledged it by posting the URL you then repost below for reasons only you can explain. That same published statistic is further qualified by the person who originally provided it - Public Service Commissioner Peter Hughes. Here's what he says, verbatim:

“In the context of a 27% increase in volume, maintaining a high level of timeliness is a satisfactory result.”

Yet again, as presented, Hughes's entire OIA statistical report suggests that, overall, the government is handling OIA's in a satisfactory manner. To know the truth of it once and for all, I suggest you read his clear and unequivocal stats report as per the URL.

That done, all that is now left for the reader to decide is whether a New Zealand senior public servant whose business it is to deliver clear, accurate statistics on the performance of government departments, is more likely to enjoy the greater credibility and reputation when it comes to those same statistics than some ex-Murdoch junior hack nursing a personal grievance who must needs find an all-comers outlet through which to unburden herself of it.
John Bowes
2021-06-10 03:49:20 UTC
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Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by Gordon
[snip]
Post by Crash
"From the moment she took office in 2017, Jacinda Ardern promised her
government would be the most open and transparent New Zealand has
seen.
In her first formal speech to Parliament she pledged: ?This government
will foster a more open and democratic society. It will strengthen
transparency around official information.?
Since then the number of faceless communications specialists has
skyrocketed. The Government?s iron grip on the control of information
has tightened.
And it is now harder than ever to get information."
"This year, I have made more complaints to the Ombudsman than in any
previous year. So far, every one has been upheld."
This is the point. What right does the Government in withholding information
for its own advantage? Spin all you like but the Government is we the
people employees. The Government should be working for the needs of the
people, not just its own.
They also seem to miss the point that having the Ombudsman smacking their
hand at a great rate shows that they are behaving badly.
"smacking their hand at a great rate"?
https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/resources/latest-oia-statistics-released-dec-2020/
"In the six months to December 2020, the number of complaints to the
Ombudsman notified to agencies decreased 18%, down from 192 to 158. A
total of 20 final opinions were made by the Ombudsman against
agencies, a 39% decrease on the previous period (33 during the
January-June 2020 period), which represents less than 0.1% of all OIA
requests responded to by agencies."
https://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/resources/oia-complaints-completed-july-december-2019
So what right do posters to nz.general have to post claims of fact
based on poor journalism from a single reporter that did not itself
provide factual support for the opinions stated. Facts vs opinion . .
.
Interesting that you ignore the fact that oia requests are up by 27%.
“In the context of a 27% increase in volume, maintaining a high level of timeliness is a satisfactory result.”
Yet again, as presented, Hughes's entire OIA statistical report suggests that, overall, the government is handling OIA's in a satisfactory manner. To know the truth of it once and for all, I suggest you read his clear and unequivocal stats report as per the URL.
That done, all that is now left for the reader to decide is whether a New Zealand senior public servant whose business it is to deliver clear, accurate statistics on the performance of government departments, is more likely to enjoy the greater credibility and reputation when it comes to those same statistics than some ex-Murdoch junior hack nursing a personal grievance who must needs find an all-comers outlet through which to unburden herself of it.
Like Rich you ignore the fact the number of oia requests have increased yet these figures only relate to 54 of 116 agencies. So what happened with the hidden agencies? A rather large statistical hole don't you think Keith?
James Christophers
2021-06-10 05:33:31 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by Gordon
[snip]
Post by Crash
"From the moment she took office in 2017, Jacinda Ardern promised her
government would be the most open and transparent New Zealand has
seen.
In her first formal speech to Parliament she pledged: ?This government
will foster a more open and democratic society. It will strengthen
transparency around official information.?
Since then the number of faceless communications specialists has
skyrocketed. The Government?s iron grip on the control of information
has tightened.
And it is now harder than ever to get information."
"This year, I have made more complaints to the Ombudsman than in any
previous year. So far, every one has been upheld."
This is the point. What right does the Government in withholding information
for its own advantage? Spin all you like but the Government is we the
people employees. The Government should be working for the needs of the
people, not just its own.
They also seem to miss the point that having the Ombudsman smacking their
hand at a great rate shows that they are behaving badly.
"smacking their hand at a great rate"?
https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/resources/latest-oia-statistics-released-dec-2020/
"In the six months to December 2020, the number of complaints to the
Ombudsman notified to agencies decreased 18%, down from 192 to 158. A
total of 20 final opinions were made by the Ombudsman against
agencies, a 39% decrease on the previous period (33 during the
January-June 2020 period), which represents less than 0.1% of all OIA
requests responded to by agencies."
https://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/resources/oia-complaints-completed-july-december-2019
So what right do posters to nz.general have to post claims of fact
based on poor journalism from a single reporter that did not itself
provide factual support for the opinions stated. Facts vs opinion . .
.
Interesting that you ignore the fact that oia requests are up by 27%.
“In the context of a 27% increase in volume, maintaining a high level of timeliness is a satisfactory result.”
Yet again, as presented, Hughes's entire OIA statistical report suggests that, overall, the government is handling OIA's in a satisfactory manner. To know the truth of it once and for all, I suggest you read his clear and unequivocal stats report as per the URL.
That done, all that is now left for the reader to decide is whether a New Zealand senior public servant whose business it is to deliver clear, accurate statistics on the performance of government departments, is more likely to enjoy the greater credibility and reputation when it comes to those same statistics than some ex-Murdoch junior hack nursing a personal grievance who must needs find an all-comers outlet through which to unburden herself of it.
Like Rich you ignore the fact the number of oia requests have increased yet these figures only relate to 54 of 116 agencies. So what happened with the hidden agencies? A rather large statistical hole don't you think Keith?
From Peter Hughes's same OIA stats, verbatim:

"Overall, (a total of 116) agencies responded to 24,631, or 97.2%, of requests on time, compared with the 97.3% in the January to June 2020 period."
John Bowes
2021-06-10 05:46:19 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by Gordon
[snip]
Post by Crash
"From the moment she took office in 2017, Jacinda Ardern promised her
government would be the most open and transparent New Zealand has
seen.
In her first formal speech to Parliament she pledged: ?This government
will foster a more open and democratic society. It will strengthen
transparency around official information.?
Since then the number of faceless communications specialists has
skyrocketed. The Government?s iron grip on the control of information
has tightened.
And it is now harder than ever to get information."
"This year, I have made more complaints to the Ombudsman than in any
previous year. So far, every one has been upheld."
This is the point. What right does the Government in withholding information
for its own advantage? Spin all you like but the Government is we the
people employees. The Government should be working for the needs of the
people, not just its own.
They also seem to miss the point that having the Ombudsman smacking their
hand at a great rate shows that they are behaving badly.
"smacking their hand at a great rate"?
https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/resources/latest-oia-statistics-released-dec-2020/
"In the six months to December 2020, the number of complaints to the
Ombudsman notified to agencies decreased 18%, down from 192 to 158. A
total of 20 final opinions were made by the Ombudsman against
agencies, a 39% decrease on the previous period (33 during the
January-June 2020 period), which represents less than 0.1% of all OIA
requests responded to by agencies."
https://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/resources/oia-complaints-completed-july-december-2019
So what right do posters to nz.general have to post claims of fact
based on poor journalism from a single reporter that did not itself
provide factual support for the opinions stated. Facts vs opinion . .
.
Interesting that you ignore the fact that oia requests are up by 27%.
“In the context of a 27% increase in volume, maintaining a high level of timeliness is a satisfactory result.”
Yet again, as presented, Hughes's entire OIA statistical report suggests that, overall, the government is handling OIA's in a satisfactory manner. To know the truth of it once and for all, I suggest you read his clear and unequivocal stats report as per the URL.
That done, all that is now left for the reader to decide is whether a New Zealand senior public servant whose business it is to deliver clear, accurate statistics on the performance of government departments, is more likely to enjoy the greater credibility and reputation when it comes to those same statistics than some ex-Murdoch junior hack nursing a personal grievance who must needs find an all-comers outlet through which to unburden herself of it.
Like Rich you ignore the fact the number of oia requests have increased yet these figures only relate to 54 of 116 agencies. So what happened with the hidden agencies? A rather large statistical hole don't you think Keith?
"Overall, (a total of 116) agencies responded to 24,631, or 97.2%, of requests on time, compared with the 97.3% in the January to June 2020 period."
From the same source! Which suggests the number of complaints may very well be higher than what your little mate claims!
Of the 116 agencies, 54 have published OIA responses on their websites, up from 46 in the previous six months. In total, 1876 OIA responses were published, a 52% increase on the previous period.
James Christophers
2021-06-10 06:09:57 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by Gordon
[snip]
Post by Crash
"From the moment she took office in 2017, Jacinda Ardern promised her
government would be the most open and transparent New Zealand has
seen.
In her first formal speech to Parliament she pledged: ?This government
will foster a more open and democratic society. It will strengthen
transparency around official information.?
Since then the number of faceless communications specialists has
skyrocketed. The Government?s iron grip on the control of information
has tightened.
And it is now harder than ever to get information."
"This year, I have made more complaints to the Ombudsman than in any
previous year. So far, every one has been upheld."
This is the point. What right does the Government in withholding information
for its own advantage? Spin all you like but the Government is we the
people employees. The Government should be working for the needs of the
people, not just its own.
They also seem to miss the point that having the Ombudsman smacking their
hand at a great rate shows that they are behaving badly.
"smacking their hand at a great rate"?
https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/resources/latest-oia-statistics-released-dec-2020/
"In the six months to December 2020, the number of complaints to the
Ombudsman notified to agencies decreased 18%, down from 192 to 158. A
total of 20 final opinions were made by the Ombudsman against
agencies, a 39% decrease on the previous period (33 during the
January-June 2020 period), which represents less than 0.1% of all OIA
requests responded to by agencies."
https://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/resources/oia-complaints-completed-july-december-2019
So what right do posters to nz.general have to post claims of fact
based on poor journalism from a single reporter that did not itself
provide factual support for the opinions stated. Facts vs opinion . .
.
Interesting that you ignore the fact that oia requests are up by 27%.
“In the context of a 27% increase in volume, maintaining a high level of timeliness is a satisfactory result.”
Yet again, as presented, Hughes's entire OIA statistical report suggests that, overall, the government is handling OIA's in a satisfactory manner. To know the truth of it once and for all, I suggest you read his clear and unequivocal stats report as per the URL.
That done, all that is now left for the reader to decide is whether a New Zealand senior public servant whose business it is to deliver clear, accurate statistics on the performance of government departments, is more likely to enjoy the greater credibility and reputation when it comes to those same statistics than some ex-Murdoch junior hack nursing a personal grievance who must needs find an all-comers outlet through which to unburden herself of it.
Like Rich you ignore the fact the number of oia requests have increased yet these figures only relate to 54 of 116 agencies. So what happened with the hidden agencies? A rather large statistical hole don't you think Keith?
"Overall, (a total of 116) agencies responded to 24,631, or 97.2%, of requests on time, compared with the 97.3% in the January to June 2020 period."
From the same source! Which suggests the number of complaints may very well be higher than what your little mate claims!
Best to settle for the stats as put unless anyone - including you - can prove them false.
Rich80105
2021-06-10 07:02:44 UTC
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On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 20:49:20 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by Gordon
[snip]
Post by Crash
"From the moment she took office in 2017, Jacinda Ardern promised her
government would be the most open and transparent New Zealand has
seen.
In her first formal speech to Parliament she pledged: ?This government
will foster a more open and democratic society. It will strengthen
transparency around official information.?
Since then the number of faceless communications specialists has
skyrocketed. The Government?s iron grip on the control of information
has tightened.
And it is now harder than ever to get information."
"This year, I have made more complaints to the Ombudsman than in any
previous year. So far, every one has been upheld."
This is the point. What right does the Government in withholding information
for its own advantage? Spin all you like but the Government is we the
people employees. The Government should be working for the needs of the
people, not just its own.
They also seem to miss the point that having the Ombudsman smacking their
hand at a great rate shows that they are behaving badly.
"smacking their hand at a great rate"?
https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/resources/latest-oia-statistics-released-dec-2020/
"In the six months to December 2020, the number of complaints to the
Ombudsman notified to agencies decreased 18%, down from 192 to 158. A
total of 20 final opinions were made by the Ombudsman against
agencies, a 39% decrease on the previous period (33 during the
January-June 2020 period), which represents less than 0.1% of all OIA
requests responded to by agencies."
https://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/resources/oia-complaints-completed-july-december-2019
So what right do posters to nz.general have to post claims of fact
based on poor journalism from a single reporter that did not itself
provide factual support for the opinions stated. Facts vs opinion . .
.
Interesting that you ignore the fact that oia requests are up by 27%.
“In the context of a 27% increase in volume, maintaining a high level of timeliness is a satisfactory result.”
Yet again, as presented, Hughes's entire OIA statistical report suggests that, overall, the government is handling OIA's in a satisfactory manner. To know the truth of it once and for all, I suggest you read his clear and unequivocal stats report as per the URL.
That done, all that is now left for the reader to decide is whether a New Zealand senior public servant whose business it is to deliver clear, accurate statistics on the performance of government departments, is more likely to enjoy the greater credibility and reputation when it comes to those same statistics than some ex-Murdoch junior hack nursing a personal grievance who must needs find an all-comers outlet through which to unburden herself of it.
Like Rich you ignore the fact the number of oia requests have increased yet these figures only relate to 54 of 116 agencies. So what happened with the hidden agencies? A rather large statistical hole don't you think Keith?
If you are referring to complaints to the Ombudsman then there were a
number of agencies with no OIA complaints - nothing new there.

Also relevant is that, despite the large volume of material now
distributed and available to all under the current government,
questions from the opposition always increase when National is in
opposition:

2021 so far – 23376
2020 – 19732
2019 – 45626
2018 – 40203
2017 – 20563
2016 – 15680
2015 – 16180

These are not simple questions to answer. A quick check through Chris
Bishop’s 1,482 questions made so far this year include the following:

* Who paid for the afternoon tea at Government House for Deputy Police
Commissioner Wally Haumaha, and how much did it cost?
* How many COVID-19 vaccines have been administered in New Zealand to
date, broken down by day?
* Has the COVID Immunisation Register gone “offline” since it has been
operational; if so, for how long in total?
* What was the coding error in the software used in a local Canterbury
medical appointment system for COVID-19 vaccines?
* What risk assurance process, if any, was used for the software used
in a local Canterbury medical appointment system for COVID-19
vaccines?

Turnaround for these questions is meant to be five days. No wonder
the OIA system is under pressure or that extra staff are being hired.

So how is the current government doing compared with the Key/English
government? From the Gerard Otto article "Did you know that by the
2nd half of 2018 – 95% of all Official Information Act requests were
completed on time, compared with only 91% in 2015/2016?"

So with the government releasing automatically a lot of papers,
questions from opposition have gone from 20563 in 2017 to 45626 in
2019 - with more meeting deadlines.

This represents a significant improvement in performance by the
current government over the prevous Nat-led government.

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