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James Christophers
2021-04-08 00:54:41 UTC
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...as given in this report from an overseas-based journal of record:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/06/new-zealand-coronavirus-breaches-jailed-convictions
John Bowes
2021-04-08 02:51:41 UTC
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/06/new-zealand-coronavirus-breaches-jailed-convictions
But a cracked record like so many of the MSM Keith.......
Tony
2021-04-08 03:09:56 UTC
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I assume you are not referring to that left rag The Guardian. No you couldn't
be.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/06/new-zealand-coronavirus-breaches-jailed-convictions
James Christophers
2021-04-09 01:24:19 UTC
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Post by James Christophers
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/06/new-zealand-coronavirus-breaches-jailed-convictions
I assume you are not referring to that left rag The Guardian. No you couldn't
be.
The very same. The article is authored by "that left rag Guardian's" current NZ correspondent, New Zealander Tess McClure.

https://www.fulbright.org.nz/portfolio/tess-mcclure-fulbright-new-zealand-general-graduate-awards/

Then this:

The acceptance rate at Columbia University is 5.9%.

The university is ranked 19th in the QS Global World Rankings 2021.

See? Those two quintessentials not only all in one, but also right out there on public view: validation and publication by a global journal of record; quality of researched material and future potential recognised and authenticated by one of the world's highest-ranking seats of learning. And this is only the beginning for Ms McClure! So what's not to like?
Tony
2021-04-09 01:45:26 UTC
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/06/new-zealand-coronavirus-breaches-jailed-convictions
I assume you are not referring to that left rag The Guardian. No you couldn't
be.
The very same. The article is authored by "that left rag Guardian's" current
NZ correspondent, New Zealander Tess McClure.
https://www.fulbright.org.nz/portfolio/tess-mcclure-fulbright-new-zealand-general-graduate-awards/
The acceptance rate at Columbia University is 5.9%.
The university is ranked 19th in the QS Global World Rankings 2021.
See? Those two quintessentials not only all in one, but also right out there
on public view: validation and publication by a global journal of record;
quality of researched material and future potential recognised and
authenticated by one of the world's highest-ranking seats of learning. And this
is only the beginning for Ms McClure! So what's not to like?
I am sure she is a very fine and extrenmely capable person. Why wouldn't she be?
That deosn't make The Guardian anything but a rag.
James Christophers
2021-04-09 04:01:12 UTC
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Post by James Christophers
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/06/new-zealand-coronavirus-breaches-jailed-convictions
I assume you are not referring to that left rag The Guardian. No you couldn't
be.
The very same. The article is authored by "that left rag Guardian's" current
NZ correspondent, New Zealander Tess McClure.
https://www.fulbright.org.nz/portfolio/tess-mcclure-fulbright-new-zealand-general-graduate-awards/
The acceptance rate at Columbia University is 5.9%.
The university is ranked 19th in the QS Global World Rankings 2021.
See? Those two quintessentials not only all in one, but also right out there
on public view: validation and publication by a global journal of record;
quality of researched material and future potential recognised and
authenticated by one of the world's highest-ranking seats of learning. And this
is only the beginning for Ms McClure! So what's not to like?
I am sure she is a very fine and extrenmely capable person. Why wouldn't she be?
That deosn't make The Guardian anything but a rag.
For those interested, The Guardian is exactly 200 years old. It was founded in 1821 as The Manchester Guardian, and changed its name in 1959. Along with its sister papers The Observer and The Guardian Weekly, The Guardian Group enjoys financial and editorial independence in perpetuity through the Scott Trust. Charles Prestwich Scott, a British journalist, publisher and politician. was the editor of the Manchester Guardian from 1872 until 1929 and its owner from 1907 until his death in 1932. It is Scott whose captioned cameo appears in the top RH corner of every front page, perpetually reminds both reader and journalist of that immutable dictum: "Comments are free, but facts are sacred".

The Group's 2018 annual report (year ending 1 April 2018) indicated that the Scott Trust Endowment Fund was valued at £1.01 billion (2017: £1.03bn). There is no paywall and subscriptions are voluntary.

So, with that morsel of settled history and Scott's dictum both now in mind, you could well consider publishing your Usenet contributions behind a paywall of your own. Then you'd discover exactly what your unsubstantiated opinions are really worth, wouldn't you?
Tony
2021-04-09 04:21:46 UTC
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Post by James Christophers
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/06/new-zealand-coronavirus-breaches-jailed-convictions
I assume you are not referring to that left rag The Guardian. No you couldn't
be.
The very same. The article is authored by "that left rag Guardian's" current
NZ correspondent, New Zealander Tess McClure.
Post by Tony
https://www.fulbright.org.nz/portfolio/tess-mcclure-fulbright-new-zealand-general-graduate-awards/
The acceptance rate at Columbia University is 5.9%.
The university is ranked 19th in the QS Global World Rankings 2021.
See? Those two quintessentials not only all in one, but also right out there
on public view: validation and publication by a global journal of record;
quality of researched material and future potential recognised and
authenticated by one of the world's highest-ranking seats of learning. And this
is only the beginning for Ms McClure! So what's not to like?
I am sure she is a very fine and extrenmely capable person. Why wouldn't she be?
That deosn't make The Guardian anything but a rag.
For those interested, The Guardian is exactly 200 years old. It was founded in
1821 as The Manchester Guardian, and changed its name in 1959. Along with its
sister papers The Observer and The Guardian Weekly, The Guardian Group enjoys
financial and editorial independence in perpetuity through the Scott Trust.
Charles Prestwich Scott, a British journalist, publisher and politician. was
the editor of the Manchester Guardian from 1872 until 1929 and its owner from
1907 until his death in 1932. It is Scott whose captioned cameo appears in the
top RH corner of every front page, perpetually reminds both reader and
journalist of that immutable dictum: "Comments are free, but facts are sacred".
The Group's 2018 annual report (year ending 1 April 2018) indicated that the
Scott Trust Endowment Fund was valued at £1.01 billion (2017: £1.03bn). There
is no paywall and subscriptions are voluntary.
Fascinating.
Post by James Christophers
So, with that morsel of settled history and Scott's dictum both now in mind,
you could well consider publishing your Usenet contributions behind a paywall
of your own. Then you'd discover exactly what your unsubstantiated opinions are
really worth, wouldn't you?
And what about your unsubstantiated opinions?
They are manifest and abundant. However I have no problem with that.
So why am I not allowed to have them. Do tell (sorry to steal that from you).
The trouble with paywalls is that they seem to attract sociopaths.
John Bowes
2021-04-09 05:11:07 UTC
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Post by James Christophers
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/06/new-zealand-coronavirus-breaches-jailed-convictions
I assume you are not referring to that left rag The Guardian. No you couldn't
be.
The very same. The article is authored by "that left rag Guardian's" current
NZ correspondent, New Zealander Tess McClure.
Post by Tony
https://www.fulbright.org.nz/portfolio/tess-mcclure-fulbright-new-zealand-general-graduate-awards/
The acceptance rate at Columbia University is 5.9%.
The university is ranked 19th in the QS Global World Rankings 2021.
See? Those two quintessentials not only all in one, but also right out there
on public view: validation and publication by a global journal of record;
quality of researched material and future potential recognised and
authenticated by one of the world's highest-ranking seats of learning. And this
is only the beginning for Ms McClure! So what's not to like?
I am sure she is a very fine and extrenmely capable person. Why wouldn't she be?
That deosn't make The Guardian anything but a rag.
For those interested, The Guardian is exactly 200 years old. It was founded in
1821 as The Manchester Guardian, and changed its name in 1959. Along with its
sister papers The Observer and The Guardian Weekly, The Guardian Group enjoys
financial and editorial independence in perpetuity through the Scott Trust.
Charles Prestwich Scott, a British journalist, publisher and politician. was
the editor of the Manchester Guardian from 1872 until 1929 and its owner from
1907 until his death in 1932. It is Scott whose captioned cameo appears in the
top RH corner of every front page, perpetually reminds both reader and
journalist of that immutable dictum: "Comments are free, but facts are sacred".
The Group's 2018 annual report (year ending 1 April 2018) indicated that the
Scott Trust Endowment Fund was valued at £1.01 billion (2017: £1.03bn). There
is no paywall and subscriptions are voluntary.
Fascinating.
Post by James Christophers
So, with that morsel of settled history and Scott's dictum both now in mind,
you could well consider publishing your Usenet contributions behind a paywall
of your own. Then you'd discover exactly what your unsubstantiated opinions are
really worth, wouldn't you?
And what about your unsubstantiated opinions?
They are manifest and abundant. However I have no problem with that.
So why am I not allowed to have them. Do tell (sorry to steal that from you).
The trouble with paywalls is that they seem to attract sociopaths.
So The guardian is a 200 year old rag. So what it means absolutely NOTHING and Keith knows it!
Tony
2021-04-09 05:16:18 UTC
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Post by James Christophers
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/06/new-zealand-coronavirus-breaches-jailed-convictions
I assume you are not referring to that left rag The Guardian. No you couldn't
be.
The very same. The article is authored by "that left rag Guardian's" current
NZ correspondent, New Zealander Tess McClure.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
https://www.fulbright.org.nz/portfolio/tess-mcclure-fulbright-new-zealand-general-graduate-awards/
The acceptance rate at Columbia University is 5.9%.
The university is ranked 19th in the QS Global World Rankings 2021.
See? Those two quintessentials not only all in one, but also right out there
on public view: validation and publication by a global journal of record;
quality of researched material and future potential recognised and
authenticated by one of the world's highest-ranking seats of learning.
And
this
is only the beginning for Ms McClure! So what's not to like?
I am sure she is a very fine and extrenmely capable person. Why wouldn't
she
be?
That deosn't make The Guardian anything but a rag.
For those interested, The Guardian is exactly 200 years old. It was founded in
1821 as The Manchester Guardian, and changed its name in 1959. Along with its
sister papers The Observer and The Guardian Weekly, The Guardian Group enjoys
financial and editorial independence in perpetuity through the Scott Trust.
Charles Prestwich Scott, a British journalist, publisher and politician. was
the editor of the Manchester Guardian from 1872 until 1929 and its owner from
1907 until his death in 1932. It is Scott whose captioned cameo appears in the
top RH corner of every front page, perpetually reminds both reader and
journalist of that immutable dictum: "Comments are free, but facts are sacred".
The Group's 2018 annual report (year ending 1 April 2018) indicated that the
Scott Trust Endowment Fund was valued at £1.01 billion (2017: £1.03bn). There
is no paywall and subscriptions are voluntary.
Fascinating.
Post by James Christophers
So, with that morsel of settled history and Scott's dictum both now in mind,
you could well consider publishing your Usenet contributions behind a paywall
of your own. Then you'd discover exactly what your unsubstantiated opinions are
really worth, wouldn't you?
And what about your unsubstantiated opinions?
They are manifest and abundant. However I have no problem with that.
So why am I not allowed to have them. Do tell (sorry to steal that from you).
The trouble with paywalls is that they seem to attract sociopaths.
So The guardian is a 200 year old rag. So what it means absolutely NOTHING and
Keith knows it!
John,
Keith is a 200 years old rag.
James Christophers
2021-04-09 05:36:59 UTC
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/06/new-zealand-coronavirus-breaches-jailed-convictions
I assume you are not referring to that left rag The Guardian. No you couldn't
be.
The very same. The article is authored by "that left rag Guardian's" current
NZ correspondent, New Zealander Tess McClure.
Post by Tony
https://www.fulbright.org.nz/portfolio/tess-mcclure-fulbright-new-zealand-general-graduate-awards/
The acceptance rate at Columbia University is 5.9%.
The university is ranked 19th in the QS Global World Rankings 2021.
See? Those two quintessentials not only all in one, but also right out there
on public view: validation and publication by a global journal of record;
quality of researched material and future potential recognised and
authenticated by one of the world's highest-ranking seats of learning. And this
is only the beginning for Ms McClure! So what's not to like?
I am sure she is a very fine and extrenmely capable person. Why wouldn't she be?
That deosn't make The Guardian anything but a rag.
For those interested, The Guardian is exactly 200 years old. It was founded in
1821 as The Manchester Guardian, and changed its name in 1959. Along with its
sister papers The Observer and The Guardian Weekly, The Guardian Group enjoys
financial and editorial independence in perpetuity through the Scott Trust.
Charles Prestwich Scott, a British journalist, publisher and politician, was
the editor of the Manchester Guardian from 1872 until 1929 and its owner from
1907 until his death in 1932. It is Scott, whose captioned cameo appears in the
top RH corner of every front page, perpetually reminds both reader and
journalist of that immutable dictum: "Comments are free, but facts are sacred".
The Group's 2018 annual report (year ending 1 April 2018) indicated that the
Scott Trust Endowment Fund was valued at £1.01 billion (2017: £1.03bn). There
is no paywall and subscriptions are voluntary.
Fascinating.
It's about survival, and growth through an intrinsic journalistic integrity that holds The Guardian above any possible temptation to succumb to corporate influence or political bribery - e.g., you don't get to bring down the Dirty Digger's mighty and near-unassailable News of the World by accepting bribes to conceal or to cheat on the sordid and belief-beggaring truths you have brought to light. This case even saw the resignation of the Metropolitan Police Commissioner of the day and brought about the consequent loss of public faith and trust in the enforcement of British law. If trust in truth justice mean anything at all, the world should be kneeling to the likes of Alan Rusbridger.

Further enlightenment here, but strictly only for those with an honest, open mind:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian
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And what about your unsubstantiated opinions?
Hehehe! "Look over there, you mean?
Post by Tony
They are manifest and abundant. However I have no problem with that.
And may the bluebird of happiness land on your shoulder.
Post by Tony
So why am I not allowed to have them?
Who has told you this? Sounds distinctly paranoid to me.
Post by Tony
The trouble with paywalls is that they seem to attract sociopaths.
Tell it to the desperately paywalled NZ Herald which is now in rearguard action mode[]1]. They'll be only too happy to tell you your wildly fanciful interpretation is that of the hardened paranoiac if ever there were!

[1] While the ever-enlightened, panoptic Guardian with its more recent local incursions continues to grow its strategically positioned, multi-location incubus in this country - unpaywalled. Slam dunk.
Tony
2021-04-09 06:48:46 UTC
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/06/new-zealand-coronavirus-breaches-jailed-convictions
I assume you are not referring to that left rag The Guardian. No you couldn't
be.
The very same. The article is authored by "that left rag Guardian's" current
NZ correspondent, New Zealander Tess McClure.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
https://www.fulbright.org.nz/portfolio/tess-mcclure-fulbright-new-zealand-general-graduate-awards/
The acceptance rate at Columbia University is 5.9%.
The university is ranked 19th in the QS Global World Rankings 2021.
See? Those two quintessentials not only all in one, but also right out there
on public view: validation and publication by a global journal of record;
quality of researched material and future potential recognised and
authenticated by one of the world's highest-ranking seats of learning.
And
this
is only the beginning for Ms McClure! So what's not to like?
I am sure she is a very fine and extrenmely capable person. Why wouldn't
she
be?
That deosn't make The Guardian anything but a rag.
For those interested, The Guardian is exactly 200 years old. It was founded in
1821 as The Manchester Guardian, and changed its name in 1959. Along with its
sister papers The Observer and The Guardian Weekly, The Guardian Group enjoys
financial and editorial independence in perpetuity through the Scott Trust.
Charles Prestwich Scott, a British journalist, publisher and politician, was
the editor of the Manchester Guardian from 1872 until 1929 and its owner from
1907 until his death in 1932. It is Scott, whose captioned cameo appears in the
top RH corner of every front page, perpetually reminds both reader and
journalist of that immutable dictum: "Comments are free, but facts are sacred".
The Group's 2018 annual report (year ending 1 April 2018) indicated that the
Scott Trust Endowment Fund was valued at £1.01 billion (2017: £1.03bn). There
is no paywall and subscriptions are voluntary.
Fascinating.
It's about survival, and growth through an intrinsic journalistic integrity
that holds The Guardian above any possible temptation to succumb to corporate
influence or political bribery - e.g., you don't get to bring down the Dirty
Digger's mighty and near-unassailable News of the World by accepting bribes to
conceal or to cheat on the sordid and belief-beggaring truths you have brought
to light. This case even saw the resignation of the Metropolitan Police
Commissioner of the day and brought about the consequent loss of public faith
and trust in the enforcement of British law. If trust in truth justice mean
anything at all, the world should be kneeling to the likes of Alan Rusbridger.
As I said, fascinating.
How would you have found anything like that?
Post by James Christophers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian
Post by Tony
And what about your unsubstantiated opinions?
Hehehe! "Look over there, you mean?
No, I meant waht I wrote. Not your sordid translation.
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
They are manifest and abundant. However I have no problem with that.
And may the bluebird of happiness land on your shoulder.
Or fly up your ***.
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Post by Tony
So why am I not allowed to have them?
Who has told you this? Sounds distinctly paranoid to me.
Well it would but then you are a sociopath.
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Post by Tony
The trouble with paywalls is that they seem to attract sociopaths.
Tell it to the desperately paywalled NZ Herald which is now in rearguard
action mode[]1]. They'll be only too happy to tell you your wildly fanciful
interpretation is that of the hardened paranoiac if ever there were!
Why would you mention trash like that? Jealous?
Post by James Christophers
[1] While the ever-enlightened, panoptic Guardian with its more recent local
incursions continues to grow its strategically positioned, multi-location
incubus in this country - unpaywalled. Slam dunk.
Lucky that they are funded by China eh?

John Bowes
2021-04-09 05:09:44 UTC
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/06/new-zealand-coronavirus-breaches-jailed-convictions
I assume you are not referring to that left rag The Guardian. No you couldn't
be.
The very same. The article is authored by "that left rag Guardian's" current NZ correspondent, New Zealander Tess McClure.
https://www.fulbright.org.nz/portfolio/tess-mcclure-fulbright-new-zealand-general-graduate-awards/
So what?
The acceptance rate at Columbia University is 5.9%.
So what?
The university is ranked 19th in the QS Global World Rankings 2021.
So what?
See? Those two quintessentials not only all in one, but also right out there on public view: validation and publication by a global journal of record; quality of researched material and future potential recognised and authenticated by one of the world's highest-ranking seats of learning. And this is only the beginning for Ms McClure! So what's not to like?
Your links in support of the journalist mean nothing Keith! She seems to be pushing the left wing it's all racism agenda with when you boil it down isn't supported by her article. That is unless your a dimwit like you who get's his jolly's from putting down the country he was stupid enough to chose to live in. It's beyond me why you live in such a miserable country unless it's how you get your rocks off....
JohnO
2021-04-08 21:31:49 UTC
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/06/new-zealand-coronavirus-breaches-jailed-convictions
"The data revealed a significant racial tilt in the enforcement of Covid-related orders – nearly half of those charged and convicted were Māori, despite the fact Māori make up just 16% of New Zealand’s overall population."

So we didn't need to read far to see the obvious fallacy. The population percentage is irrelevant. It is the offences committed that counts. If "nearly half" of all offences were committed by Māori then the the charged and convicted rate would be entirely consistent and fair. The reporter didn't want to project that though as it is less click-worthy.
JohnO
2021-04-08 21:32:43 UTC
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/06/new-zealand-coronavirus-breaches-jailed-convictions
"The data revealed a significant racial tilt in the enforcement of Covid-related orders – nearly half of those charged and convicted were Māori, despite the fact Māori make up just 16% of New Zealand’s overall population."
So we didn't need to read far to see the obvious fallacy. The population percentage is irrelevant. It is the offences committed that counts. If "nearly half" of all offences were committed by Māori then the the charged and convicted rate would be entirely consistent and fair. The reporter didn't want to project that though as it is less click-worthy.
So the lesson to the credulous is this: never confuse "facts" with statistics.
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