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Ainulindale_world_that_is
2021-09-04 22:55:41 UTC
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And your point is?
Rich80105
2021-09-04 23:37:11 UTC
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Post by Ainulindale_world_that_is
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/the-house/audio/2018810926/parliament-s-tiny-house-vs-its-committees
And your point is?
Many people appear to have thoght that most MPs were unable to work
since they were not able to be meeting in Parliament in Wellington -
the sessions that were held were with only a small number.

In reality, a lot of work is still happening that is of importance to
New Zealand.
Ainulindale_world_that_is
2021-09-05 21:35:07 UTC
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On Sun, 05 Sep 2021 10:55:41 +1200, Ainulindale_world_that_is
Post by Ainulindale_world_that_is
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/the-house/audio/2018810926/parliament-s-tiny-house-vs-its-committees
And your point is?
Many people appear to have thoght that most MPs were unable to work
since they were not able to be meeting in Parliament in Wellington -
the sessions that were held were with only a small number.
I haven't heard that, I have heard that smart people believe that
parliament should sit. After all my friend the risk is trivial once
they are in Wellington and settled in to their accommodations.
Post by Rich80105
In reality, a lot of work is still happening that is of importance to
New Zealand.
Work is not the point, democracy is the real point. It needs to be
seen to be democratic.
George Black
2021-09-06 00:01:48 UTC
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https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/09/coronavirus-debunking-a-kiwi-doctor-s-two-hour-anti-vaccination-video.html
Where can I see the anti-vaccination video? I have searched for it but
cannot find it. Newshub did not provide a link to it for balance.
One thing is clear. There is much disageement among doctors and other
health professionals.
Only one viewpoint is permitted. Any contrary stance is actively
suppressed. You won't find any opposing dialogue on Youtube, Twitter
or Facebook; not even from medical experts, but it's out there, and
there is rather a lot of it.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/JwhAiexP0cI9/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/FsTcRK7SZf9H/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/F2MbeGcO2FrT/
I know of one doctor who says she has been threatened with losing her
license to practise medicine if she speaks out against the official
narrative. That is a disgrace.
When any prime minister proclaims: "we will continue to be your single
source of truth", and "unless you hear it from us it is not the
truth", that's how you know for certain that your country is being run
by a pathological liar.
Bill.
:)
Rich80105
2021-09-06 00:49:43 UTC
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https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/09/coronavirus-debunking-a-kiwi-doctor-s-two-hour-anti-vaccination-video.html
Where can I see the anti-vaccination video? I have searched for it but
cannot find it. Newshub did not provide a link to it for balance.
Whether this is the one I cannot confirm - I have not watched it:
https://odysee.com/@voicesforfreedom:6/peter-canaday-interview-19-august-2021:e
found through:
https://voicesforfreedom.co.nz/


See also:
https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/okategoriserade/20210801/spreading-dangerous-misinformation/
One thing is clear. There is much disageement among doctors and other
health professionals.
Not really - they seem remarkably consistent - that you have found one
doctor who has not been invovled in epidemiology but has some
different opinions is unexpected.
Only one viewpoint is permitted. Any contrary stance is actively
suppressed. You won't find any opposing dialogue on Youtube, Twitter
or Facebook; not even from medical experts, but it's out there, and
there is rather a lot of it.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/JwhAiexP0cI9/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/FsTcRK7SZf9H/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/F2MbeGcO2FrT/
The internet is like that - any kook can get a video posted somewhere.
Do let us know how you get on with hydroxychloroquyine . . .
I know of one doctor who says she has been threatened with losing her
license to practise medicine if she speaks out against the official
narrative. That is a disgrace.
Perhaps you are mistaking a profession concerned about practitioners
giving advice for whoich they do not have adequate experience or
knowledge - thank goodness our medical profession comes down strongly
on any member of their professional organisation who puts people in
danger through incompetence or unwise advice. Would you have it any
other way?
When any prime minister proclaims: "we will continue to be your single
source of truth", and "unless you hear it from us it is not the
truth", that's how you know for certain that your country is being run
by a pathological liar.
Bill.
I suspect you will find that is not an entirely accurate quote, but
then this is only usenet - and you are entitled to your wrong opinions
. . .
James Christophers
2021-09-06 01:09:22 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/09/coronavirus-debunking-a-kiwi-doctor-s-two-hour-anti-vaccination-video.html
Where can I see the anti-vaccination video? I have searched for it but
cannot find it. Newshub did not provide a link to it for balance.
https://voicesforfreedom.co.nz/
https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/okategoriserade/20210801/spreading-dangerous-misinformation/
One thing is clear. There is much disageement among doctors and other
health professionals.
Not really - they seem remarkably consistent - that you have found one
doctor who has not been invovled in epidemiology but has some
different opinions is unexpected.
Only one viewpoint is permitted. Any contrary stance is actively
suppressed. You won't find any opposing dialogue on Youtube, Twitter
or Facebook; not even from medical experts, but it's out there, and
there is rather a lot of it.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/JwhAiexP0cI9/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/FsTcRK7SZf9H/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/F2MbeGcO2FrT/
The internet is like that - any kook can get a video posted somewhere.
Do let us know how you get on with hydroxychloroquyine . . .
I know of one doctor who says she has been threatened with losing her
license to practise medicine if she speaks out against the official
narrative. That is a disgrace.
Perhaps you are mistaking a profession concerned about practitioners
giving advice for whoich they do not have adequate experience or
knowledge - thank goodness our medical profession comes down strongly
on any member of their professional organisation who puts people in
danger through incompetence or unwise advice. Would you have it any
other way?
When any prime minister proclaims: "we will continue to be your single
source of truth", and "unless you hear it from us it is not the
truth", that's how you know for certain that your country is being run
by a pathological liar.
Bill.
I suspect you will find that is not an entirely accurate quote, but
then this is only usenet - and you are entitled to your wrong opinions
. . .
========================
House sitting date 2 Sep 2020

Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN (Prime Minister) replying to Judith Collins:

"I stand by my statement in its entirety. Some weeks ago, I was asked about rumours and speculation that had emerged across social media on COVID-19 that could have caused harm to New Zealanders. My full quote reads, "I've been watching for some days—and this is not unique to New Zealand—that, in the midst of what is a global issue, as you would expect, there are a number of rumours that circulate. I am present on social media; I see it myself. I cannot go round and individually dismiss every single rumour I see, as tempted as I might be. So, instead, I want to send a clear message to the New Zealand public: we will share with you the most up-to-date information daily. You can trust us as a source of that information. You can also trust the Director-General of Health and the Ministry of Health. For that information, do feel free to visit at any time—to clarify any rumour you may hear—the covid19.govt.nz website. Otherwise, dismiss anything else. We will continue to be your single source of truth. We'll provide information frequently. We will share everything we can. Everything else you see—a grain of salt."
========================

Quote so, "...a grain of salt" - IOW, cave omnes alii
James Christophers
2021-09-06 01:10:53 UTC
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Post by James Christophers
Post by Rich80105
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/09/coronavirus-debunking-a-kiwi-doctor-s-two-hour-anti-vaccination-video.html
Where can I see the anti-vaccination video? I have searched for it but
cannot find it. Newshub did not provide a link to it for balance.
https://voicesforfreedom.co.nz/
https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/okategoriserade/20210801/spreading-dangerous-misinformation/
One thing is clear. There is much disageement among doctors and other
health professionals.
Not really - they seem remarkably consistent - that you have found one
doctor who has not been invovled in epidemiology but has some
different opinions is unexpected.
Only one viewpoint is permitted. Any contrary stance is actively
suppressed. You won't find any opposing dialogue on Youtube, Twitter
or Facebook; not even from medical experts, but it's out there, and
there is rather a lot of it.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/JwhAiexP0cI9/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/FsTcRK7SZf9H/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/F2MbeGcO2FrT/
The internet is like that - any kook can get a video posted somewhere.
Do let us know how you get on with hydroxychloroquyine . . .
I know of one doctor who says she has been threatened with losing her
license to practise medicine if she speaks out against the official
narrative. That is a disgrace.
Perhaps you are mistaking a profession concerned about practitioners
giving advice for whoich they do not have adequate experience or
knowledge - thank goodness our medical profession comes down strongly
on any member of their professional organisation who puts people in
danger through incompetence or unwise advice. Would you have it any
other way?
When any prime minister proclaims: "we will continue to be your single
source of truth", and "unless you hear it from us it is not the
truth", that's how you know for certain that your country is being run
by a pathological liar.
Bill.
I suspect you will find that is not an entirely accurate quote, but
then this is only usenet - and you are entitled to your wrong opinions
. . .
========================
House sitting date 2 Sep 2020
"I stand by my statement in its entirety. Some weeks ago, I was asked about rumours and speculation that had emerged across social media on COVID-19 that could have caused harm to New Zealanders. My full quote reads, "I've been watching for some days—and this is not unique to New Zealand—that, in the midst of what is a global issue, as you would expect, there are a number of rumours that circulate. I am present on social media; I see it myself. I cannot go round and individually dismiss every single rumour I see, as tempted as I might be. So, instead, I want to send a clear message to the New Zealand public: we will share with you the most up-to-date information daily. You can trust us as a source of that information. You can also trust the Director-General of Health and the Ministry of Health. For that information, do feel free to visit at any time—to clarify any rumour you may hear—the covid19.govt.nz website. Otherwise, dismiss anything else. We will continue to be your single source of truth. We'll provide information frequently. We will share everything we can. Everything else you see—a grain of salt."
========================
Quote so, "...a grain of salt" - IOW, cave omnes alii
(Quite so)
BR
2021-09-07 16:43:12 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/09/coronavirus-debunking-a-kiwi-doctor-s-two-hour-anti-vaccination-video.html
Where can I see the anti-vaccination video? I have searched for it but
cannot find it. Newshub did not provide a link to it for balance.
https://voicesforfreedom.co.nz/
Thank you for that. I've just watched the whole thing. Very
informative. It would have been helpful if newshub had linked to it.
Clearly their intent was to present only one side of the controversy.
Maybe you should watch it. You might learn something.
Post by Rich80105
https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/okategoriserade/20210801/spreading-dangerous-misinformation/
Oh, a newspaper. What a surprise.
Post by Rich80105
One thing is clear. There is much disageement among doctors and other
health professionals.
Not really - they seem remarkably consistent - that you have found one
doctor who has not been invovled in epidemiology but has some
different opinions is unexpected.
One doctor? There are many doctors and other well qualified people who
do not agree with the official narrative. Just because the only
sources of information that you subscribe to do not allow you to see
them, that doesn't mean they don't exist.
Post by Rich80105
Only one viewpoint is permitted. Any contrary stance is actively
suppressed. You won't find any opposing dialogue on Youtube, Twitter
or Facebook; not even from medical experts, but it's out there, and
there is rather a lot of it.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/JwhAiexP0cI9/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/FsTcRK7SZf9H/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/F2MbeGcO2FrT/
The internet is like that - any kook can get a video posted somewhere.
They are qualified medical people, and these are just a small subset
of what's out there if you care to look. It also demonstrates the
level of censorship that prevails in the traditional media and on the
social websites run by the tech giants.
Post by Rich80105
Do let us know how you get on with hydroxychloroquyine . . .
How is that even possible? The government has prevented doctors from
prescribing HCQ for covid. Why would they take this option off the
table if they were genuinely concerned about the health and well being
of the population?
Post by Rich80105
I know of one doctor who says she has been threatened with losing her
license to practise medicine if she speaks out against the official
narrative. That is a disgrace.
Perhaps you are mistaking a profession concerned about practitioners
giving advice for whoich they do not have adequate experience or
knowledge
Perhaps? Maybe you are unwilling or unable to see past anything other
than the official line which has been fed to you by your beloved
government. Lockdowns do not work. They haven't worked in the past and
they will not work this time. The best you can expect is a temporary
reprieve or a delaying of the inevitable. If quarrantining the
population was an effective solution, endless repetitions would not be
necessary.
Post by Rich80105
thank goodness our medical profession comes down strongly
on any member of their professional organisation who puts people in
danger through incompetence or unwise advice. Would you have it any
other way?
Yes I would, particularly when the medical profession has become
politicised. I would expect a doctor to present all options to the
patient, to include a detailed explanation of the advantages and
disadvantages of each, and allow the patient to make an informed
decision.
Post by Rich80105
When any prime minister proclaims: "we will continue to be your single
source of truth", and "unless you hear it from us it is not the
truth", that's how you know for certain that your country is being run
by a pathological liar.
Bill.
I suspect you will find that is not an entirely accurate quote, but
then this is only usenet - and you are entitled to your wrong opinions
If you had watched the video in the link you posted, you would have
seen your glorious leader utter those very words.

Only a fool would support a government that punishes all of us "for
our own good".

Bill.
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