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Tony
2021-03-31 02:30:56 UTC
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Does anybody actually care about what Auckland needs?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300266645/no-decision-on-auckland-light-rail-as-government-opts-for-fresh-start-on-project
How about the council and the government actually doing something.
Whether that is light rail or not is becoming irrelevant as time passes.
Pathetic waste of time and resources.
Mutlley
2021-03-31 03:52:07 UTC
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Does anybody actually care about what Auckland needs?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300266645/no-decision-on-auckland-light-rail-as-government-opts-for-fresh-start-on-project
How about the council and the government actually doing something.
Whether that is light rail or not is becoming irrelevant as time passes.
Pathetic waste of time and resources.
I support lite rail in Auckland but not to the airport when heavy
rail would be way faster and cheaper Genter is dreaming with the 40
minute from the city to the airport. It takes currently about 30
minutes just to get to the middle of Dominion Road.
George Black
2021-03-31 19:01:53 UTC
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Does anybody actually care about what Auckland needs?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300266645/no-decision-on-auckland-light-rail-as-government-opts-for-fresh-start-on-project
How about the council and the government actually doing something.
Whether that is light rail or not is becoming irrelevant as time passes.
Pathetic waste of time and resources.
I support lite rail in Auckland but not to the airport when heavy
rail would be way faster and cheaper Genter is dreaming with the 40
minute from the city to the airport. It takes currently about 30
minutes just to get to the middle of Dominion Road.
And that rail passage will take road and further reduce the traffic flows.
They didn't get rid of trams in most cities because they were helping
traffic flows
John Bowes
2021-03-31 20:32:29 UTC
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Does anybody actually care about what Auckland needs?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300266645/no-decision-on-auckland-light-rail-as-government-opts-for-fresh-start-on-project
How about the council and the government actually doing something.
Whether that is light rail or not is becoming irrelevant as time passes.
Pathetic waste of time and resources.
I support lite rail in Auckland but not to the airport when heavy
rail would be way faster and cheaper Genter is dreaming with the 40
minute from the city to the airport. It takes currently about 30
minutes just to get to the middle of Dominion Road.
And that rail passage will take road and further reduce the traffic flows.
They didn't get rid of trams in most cities because they were helping
traffic flows
Yup. Funny how the current government is repeating not only New Zealand history but that of Europe in the 1930s with it's rush to re educate the kids and deny honest people firearms while leaving them in the hands of criminals. Not to mention their attack on freedom of speech! :(
Mutlley
2021-04-01 19:44:02 UTC
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Does anybody actually care about what Auckland needs?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300266645/no-decision-on-auckland-light-rail-as-government-opts-for-fresh-start-on-project
How about the council and the government actually doing something.
Whether that is light rail or not is becoming irrelevant as time passes.
Pathetic waste of time and resources.
I support lite rail in Auckland but not to the airport when heavy
rail would be way faster and cheaper Genter is dreaming with the 40
minute from the city to the airport. It takes currently about 30
minutes just to get to the middle of Dominion Road.
And that rail passage will take road and further reduce the traffic flows.
They didn't get rid of trams in most cities because they were helping
traffic flows
No they got rid of them because it wasn't fashionable to have them.
Europe put them all back it again after WW2 and some US, AU and UK
cities have retained or put them back in.
James Christophers
2021-04-01 21:29:11 UTC
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Does anybody actually care about what Auckland needs?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300266645/no-decision-on-auckland-light-rail-as-government-opts-for-fresh-start-on-project
How about the council and the government actually doing something.
Whether that is light rail or not is becoming irrelevant as time passes.
Pathetic waste of time and resources.
I support lite rail in Auckland but not to the airport when heavy
rail would be way faster and cheaper Genter is dreaming with the 40
minute from the city to the airport. It takes currently about 30
minutes just to get to the middle of Dominion Road.
And that rail passage will take road and further reduce the traffic flows.
They didn't get rid of trams in most cities because they were helping
traffic flows
No they got rid of them because it wasn't fashionable to have them.
Europe put them all back it again after WW2 and some US, AU and UK
cities have retained or put them back in.
Two examples for those interested:

London: The tram and its eventual demise:

https://londonist.com/london/history/why-did-london-lose-its-trams

Switzerland: The nation's thriving tram system. Cities have low atmospheric pollution. Coal has always been in short supply . Currently, over 90% of the country's power needs are met by hydro and nuclear generation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trams_in_Z%C3%BCrich
James Christophers
2021-04-01 22:05:37 UTC
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Post by Tony
Does anybody actually care about what Auckland needs?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300266645/no-decision-on-auckland-light-rail-as-government-opts-for-fresh-start-on-project
How about the council and the government actually doing something.
Whether that is light rail or not is becoming irrelevant as time passes.
Pathetic waste of time and resources.
Quick learners who make a success of things (Mao/Xi Jinping, anyone?) know that for any individual or nation to advance and thrive, there's nothing to beat vision plus the long-term commitment based on a culture of foresight and the planning that goes with it. Regardless of party, spending every three-year cycle fretting over the next election is no way to run a country.
John Bowes
2021-04-01 22:25:04 UTC
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Does anybody actually care about what Auckland needs?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300266645/no-decision-on-auckland-light-rail-as-government-opts-for-fresh-start-on-project
How about the council and the government actually doing something.
Whether that is light rail or not is becoming irrelevant as time passes.
Pathetic waste of time and resources.
Quick learners who make a success of things (Mao/Xi Jinping, anyone?) know that for any individual or nation to advance and thrive, there's nothing to beat vision plus the long-term commitment based on a culture of foresight and the planning that goes with it. Regardless of party, spending every three-year cycle fretting over the next election is no way to run a country.
So speaks a Nazi now supporting another totalitarian government! I like my freedom Keith and that's something you don't get in your nasty, corrupt totalitarian states! But guess you and corruption are bosom buddies and have always been so!
James Christophers
2021-04-01 22:51:16 UTC
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Post by Tony
Does anybody actually care about what Auckland needs?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300266645/no-decision-on-auckland-light-rail-as-government-opts-for-fresh-start-on-project
How about the council and the government actually doing something.
Whether that is light rail or not is becoming irrelevant as time passes.
Pathetic waste of time and resources.
Quick learners who make a success of things (Mao/Xi Jinping, anyone?) know that for any individual or nation to advance and thrive, there's nothing to beat vision plus the long-term commitment based on a culture of foresight and the planning that goes with it. Regardless of party, spending every three-year cycle fretting over the next election is no way to run a country.
So speaks a Nazi now supporting another totalitarian government!
Giving an example of one thing is not tantamount to supporting another. In the case of China, progressive economic growth has been a direct result of an extraordinarily consistent vision plus long-term planning and coordinated financing and execution, these being the very essence of government by technocrats. The Chinese government are technocrats to a man.


I like my freedom....


Who wouldn't? Just think of it - there was a time when you had the democratic freedom to make a technocrat of yourself, perhaps even a technocrat running a democratically elected government.

But what actually happened? And why?
John Bowes
2021-04-02 00:34:43 UTC
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Post by Tony
Does anybody actually care about what Auckland needs?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300266645/no-decision-on-auckland-light-rail-as-government-opts-for-fresh-start-on-project
How about the council and the government actually doing something.
Whether that is light rail or not is becoming irrelevant as time passes.
Pathetic waste of time and resources.
Quick learners who make a success of things (Mao/Xi Jinping, anyone?) know that for any individual or nation to advance and thrive, there's nothing to beat vision plus the long-term commitment based on a culture of foresight and the planning that goes with it. Regardless of party, spending every three-year cycle fretting over the next election is no way to run a country.
So speaks a Nazi now supporting another totalitarian government!
Giving an example of one thing is not tantamount to supporting another. In the case of China, progressive economic growth has been a direct result of an extraordinarily consistent vision plus long-term planning and coordinated financing and execution, these being the very essence of government by technocrats. The Chinese government are technocrats to a man.
They're communists and totalitarian Keith. Nothing to admire about the arseholes at all unless you have the same autocratic attitude to people. something you demonstrate admirably on an almost daily basis!
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I like my freedom....
Who wouldn't? Just think of it - there was a time when you had the democratic freedom to make a technocrat of yourself, perhaps even a technocrat running a democratically elected government.
But what actually happened? And why?
Had no interest in telling people how to run their lives Keith. Unlike you I believe in freedom!
James Christophers
2021-04-02 02:35:15 UTC
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Does anybody actually care about what Auckland needs?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300266645/no-decision-on-auckland-light-rail-as-government-opts-for-fresh-start-on-project
How about the council and the government actually doing something.
Whether that is light rail or not is becoming irrelevant as time passes.
Pathetic waste of time and resources.
Quick learners who make a success of things (Mao/Xi Jinping, anyone?) know that for any individual or nation to advance and thrive, there's nothing to beat vision plus the long-term commitment based on a culture of foresight and the planning that goes with it. Regardless of party, spending every three-year cycle fretting over the next election is no way to run a country.
So speaks a Nazi now supporting another totalitarian government!
Giving an example of one thing is not tantamount to supporting another. In the case of China, progressive economic growth has been a direct result of an extraordinarily consistent vision plus long-term planning and coordinated financing and execution, these being the very essence of government by technocrats. The Chinese government are technocrats to a man.
They're communists and totalitarian Keith.
I support neither communism nor totalitarianism, which plain truth renders your reply as pointless as it is redundant in the given context.

Better by far that you do something more useful by expending your energies outlining a proposed alternative style of government for New Zealand, embodying all the recently-proven advantages of a technocracy but without any of the characteristics of communism and totalitarianism such as that of China.
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Post by James Christophers
I like my freedom....
Who wouldn't? Just think of it - there was a time when you h the democratic freedom to make a technocrat of yourself, perhaps even a technocrat running a democratically elected government.
But what actually happened? And why?
Had no interest in telling people how to run their lives Keith. Unlike you I believe in freedom!
Yet you have lived out your state-supported life in the New Zealand armed forces while unquestioningly taking orders from your superiors - about as centrally rule-driven and undemocratic as it gets!
Nellie the Elephant
2021-04-02 02:53:10 UTC
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Post by Tony
Does anybody actually care about what Auckland needs?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300266645/no-decision-on-auckland-light-rail-as-government-opts-for-fresh-start-on-project
How about the council and the government actually doing something.
Whether that is light rail or not is becoming irrelevant as time passes.
Pathetic waste of time and resources.
Quick learners who make a success of things (Mao/Xi Jinping, anyone?) know that for any individual or nation to advance and thrive, there's nothing to beat vision plus the long-term commitment based on a culture of foresight and the planning that goes with it. Regardless of party, spending every three-year cycle fretting over the next election is no way to run a country.
So speaks a Nazi now supporting another totalitarian government!
Giving an example of one thing is not tantamount to supporting another. In the case of China, progressive economic growth has been a direct result of an extraordinarily consistent vision plus long-term planning and coordinated financing and execution, these being the very essence of government by technocrats. The Chinese government are technocrats to a man.
They're communists and totalitarian Keith.
I support neither communism nor totalitarianism, which plain truth renders your reply as pointless as it is redundant in the given context.
Better by far that you do something more useful by expending your energies outlining a proposed alternative style of government for New Zealand, embodying all the recently-proven advantages of a technocracy but without any of the characteristics of communism and totalitarianism such as that of China.
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Post by James Christophers
I like my freedom....
Who wouldn't? Just think of it - there was a time when you h the democratic freedom to make a technocrat of yourself, perhaps even a technocrat running a democratically elected government.
But what actually happened? And why?
Had no interest in telling people how to run their lives Keith. Unlike you I believe in freedom!
Yet you have lived out your state-supported life in the New Zealand armed forces while unquestioningly taking orders from your superiors - about as centrally rule-driven and undemocratic as it gets!
And you look down on those to whom you mistakenly feel superior.
Thank goodness that people choose to join the military. Your assertion
that today's soldiers, or members of any of the forces, are
unquestioning is archaic. Perhaps you could explore modern military
ethics and customs.
John Bowes
2021-04-02 03:47:59 UTC
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Does anybody actually care about what Auckland needs?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300266645/no-decision-on-auckland-light-rail-as-government-opts-for-fresh-start-on-project
How about the council and the government actually doing something.
Whether that is light rail or not is becoming irrelevant as time passes.
Pathetic waste of time and resources.
Quick learners who make a success of things (Mao/Xi Jinping, anyone?) know that for any individual or nation to advance and thrive, there's nothing to beat vision plus the long-term commitment based on a culture of foresight and the planning that goes with it. Regardless of party, spending every three-year cycle fretting over the next election is no way to run a country.
So speaks a Nazi now supporting another totalitarian government!
Giving an example of one thing is not tantamount to supporting another. In the case of China, progressive economic growth has been a direct result of an extraordinarily consistent vision plus long-term planning and coordinated financing and execution, these being the very essence of government by technocrats. The Chinese government are technocrats to a man.
They're communists and totalitarian Keith.
I support neither communism nor totalitarianism, which plain truth renders your reply as pointless as it is redundant in the given context.
Better by far that you do something more useful by expending your energies outlining a proposed alternative style of government for New Zealand, embodying all the recently-proven advantages of a technocracy but without any of the characteristics of communism and totalitarianism such as that of China.
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Post by James Christophers
I like my freedom....
Who wouldn't? Just think of it - there was a time when you h the democratic freedom to make a technocrat of yourself, perhaps even a technocrat running a democratically elected government.
But what actually happened? And why?
Had no interest in telling people how to run their lives Keith. Unlike you I believe in freedom!
Yet you have lived out your state-supported life in the New Zealand armed forces while unquestioningly taking orders from your superiors - about as centrally rule-driven and undemocratic as it gets!
And you look down on those to whom you mistakenly feel superior.
Thank goodness that people choose to join the military. Your assertion
that today's soldiers, or members of any of the forces, are
unquestioning is archaic. Perhaps you could explore modern military
ethics and customs.
Keith claims to have served with the Royal Navy Volunteer Reserve in his past. If he wasn't just lying (again) my bet is he was escorted to his first day of training by a bunch of British bobby's while he screamed and yelled about it not being fair or something similar. I'm just surprised after his behaviour in this ng that the portly, smelly old bugger didn't get deep sixed on his first cruise to sea. That is if they ever got the useless bugger to go to sea :)
George Black
2021-04-02 19:18:39 UTC
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Does anybody actually care about what Auckland needs?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300266645/no-decision-on-auckland-light-rail-as-government-opts-for-fresh-start-on-project
How about the council and the government actually doing something.
Whether that is light rail or not is becoming irrelevant as time passes.
Pathetic waste of time and resources.
Quick learners who make a success of things (Mao/Xi Jinping, anyone?) know that for any individual or nation to advance and thrive, there's nothing to beat vision plus the long-term commitment based on a culture of foresight and the planning that goes with it. Regardless of party, spending every three-year cycle fretting over the next election is no way to run a country.
So speaks a Nazi now supporting another totalitarian government!
Giving an example of one thing is not tantamount to supporting another. In the case of China, progressive economic growth has been a direct result of an extraordinarily consistent vision plus long-term planning and coordinated financing and execution, these being the very essence of government by technocrats. The Chinese government are technocrats to a man.
They're communists and totalitarian Keith.
I support neither communism nor totalitarianism, which plain truth renders your reply as pointless as it is redundant in the given context.
Better by far that you do something more useful by expending your energies outlining a proposed alternative style of government for New Zealand, embodying all the recently-proven advantages of a technocracy but without any of the characteristics of communism and totalitarianism such as that of China.
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Post by James Christophers
I like my freedom....
Who wouldn't? Just think of it - there was a time when you h the democratic freedom to make a technocrat of yourself, perhaps even a technocrat running a democratically elected government.
But what actually happened? And why?
Had no interest in telling people how to run their lives Keith. Unlike you I believe in freedom!
Yet you have lived out your state-supported life in the New Zealand armed forces while unquestioningly taking orders from your superiors - about as centrally rule-driven and undemocratic as it gets!
And you look down on those to whom you mistakenly feel superior.
Thank goodness that people choose to join the military. Your assertion
that today's soldiers, or members of any of the forces, are
unquestioning is archaic. Perhaps you could explore modern military
ethics and customs.
Keith claims to have served with the Royal Navy Volunteer Reserve in his past. If he wasn't just lying (again) my bet is he was escorted to his first day of training by a bunch of British bobby's while he screamed and yelled about it not being fair or something similar. I'm just surprised after his behaviour in this ng that the portly, smelly old bugger didn't get deep sixed on his first cruise to sea. That is if they ever got the useless bugger to go to sea :)
We called them Sunday Sailors.
A few of the good ones got some sea time. One did the McMurdo run but
they generally just met in Drill Halls and got yelled at there
John Bowes
2021-04-02 21:16:06 UTC
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Post by Tony
Does anybody actually care about what Auckland needs?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300266645/no-decision-on-auckland-light-rail-as-government-opts-for-fresh-start-on-project
How about the council and the government actually doing something.
Whether that is light rail or not is becoming irrelevant as time passes.
Pathetic waste of time and resources.
Quick learners who make a success of things (Mao/Xi Jinping, anyone?) know that for any individual or nation to advance and thrive, there's nothing to beat vision plus the long-term commitment based on a culture of foresight and the planning that goes with it. Regardless of party, spending every three-year cycle fretting over the next election is no way to run a country.
So speaks a Nazi now supporting another totalitarian government!
Giving an example of one thing is not tantamount to supporting another. In the case of China, progressive economic growth has been a direct result of an extraordinarily consistent vision plus long-term planning and coordinated financing and execution, these being the very essence of government by technocrats. The Chinese government are technocrats to a man.
They're communists and totalitarian Keith.
I support neither communism nor totalitarianism, which plain truth renders your reply as pointless as it is redundant in the given context.
Better by far that you do something more useful by expending your energies outlining a proposed alternative style of government for New Zealand, embodying all the recently-proven advantages of a technocracy but without any of the characteristics of communism and totalitarianism such as that of China.
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
I like my freedom....
Who wouldn't? Just think of it - there was a time when you h the democratic freedom to make a technocrat of yourself, perhaps even a technocrat running a democratically elected government.
But what actually happened? And why?
Had no interest in telling people how to run their lives Keith. Unlike you I believe in freedom!
Yet you have lived out your state-supported life in the New Zealand armed forces while unquestioningly taking orders from your superiors - about as centrally rule-driven and undemocratic as it gets!
And you look down on those to whom you mistakenly feel superior.
Thank goodness that people choose to join the military. Your assertion
that today's soldiers, or members of any of the forces, are
unquestioning is archaic. Perhaps you could explore modern military
ethics and customs.
Keith claims to have served with the Royal Navy Volunteer Reserve in his past. If he wasn't just lying (again) my bet is he was escorted to his first day of training by a bunch of British bobby's while he screamed and yelled about it not being fair or something similar. I'm just surprised after his behaviour in this ng that the portly, smelly old bugger didn't get deep sixed on his first cruise to sea. That is if they ever got the useless bugger to go to sea :)
We called them Sunday Sailors.
A few of the good ones got some sea time. One did the McMurdo run but
they generally just met in Drill Halls and got yelled at there
I was one of those 'Sunday Sailors' who spent more time at sea than in the drill hall :)
George Black
2021-04-02 22:17:31 UTC
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We called them Sunday Sailors.
A few of the good ones got some sea time. One did the McMurdo run but
they generally just met in Drill Halls and got yelled at there
I was one of those 'Sunday Sailors' who spent more time at sea than in the drill hall :)
Didn't get to do time on the Tamaki Trams ?
John Bowes
2021-04-03 02:50:13 UTC
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We called them Sunday Sailors.
A few of the good ones got some sea time. One did the McMurdo run but
they generally just met in Drill Halls and got yelled at there
I was one of those 'Sunday Sailors' who spent more time at sea than in the drill hall :)
Didn't get to do time on the Tamaki Trams ?
Just the Rocky HDMLs. Loved them and resisted the cox'ns ever effort to get me to sail in anything else :)
George Black
2021-04-03 20:03:12 UTC
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We called them Sunday Sailors.
A few of the good ones got some sea time. One did the McMurdo run but
they generally just met in Drill Halls and got yelled at there
I was one of those 'Sunday Sailors' who spent more time at sea than in the drill hall :)
Didn't get to do time on the Tamaki Trams ?
Just the Rocky HDMLs. Loved them and resisted the cox'ns ever effort to get me to sail in anything else :)
Following the rebuild and later exploits of HDML Kuparu currently...
John Bowes
2021-04-03 22:13:06 UTC
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We called them Sunday Sailors.
A few of the good ones got some sea time. One did the McMurdo run but
they generally just met in Drill Halls and got yelled at there
I was one of those 'Sunday Sailors' who spent more time at sea than in the drill hall :)
Didn't get to do time on the Tamaki Trams ?
Just the Rocky HDMLs. Loved them and resisted the cox'ns ever effort to get me to sail in anything else :)
Following the rebuild and later exploits of HDML Kuparu currently...
Nice to see the old girls being restored.

James Christophers
2021-04-03 04:36:01 UTC
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Does anybody actually care about what Auckland needs?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300266645/no-decision-on-auckland-light-rail-as-government-opts-for-fresh-start-on-project
How about the council and the government actually doing something.
Whether that is light rail or not is becoming irrelevant as time passes.
Pathetic waste of time and resources.
Quick learners who make a success of things (Mao/Xi Jinping, anyone?) know that for any individual or nation to advance and thrive, there's nothing to beat vision plus the long-term commitment based on a culture of foresight and the planning that goes with it. Regardless of party, spending every three-year cycle fretting over the next election is no way to run a country.
So speaks a Nazi now supporting another totalitarian government!
Giving an example of one thing is not tantamount to supporting another. In the case of China, progressive economic growth has been a direct result of an extraordinarily consistent vision plus long-term planning and coordinated financing and execution, these being the very essence of government by technocrats. The Chinese government are technocrats to a man.
They're communists and totalitarian Keith.
I support neither communism nor totalitarianism, which plain truth renders your reply as pointless as it is redundant in the given context.
Better by far that you do something more useful by expending your energies outlining a proposed alternative style of government for New Zealand, embodying all the recently-proven advantages of a technocracy but without any of the characteristics of communism and totalitarianism such as that of China.
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Post by James Christophers
I like my freedom....
Who wouldn't? Just think of it - there was a time when you h the democratic freedom to make a technocrat of yourself, perhaps even a technocrat running a democratically elected government.
But what actually happened? And why?
Had no interest in telling people how to run their lives Keith. Unlike you I believe in freedom!
Yet you have lived out your state-supported life in the New Zealand armed forces while unquestioningly taking orders from your superiors - about as centrally rule-driven and undemocratic as it gets!
And you look down on those to whom you mistakenly feel superior.
Thank goodness that people choose to join the military. Your assertion
that today's soldiers, or members of any of the forces, are
unquestioning is archaic. Perhaps you could explore modern military
ethics and customs.
Keith claims to have served with the Royal Navy Volunteer Reserve in his past.
First I've heard of it. Cite me, verbatim.
John Bowes
2021-04-03 04:46:12 UTC
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Does anybody actually care about what Auckland needs?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300266645/no-decision-on-auckland-light-rail-as-government-opts-for-fresh-start-on-project
How about the council and the government actually doing something.
Whether that is light rail or not is becoming irrelevant as time passes.
Pathetic waste of time and resources.
Quick learners who make a success of things (Mao/Xi Jinping, anyone?) know that for any individual or nation to advance and thrive, there's nothing to beat vision plus the long-term commitment based on a culture of foresight and the planning that goes with it. Regardless of party, spending every three-year cycle fretting over the next election is no way to run a country.
So speaks a Nazi now supporting another totalitarian government!
Giving an example of one thing is not tantamount to supporting another. In the case of China, progressive economic growth has been a direct result of an extraordinarily consistent vision plus long-term planning and coordinated financing and execution, these being the very essence of government by technocrats. The Chinese government are technocrats to a man.
They're communists and totalitarian Keith.
I support neither communism nor totalitarianism, which plain truth renders your reply as pointless as it is redundant in the given context.
Better by far that you do something more useful by expending your energies outlining a proposed alternative style of government for New Zealand, embodying all the recently-proven advantages of a technocracy but without any of the characteristics of communism and totalitarianism such as that of China.
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I like my freedom....
Who wouldn't? Just think of it - there was a time when you h the democratic freedom to make a technocrat of yourself, perhaps even a technocrat running a democratically elected government.
But what actually happened? And why?
Had no interest in telling people how to run their lives Keith. Unlike you I believe in freedom!
Yet you have lived out your state-supported life in the New Zealand armed forces while unquestioningly taking orders from your superiors - about as centrally rule-driven and undemocratic as it gets!
And you look down on those to whom you mistakenly feel superior.
Thank goodness that people choose to join the military. Your assertion
that today's soldiers, or members of any of the forces, are
unquestioning is archaic. Perhaps you could explore modern military
ethics and customs.
Keith claims to have served with the Royal Navy Volunteer Reserve in his past.
First I've heard of it. Cite me, verbatim.
So you and your mates weren't shitting bricks in the North sea some time in the past/ Your claim was just another lie? You know damn well you posted the suggestion at least and you know it!
George Black
2021-04-03 20:04:29 UTC
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Does anybody actually care about what Auckland needs?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300266645/no-decision-on-auckland-light-rail-as-government-opts-for-fresh-start-on-project
How about the council and the government actually doing something.
Whether that is light rail or not is becoming irrelevant as time passes.
Pathetic waste of time and resources.
Quick learners who make a success of things (Mao/Xi Jinping, anyone?) know that for any individual or nation to advance and thrive, there's nothing to beat vision plus the long-term commitment based on a culture of foresight and the planning that goes with it. Regardless of party, spending every three-year cycle fretting over the next election is no way to run a country.
So speaks a Nazi now supporting another totalitarian government!
Giving an example of one thing is not tantamount to supporting another. In the case of China, progressive economic growth has been a direct result of an extraordinarily consistent vision plus long-term planning and coordinated financing and execution, these being the very essence of government by technocrats. The Chinese government are technocrats to a man.
They're communists and totalitarian Keith.
I support neither communism nor totalitarianism, which plain truth renders your reply as pointless as it is redundant in the given context.
Better by far that you do something more useful by expending your energies outlining a proposed alternative style of government for New Zealand, embodying all the recently-proven advantages of a technocracy but without any of the characteristics of communism and totalitarianism such as that of China.
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Post by James Christophers
I like my freedom....
Who wouldn't? Just think of it - there was a time when you h the democratic freedom to make a technocrat of yourself, perhaps even a technocrat running a democratically elected government.
But what actually happened? And why?
Had no interest in telling people how to run their lives Keith. Unlike you I believe in freedom!
Yet you have lived out your state-supported life in the New Zealand armed forces while unquestioningly taking orders from your superiors - about as centrally rule-driven and undemocratic as it gets!
And you look down on those to whom you mistakenly feel superior.
Thank goodness that people choose to join the military. Your assertion
that today's soldiers, or members of any of the forces, are
unquestioning is archaic. Perhaps you could explore modern military
ethics and customs.
Keith claims to have served with the Royal Navy Volunteer Reserve in his past.
First I've heard of it. Cite me, verbatim.
So you and your mates weren't shitting bricks in the North sea some time in the past/ Your claim was just another lie? You know damn well you posted the suggestion at least and you know it!
Wow. Our own walt
George Black
2021-04-02 19:15:42 UTC
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Post by Tony
Does anybody actually care about what Auckland needs?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300266645/no-decision-on-auckland-light-rail-as-government-opts-for-fresh-start-on-project
How about the council and the government actually doing something.
Whether that is light rail or not is becoming irrelevant as time passes.
Pathetic waste of time and resources.
Quick learners who make a success of things (Mao/Xi Jinping, anyone?) know that for any individual or nation to advance and thrive, there's nothing to beat vision plus the long-term commitment based on a culture of foresight and the planning that goes with it. Regardless of party, spending every three-year cycle fretting over the next election is no way to run a country.
So speaks a Nazi now supporting another totalitarian government!
Giving an example of one thing is not tantamount to supporting another. In the case of China, progressive economic growth has been a direct result of an extraordinarily consistent vision plus long-term planning and coordinated financing and execution, these being the very essence of government by technocrats. The Chinese government are technocrats to a man.
They're communists and totalitarian Keith.
I support neither communism nor totalitarianism, which plain truth renders your reply as pointless as it is redundant in the given context.
Better by far that you do something more useful by expending your energies outlining a proposed alternative style of government for New Zealand, embodying all the recently-proven advantages of a technocracy but without any of the characteristics of communism and totalitarianism such as that of China.
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Post by James Christophers
I like my freedom....
Who wouldn't? Just think of it - there was a time when you h the democratic freedom to make a technocrat of yourself, perhaps even a technocrat running a democratically elected government.
But what actually happened? And why?
Had no interest in telling people how to run their lives Keith. Unlike you I believe in freedom!
Yet you have lived out your state-supported life in the New Zealand armed forces while unquestioningly taking orders from your superiors - about as centrally rule-driven and undemocratic as it gets!
And you look down on those to whom you mistakenly feel superior.
Thank goodness that people choose to join the military. Your assertion
that today's soldiers, or members of any of the forces, are
unquestioning is archaic. Perhaps you could explore modern military
ethics and customs.
He is one of those that, when the shit hits the fan, will be running in
search of the military he claims to despise.
And, if it weren't for that undemocratic military he'd be speaking Japanese
John Bowes
2021-04-02 03:44:02 UTC
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Does anybody actually care about what Auckland needs?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300266645/no-decision-on-auckland-light-rail-as-government-opts-for-fresh-start-on-project
How about the council and the government actually doing something.
Whether that is light rail or not is becoming irrelevant as time passes.
Pathetic waste of time and resources.
Quick learners who make a success of things (Mao/Xi Jinping, anyone?) know that for any individual or nation to advance and thrive, there's nothing to beat vision plus the long-term commitment based on a culture of foresight and the planning that goes with it. Regardless of party, spending every three-year cycle fretting over the next election is no way to run a country.
So speaks a Nazi now supporting another totalitarian government!
Giving an example of one thing is not tantamount to supporting another. In the case of China, progressive economic growth has been a direct result of an extraordinarily consistent vision plus long-term planning and coordinated financing and execution, these being the very essence of government by technocrats. The Chinese government are technocrats to a man.
They're communists and totalitarian Keith.
I support neither communism nor totalitarianism, which plain truth renders your reply as pointless as it is redundant in the given context.
Your behaviour in this ng would indicate you are lying Keith!
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Better by far that you do something more useful by expending your energies outlining a proposed alternative style of government for New Zealand, embodying all the recently-proven advantages of a technocracy but without any of the characteristics of communism and totalitarianism such as that of China.
BULLSHIT! NO country needs a bullying, totalitarian Communist (or Marxist or Socialist) government Keith AND YOU KNOW IT !
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I like my freedom....
Who wouldn't? Just think of it - there was a time when you h the democratic freedom to make a technocrat of yourself, perhaps even a technocrat running a democratically elected government.
But what actually happened? And why?
Had no interest in telling people how to run their lives Keith. Unlike you I believe in freedom!
Yet you have lived out your state-supported life in the New Zealand armed forces while unquestioningly taking orders from your superiors - about as centrally rule-driven and undemocratic as it gets!
Once again you show what a stupid lying Nazi prick you are!
Crash
2021-04-02 00:24:14 UTC
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Post by Tony
Does anybody actually care about what Auckland needs?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300266645/no-decision-on-auckland-light-rail-as-government-opts-for-fresh-start-on-project
How about the council and the government actually doing something.
Whether that is light rail or not is becoming irrelevant as time passes.
Pathetic waste of time and resources.
Quick learners who make a success of things (Mao/Xi Jinping, anyone?) know that for any individual or nation to advance and thrive, there's nothing to beat vision plus the long-term commitment based on a culture of foresight and the planning that goes with it. Regardless of party, spending every three-year cycle fretting over the next election is no way to run a country.
There is nothing stopping any political party from outlining a plan
more than 3 years into the future. If elected, they can tweak the
plan as needed and run for re-election based on their record to date.
The fact that almost no party has long-term plans (forecasting by
Government departments does not count) speaks volumes about their lack
of vision and/or their unwillingness to be held to account on such
long-term plans.

The length of the electoral cycle not directly relevant, but it does
determine the frequency that the voters get to review progress.

While China leadership may have steered the country on a prosperous
path, they have the luxury of never needing the approval of the
voters. The plan is THE PLAN.


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Gordon
2021-04-03 04:00:18 UTC
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Post by Tony
Does anybody actually care about what Auckland needs?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300266645/no-decision-on-auckland-light-rail-as-government-opts-for-fresh-start-on-project
How about the council and the government actually doing something.
Whether that is light rail or not is becoming irrelevant as time passes.
Pathetic waste of time and resources.
Quick learners who make a success of things (Mao/Xi Jinping, anyone?) know that for any individual or nation to advance and thrive, there's nothing to beat vision plus the long-term commitment based on a culture of foresight and the planning that goes with it. Regardless of party, spending every three-year cycle fretting over the next election is no way to run a country.
There is nothing stopping any political party from outlining a plan
more than 3 years into the future. If elected, they can tweak the
plan as needed and run for re-election based on their record to date.
The fact that almost no party has long-term plans (forecasting by
Government departments does not count) speaks volumes about their lack
of vision and/or their unwillingness to be held to account on such
long-term plans.
The length of the electoral cycle not directly relevant, but it does
determine the frequency that the voters get to review progress.
I think part of this issue is that the voters also have no vision of we
as a country are headed. No vision of where we want to be in 10, 20 years.

If we did we could make a start on the Housing Crisis, raising the living
standards of the bottom and how to build our cities. What will be needed and
when?

The issues can be debated and plans altered as time governs, but there is a
sense of control and destiny. One could argue that the Greens are about the
only ones with any vision. At least they have some ideas which involve
vision. Maybe they are all not workable but it is start.

We seem to be in a phase of knee jerking to issues rather have a Government
which leads.
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