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Our spineless PM
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Crash
2020-03-06 22:25:12 UTC
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Spineless because she does not exercise her authority to stand down an
MP for outrageous behaviour:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12314407

She must know she has the authority to do this. The published
Coalition Agreement with NZF specifies that Winston is to be Deputy PM
etc. and that NZF will have a specific count of Ministers etc. Shane
Jones can therefore be stood down and another NZF MP can take his
roles while he is stood down.

Note to Rich: this is not about Shane Jones behaviour. It is about
the PM choosing not to do what she clearly has the power to do. She
appears to be under the misapprehension that she cannot stand down NZF
Ministers. If this is correct, that limitation can only be in an
unpublished Coalition Agreement.


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Tony
2020-03-06 22:29:55 UTC
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Post by Crash
Spineless because she does not exercise her authority to stand down an
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12314407
She must know she has the authority to do this. The published
Coalition Agreement with NZF specifies that Winston is to be Deputy PM
etc. and that NZF will have a specific count of Ministers etc. Shane
Jones can therefore be stood down and another NZF MP can take his
roles while he is stood down.
Note to Rich: this is not about Shane Jones behaviour. It is about
the PM choosing not to do what she clearly has the power to do. She
appears to be under the misapprehension that she cannot stand down NZF
Ministers. If this is correct, that limitation can only be in an
unpublished Coalition Agreement.
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Crash McBash
I would go further.
If there is an agreement that precludes the PM from reprimanding or dismissing
a minister for unacceptable behaviour then that agreement must be made public.
To not do so offends our democracy.
John Bowes
2020-03-07 19:38:23 UTC
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Post by Crash
Spineless because she does not exercise her authority to stand down an
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12314407
She must know she has the authority to do this. The published
Coalition Agreement with NZF specifies that Winston is to be Deputy PM
etc. and that NZF will have a specific count of Ministers etc. Shane
Jones can therefore be stood down and another NZF MP can take his
roles while he is stood down.
Note to Rich: this is not about Shane Jones behaviour. It is about
the PM choosing not to do what she clearly has the power to do. She
appears to be under the misapprehension that she cannot stand down NZF
Ministers. If this is correct, that limitation can only be in an
unpublished Coalition Agreement.
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Crash McBash
I would go further.
If there is an agreement that precludes the PM from reprimanding or dismissing
a minister for unacceptable behaviour then that agreement must be made public.
To not do so offends our democracy.
Not to mention highlighting the corruption of the Labour partry!
Gordon
2020-03-06 23:12:35 UTC
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Post by Crash
Spineless because she does not exercise her authority to stand down an
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12314407
She must know she has the authority to do this. The published
Coalition Agreement with NZF specifies that Winston is to be Deputy PM
etc. and that NZF will have a specific count of Ministers etc. Shane
Jones can therefore be stood down and another NZF MP can take his
roles while he is stood down.
Note to Rich: this is not about Shane Jones behaviour. It is about
the PM choosing not to do what she clearly has the power to do. She
appears to be under the misapprehension that she cannot stand down NZF
Ministers. If this is correct, that limitation can only be in an
unpublished Coalition Agreement.
Okay, how about this for an idea, Shane Jones leader tells Shane Jones to
buck his ideas up or demotion will follow. Nah, would never work.

The idea that each party keeps its members within the acceptable envelope of
behaviour is really just common sense. Yes, I know it is in limited supply.
Crash
2020-03-07 00:47:20 UTC
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Post by Crash
Spineless because she does not exercise her authority to stand down an
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12314407
She must know she has the authority to do this. The published
Coalition Agreement with NZF specifies that Winston is to be Deputy PM
etc. and that NZF will have a specific count of Ministers etc. Shane
Jones can therefore be stood down and another NZF MP can take his
roles while he is stood down.
Note to Rich: this is not about Shane Jones behaviour. It is about
the PM choosing not to do what she clearly has the power to do. She
appears to be under the misapprehension that she cannot stand down NZF
Ministers. If this is correct, that limitation can only be in an
unpublished Coalition Agreement.
Okay, how about this for an idea, Shane Jones leader tells Shane Jones to
buck his ideas up or demotion will follow. Nah, would never work.
Yeah - Winston does this to non-NZF MPs and NZF MPs who have seriously
pissed him off.
Post by Gordon
The idea that each party keeps its members within the acceptable envelope of
behaviour is really just common sense. Yes, I know it is in limited supply.
Yes - in every party politics trumps common sense.


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George
2020-03-07 19:03:50 UTC
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On Sat, 07 Mar 2020 13:47:20 +1300
Post by Crash
Post by Gordon
Post by Crash
Spineless because she does not exercise her authority to stand
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12314407
She must know she has the authority to do this. The published
Coalition Agreement with NZF specifies that Winston is to be
Deputy PM etc. and that NZF will have a specific count of
Ministers etc. Shane Jones can therefore be stood down and
another NZF MP can take his roles while he is stood down.
Note to Rich: this is not about Shane Jones behaviour. It is about
the PM choosing not to do what she clearly has the power to do.
She appears to be under the misapprehension that she cannot stand
down NZF Ministers. If this is correct, that limitation can only
be in an unpublished Coalition Agreement.
Okay, how about this for an idea, Shane Jones leader tells Shane
Jones to buck his ideas up or demotion will follow. Nah, would never
work.
Yeah - Winston does this to non-NZF MPs and NZF MPs who have seriously
pissed him off.
Post by Gordon
The idea that each party keeps its members within the acceptable
envelope of behaviour is really just common sense. Yes, I know it is
in limited supply.
Yes - in every party politics trumps common sense.
If politicians from another party piss Peters off he spends hours
threatening them with 'what he knows' across the House...
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John Bowes
2020-03-07 19:43:22 UTC
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Post by George
On Sat, 07 Mar 2020 13:47:20 +1300
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Post by Crash
Spineless because she does not exercise her authority to stand
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12314407
She must know she has the authority to do this. The published
Coalition Agreement with NZF specifies that Winston is to be
Deputy PM etc. and that NZF will have a specific count of
Ministers etc. Shane Jones can therefore be stood down and
another NZF MP can take his roles while he is stood down.
Note to Rich: this is not about Shane Jones behaviour. It is about
the PM choosing not to do what she clearly has the power to do.
She appears to be under the misapprehension that she cannot stand
down NZF Ministers. If this is correct, that limitation can only
be in an unpublished Coalition Agreement.
Okay, how about this for an idea, Shane Jones leader tells Shane
Jones to buck his ideas up or demotion will follow. Nah, would never
work.
Yeah - Winston does this to non-NZF MPs and NZF MPs who have seriously
pissed him off.
Post by Gordon
The idea that each party keeps its members within the acceptable
envelope of behaviour is really just common sense. Yes, I know it is
in limited supply.
Yes - in every party politics trumps common sense.
If politicians from another party piss Peters off he spends hours
threatening them with 'what he knows' across the House...
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Funny how the silly old fraudster never seems to be willing to produce the evidence to support his claims. The old fools just full of wind and the sooner he's retired the sooner the stench of corruption from Wellington will diminish :)
John Bowes
2020-03-07 19:41:06 UTC
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Post by Crash
Spineless because she does not exercise her authority to stand down an
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12314407
She must know she has the authority to do this. The published
Coalition Agreement with NZF specifies that Winston is to be Deputy PM
etc. and that NZF will have a specific count of Ministers etc. Shane
Jones can therefore be stood down and another NZF MP can take his
roles while he is stood down.
Note to Rich: this is not about Shane Jones behaviour. It is about
the PM choosing not to do what she clearly has the power to do. She
appears to be under the misapprehension that she cannot stand down NZF
Ministers. If this is correct, that limitation can only be in an
unpublished Coalition Agreement.
Okay, how about this for an idea, Shane Jones leader tells Shane Jones to
buck his ideas up or demotion will follow. Nah, would never work.
The idea that each party keeps its members within the acceptable envelope of
behaviour is really just common sense. Yes, I know it is in limited supply.
The point is Ardern is the PM and has the right to dismiss troublesome MP's irrespective of how much she needs a party to support hers. Besides at this time it matters not whether NZFraud supports her government!
George
2020-03-07 19:00:54 UTC
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On Sat, 07 Mar 2020 11:25:12 +1300
Post by Crash
Spineless because she does not exercise her authority to stand down an
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12314407
She must know she has the authority to do this. The published
Coalition Agreement with NZF specifies that Winston is to be Deputy PM
etc. and that NZF will have a specific count of Ministers etc. Shane
Jones can therefore be stood down and another NZF MP can take his
roles while he is stood down.
Note to Rich: this is not about Shane Jones behaviour. It is about
the PM choosing not to do what she clearly has the power to do. She
appears to be under the misapprehension that she cannot stand down NZF
Ministers. If this is correct, that limitation can only be in an
unpublished Coalition Agreement.
She does anything Peters pulls the peters party out of the 'coalition'
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