Discussion:
Hone, The MP and The Race Relations Commission
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John Cawston
2009-11-11 04:16:55 UTC
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DPF has kindly posted the actions that RRC, Hone and the Maori
Party will undoubtedly be taking.

JC

"This morning the Human Rights Commission kindly posted what
action was taken following Paul Holmes’ “racial slur” of then
Secretary-General of the UN, Kofi Anan – back in 2003. To put it
neatly, Joris “informally mediated” (his words) the following to
occur:

* 1. Paul Holmes and the station would write a personal
letter of apology to Kofi Annan
* 2. Paul Holmes would offer to meet with the Ghanaian
Association of New Zealand
* 3. The Race Relations Commissioner would be invited to
address a seminar for radio hosts and production staff on race
relations and broadcasting standards
* 4. Newstalk ZB would in general uphold the complaints
it had received rather than contest them before the Broadcasting
Standards Authority
* 5. Newstalk ZB would continue to look at ways to
promote positive race relations in New Zealand through its
programme of community support
* 6. Newstalk ZB would adopt a new policy for its staff,
who were in a position to lead and shape opinion, that judgments
based solely on race, colour or creed were offensive and would
not be tolerated.

Given that the Commission and de Bres have said they have
received a large number of complaints (250) about Harawira’s
comments what action will the Commission seek from Hone Harawira
and the Maori Party?

At the moment Joris has said the Maori Party need to distance
itself from Hone. Joris says he will “aid and continue to
monitor the situation”. Joris also says that Hone’s comment
aren’t actually illegal under the Act -

Hmmm… is this what Joris said when Holmes was the culprit of a
similar racial slur?

“It is a free country but people who have positions of
responsibility.. should also exercise their responsibility
appropriately.”

So, Joris, given that Hone is in a position of responsibility did
he exercise that responsibility appropriately?

I’m looking forward to the following deal “informally mediated”
by Joris:

* 1. [Hone Harawira and the Maori Party] would write a
personal letter of apology to [Pakeha New Zealanders]
* 2. [Hone Harawira] would offer to meet with the
[Leaders of the Pakeha community]
* 3. The Race Relations Commissioner would be invited to
address a seminar for [Hone Harawira and the Maori Party (and any
other MP)] on race relations
* 4. [The NZ Parliament and the Maori Party] would in
general uphold the complaints it had received rather than contest
them before [the NZ public]
* 5. [The Maori Party and Hone Harawira] would continue
to look at ways to promote positive race relations in New Zealand
* 6. [The Maori Party] would adopt a new policy for its
[MPs] who were in a position to lead and shape opinion, that
judgments based solely on race, colour or creed were offensive
and would not be tolerated.

While it is true that the Holmes case referred specifically to a
broadcast, Hone Harawira effectively allowed for his words to be
published when he told Buddy Mikaere to go to the media with them.

Is this a double standard? Not yet. I’m sure Joris is working
hard behind the scenes… somewhere.
bubba ray
2009-11-11 04:27:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Cawston
DPF has kindly posted the actions that RRC, Hone and the Maori
Party will undoubtedly be taking.
JC
"This morning the Human Rights Commission kindly posted what
action was taken following Paul Holmes’ “racial slur” of then
Secretary-General of the UN, Kofi Anan – back in 2003.  To put it
neatly, Joris “informally mediated” (his words) the following to
         * 1. Paul Holmes and the station would write a personal
letter of apology to Kofi Annan
         * 2. Paul Holmes would offer to meet with the Ghanaian
Association of New Zealand
         * 3. The Race Relations Commissioner would be invited to
address a seminar for radio hosts and production staff on race
relations and broadcasting standards
         * 4. Newstalk ZB would in general uphold the complaints
it had received rather than contest them before the Broadcasting
Standards Authority
         * 5. Newstalk ZB would continue to look at ways to
promote positive race relations in New Zealand through its
programme of community support
         * 6. Newstalk ZB would adopt a new policy for its staff,
who were in a position to lead and shape opinion, that judgments
based solely on race, colour or creed were offensive and would
not be tolerated.
Given that the Commission and de Bres have said they have
received a large number of complaints (250) about Harawira’s
comments what action will the Commission seek from Hone Harawira
and the Maori Party?
At the moment Joris has said the Maori Party need to distance
itself from Hone.  Joris says he will “aid and continue to
monitor the situation”.  Joris also says that Hone’s comment
aren’t actually illegal under the Act -
Hmmm… is this what Joris said when Holmes was the culprit of a
similar racial slur?
     “It is a free country but people who have positions of
responsibility.. should also exercise their responsibility
appropriately.”
So, Joris, given that Hone is in a position of responsibility did
he exercise that responsibility appropriately?
I’m looking forward to the following deal “informally mediated”
         * 1. [Hone Harawira and the Maori Party] would write a
personal letter of apology to [Pakeha New Zealanders]
         * 2. [Hone Harawira] would offer to meet with the
[Leaders of the Pakeha community]
         * 3. The Race Relations Commissioner would be invited to
address a seminar for [Hone Harawira and the Maori Party (and any
other MP)] on race relations
         * 4. [The NZ Parliament and the Maori Party] would in
general uphold the complaints it had received rather than contest
them before [the NZ public]
         * 5. [The Maori Party and Hone Harawira] would continue
to look at ways to promote positive race relations in New Zealand
         * 6. [The Maori Party] would adopt a new policy for its
[MPs] who were in a position to lead and shape opinion, that
judgments based solely on race, colour or creed were offensive
and would not be tolerated.
While it is true that the Holmes case referred specifically to a
broadcast, Hone Harawira effectively allowed for his words to be
published when he told Buddy Mikaere to go to the media with them.
Is this a double standard?  Not yet.  I’m sure Joris is working
hard behind the scenes… somewhere.
Great post. I suspected the RRC was being hypocritical but didn't have
any evidence.
Sailor Sam
2009-11-11 04:48:28 UTC
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Post by bubba ray
Post by John Cawston
DPF has kindly posted the actions that RRC, Hone and the Maori
Party will undoubtedly be taking.
JC
"This morning the Human Rights Commission kindly posted what
action was taken following Paul Holmes’ “racial slur” of then
Secretary-General of the UN, Kofi Anan – back in 2003. To put it
neatly, Joris “informally mediated” (his words) the following to
* 1. Paul Holmes and the station would write a personal
letter of apology to Kofi Annan
* 2. Paul Holmes would offer to meet with the Ghanaian
Association of New Zealand
* 3. The Race Relations Commissioner would be invited to
address a seminar for radio hosts and production staff on race
relations and broadcasting standards
* 4. Newstalk ZB would in general uphold the complaints
it had received rather than contest them before the Broadcasting
Standards Authority
* 5. Newstalk ZB would continue to look at ways to
promote positive race relations in New Zealand through its
programme of community support
* 6. Newstalk ZB would adopt a new policy for its staff,
who were in a position to lead and shape opinion, that judgments
based solely on race, colour or creed were offensive and would
not be tolerated.
Given that the Commission and de Bres have said they have
received a large number of complaints (250) about Harawira’s
comments what action will the Commission seek from Hone Harawira
and the Maori Party?
At the moment Joris has said the Maori Party need to distance
itself from Hone. Joris says he will “aid and continue to
monitor the situation”. Joris also says that Hone’s comment
aren’t actually illegal under the Act -
Hmmm… is this what Joris said when Holmes was the culprit of a
similar racial slur?
“It is a free country but people who have positions of
responsibility.. should also exercise their responsibility
appropriately.”
So, Joris, given that Hone is in a position of responsibility did
he exercise that responsibility appropriately?
I’m looking forward to the following deal “informally mediated”
* 1. [Hone Harawira and the Maori Party] would write a
personal letter of apology to [Pakeha New Zealanders]
* 2. [Hone Harawira] would offer to meet with the
[Leaders of the Pakeha community]
* 3. The Race Relations Commissioner would be invited to
address a seminar for [Hone Harawira and the Maori Party (and any
other MP)] on race relations
* 4. [The NZ Parliament and the Maori Party] would in
general uphold the complaints it had received rather than contest
them before [the NZ public]
* 5. [The Maori Party and Hone Harawira] would continue
to look at ways to promote positive race relations in New Zealand
* 6. [The Maori Party] would adopt a new policy for its
[MPs] who were in a position to lead and shape opinion, that
judgments based solely on race, colour or creed were offensive
and would not be tolerated.
While it is true that the Holmes case referred specifically to a
broadcast, Hone Harawira effectively allowed for his words to be
published when he told Buddy Mikaere to go to the media with them.
Is this a double standard? Not yet. I’m sure Joris is working
hard behind the scenes… somewhere.
Great post. I suspected the RRC was being hypocritical but didn't have
any evidence.
It's nothing like Paul Holmes 'cheeky darkie' affair, on the grounds
that Paul was describing an individual with racist language.

There /is/ however relevant precedent. John Carter (National) who
impersonated a 'work shy' maori in a phone call to his friend's radio
show (John Banks)[1]. Then Helen Clark called for John Carter to be
sacked[2], and now Phil Goff is calling for Hone Harawira to be sacked.

But, what actually happened was "Carter was sacked as Whip in 1995,
after he phoned into a talkback radio show, hosted by fellow National MP
John Banks, impersonating a workshy Māori called Hone, causing
widespread offence."[3]

Only lost his job within the party, nothing else.

[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Banks_(New_Zealand)
[2]
http://www.soundarchives.co.nz/search_databases?sq_content_src=%2BdXJsPWh0dHAlM0ElMkYlMkZzZWFyY2guc291bmRhcmNoaXZlcy5jby5ueiUyRnJlbW90ZS1EZXRhaWxzLmFzcCUzRmN1cnJlbnRwYWdlJTNEMSUyNmlkJTNEMTk4NjIlMjZtb3JlJTNEYWQmYWxsPTE%3D
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carter_(New_Zealand)
Someone
2009-11-11 09:20:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Cawston
DPF has kindly posted the actions that RRC, Hone and the
Maori
Post by John Cawston
Party will undoubtedly be taking.
JC
"This morning the Human Rights Commission kindly posted
what
Post by John Cawston
action was taken following Paul Holmes' "racial slur" of
then
Post by John Cawston
Secretary-General of the UN, Kofi Anan - back in 2003. To
put it
Post by John Cawston
neatly, Joris "informally mediated" (his words) the
following to
Post by John Cawston
* 1. Paul Holmes and the station would write a
personal
Post by John Cawston
letter of apology to Kofi Annan
* 2. Paul Holmes would offer to meet with the
Ghanaian
Post by John Cawston
Association of New Zealand
* 3. The Race Relations Commissioner would be
invited to
Post by John Cawston
address a seminar for radio hosts and production staff on
race
Post by John Cawston
relations and broadcasting standards
* 4. Newstalk ZB would in general uphold the
complaints
Post by John Cawston
it had received rather than contest them before the
Broadcasting
Post by John Cawston
Standards Authority
* 5. Newstalk ZB would continue to look at ways
to
Post by John Cawston
promote positive race relations in New Zealand through its
programme of community support
* 6. Newstalk ZB would adopt a new policy for its
staff,
Post by John Cawston
who were in a position to lead and shape opinion, that
judgments
Post by John Cawston
based solely on race, colour or creed were offensive and
would
Post by John Cawston
not be tolerated.
Given that the Commission and de Bres have said they have
received a large number of complaints (250) about
Harawira's
Post by John Cawston
comments what action will the Commission seek from Hone
Harawira
Post by John Cawston
and the Maori Party?
At the moment Joris has said the Maori Party need to
distance
Post by John Cawston
itself from Hone. Joris says he will "aid and continue to
monitor the situation". Joris also says that Hone's
comment
Post by John Cawston
aren't actually illegal under the Act -
Hmmm. is this what Joris said when Holmes was the culprit
of a
Post by John Cawston
similar racial slur?
"It is a free country but people who have positions
of
Post by John Cawston
responsibility.. should also exercise their responsibility
appropriately."
So, Joris, given that Hone is in a position of
responsibility did
Post by John Cawston
he exercise that responsibility appropriately?
I'm looking forward to the following deal "informally
mediated"
Post by John Cawston
* 1. [Hone Harawira and the Maori Party] would
write a
Post by John Cawston
personal letter of apology to [Pakeha New Zealanders]
* 2. [Hone Harawira] would offer to meet with the
[Leaders of the Pakeha community]
* 3. The Race Relations Commissioner would be
invited to
Post by John Cawston
address a seminar for [Hone Harawira and the Maori Party
(and any
Post by John Cawston
other MP)] on race relations
* 4. [The NZ Parliament and the Maori Party]
would in
Post by John Cawston
general uphold the complaints it had received rather than
contest
Post by John Cawston
them before [the NZ public]
* 5. [The Maori Party and Hone Harawira] would
continue
Post by John Cawston
to look at ways to promote positive race relations in New
Zealand
Post by John Cawston
* 6. [The Maori Party] would adopt a new policy
for its
Post by John Cawston
[MPs] who were in a position to lead and shape opinion,
that
Post by John Cawston
judgments based solely on race, colour or creed were
offensive
Post by John Cawston
and would not be tolerated.
While it is true that the Holmes case referred
specifically to a
Post by John Cawston
broadcast, Hone Harawira effectively allowed for his words
to be
Post by John Cawston
published when he told Buddy Mikaere to go to the media
with them.
Post by John Cawston
Is this a double standard? Not yet. I'm sure Joris is
working
Post by John Cawston
hard behind the scenes. somewhere.
Great post, forwarded to ***@hrc.co.nz for interests sake.


I also sent an email to hones email address expressing my
disgust and making sure he knew
how grateful I was my son wasn't old enough to see leaders
addressing issues in this way and
asking how he would feel if his children and grandchildren
followed his example.

I also asked as a member of the public, for him to show some
class and resign because he was clearly unfit to
lead and shape NZ policy.

Won't do any good I suspect but hey, made me feel a little
better.

All done with polite and professional tones.

I would encourage you all to voice your calm opinions to
your leaders!
David
2009-11-12 04:41:22 UTC
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Post by John Cawston
DPF has kindly posted the actions that RRC, Hone and the Maori
Party will undoubtedly be taking.
If the RRC investigated alleged all racial slurs in private
communications
between two individuals then that department would be digger than
the Education and health ministries put together...!
John Cawston
2009-11-12 05:31:23 UTC
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Post by David
Post by John Cawston
DPF has kindly posted the actions that RRC, Hone and the Maori
Party will undoubtedly be taking.
If the RRC investigated alleged all racial slurs in private
communications
between two individuals
This was not a private communication. Hone approved and
recommended it be made public.

JC

then that department would be digger than
Post by David
the Education and health ministries put together...!
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