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Interesting NZ 'Child Poverty' numbers from Stats NZ
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Crash
2020-02-26 21:55:03 UTC
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https://dpmc.govt.nz/our-programmes/reducing-child-poverty

A very well-intentioned initiative, but it is not working. Scroll
down to the numbers for 2019 (which actually report the latest year
but also all years going back to 2013) and click on the link. Scroll
down to the first table and click on the TABLE tab. The core measures
are (a), (b) and (c) are all higher (worse) than in 2017.

So whatever measures Minister (and PM) Ardern have put in place are
not only not working but have reversed a downward trend between 2013
and 2017.


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George
2020-02-26 23:30:32 UTC
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On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 10:55:03 +1300
Post by Crash
https://dpmc.govt.nz/our-programmes/reducing-child-poverty
A very well-intentioned initiative, but it is not working. Scroll
down to the numbers for 2019 (which actually report the latest year
but also all years going back to 2013) and click on the link. Scroll
down to the first table and click on the TABLE tab. The core measures
are (a), (b) and (c) are all higher (worse) than in 2017.
So whatever measures Minister (and PM) Ardern have put in place are
not only not working but have reversed a downward trend between 2013
and 2017.
Just saw the news.
Did you know that two lies (sorry, two pies) is promising at least 10
cents off a liter. Should come in around the elections
John Bowes
2020-02-27 00:07:01 UTC
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Post by George
On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 10:55:03 +1300
Post by Crash
https://dpmc.govt.nz/our-programmes/reducing-child-poverty
A very well-intentioned initiative, but it is not working. Scroll
down to the numbers for 2019 (which actually report the latest year
but also all years going back to 2013) and click on the link. Scroll
down to the first table and click on the TABLE tab. The core measures
are (a), (b) and (c) are all higher (worse) than in 2017.
So whatever measures Minister (and PM) Ardern have put in place are
not only not working but have reversed a downward trend between 2013
and 2017.
Just saw the news.
Did you know that two lies (sorry, two pies) is promising at least 10
cents off a liter. Should come in around the elections
The only thing they don't seem to be interested in doing is lowering the bloody tax grab on fuels! Typical but watch Rich troll tell us how great the government he claims not to support is :)
George
2020-02-27 19:16:23 UTC
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On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:07:01 -0800 (PST)
Post by John Bowes
Post by George
On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 10:55:03 +1300
Post by Crash
https://dpmc.govt.nz/our-programmes/reducing-child-poverty
A very well-intentioned initiative, but it is not working. Scroll
down to the numbers for 2019 (which actually report the latest
year but also all years going back to 2013) and click on the
link. Scroll down to the first table and click on the TABLE
tab. The core measures are (a), (b) and (c) are all higher
(worse) than in 2017.
So whatever measures Minister (and PM) Ardern have put in place
are not only not working but have reversed a downward trend
between 2013 and 2017.
Just saw the news.
Did you know that two lies (sorry, two pies) is promising at least
10 cents off a liter. Should come in around the elections
The only thing they don't seem to be interested in doing is lowering
the bloody tax grab on fuels! Typical but watch Rich troll tell us
how great the government he claims not to support is :)
If the current lot wanted to look good why not reduce their 'duty' on
fuel???
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Rich80105
2020-02-27 19:40:22 UTC
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Post by George
On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:07:01 -0800 (PST)
Post by John Bowes
Post by George
On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 10:55:03 +1300
Post by Crash
https://dpmc.govt.nz/our-programmes/reducing-child-poverty
A very well-intentioned initiative, but it is not working. Scroll
down to the numbers for 2019 (which actually report the latest
year but also all years going back to 2013) and click on the
link. Scroll down to the first table and click on the TABLE
tab. The core measures are (a), (b) and (c) are all higher
(worse) than in 2017.
So whatever measures Minister (and PM) Ardern have put in place
are not only not working but have reversed a downward trend
between 2013 and 2017.
Just saw the news.
Did you know that two lies (sorry, two pies) is promising at least
10 cents off a liter. Should come in around the elections
The only thing they don't seem to be interested in doing is lowering
the bloody tax grab on fuels! Typical but watch Rich troll tell us
how great the government he claims not to support is :)
If the current lot wanted to look good why not reduce their 'duty' on
fuel???
Probably the same reasons the rpevous government did - a lot of the
"duty" goes to pay for road maintenance and new transport projects -
the current government has been spending where it counts most, unlike
the vanity projects of the previous government.
Tony
2020-02-27 19:46:10 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by George
On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:07:01 -0800 (PST)
Post by John Bowes
Post by George
On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 10:55:03 +1300
Post by Crash
https://dpmc.govt.nz/our-programmes/reducing-child-poverty
A very well-intentioned initiative, but it is not working. Scroll
down to the numbers for 2019 (which actually report the latest
year but also all years going back to 2013) and click on the
link. Scroll down to the first table and click on the TABLE
tab. The core measures are (a), (b) and (c) are all higher
(worse) than in 2017.
So whatever measures Minister (and PM) Ardern have put in place
are not only not working but have reversed a downward trend
between 2013 and 2017.
Just saw the news.
Did you know that two lies (sorry, two pies) is promising at least
10 cents off a liter. Should come in around the elections
The only thing they don't seem to be interested in doing is lowering
the bloody tax grab on fuels! Typical but watch Rich troll tell us
how great the government he claims not to support is :)
If the current lot wanted to look good why not reduce their 'duty' on
fuel???
Probably the same reasons the rpevous government did - a lot of the
"duty" goes to pay for road maintenance and new transport projects -
the current government has been spending where it counts most, unlike
the vanity projects of the previous government.
Transmission gully is not a vanity project and neither are the Hamilton to
Auckland improvements and the Auckland road improvements, also the Kapiti
expressway. Nearly all approved during the last government.
John Bowes
2020-02-27 20:53:18 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by George
On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:07:01 -0800 (PST)
Post by John Bowes
Post by George
On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 10:55:03 +1300
Post by Crash
https://dpmc.govt.nz/our-programmes/reducing-child-poverty
A very well-intentioned initiative, but it is not working. Scroll
down to the numbers for 2019 (which actually report the latest
year but also all years going back to 2013) and click on the
link. Scroll down to the first table and click on the TABLE
tab. The core measures are (a), (b) and (c) are all higher
(worse) than in 2017.
So whatever measures Minister (and PM) Ardern have put in place
are not only not working but have reversed a downward trend
between 2013 and 2017.
Just saw the news.
Did you know that two lies (sorry, two pies) is promising at least
10 cents off a liter. Should come in around the elections
The only thing they don't seem to be interested in doing is lowering
the bloody tax grab on fuels! Typical but watch Rich troll tell us
how great the government he claims not to support is :)
If the current lot wanted to look good why not reduce their 'duty' on
fuel???
Probably the same reasons the rpevous government did - a lot of the
"duty" goes to pay for road maintenance and new transport projects -
the current government has been spending where it counts most, unlike
the vanity projects of the previous government.
So they're just claiming as theirs yet more projects the last government got started and Labour stopped? Don't be a bigger fool than usual Rich! A chunk of the revenue being gathered from fuel is for the traffic congestion creation Auckland's new tram system which like most of it's projects this so called government has now put on hold. Or is it they don't give a damn about anyone as long as they can grab 10% more revenue from all including non vehicle owners?
James Christophers
2020-02-27 00:43:07 UTC
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Post by Crash
https://dpmc.govt.nz/our-programmes/reducing-child-poverty
A very well-intentioned initiative, but it is not working. Scroll
down to the numbers for 2019 (which actually report the latest year
but also all years going back to 2013) and click on the link. Scroll
down to the first table and click on the TABLE tab. The core measures
are (a), (b) and (c) are all higher (worse) than in 2017.
So whatever measures Minister (and PM) Ardern have put in place are
not only not working but have reversed a downward trend between 2013
and 2017.
My current view is that the stats can only get worse since, with a world in chronic economic decline leading to lower plateau in activity and **real*** wealth creation, its effects can only run counter to and even negate government poverty initiatives.

But eventually, that pivotal meltdown moment arrives when the pace of societal deterioration outruns any affordable effort to lessen poverty and deprivation - rather like applying endless layers of corrosion treatment to a structure to far gone to be rescued.

Poverty also breeds fecundity and, with it, a presumed licence not only to overpopulate the low-income segment of society, but for too many members of that same segment to regard such irresponsible behaviour as a human right. As a result of pandering to this entrenched - often stridently claimed - sense of entitlement, New Zealand's shameful "single-breeder-mum-as-norm" has now become a gross and unwarranted burden on every New Zealander; since, for instance, she doesn't even share the same roof or table with her drive-by inseminator who, of course, is equally entitled to a roof for himself, shared or otherwise. Out and out madness - housing shortage, anyone???

With the best will in the world, no government of whatever stripe can outrun and reduce - let alone eliminate - such calculatedly self-indulgent behaviour when that same government simultaneously courts and sustains its perpetrators for no other reason than to gain or maintain a hold on power. In this sense, New Zealand is no less morally and ethically corrupt than any other nation.

So when it comes to New Zealand as the world's pious exemplar of moral and ethical rectitude, what price, exactly, Transparency International's Corruption **Perception** (my emphasis) Index, eh?
Rich80105
2020-02-27 01:41:43 UTC
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On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:43:07 -0800 (PST), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Crash
https://dpmc.govt.nz/our-programmes/reducing-child-poverty
A very well-intentioned initiative, but it is not working. Scroll
down to the numbers for 2019 (which actually report the latest year
but also all years going back to 2013) and click on the link. Scroll
down to the first table and click on the TABLE tab. The core measures
are (a), (b) and (c) are all higher (worse) than in 2017.
So whatever measures Minister (and PM) Ardern have put in place are
not only not working but have reversed a downward trend between 2013
and 2017.
My current view is that the stats can only get worse since, with a world in chronic economic decline leading to lower plateau in activity and **real*** wealth creation, its effects can only run counter to and even negate government poverty initiatives.
But eventually, that pivotal meltdown moment arrives when the pace of societal deterioration outruns any affordable effort to lessen poverty and deprivation - rather like applying endless layers of corrosion treatment to a structure to far gone to be rescued.
Poverty also breeds fecundity and, with it, a presumed licence not only to overpopulate the low-income segment of society, but for too many members of that same segment to regard such irresponsible behaviour as a human right. As a result of pandering to this entrenched - often stridently claimed - sense of entitlement, New Zealand's shameful "single-breeder-mum-as-norm" has now become a gross and unwarranted burden on every New Zealander; since, for instance, she doesn't even share the same roof or table with her drive-by inseminator who, of course, is equally entitled to a roof for himself, shared or otherwise. Out and out madness - housing shortage, anyone???
With the best will in the world, no government of whatever stripe can outrun and reduce - let alone eliminate - such calculatedly self-indulgent behaviour when that same government simultaneously courts and sustains its perpetrators for no other reason than to gain or maintain a hold on power. In this sense, New Zealand is no less morally and ethically corrupt than any other nation.
So when it comes to New Zealand as the world's pious exemplar of moral and ethical rectitude, what price, exactly, Transparency International's Corruption **Perception** (my emphasis) Index, eh?
First as I have said in answer to another post the statistics are
complex; those used by Labour are the general measurement used prior
to the Key/English governments (when they resisted all measures). The
reality is that by moving average wages up the goal shists, and we are
still seeing increasing inequality - in part through the effects of
the big increase in immigration, but also through gains going
disproportionately to renters (all those immigrants wanting homes),
and the lack of balance in investments though legal avoidance of tax
on capital gains for most property.

The increases in minimum wages and benefits (and I note the April
increaes willbe higher due to a basis change) have been higher than
expected, but so have rents . . .
Gordon
2020-02-27 04:26:51 UTC
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Post by Crash
https://dpmc.govt.nz/our-programmes/reducing-child-poverty
A very well-intentioned initiative, but it is not working. Scroll
down to the numbers for 2019 (which actually report the latest year
but also all years going back to 2013) and click on the link. Scroll
down to the first table and click on the TABLE tab. The core measures
are (a), (b) and (c) are all higher (worse) than in 2017.
So whatever measures Minister (and PM) Ardern have put in place are
not only not working but have reversed a downward trend between 2013
and 2017.
You can not say that they are not working, only that they have not made
things better.

Also if nothing had been done what would the numbers have been?
Crash
2020-02-27 07:32:27 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Post by Crash
https://dpmc.govt.nz/our-programmes/reducing-child-poverty
A very well-intentioned initiative, but it is not working. Scroll
down to the numbers for 2019 (which actually report the latest year
but also all years going back to 2013) and click on the link. Scroll
down to the first table and click on the TABLE tab. The core measures
are (a), (b) and (c) are all higher (worse) than in 2017.
So whatever measures Minister (and PM) Ardern have put in place are
not only not working but have reversed a downward trend between 2013
and 2017.
You can not say that they are not working,
Yes I can. The numbers from Stats that I cited are clear.
Post by Gordon
only that they have not made
things better.
Also if nothing had been done what would the numbers have been?
Again read the data I cited. Progress was being made up until 2017
and since they have got worse.


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George
2020-02-27 19:18:47 UTC
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On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 20:32:27 +1300
Post by Crash
Again read the data I cited. Progress was being made up until 2017
and since they have got worse.
And who has been 'running things' since 2017??????
Could rich elaborate as to who ????
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Crash
2020-02-27 20:57:53 UTC
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Post by George
On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 20:32:27 +1300
Post by Crash
Again read the data I cited. Progress was being made up until 2017
and since they have got worse.
And who has been 'running things' since 2017??????
Could rich elaborate as to who ????
The government has been Labour-led since then and child-poverty
reduction is government policy (ie a Labour party initiative not
blocked by NZF or the Greens). Their initiatives are worse in terms
of achievements measured by Stats than the previous governments of
which Rich is so dismissive.


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