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George Black
2021-09-03 19:49:38 UTC
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So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
Mutlley
2021-09-03 22:11:46 UTC
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Post by George Black
So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
A few I suspect but I see on Twotter that the Covinda supporters are
blaming John Key's government for this attack.

Didn't she just let one in the other week , a female version .
John Bowes
2021-09-03 22:22:50 UTC
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So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
A few I suspect but I see on Twotter that the Covinda supporters are
blaming John Key's government for this attack.
Didn't she just let one in the other week , a female version .
Labour and Rich blames National for almost all their stuff ups mate. :)
Gordon
2021-09-04 04:17:12 UTC
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Post by George Black
So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
A few I suspect but I see on Twotter that the Covinda supporters are
blaming John Key's government for this attack.
Didn't she just let one in the other week , a female version .
Labour and Rich blames National for almost all their stuff ups mate. :)
To date she has not gone postal. She may not. Sure it is a good idea to see
how she is settling in, but claim this as a stuff up is a bit early in the
peace.
John Bowes
2021-09-04 05:19:20 UTC
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Post by George Black
So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
A few I suspect but I see on Twotter that the Covinda supporters are
blaming John Key's government for this attack.
Didn't she just let one in the other week , a female version .
Labour and Rich blames National for almost all their stuff ups mate. :)
To date she has not gone postal. She may not. Sure it is a good idea to see
how she is settling in, but claim this as a stuff up is a bit early in the
peace.
She's a risk mate and always will be. She had her chance when she destroyed her passports. It's obvious she wasn't that interested in living in either Oz or here. The kind thing would have been to return her to a country that follows Islam!
James Christophers
2021-09-03 23:24:47 UTC
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Post by George Black
So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
A few I suspect but I see on Twotter that the Covinda supporters are
blaming John Key's government for this attack.
"In 2013 when (Judith Collins was Justice minister), she removed a review of counter-terrorism laws from the Law Commission's work programme saying "there does not appear to be any substantial or urgent concerns arising from the operation of the [Terrorism Suppression] Act. The gap in the law has existed across successive governments" - (NZ Herald 4 Sept 2012)

So, somehow, because a gap in the law had existed and still did under Collins's watch, then that was good enough for both her and the nation that had entrusted her with the stewardship of its super-critical security legislation.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/auckland-mall-terror-attack-judith-collins-defends-not-fixing-law-years-ago-calls-for-new-law-for-stripping-citizenship-residency/M43GD7LCYIELNNHXBGN5PQJB4U/

From this URL, we read an example of Collins's attitude to countering anti-terorrism in 2013. That very same point given above was raised during her "News special" interview with Kim Hill this morning on Nat Rad. Collins actually told Hill that going back to this issue that she had been in charge of "all of eight years ago" was beyond her powers of recall, or words to that effect.

So, with Collins's extraordinary cognitive lapse now up there in lights, consider that at the time Collins made the above decision the world was in the grip of a renewed ferment of terrorism and full-force armed anti-terrorisim measures - including the use of deadly force - were in place at all New Zealand international airports.

'Nuff said - except to add that it is axiomatic that the more institutionally lackadaisical and complacent any government or nation allows itself to be - and that includes dismissive and unaccountably amnesiac past Justice ministers - the more vulnerable that nation must be to unexpected events, this when global terrorism has been and still is every civilised nation's number one priority and concern
James Christophers
2021-09-03 23:26:33 UTC
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Post by George Black
So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
A few I suspect but I see on Twotter that the Covinda supporters are
blaming John Key's government for this attack.
"In 2013 when (Judith Collins was Justice minister), she removed a review of counter-terrorism laws from the Law Commission's work programme saying "there does not appear to be any substantial or urgent concerns arising from the operation of the [Terrorism Suppression] Act. The gap in the law has existed across successive governments" - (NZ Herald 4 Sept 2012)
So, somehow, because a gap in the law had existed and still did under Collins's watch, then that was good enough for both her and the nation that had entrusted her with the stewardship of its super-critical security legislation.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/auckland-mall-terror-attack-judith-collins-defends-not-fixing-law-years-ago-calls-for-new-law-for-stripping-citizenship-residency/M43GD7LCYIELNNHXBGN5PQJB4U/
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Post by James Christophers
From this URL, we read an example of Collins's attitude to countering terorrism in 2013. That very same point given above was raised during her "News special" interview with Kim Hill this morning on Nat Rad. Collins actually told Hill that going back to this issue that she had been in charge of "all of eight years ago" was beyond her powers of recall, or words to that effect.
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Post by James Christophers
So, with Collins's extraordinary cognitive lapse now up there in lights, consider that at the time Collins made the above decision the world was in the grip of a renewed ferment of terrorism and full-force armed anti-terrorisim measures - including the use of deadly force - were in place at all New Zealand international airports.
'Nuff said - except to add that it is axiomatic that the more institutionally lackadaisical and complacent any government or nation allows itself to be - and that includes dismissive and unaccountably amnesiac past Justice ministers - the more vulnerable that nation must be to unexpected events, this when global terrorism has been and still is every civilised nation's number one priority and concern
Rich80105
2021-09-04 00:18:14 UTC
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Post by George Black
So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
A few I suspect but I see on Twotter that the Covinda supporters are
blaming John Key's government for this attack.
Didn't she just let one in the other week , a female version .
Of dear, another idiot trying to foment division through childish
names and by trying to lay blame where it is not justified. Our police
did well, and would I believe have done exactly the same under the
previous John Key / Bill English governments. By descending to posting
belittling and unjustified attacks yourself you are showing that you
do not deserve the attention of nz.general readers. You should
apologise, Mutley; I know that you are capable of being better than
your last post.
John Bowes
2021-09-04 01:07:24 UTC
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Post by George Black
So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
A few I suspect but I see on Twotter that the Covinda supporters are
blaming John Key's government for this attack.
Didn't she just let one in the other week , a female version .
Of dear, another idiot trying to foment division through childish
names and by trying to lay blame where it is not justified. Our police
did well, and would I believe have done exactly the same under the
previous John Key / Bill English governments. By descending to posting
belittling and unjustified attacks yourself you are showing that you
do not deserve the attention of nz.general readers. You should
apologise, Mutley; I know that you are capable of being better than
your last post.
Talking crap as usual Rich! After all Ardern DID let another ISIS supporter in last week instead of having her shipped to some country like Iran that has supported ISIS! As is obvious we don't need the bastards here no matter how much simpering imbeciles like you and Ardern do!
Rich80105
2021-09-04 03:18:27 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by George Black
So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
A few I suspect but I see on Twotter that the Covinda supporters are
blaming John Key's government for this attack.
Didn't she just let one in the other week , a female version .
Of dear, another idiot trying to foment division through childish
names and by trying to lay blame where it is not justified. Our police
did well, and would I believe have done exactly the same under the
previous John Key / Bill English governments. By descending to posting
belittling and unjustified attacks yourself you are showing that you
do not deserve the attention of nz.general readers. You should
apologise, Mutley; I know that you are capable of being better than
your last post.
Talking crap as usual Rich! After all Ardern DID let another ISIS supporter in last week instead of having her shipped to some country like Iran that has supported ISIS! As is obvious we don't need the bastards here no matter how much simpering imbeciles like you and Ardern do!
Your ignorant rants are hardly much of themselves, but by trying to
foment division and your petulant ranting you are in fact little
better than the New Lynn attacker in trying to destroy the reputation
New Zealand has for impartialling treating all New Zealanders with
respect under our laws. You are also disrepectful to those that have
suffered from the result of differences of opinion leading to criminal
actions and personal harm. Sadly for you I can say that I do not think
you are capable of doing better.
John Bowes
2021-09-04 03:37:34 UTC
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On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 18:07:24 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by George Black
So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
A few I suspect but I see on Twotter that the Covinda supporters are
blaming John Key's government for this attack.
Didn't she just let one in the other week , a female version .
Of dear, another idiot trying to foment division through childish
names and by trying to lay blame where it is not justified. Our police
did well, and would I believe have done exactly the same under the
previous John Key / Bill English governments. By descending to posting
belittling and unjustified attacks yourself you are showing that you
do not deserve the attention of nz.general readers. You should
apologise, Mutley; I know that you are capable of being better than
your last post.
Talking crap as usual Rich! After all Ardern DID let another ISIS supporter in last week instead of having her shipped to some country like Iran that has supported ISIS! As is obvious we don't need the bastards here no matter how much simpering imbeciles like you and Ardern do!
Your ignorant rants are hardly much of themselves, but by trying to
foment division and your petulant ranting you are in fact little
better than the New Lynn attacker in trying to destroy the reputation
New Zealand has for impartialling treating all New Zealanders with
respect under our laws. You are also disrepectful to those that have
suffered from the result of differences of opinion leading to criminal
actions and personal harm. Sadly for you I can say that I do not think
you are capable of doing better.
Respect is earned Rich! I will and do show respect to those who earn it. Unfortunately for you and Keith you've NEVER earned it! So stop bullshiting about others and address your own failures which once again you claim to see in others!
Now are you suggesting that our fine police were criminal in stopping the ISIS imbecile? Because that's what it sounds like your doing and not for the first time. Now dry your fucking tears and have a look at the real world you cretinous fucking imbecile!
Rich80105
2021-09-04 04:09:31 UTC
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On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 18:07:24 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by George Black
So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
A few I suspect but I see on Twotter that the Covinda supporters are
blaming John Key's government for this attack.
Didn't she just let one in the other week , a female version .
Of dear, another idiot trying to foment division through childish
names and by trying to lay blame where it is not justified. Our police
did well, and would I believe have done exactly the same under the
previous John Key / Bill English governments. By descending to posting
belittling and unjustified attacks yourself you are showing that you
do not deserve the attention of nz.general readers. You should
apologise, Mutley; I know that you are capable of being better than
your last post.
Talking crap as usual Rich! After all Ardern DID let another ISIS supporter in last week instead of having her shipped to some country like Iran that has supported ISIS! As is obvious we don't need the bastards here no matter how much simpering imbeciles like you and Ardern do!
Your ignorant rants are hardly much of themselves, but by trying to
foment division and your petulant ranting you are in fact little
better than the New Lynn attacker in trying to destroy the reputation
New Zealand has for impartialling treating all New Zealanders with
respect under our laws. You are also disrepectful to those that have
suffered from the result of differences of opinion leading to criminal
actions and personal harm. Sadly for you I can say that I do not think
you are capable of doing better.
Respect is earned Rich! I will and do show respect to those who earn it. Unfortunately for you and Keith you've NEVER earned it! So stop bullshiting about others and address your own failures which once again you claim to see in others!
Now are you suggesting that our fine police were criminal in stopping the ISIS imbecile?
No I am not, you plonker. You appear to be incapable of
understanding simple English; nearly every post from you demonstrates
that you are incapable to understanding even simple messages.
Post by John Bowes
Because that's what it sounds like your doing and not for the first time. Now dry your fucking tears and have a look at the real world you cretinous fucking imbecile!
Give up, John Bowes. You understand nothing.
John Bowes
2021-09-04 05:21:02 UTC
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On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 20:37:34 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 18:07:24 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by George Black
So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
A few I suspect but I see on Twotter that the Covinda supporters are
blaming John Key's government for this attack.
Didn't she just let one in the other week , a female version .
Of dear, another idiot trying to foment division through childish
names and by trying to lay blame where it is not justified. Our police
did well, and would I believe have done exactly the same under the
previous John Key / Bill English governments. By descending to posting
belittling and unjustified attacks yourself you are showing that you
do not deserve the attention of nz.general readers. You should
apologise, Mutley; I know that you are capable of being better than
your last post.
Talking crap as usual Rich! After all Ardern DID let another ISIS supporter in last week instead of having her shipped to some country like Iran that has supported ISIS! As is obvious we don't need the bastards here no matter how much simpering imbeciles like you and Ardern do!
Your ignorant rants are hardly much of themselves, but by trying to
foment division and your petulant ranting you are in fact little
better than the New Lynn attacker in trying to destroy the reputation
New Zealand has for impartialling treating all New Zealanders with
respect under our laws. You are also disrepectful to those that have
suffered from the result of differences of opinion leading to criminal
actions and personal harm. Sadly for you I can say that I do not think
you are capable of doing better.
Respect is earned Rich! I will and do show respect to those who earn it. Unfortunately for you and Keith you've NEVER earned it! So stop bullshiting about others and address your own failures which once again you claim to see in others!
Now are you suggesting that our fine police were criminal in stopping the ISIS imbecile?
No I am not, you plonker. You appear to be incapable of
understanding simple English; nearly every post from you demonstrates
that you are incapable to understanding even simple messages.
Once again you describe yourself to a T Rich!
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Post by John Bowes
Because that's what it sounds like your doing and not for the first time. Now dry your fucking tears and have a look at the real world you cretinous fucking imbecile!
Give up, John Bowes. You understand nothing.
Get stuffed! The uncomprehending fool is you Rich and it always has been! You make me laugh the way you carry on about others while carrying out the practices you yourself do. Your just an imbecilic fucking hypocrit like the government you blindly support!
Mutlley
2021-09-05 02:13:42 UTC
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On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 20:37:34 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 18:07:24 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by George Black
So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
A few I suspect but I see on Twotter that the Covinda supporters are
blaming John Key's government for this attack.
Didn't she just let one in the other week , a female version .
Of dear, another idiot trying to foment division through childish
names and by trying to lay blame where it is not justified. Our police
did well, and would I believe have done exactly the same under the
previous John Key / Bill English governments. By descending to posting
belittling and unjustified attacks yourself you are showing that you
do not deserve the attention of nz.general readers. You should
apologise, Mutley; I know that you are capable of being better than
your last post.
Talking crap as usual Rich! After all Ardern DID let another ISIS supporter in last week instead of having her shipped to some country like Iran that has supported ISIS! As is obvious we don't need the bastards here no matter how much simpering imbeciles like you and Ardern do!
Your ignorant rants are hardly much of themselves, but by trying to
foment division and your petulant ranting you are in fact little
better than the New Lynn attacker in trying to destroy the reputation
New Zealand has for impartialling treating all New Zealanders with
respect under our laws. You are also disrepectful to those that have
suffered from the result of differences of opinion leading to criminal
actions and personal harm. Sadly for you I can say that I do not think
you are capable of doing better.
Respect is earned Rich! I will and do show respect to those who earn it. Unfortunately for you and Keith you've NEVER earned it! So stop bullshiting about others and address your own failures which once again you claim to see in others!
Now are you suggesting that our fine police were criminal in stopping the ISIS imbecile?
No I am not, you plonker. You appear to be incapable of
understanding simple English; nearly every post from you demonstrates
that you are incapable to understanding even simple messages.
Post by John Bowes
Because that's what it sounds like your doing and not for the first time. Now dry your fucking tears and have a look at the real world you cretinous fucking imbecile!
Give up, John Bowes. You understand nothing.
Looks like Rich is really getting rattled now. Guess it's been a bad
week for him with all the negative press
John Bowes
2021-09-05 04:27:30 UTC
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On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 20:37:34 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 18:07:24 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by George Black
So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
A few I suspect but I see on Twotter that the Covinda supporters are
blaming John Key's government for this attack.
Didn't she just let one in the other week , a female version .
Of dear, another idiot trying to foment division through childish
names and by trying to lay blame where it is not justified. Our police
did well, and would I believe have done exactly the same under the
previous John Key / Bill English governments. By descending to posting
belittling and unjustified attacks yourself you are showing that you
do not deserve the attention of nz.general readers. You should
apologise, Mutley; I know that you are capable of being better than
your last post.
Talking crap as usual Rich! After all Ardern DID let another ISIS supporter in last week instead of having her shipped to some country like Iran that has supported ISIS! As is obvious we don't need the bastards here no matter how much simpering imbeciles like you and Ardern do!
Your ignorant rants are hardly much of themselves, but by trying to
foment division and your petulant ranting you are in fact little
better than the New Lynn attacker in trying to destroy the reputation
New Zealand has for impartialling treating all New Zealanders with
respect under our laws. You are also disrepectful to those that have
suffered from the result of differences of opinion leading to criminal
actions and personal harm. Sadly for you I can say that I do not think
you are capable of doing better.
Respect is earned Rich! I will and do show respect to those who earn it. Unfortunately for you and Keith you've NEVER earned it! So stop bullshiting about others and address your own failures which once again you claim to see in others!
Now are you suggesting that our fine police were criminal in stopping the ISIS imbecile?
No I am not, you plonker. You appear to be incapable of
understanding simple English; nearly every post from you demonstrates
that you are incapable to understanding even simple messages.
Post by John Bowes
Because that's what it sounds like your doing and not for the first time. Now dry your fucking tears and have a look at the real world you cretinous fucking imbecile!
Give up, John Bowes. You understand nothing.
Looks like Rich is really getting rattled now. Guess it's been a bad
week for him with all the negative press
Ya gotta feel sorry for Rich. Even when the government has a good week he's stuck with nobody respecting him. Must suck when EVERY week is a bad one :)
John Bowes
2021-09-04 21:36:59 UTC
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On Fri, 3 Sep 2021 18:07:24 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
Post by George Black
So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
A few I suspect but I see on Twotter that the Covinda supporters are
blaming John Key's government for this attack.
Didn't she just let one in the other week , a female version .
Of dear, another idiot trying to foment division through childish
names and by trying to lay blame where it is not justified. Our police
did well, and would I believe have done exactly the same under the
previous John Key / Bill English governments. By descending to posting
belittling and unjustified attacks yourself you are showing that you
do not deserve the attention of nz.general readers. You should
apologise, Mutley; I know that you are capable of being better than
your last post.
Talking crap as usual Rich! After all Ardern DID let another ISIS supporter in last week instead of having her shipped to some country like Iran that has supported ISIS! As is obvious we don't need the bastards here no matter how much simpering imbeciles like you and Ardern do!
Your ignorant rants are hardly much of themselves, but by trying to
foment division and your petulant ranting you are in fact little
better than the New Lynn attacker in trying to destroy the reputation
New Zealand has for impartialling treating all New Zealanders with
respect under our laws. You are also disrepectful to those that have
suffered from the result of differences of opinion leading to criminal
actions and personal harm. Sadly for you I can say that I do not think
you are capable of doing better.
Respect is earned Rich! I will and do show respect to those who earn it. Unfortunately for you and Keith you've NEVER earned it! So stop bullshiting about others and address your own failures which once again you claim to see in others!
Now are you suggesting that our fine police were criminal in stopping the ISIS imbecile? Because that's what it sounds like your doing and not for the first time. Now dry your fucking tears and have a look at the real world you cretinous fucking imbecile!
Well said
The diffrences of opinion leading to criminal actions and personal
harm were of course the actions of the New Lynn stabber - John Bowes
is deliberately misunderstanding - why are you mindlessly following,
George?
Why are you persistently lying about what I post Rich? Besides as you have been told countless times George has you killfiled. The only way he gets to have a laugh at your imbecilic replys is reading my rebutals of your stupidity Rich :)
Gordon
2021-09-04 04:03:44 UTC
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Post by George Black
So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
A few I suspect but I see on Twotter that the Covinda supporters are
blaming John Key's government for this attack.
Didn't she just let one in the other week , a female version .
Of dear, another idiot trying to foment division through childish
names and by trying to lay blame where it is not justified.
The deceased in not a Kiwi. He has been in the country since 2011 so it is
safe to assume that he came in under the Key Government's watch. Since 2016
he has been monitored.

True 10 years ago he may have been a peaceful chap. One would have to hope
so as he was let in.

Also I understand that a Mother and child was let in recently by this
Government on the grounds that her partner was the bad one.
Post by Rich80105
Our police
did well, and would I believe have done exactly the same under the
previous John Key / Bill English governments.
Maybe, things were slightly different then.
Post by Rich80105
By descending to posting
belittling and unjustified attacks yourself you are showing that you
do not deserve the attention of nz.general readers.
Well, Rich, consider this. It was your rely from out of left field which has
drawn all the attention of the readers. Without your reply most readers
would have gone Yeah, true enough and go back worrying about whether the
glass was half full, or half empty.
Post by Rich80105
You should
apologise, Mutley; I know that you are capable of being better than
your last post.
We all have off days. Seems to me that to-day is yours.
George Black
2021-09-04 20:17:20 UTC
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Post by George Black
So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
A few I suspect but I see on Twotter that the Covinda supporters are
blaming John Key's government for this attack.
Didn't she just let one in the other week , a female version .
Of dear, another idiot trying to foment division through childish
names and by trying to lay blame where it is not justified.
The deceased in not a Kiwi. He has been in the country since 2011 so it is
safe to assume that he came in under the Key Government's watch. Since 2016
he has been monitored.
True 10 years ago he may have been a peaceful chap. One would have to hope
so as he was let in.
Also I understand that a Mother and child was let in recently by this
Government on the grounds that her partner was the bad one.
Post by Rich80105
Our police
did well, and would I believe have done exactly the same under the
previous John Key / Bill English governments.
Maybe, things were slightly different then.
Post by Rich80105
By descending to posting
belittling and unjustified attacks yourself you are showing that you
do not deserve the attention of nz.general readers.
Well, Rich, consider this. It was your rely from out of left field which has
drawn all the attention of the readers. Without your reply most readers
would have gone Yeah, true enough and go back worrying about whether the
glass was half full, or half empty.
Post by Rich80105
You should
apologise, Mutley; I know that you are capable of being better than
your last post.
We all have off days. Seems to me that to-day is yours.
rich is having an off life
Mutlley
2021-09-05 02:12:26 UTC
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So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
A few I suspect but I see on Twotter that the Covinda supporters are
blaming John Key's government for this attack.
Didn't she just let one in the other week , a female version .
Of dear, another idiot trying to foment division through childish
names and by trying to lay blame where it is not justified. Our police
did well, and would I believe have done exactly the same under the
previous John Key / Bill English governments. By descending to posting
belittling and unjustified attacks yourself you are showing that you
do not deserve the attention of nz.general readers. You should
apologise, Mutley; I know that you are capable of being better than
your last post.
Would you rather I posted a very popular Twitter handle
#resignjacinda Apologize for calling your queen Covinda ?? You're
joking. I guess you don't go to Twitter and see what she is really
called and how disliked your government is.
Tony
2021-09-05 02:30:03 UTC
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Post by George Black
So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
A few I suspect but I see on Twotter that the Covinda supporters are
blaming John Key's government for this attack.
Didn't she just let one in the other week , a female version .
Of dear, another idiot trying to foment division through childish
names and by trying to lay blame where it is not justified. Our police
did well, and would I believe have done exactly the same under the
previous John Key / Bill English governments. By descending to posting
belittling and unjustified attacks yourself you are showing that you
do not deserve the attention of nz.general readers. You should
apologise, Mutley; I know that you are capable of being better than
your last post.
Would you rather I posted a very popular Twitter handle
#resignjacinda Apologize for calling your queen Covinda ?? You're
joking. I guess you don't go to Twitter and see what she is really
called and how disliked your government is.
I am afraid that he really does know, that is why he has become much nastier
over the past week or two.
How sad, that anybody is so consumed by politics that they lose all reason.
John Bowes
2021-09-05 04:26:13 UTC
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Post by George Black
So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
A few I suspect but I see on Twotter that the Covinda supporters are
blaming John Key's government for this attack.
Didn't she just let one in the other week , a female version .
Of dear, another idiot trying to foment division through childish
names and by trying to lay blame where it is not justified. Our police
did well, and would I believe have done exactly the same under the
previous John Key / Bill English governments. By descending to posting
belittling and unjustified attacks yourself you are showing that you
do not deserve the attention of nz.general readers. You should
apologise, Mutley; I know that you are capable of being better than
your last post.
Would you rather I posted a very popular Twitter handle
#resignjacinda Apologize for calling your queen Covinda ?? You're
joking. I guess you don't go to Twitter and see what she is really
called and how disliked your government is.
I've organised a MAGA hat for me. Except it now means Make Ardern Go Away :)
George Black
2021-09-05 19:53:54 UTC
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Post by George Black
So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
A few I suspect but I see on Twotter that the Covinda supporters are
blaming John Key's government for this attack.
Didn't she just let one in the other week , a female version .
Of dear, another idiot trying to foment division through childish
names and by trying to lay blame where it is not justified. Our police
did well, and would I believe have done exactly the same under the
previous John Key / Bill English governments. By descending to posting
belittling and unjustified attacks yourself you are showing that you
do not deserve the attention of nz.general readers. You should
apologise, Mutley; I know that you are capable of being better than
your last post.
Would you rather I posted a very popular Twitter handle
#resignjacinda Apologize for calling your queen Covinda ?? You're
joking. I guess you don't go to Twitter and see what she is really
called and how disliked your government is.
I've organised a MAGA hat for me. Except it now means Make Ardern Go Away :)
We just might be allowed to go outside after the speech from the dais today.
And brilliant reuse of the MAGA hat
John Bowes
2021-09-05 21:42:57 UTC
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Post by George Black
So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
A few I suspect but I see on Twotter that the Covinda supporters are
blaming John Key's government for this attack.
Didn't she just let one in the other week , a female version .
Of dear, another idiot trying to foment division through childish
names and by trying to lay blame where it is not justified. Our police
did well, and would I believe have done exactly the same under the
previous John Key / Bill English governments. By descending to posting
belittling and unjustified attacks yourself you are showing that you
do not deserve the attention of nz.general readers. You should
apologise, Mutley; I know that you are capable of being better than
your last post.
Would you rather I posted a very popular Twitter handle
#resignjacinda Apologize for calling your queen Covinda ?? You're
joking. I guess you don't go to Twitter and see what she is really
called and how disliked your government is.
I've organised a MAGA hat for me. Except it now means Make Ardern Go Away :)
We just might be allowed to go outside after the speech from the dais today.
And brilliant reuse of the MAGA hat
Nicked it from the farmers :)

John Bowes
2021-09-03 22:24:38 UTC
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So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
Glad the cops didn't stuff around when the imbecile lost his last marble. Sorry he got six innocent people but good the cops didn't stuff around. Pity they didn't do the same to the Aussie imbecile!
Rich80105
2021-09-03 23:38:37 UTC
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So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
You attempt to show solidarity with the derabged and biggotted
offender is mispaced, George - all you demonstrate is your own
bigotry, lack of compassion, and determination to turn everything into
an attack from yourself, whether religious, racist, religious bigotry
or just stupidity.

This is a time to reflect and think about what needs to be done - and
first should be to show no tolerance in nz.general to posts such as
yours that must at some level make most New Zealanders uneasy, through
to enraged that you should assume that a criminal act can by one
person should cause us to expect similar behaviour from others of the
same race or religion. You were in my view out of line with your post,
George, and should apologise.

As always, we ask whether something should have been done - and that
is not an easy question to answer. Our current government does have a
bill before the house, but this incident highlights that the
provisions proposed would not have been applicable in this case. The
previous government decided not to give priority to similar
legislation, probably on the basis of reasonable advice at the time.
Since then, different issues have arisen, and the legislation is seen
by some as probably among the most difficult issues faced relating to
individual conscience, public order and safety of individuals. I do
not think Judith Collins needed to have been so defensive; the
previous government undoubtedly acted on relevant advice at the time.

Some links:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/126283467/a-terror-attack-that-occurred-while-the-government-was-watching

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/news-special/audio/2018811008/anjum-rahman-and-abdur-razzaq-speak-after-terror-attack

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/news-special/audio/2018811010/laws-outdated-and-insufficient-dr-john-battersby

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/news-special/audio/2018811009/professor-andrew-geddis-on-proposed-terrorism-law-changes

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/the-achilles-heel-exposed-by-auckland-terrorist

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/news-special/audio/2018811007/attack-absolutely-terrifying-collins

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/collins-defends-not-fixing-law-years-ago-calls-new-law-stripping-citizenship-residency

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300399442/live-supermarket-terrorist-loses-name-suppression
John Bowes
2021-09-04 01:11:08 UTC
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Post by George Black
So the cops have been following this maggot for years all armed and
ready to shoot.
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
And has Cindy dropped the burka ?????
You attempt to show solidarity with the derabged and biggotted
offender is mispaced, George - all you demonstrate is your own
bigotry, lack of compassion, and determination to turn everything into
an attack from yourself, whether religious, racist, religious bigotry
or just stupidity.
<typical bigoted and deranged crap from Rich snipped>
Again your lack of comprehension and Labour brainwashing (I'm trying to be kind to the fucking imbecile okay?!) makes you look like a simpering fucking imbecile Rich! George was in fact showing no sympathy with the ISIS arsehole at all! Just wondering why your glorious leader hasn't had the balls to protect innocent people from these arseholes!
James Christophers
2021-09-04 05:50:05 UTC
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On Saturday, 4 September 2021 at 07:49:46 UTC+12, george wrote:

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How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
This is a free, open and **unmoderated" forum that, free of charge, permits you, George, to make known worldwide whatever opinions you may genuinely and in good faith wish to covey.

You would therefore be wise now to reconsider and respect such an extraordinarily generous privilege by refraining from reflecting your own tendency to a not dissimilar divisive bigotry that you yourself intimate you abhor.

No good can ever come of it.
John Bowes
2021-09-04 05:59:09 UTC
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How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
This is a free, open and **unmoderated" forum that, free of charge, permits you, George, to make known worldwide whatever opinions you may genuinely and in good faith wish to covey.
You would therefore be wise now to reconsider and respect such an extraordinarily generous privilege by refraining from reflecting your own tendency to a not dissimilar divisive bigotry that you yourself intimate you abhor.
No good can ever come of it.
You Keith would be wise to follow your own advice! George has asked a VERY pertinent question to which nobody has the full answer.
Rich80105
2021-09-04 06:11:09 UTC
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Post by George Black
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
This is a free, open and **unmoderated" forum that, free of charge, permits you, George, to make known worldwide whatever opinions you may genuinely and in good faith wish to covey.
You would therefore be wise now to reconsider and respect such an extraordinarily generous privilege by refraining from reflecting your own tendency to a not dissimilar divisive bigotry that you yourself intimate you abhor.
No good can ever come of it.
You Keith would be wise to follow your own advice! George has asked a VERY pertinent question to which nobody has the full answer.
Are YOU a potential threat, John Bowes? If you answer that question,
can that answer be trusted? Would we be regarded as known
associates of you if you got into trouble with a knife?
James Christophers
2021-09-04 06:59:17 UTC
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How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
This is a free, open and **unmoderated" forum that, free of charge, permits you, George, to make known worldwide whatever opinions you may genuinely and in good faith wish to covey.
You would therefore be wise now to reconsider and respect such an extraordinarily generous privilege by refraining from reflecting your own tendency to a not dissimilar divisive bigotry that you yourself intimate you abhor.
No good can ever come of it.
George has asked a VERY pertinent question to which nobody has the full answer.
Pertinent it may be, but the educated and informed recognise the question as rhetorical, meaning it neither demands nor requires a response.
George Black
2021-09-04 20:21:17 UTC
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How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
This is a free, open and **unmoderated" forum that, free of charge, permits you, George, to make known worldwide whatever opinions you may genuinely and in good faith wish to covey.
You would therefore be wise now to reconsider and respect such an extraordinarily generous privilege by refraining from reflecting your own tendency to a not dissimilar divisive bigotry that you yourself intimate you abhor.
No good can ever come of it.
You Keith would be wise to follow your own advice! George has asked a VERY pertinent question to which nobody has the full answer.
Found it.
Evidently there WERE 50 muslimes being monitored and now there are 49...
And why was this cretins history protected by the courts ???
I had this idea that the law was supposed to protect the population..
Evidently not
John Bowes
2021-09-04 20:57:54 UTC
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How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
This is a free, open and **unmoderated" forum that, free of charge, permits you, George, to make known worldwide whatever opinions you may genuinely and in good faith wish to covey.
You would therefore be wise now to reconsider and respect such an extraordinarily generous privilege by refraining from reflecting your own tendency to a not dissimilar divisive bigotry that you yourself intimate you abhor.
No good can ever come of it.
You Keith would be wise to follow your own advice! George has asked a VERY pertinent question to which nobody has the full answer.
Found it.
Evidently there WERE 50 muslimes being monitored and now there are 49...
And why was this cretins history protected by the courts ???
I had this idea that the law was supposed to protect the population..
Evidently not
It's a failure of the legal system and successive governments! Law should make it a lot easier to get rid of scum like Samsudeen! So he wanted to be protected from people in Sri Lanka, his actions here making him a menace to new Zealanders should have negated any worry by authorities as to any repercussions to him on being returned. Safety to New Zealanders should have taken precedence. I see Krim dot Kon is still in country. Why hasn't he been returned to Germany? Why is Sroubek (sp?) the Czech druggie still here? It should be a lot easier to get rid of these jerks!
Rich80105
2021-09-04 21:31:55 UTC
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How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
This is a free, open and **unmoderated" forum that, free of charge, permits you, George, to make known worldwide whatever opinions you may genuinely and in good faith wish to covey.
You would therefore be wise now to reconsider and respect such an extraordinarily generous privilege by refraining from reflecting your own tendency to a not dissimilar divisive bigotry that you yourself intimate you abhor.
No good can ever come of it.
You Keith would be wise to follow your own advice! George has asked a VERY pertinent question to which nobody has the full answer.
Found it.
Evidently there WERE 50 muslimes being monitored and now there are 49...
And why was this cretins history protected by the courts ???
I had this idea that the law was supposed to protect the population..
Evidently not
Are you one of the mu-slimes still on the list, George?
John Bowes
2021-09-04 21:38:07 UTC
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Post by George Black
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
This is a free, open and **unmoderated" forum that, free of charge, permits you, George, to make known worldwide whatever opinions you may genuinely and in good faith wish to covey.
You would therefore be wise now to reconsider and respect such an extraordinarily generous privilege by refraining from reflecting your own tendency to a not dissimilar divisive bigotry that you yourself intimate you abhor.
No good can ever come of it.
You Keith would be wise to follow your own advice! George has asked a VERY pertinent question to which nobody has the full answer.
Found it.
Evidently there WERE 50 muslimes being monitored and now there are 49...
And why was this cretins history protected by the courts ???
I had this idea that the law was supposed to protect the population..
Evidently not
Are you one of the mu-slimes still on the list, George?
When you learn how to spell Rich you might be in a position to criticize others spelling. Untill then show some rspect to a better person than you'll ever be!
George Black
2021-09-05 00:24:51 UTC
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Post by George Black
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
This is a free, open and **unmoderated" forum that, free of charge, permits you, George, to make known worldwide whatever opinions you may genuinely and in good faith wish to covey.
You would therefore be wise now to reconsider and respect such an extraordinarily generous privilege by refraining from reflecting your own tendency to a not dissimilar divisive bigotry that you yourself intimate you abhor.
No good can ever come of it.
You Keith would be wise to follow your own advice! George has asked a VERY pertinent question to which nobody has the full answer.
Found it.
Evidently there WERE 50 muslimes being monitored and now there are 49...
And why was this cretins history protected by the courts ???
I had this idea that the law was supposed to protect the population..
Evidently not
Are you one of the mu-slimes still on the list, George?
When you learn how to spell Rich you might be in a position to criticize others spelling. Untill then show some rspect to a better person than you'll ever be!
Tell the kook that its not a 'misspelling' but a fact.
A muslime attempted to kill Kiwis and got shot and died.
Why isn't there the same revulsion felt and expressed as in the case of
the Christchurch shooter ??????
John Bowes
2021-09-05 01:01:59 UTC
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Post by George Black
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
This is a free, open and **unmoderated" forum that, free of charge, permits you, George, to make known worldwide whatever opinions you may genuinely and in good faith wish to covey.
You would therefore be wise now to reconsider and respect such an extraordinarily generous privilege by refraining from reflecting your own tendency to a not dissimilar divisive bigotry that you yourself intimate you abhor.
No good can ever come of it.
You Keith would be wise to follow your own advice! George has asked a VERY pertinent question to which nobody has the full answer.
Found it.
Evidently there WERE 50 muslimes being monitored and now there are 49...
And why was this cretins history protected by the courts ???
I had this idea that the law was supposed to protect the population..
Evidently not
Are you one of the mu-slimes still on the list, George?
When you learn how to spell Rich you might be in a position to criticize others spelling. Untill then show some rspect to a better person than you'll ever be!
Tell the kook that its not a 'misspelling' but a fact.
A muslime attempted to kill Kiwis and got shot and died.
Why isn't there the same revulsion felt and expressed as in the case of
the Christchurch shooter ??????
Because Rich's government wants us to believe ALL Muslime are good and loving people George. The fact it's a contradiction of the history of the spread of Islam is immaterial in the minds of the woke twits that Rich worships with blind fanaticism. Wonder if his caregivers let him near knives or is he only allowed spoons...
James Christophers
2021-09-05 01:21:05 UTC
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Post by George Black
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
This is a free, open and **unmoderated" forum that, free of charge, permits you, George, to make known worldwide whatever opinions you may genuinely and in good faith wish to covey.
You would therefore be wise now to reconsider and respect such an extraordinarily generous privilege by refraining from reflecting your own tendency to a not dissimilar divisive bigotry that you yourself intimate you abhor.
No good can ever come of it.
You Keith would be wise to follow your own advice! George has asked a VERY pertinent question to which nobody has the full answer.
Found it.
Evidently there WERE 50 muslimes being monitored and now there are 49...
And why was this cretins history protected by the courts ???
I had this idea that the law was supposed to protect the population..
Evidently not
Are you one of the mu-slimes still on the list, George?
When you learn how to spell Rich you might be in a position to criticize others spelling. Untill then show some rspect to a better person than you'll ever be!
Tell the kook that its not a 'misspelling' but a fact.
A muslime attempted to kill Kiwis and got shot and died.
Why isn't there the same revulsion felt and expressed as in the case of
the Christchurch shooter ??????
Reaction to the Christchurch shootings was largely about:

1. A single, large, targeted and uniquely identifiable and defenceless group gunned down in their beyond-obscene numbers.

2. The uniquely identifiable nature of the location of the massacre as a rightful and officially sanctioned place of worship.

This action was pre-meditated, calculated and executed by a person who was and is, ecumenically, "one of our lot". Hence a nation shamed followed by its swift, reactive disavowal of the perpetrator and his actions. And rightly so.

Even the most rabidly secular and spiritually barren will instinctively grasp these differing elements, granted the **not**-one-of-our-lot Sri Lankan's mercifully brief, murderous spree is no less evil and degrading in its same calculated madness.
Rich80105
2021-09-05 01:26:02 UTC
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Post by George Black
How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
This is a free, open and **unmoderated" forum that, free of charge, permits you, George, to make known worldwide whatever opinions you may genuinely and in good faith wish to covey.
You would therefore be wise now to reconsider and respect such an extraordinarily generous privilege by refraining from reflecting your own tendency to a not dissimilar divisive bigotry that you yourself intimate you abhor.
No good can ever come of it.
You Keith would be wise to follow your own advice! George has asked a VERY pertinent question to which nobody has the full answer.
Found it.
Evidently there WERE 50 muslimes being monitored and now there are 49...
And why was this cretins history protected by the courts ???
I had this idea that the law was supposed to protect the population..
Evidently not
Are you one of the mu-slimes still on the list, George?
When you learn how to spell Rich you might be in a position to criticize others spelling. Untill then show some rspect to a better person than you'll ever be!
Tell the kook that its not a 'misspelling' but a fact.
A muslime attempted to kill Kiwis and got shot and died.
Why isn't there the same revulsion felt and expressed as in the case of
the Christchurch shooter ??????
What makes you think there is not?
Just as for the Christchurch shooter however, there is not revulsion
generally felt about all those of any particular religion, or all who
came from a particular country, or all men. Your prejudices and
attitudes may be shared by a small number of people, but New
Zealanders are generally proud of treating all people on the basis of
their wods and actions, and not on the basis of religion, ethnicity,
family history, hair colour, or even whether they share a particular
first name such as George.
James Christophers
2021-09-04 22:52:36 UTC
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How many more muslims do we have who are potential threats???
This is a free, open and **unmoderated" forum that, free of charge, permits you, George, to make known worldwide whatever opinions you may genuinely and in good faith wish to covey.
You would therefore be wise now to reconsider and respect such an extraordinarily generous privilege by refraining from reflecting your own tendency to a not dissimilar divisive bigotry that you yourself intimate you abhor.
No good can ever come of it.
You Keith would be wise to follow your own advice! George has asked a VERY pertinent question to which nobody has the full answer.
Found it.
Evidently there WERE 50 muslimes being monitored and now there are 49...
And why was this cretins history protected by the courts ???
Court process and deliberation is according to the laws of New Zealand. No New Zealander would have it any other way, including, presumably, you. So what kind of people wrote and enacted those laws, still do and always will?

People just like you, George, not some remote and unattainable miasma of abstractions and contradictions.

Our original anti-terrorism legislation was cobbled together in huddled haste as a knee-jerk response to 9/11 and became law in 2002. It has been amended **at least** 20 times since.

Legal process in this country is also bound by its inherent natural complexity plus its surfeit of due caution and precedent and, perhaps most influential of all, the characteristic nature and quality of New Zealand's jurisprudence. Summed, these determine its alacrity or its sluggishness and, inevitably, the ultimate quality of its deliberations. In the case of the Sri Lankan perpetrator and the sanctions and restriction imposed on him, those same law(s) had also been stretched to their uttermost limits. All options were exhausted.

Overlying **and** underlying all of the above is an historically weak - I repeat, weak - Justice department. Why?

New Zealand has a legal system entirely of its own making which, yes, is as it should be. Law-making is a continually evolving process according to need and circumstance. New Zealanders **alone** have all the powers and authority at their disposal to make their legal processes fit for purpose, but they will only get there through the appropriate actions taken by their lawmakers, these underwritten by the highest level and quality of skills and competence to achieve outcomes to meet today's complex environment.

So are these crucial levels of skills and competencies being fully applied? Are they, in fact, actually available at all? If not, why not (no rhetoric intended or implied)?

Our legal system's perpetual Achille's heel? A perniciously substandard quality of drafting and processing **decades** out of date, and I do mean out of date as in sclerotic - i.e. unfit for purpose. And it will continue in this way for as long as Mr and Mrs Kiwi continue to sit with their thumbs up their bums while shrugging off those civic responsibilities they share with every other New Zealander with that same old apathetic, "Not my business. Leave it to "Them". She'll be roight".
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I had this idea that the law was supposed to protect the population.
By and large it does.
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Evidently not
The exception proves the rule.
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