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Tony
2020-04-25 07:22:22 UTC
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Hiding behind literal meanings is a common practice in some politicians.
If she knew the technical term then she deliberately misled us, otherwise she
was naive at best.
George
2020-04-25 20:19:35 UTC
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Hiding behind literal meanings is a common practice in some
politicians. If she knew the technical term then she deliberately
misled us, otherwise she was naive at best.
A set of words to claim that lies are not lies
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Rich80105
2020-04-25 20:33:45 UTC
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Hiding behind literal meanings is a common practice in some
politicians. If she knew the technical term then she deliberately
misled us, otherwise she was naive at best.
A set of words to claim that lies are not lies
It is clear that we can expect occasional cases, even after
elimination. Travellers from overseas may be asymptomatic for example,
and there are known to be false negatives with tests.

We aim to have no road deaths and no murders - that is not apromise
that we wil never have them, but we will do our best to eliminate them
. . .
Tony
2020-04-25 20:48:06 UTC
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Post by George
On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 02:22:22 -0500
Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/121206976/prime-minister-needs-to-be-held-to-account-over-coronavirus-claims
Hiding behind literal meanings is a common practice in some
politicians. If she knew the technical term then she deliberately
misled us, otherwise she was naive at best.
A set of words to claim that lies are not lies
It is clear that we can expect occasional cases, even after
elimination. Travellers from overseas may be asymptomatic for example,
and there are known to be false negatives with tests.
We aim to have no road deaths and no murders - that is not apromise
that we wil never have them, but we will do our best to eliminate them
. . .
Elimination ia absolute.
If we get occasional cases the virus has not been eliminated.
The use of the word was either deliberately misleading or stupid.
Rich80105
2020-04-25 22:20:24 UTC
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On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 15:48:06 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by George
On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 02:22:22 -0500
Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/121206976/prime-minister-needs-to-be-held-to-account-over-coronavirus-claims
Hiding behind literal meanings is a common practice in some
politicians. If she knew the technical term then she deliberately
misled us, otherwise she was naive at best.
A set of words to claim that lies are not lies
It is clear that we can expect occasional cases, even after
elimination. Travellers from overseas may be asymptomatic for example,
and there are known to be false negatives with tests.
We aim to have no road deaths and no murders - that is not apromise
that we wil never have them, but we will do our best to eliminate them
. . .
Elimination ia absolute.
If we get occasional cases the virus has not been eliminated.
The use of the word was either deliberately misleading or stupid.
Eradication is global elimination - we can eliminate in small areas,
and hopefully all of New Zealand, but until there is elimination
around the world we have not have eradication. This was all explained
when the terms were first used - it is why we closed our orders and
that it is likely anyone coming in will be required to be quarantined
following entry - and other countries are likely to require the same.

There has been recent discussion of Australia and New Zealand having
lower entry requirements once each country has eliminated the disease
within their own territory, but again we can expect a small number of
cases until a vaccine is developed or overseas elimination becomes
more widespread.

Deliberate misunderstanding, and the spreading of that
misunderstanding, is tantamount to lying - why do it?
Tony
2020-04-25 22:35:51 UTC
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Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by George
On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 02:22:22 -0500
Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/121206976/prime-minister-needs-to-be-held-to-account-over-coronavirus-claims
Hiding behind literal meanings is a common practice in some
politicians. If she knew the technical term then she deliberately
misled us, otherwise she was naive at best.
A set of words to claim that lies are not lies
It is clear that we can expect occasional cases, even after
elimination. Travellers from overseas may be asymptomatic for example,
and there are known to be false negatives with tests.
We aim to have no road deaths and no murders - that is not apromise
that we wil never have them, but we will do our best to eliminate them
. . .
Elimination ia absolute.
If we get occasional cases the virus has not been eliminated.
The use of the word was either deliberately misleading or stupid.
Eradication is global elimination - we can eliminate in small areas,
and hopefully all of New Zealand, but until there is elimination
around the world we have not have eradication. This was all explained
when the terms were first used - it is why we closed our orders and
that it is likely anyone coming in will be required to be quarantined
following entry - and other countries are likely to require the same.
The word is an absolute, using it was deception.
Post by Rich80105
There has been recent discussion of Australia and New Zealand having
lower entry requirements once each country has eliminated the disease
within their own territory, but again we can expect a small number of
cases until a vaccine is developed or overseas elimination becomes
more widespread.
You are the liar, read the bloody article.
The term was not explained at the beginning, you are lying.
James Christophers
2020-04-26 02:13:10 UTC
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Post by George
On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 02:22:22 -0500
Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/121206976/prime-minister-needs-to-be-held-to-account-over-coronavirus-claims
Hiding behind literal meanings is a common practice in some
politicians. If she knew the technical term then she deliberately
misled us, otherwise she was naive at best.
A set of words to claim that lies are not lies
It is clear that we can expect occasional cases, even after
elimination. Travellers from overseas may be asymptomatic for example,
and there are known to be false negatives with tests.
We aim to have no road deaths and no murders - that is not apromise
that we wil never have them, but we will do our best to eliminate them
. . .
Elimination ia absolute.
If we get occasional cases the virus has not been eliminated.
The use of the word was either deliberately misleading or stupid.
It was plainly neither, and you and Elers know it.

As originally given (on April 22) it was conveyed in good faith but was on this rare occasion less than fully informed. This Ardern made clear with her corrective addendum on April 23.

But Stuff and Elers hadn't got out of bed to conspire together in their venomous hatchet job until all of two days later (April 25) - and, anyway, two days later is an aeon in terms of even the most cack-handed of current affairs journalists.

Remember, Elers is, of all things, a PhD. By his own hand he therefore immediately and irrevocably dishonours both himself and the noble accolade so mistakenly bestowed on him.

Shame on him and every tawdry, sordid thing about him.
Gordon
2020-04-26 04:26:49 UTC
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Post by George
On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 02:22:22 -0500
Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/121206976/prime-minister-needs-to-be-held-to-account-over-coronavirus-claims
Hiding behind literal meanings is a common practice in some
politicians. If she knew the technical term then she deliberately
misled us, otherwise she was naive at best.
A set of words to claim that lies are not lies
It is clear that we can expect occasional cases, even after
elimination. Travellers from overseas may be asymptomatic for example,
and there are known to be false negatives with tests.
We aim to have no road deaths and no murders - that is not apromise
that we wil never have them, but we will do our best to eliminate them
. . .
Elimination ia absolute.
If we get occasional cases the virus has not been eliminated.
Lets take the case of New Zealand being Covid19 free, and then we import
some. Which in a global economy is almost certain. So elimination exists in NZ
until the import.
Post by Tony
The use of the word was either deliberately misleading or stupid.
Not precise would be more the case.

At the time I thought, Good luck with that Jacina. This I got to see.
Tony
2020-04-26 04:42:12 UTC
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Post by Tony
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Post by George
On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 02:22:22 -0500
Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/121206976/prime-minister-needs-to-be-held-to-account-over-coronavirus-claims
Hiding behind literal meanings is a common practice in some
politicians. If she knew the technical term then she deliberately
misled us, otherwise she was naive at best.
A set of words to claim that lies are not lies
It is clear that we can expect occasional cases, even after
elimination. Travellers from overseas may be asymptomatic for example,
and there are known to be false negatives with tests.
We aim to have no road deaths and no murders - that is not apromise
that we wil never have them, but we will do our best to eliminate them
. . .
Elimination ia absolute.
If we get occasional cases the virus has not been eliminated.
Lets take the case of New Zealand being Covid19 free, and then we import
some. Which in a global economy is almost certain. So elimination exists in NZ
until the import.
Post by Tony
The use of the word was either deliberately misleading or stupid.
Not precise would be more the case.
At the time I thought, Good luck with that Jacina. This I got to see.
Gordon
That does not affect the validity of my concern about possible deliberate
misleading.
Rich80105
2020-04-26 07:48:34 UTC
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On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 23:42:12 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Gordon
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by George
On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 02:22:22 -0500
Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/121206976/prime-minister-needs-to-be-held-to-account-over-coronavirus-claims
Hiding behind literal meanings is a common practice in some
politicians. If she knew the technical term then she deliberately
misled us, otherwise she was naive at best.
A set of words to claim that lies are not lies
It is clear that we can expect occasional cases, even after
elimination. Travellers from overseas may be asymptomatic for example,
and there are known to be false negatives with tests.
We aim to have no road deaths and no murders - that is not apromise
that we wil never have them, but we will do our best to eliminate them
. . .
Elimination ia absolute.
If we get occasional cases the virus has not been eliminated.
Lets take the case of New Zealand being Covid19 free, and then we import
some. Which in a global economy is almost certain. So elimination exists in NZ
until the import.
Post by Tony
The use of the word was either deliberately misleading or stupid.
Not precise would be more the case.
At the time I thought, Good luck with that Jacina. This I got to see.
Gordon
That does not affect the validity of my concern about possible deliberate
misleading.
Nothing has stopped you being misleading earlier in this thread, Tony.
Rich80105
2020-04-26 07:59:14 UTC
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Post by Tony
Post by Gordon
Post by Tony
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Post by George
On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 02:22:22 -0500
Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/121206976/prime-minister-needs-to-be-held-to-account-over-coronavirus-claims
Hiding behind literal meanings is a common practice in some
politicians. If she knew the technical term then she deliberately
misled us, otherwise she was naive at best.
A set of words to claim that lies are not lies
It is clear that we can expect occasional cases, even after
elimination. Travellers from overseas may be asymptomatic for example,
and there are known to be false negatives with tests.
We aim to have no road deaths and no murders - that is not apromise
that we wil never have them, but we will do our best to eliminate them
. . .
Elimination ia absolute.
If we get occasional cases the virus has not been eliminated.
Lets take the case of New Zealand being Covid19 free, and then we import
some. Which in a global economy is almost certain. So elimination exists in NZ
until the import.
Post by Tony
The use of the word was either deliberately misleading or stupid.
Not precise would be more the case.
At the time I thought, Good luck with that Jacina. This I got to see.
Gordon
That does not affect the validity of my concern about possible deliberate
misleading.
Nothing has stopped you being misleading earlier in this thread, Tony.
Sorry Tony, it was Elers that was misleading, you were just taken in.
Tony
2020-04-26 08:02:42 UTC
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Post by Tony
Post by Gordon
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by George
On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 02:22:22 -0500
Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/121206976/prime-minister-needs-to-be-held-to-account-over-coronavirus-claims
Hiding behind literal meanings is a common practice in some
politicians. If she knew the technical term then she deliberately
misled us, otherwise she was naive at best.
A set of words to claim that lies are not lies
It is clear that we can expect occasional cases, even after
elimination. Travellers from overseas may be asymptomatic for example,
and there are known to be false negatives with tests.
We aim to have no road deaths and no murders - that is not apromise
that we wil never have them, but we will do our best to eliminate them
. . .
Elimination ia absolute.
If we get occasional cases the virus has not been eliminated.
Lets take the case of New Zealand being Covid19 free, and then we import
some. Which in a global economy is almost certain. So elimination exists in NZ
until the import.
Post by Tony
The use of the word was either deliberately misleading or stupid.
Not precise would be more the case.
At the time I thought, Good luck with that Jacina. This I got to see.
Gordon
That does not affect the validity of my concern about possible deliberate
misleading.
Nothing has stopped you being misleading earlier in this thread, Tony.
Sorry Tony, it was Elers that was misleading, you were just taken in.
Your abject apology is accepted even though it was misplaced.
You are the one that is taken in, by a manipulative and failed political creed
that has never worked.
Shame on you for being so easily distracted by lies.
Oh, and your abusive sarcasm is once more noted.
James Christophers
2020-04-27 01:06:30 UTC
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Post by Tony
Post by Gordon
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by George
On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 02:22:22 -0500
Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/121206976/prime-minister-needs-to-be-held-to-account-over-coronavirus-claims
Hiding behind literal meanings is a common practice in some
politicians. If she knew the technical term then she deliberately
misled us, otherwise she was naive at best.
A set of words to claim that lies are not lies
It is clear that we can expect occasional cases, even after
elimination. Travellers from overseas may be asymptomatic for example,
and there are known to be false negatives with tests.
We aim to have no road deaths and no murders - that is not apromise
that we wil never have them, but we will do our best to eliminate them
. . .
Elimination ia absolute.
If we get occasional cases the virus has not been eliminated.
Lets take the case of New Zealand being Covid19 free, and then we import
some. Which in a global economy is almost certain. So elimination exists in NZ
until the import.
Post by Tony
The use of the word was either deliberately misleading or stupid.
Not precise would be more the case.
"Not 100% informed" nails it.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Gordon
At the time I thought, Good luck with that Jacina. This I got to see.
Gordon
That does not affect the validity of my concern about possible deliberate
misleading.
In this scenario, expressed concern about something being possible is, at best, the concern of both the febrile conspiracy theorist and the rank paranoiac. (It's also a contrived form of begging the question to make something out of nothing, as in this case.)

But what's worse is to suggest deliberate (harmful) intent on the part of the individual under discussion, thereby further labelling that person with a negative attribute that **you know** can only be false until proven otherwise. To date, there has been no evidence, not even the smallest sign that this might have been the case, but you already knew this before you wrote what you did.

By your own words are you nothing other than a gratuitous contriver and dissembler of the most noxious kind.

Shame on you and the only thing about you: your rank, bottomless dishonesty.
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Post by Rich80105
Nothing has stopped you being misleading earlier in this thread, Tony.
Sorry Tony, it was Elers that was misleading, you were just taken in.
Your abject apology is accepted even though it was misplaced.
That's just another of Tony's idiotic attempts at a must-fail rebuttal from a must-fail dissembler.
Post by Tony
You are the one that is taken in, by a manipulative and failed political creed
that has never worked.
Irrelevant to the topic in hand.
Post by Tony
Shame on you for being so easily distracted by lies.
You are the very personification of "distraction". Had you the born wit you'd have woken up to this before you were 5 years-old or someone your senior had slapped you around until you did. That said, you then wouldn't have squandered your entire lifetime making such a confounded mess of whatever pauce social skills you might possibly been blessed with.
Post by Tony
Oh, and your abusive sarcasm is once more noted.
Gladly and with pleasure, too, eh?

Solely because it baits your every hair-trigger sensibility. In fact you go looking for it. Worse still, you can't get enough of it because it so indulges your vaulting, contrarian narcissism.
Tony
2020-04-27 01:45:37 UTC
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Keith Warren <***@gmail.com> surpassed his previous abuse:
Keth Warren aka James the abuser aka willy wonka aka at least two others has
now managed to show himself as the abject failure of a human being he really is.
Poor education, an abused upbringing are all likely causes but the bottom line
is that he a disgusting piece of excrement posing as a human being.
James Christophers
2020-04-27 02:43:46 UTC
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Keth Warren aka James the abuser aka willy wonka...
? So who told you this - Wily Willy Wonka?...
...aka at least two others...
...whom you can't identify yet must, in all your fast-encroaching madness, continue to babble as you progress nicely down that slippery slope to the funny farm...
...has
now managed to show himself as the abject failure of a human being he really is.
Poor education...
...you wish, you snobby little half-wit lower-middle-class inbred of the first water...
...an abused upbringing...
...so now you peddle yet another of your falsehoods you can never prove or validate and, since you are its instigator, I therefore never need to bother denying.
...are all likely causes...


...they can be neither actual or likely since you base your invented conclusion on your own knowingly false presumption-as-lie, you repellent little slug...
...but the bottom line is that he a disgusting piece of excrement posing as a human being.
And you, you terminally rancid Little Englander, are simply that self-annointed dingleberry dangling from beneath the anus of the world!

What prouder distinction could any half-wit Pom ever wish for, eh?

Go stuff your head up your own anus and thereby gain the widest perspective on life you have ever been favoured with.
Tony
2020-04-27 02:55:04 UTC
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James Christophers <***@gmail.com> finally exploded the myth that
he is a rational creature:
George
2020-04-26 20:11:20 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by George
On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 02:22:22 -0500
Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/121206976/prime-minister-needs-to-be-held-to-account-over-coronavirus-claims
Hiding behind literal meanings is a common practice in some
politicians. If she knew the technical term then she deliberately
misled us, otherwise she was naive at best.
A set of words to claim that lies are not lies
It is clear that we can expect occasional cases, even after
elimination. Travellers from overseas may be asymptomatic for
example, and there are known to be false negatives with tests.
We aim to have no road deaths and no murders - that is not apromise
that we wil never have them, but we will do our best to eliminate
them . . .
Elimination ia absolute.
If we get occasional cases the virus has not been eliminated.
Lets take the case of New Zealand being Covid19 free, and then we
import some. Which in a global economy is almost certain. So
elimination exists in NZ until the import.
Post by Tony
The use of the word was either deliberately misleading or stupid.
Not precise would be more the case.
At the time I thought, Good luck with that Jacina. This I got to see.
Obviously the fact that we have a flu season every year must elude the
poor thing as she tries to be a dictator
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2020-04-26 20:34:51 UTC
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Post by George
On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 02:22:22 -0500
Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/121206976/prime-minister-needs-to-be-held-to-account-over-coronavirus-claims
Hiding behind literal meanings is a common practice in some
politicians. If she knew the technical term then she deliberately
misled us, otherwise she was naive at best.
A set of words to claim that lies are not lies
It is clear that we can expect occasional cases, even after
elimination. Travellers from overseas may be asymptomatic for
example, and there are known to be false negatives with tests.
We aim to have no road deaths and no murders - that is not apromise
that we wil never have them, but we will do our best to eliminate
them . . .
Elimination ia absolute.
If we get occasional cases the virus has not been eliminated.
Lets take the case of New Zealand being Covid19 free, and then we
import some. Which in a global economy is almost certain. So
elimination exists in NZ until the import.
Post by Tony
The use of the word was either deliberately misleading or stupid.
Not precise would be more the case.
At the time I thought, Good luck with that Jacina. This I got to see.
Obviously the fact that we have a flu season every year must elude the
poor thing as she tries to be a dictator
You have been looking for a failure from Jacinda Ardern for a long
time, George without finding anything, without finding one, but I
think you have just hit one - she is not and has not been a dictator;
if she had been trying to b one she has failed. I hope this makes your
day . . .
John Bowes
2020-04-26 22:49:10 UTC
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Post by George
On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 02:22:22 -0500
Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/121206976/prime-minister-needs-to-be-held-to-account-over-coronavirus-claims
Hiding behind literal meanings is a common practice in some
politicians. If she knew the technical term then she deliberately
misled us, otherwise she was naive at best.
A set of words to claim that lies are not lies
It is clear that we can expect occasional cases, even after
elimination. Travellers from overseas may be asymptomatic for
example, and there are known to be false negatives with tests.
We aim to have no road deaths and no murders - that is not apromise
that we wil never have them, but we will do our best to eliminate
them . . .
Elimination ia absolute.
If we get occasional cases the virus has not been eliminated.
Lets take the case of New Zealand being Covid19 free, and then we
import some. Which in a global economy is almost certain. So
elimination exists in NZ until the import.
Post by Tony
The use of the word was either deliberately misleading or stupid.
Not precise would be more the case.
At the time I thought, Good luck with that Jacina. This I got to see.
Obviously the fact that we have a flu season every year must elude the
poor thing as she tries to be a dictator
You have been looking for a failure from Jacinda Ardern for a long
time, George without finding anything, without finding one, but I
think you have just hit one - she is not and has not been a dictator;
if she had been trying to b one she has failed. I hope this makes your
day . . .
WRONG! We've seen nothing but failure from Jacinda and her commissars Rich! Everything they've pledged has failed! KiwiBuild, poverty reduction, open government and stopping of oil/gas searching to name just a few!

Not a dictator? Don't be bloody stupid! Look at Little and his desire to limit freedom of speech and the new draconian and stupid gun laws. BOTH perfect examples of a dictators attitudes!

Rich, there are lies, damn lies and your attempts to gloss over the gaping cracks in Winstons government! Give up you, like your government are just a bloody failure!
George
2020-04-27 01:34:39 UTC
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WRONG! We've seen nothing but failure from Jacinda and her commissars
Rich! Everything they've pledged has failed! KiwiBuild, poverty
reduction, open government and stopping of oil/gas searching to name
just a few!
Not a dictator? Don't be bloody stupid! Look at Little and his desire
to limit freedom of speech and the new draconian and stupid gun laws.
BOTH perfect examples of a dictators attitudes!
Rich, there are lies, damn lies and your attempts to gloss over the
gaping cracks in Winstons government! Give up you, like your
government are just a bloody failure!
Fraser House needs to update their 'sympathiser' :)
He's not very good is he
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2020-04-27 02:34:52 UTC
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WRONG! We've seen nothing but failure from Jacinda and her commissars
Rich! Everything they've pledged has failed! KiwiBuild, poverty
reduction, open government and stopping of oil/gas searching to name
just a few!
Not a dictator? Don't be bloody stupid! Look at Little and his desire
to limit freedom of speech and the new draconian and stupid gun laws.
BOTH perfect examples of a dictators attitudes!
Rich, there are lies, damn lies and your attempts to gloss over the
gaping cracks in Winstons government! Give up you, like your
government are just a bloody failure!
Fraser House needs to update their 'sympathiser' :)
He's not very good is he
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No he is not.
George, you put Rich in his place quite neatly.
George
2020-04-27 20:10:18 UTC
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Post by George
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Post by John Bowes
WRONG! We've seen nothing but failure from Jacinda and her
commissars Rich! Everything they've pledged has failed! KiwiBuild,
poverty reduction, open government and stopping of oil/gas
searching to name just a few!
Not a dictator? Don't be bloody stupid! Look at Little and his
desire to limit freedom of speech and the new draconian and stupid
gun laws. BOTH perfect examples of a dictators attitudes!
Rich, there are lies, damn lies and your attempts to gloss over the
gaping cracks in Winstons government! Give up you, like your
government are just a bloody failure!
Fraser House needs to update their 'sympathiser' :)
He's not very good is he
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No he is not.
George, you put Rich in his place quite neatly.
Thank you but I wish it didn't have Net access
Rich80105
2020-04-27 21:22:40 UTC
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On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 21:34:52 -0500
Post by Tony
Post by George
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 15:49:10 -0700 (PDT)
Post by John Bowes
WRONG! We've seen nothing but failure from Jacinda and her
commissars Rich! Everything they've pledged has failed! KiwiBuild,
poverty reduction, open government and stopping of oil/gas
searching to name just a few!
Not a dictator? Don't be bloody stupid! Look at Little and his
desire to limit freedom of speech and the new draconian and stupid
gun laws. BOTH perfect examples of a dictators attitudes!
Rich, there are lies, damn lies and your attempts to gloss over the
gaping cracks in Winstons government! Give up you, like your
government are just a bloody failure!
Fraser House needs to update their 'sympathiser' :)
He's not very good is he
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No he is not.
George, you put Rich in his place quite neatly.
Thank you but I wish it didn't have Net access
So there goes free speech, market forces, individual choice, exchange
of ideas - next you will be wanting to take away benefits for those
that do not vote the "Right" way!
Gordon
2020-04-28 05:01:55 UTC
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Post by George
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 21:34:52 -0500
Post by Tony
Post by George
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 15:49:10 -0700 (PDT)
Post by John Bowes
WRONG! We've seen nothing but failure from Jacinda and her
commissars Rich! Everything they've pledged has failed! KiwiBuild,
poverty reduction, open government and stopping of oil/gas
searching to name just a few!
Not a dictator? Don't be bloody stupid! Look at Little and his
desire to limit freedom of speech and the new draconian and stupid
gun laws. BOTH perfect examples of a dictators attitudes!
Rich, there are lies, damn lies and your attempts to gloss over the
gaping cracks in Winstons government! Give up you, like your
government are just a bloody failure!
Fraser House needs to update their 'sympathiser' :)
He's not very good is he
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No he is not.
George, you put Rich in his place quite neatly.
Thank you but I wish it didn't have Net access
So there goes free speech, market forces, individual choice, exchange
of ideas - next you will be wanting to take away benefits for those
that do not vote the "Right" way!
The conclusion jump of the week goes to ...
Rich80105
2020-04-28 10:29:36 UTC
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Post by George
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 21:34:52 -0500
Post by Tony
Post by George
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 15:49:10 -0700 (PDT)
Post by John Bowes
WRONG! We've seen nothing but failure from Jacinda and her
commissars Rich! Everything they've pledged has failed! KiwiBuild,
poverty reduction, open government and stopping of oil/gas
searching to name just a few!
Not a dictator? Don't be bloody stupid! Look at Little and his
desire to limit freedom of speech and the new draconian and stupid
gun laws. BOTH perfect examples of a dictators attitudes!
Rich, there are lies, damn lies and your attempts to gloss over the
gaping cracks in Winstons government! Give up you, like your
government are just a bloody failure!
Fraser House needs to update their 'sympathiser' :)
He's not very good is he
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No he is not.
George, you put Rich in his place quite neatly.
Thank you but I wish it didn't have Net access
So there goes free speech, market forces, individual choice, exchange
of ideas - next you will be wanting to take away benefits for those
that do not vote the "Right" way!
The conclusion jump of the week goes to ...
Absolutely - a descent to abuse invites misunderstandings and a change
of topic . . .
Tony
2020-04-28 20:56:41 UTC
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Post by George
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 21:34:52 -0500
Post by Tony
Post by George
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 15:49:10 -0700 (PDT)
Post by John Bowes
WRONG! We've seen nothing but failure from Jacinda and her
commissars Rich! Everything they've pledged has failed! KiwiBuild,
poverty reduction, open government and stopping of oil/gas
searching to name just a few!
Not a dictator? Don't be bloody stupid! Look at Little and his
desire to limit freedom of speech and the new draconian and stupid
gun laws. BOTH perfect examples of a dictators attitudes!
Rich, there are lies, damn lies and your attempts to gloss over the
gaping cracks in Winstons government! Give up you, like your
government are just a bloody failure!
Fraser House needs to update their 'sympathiser' :)
He's not very good is he
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No he is not.
George, you put Rich in his place quite neatly.
Thank you but I wish it didn't have Net access
So there goes free speech, market forces, individual choice, exchange
of ideas - next you will be wanting to take away benefits for those
that do not vote the "Right" way!
The conclusion jump of the week goes to ...
Absolutely - a descent to abuse invites misunderstandings and a change
of topic . . .
So why do you do it so often and why do you support others who abuse here?
John Bowes
2020-04-29 05:53:44 UTC
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Post by George
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 21:34:52 -0500
Post by Tony
Post by George
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 15:49:10 -0700 (PDT)
Post by John Bowes
WRONG! We've seen nothing but failure from Jacinda and her
commissars Rich! Everything they've pledged has failed! KiwiBuild,
poverty reduction, open government and stopping of oil/gas
searching to name just a few!
Not a dictator? Don't be bloody stupid! Look at Little and his
desire to limit freedom of speech and the new draconian and stupid
gun laws. BOTH perfect examples of a dictators attitudes!
Rich, there are lies, damn lies and your attempts to gloss over the
gaping cracks in Winstons government! Give up you, like your
government are just a bloody failure!
Fraser House needs to update their 'sympathiser' :)
He's not very good is he
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No he is not.
George, you put Rich in his place quite neatly.
Thank you but I wish it didn't have Net access
So there goes free speech, market forces, individual choice, exchange
of ideas - next you will be wanting to take away benefits for those
that do not vote the "Right" way!
The conclusion jump of the week goes to ...
Absolutely - a descent to abuse invites misunderstandings and a change
of topic . . .
So why do you do it so often and why do you support others who abuse here?
Bullys stick together so they feel safe and in Richie's case because they're to stupid to change or identify their own failings.
George
2020-04-28 20:16:15 UTC
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On 28 Apr 2020 05:01:55 GMT
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Post by George
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 21:34:52 -0500
Post by Tony
Post by George
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 15:49:10 -0700 (PDT)
Post by John Bowes
WRONG! We've seen nothing but failure from Jacinda and her
commissars Rich! Everything they've pledged has failed!
KiwiBuild, poverty reduction, open government and stopping of
oil/gas searching to name just a few!
Not a dictator? Don't be bloody stupid! Look at Little and his
desire to limit freedom of speech and the new draconian and
stupid gun laws. BOTH perfect examples of a dictators
attitudes!
Rich, there are lies, damn lies and your attempts to gloss
over the gaping cracks in Winstons government! Give up you,
like your government are just a bloody failure!
Fraser House needs to update their 'sympathiser' :)
He's not very good is he
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No he is not.
George, you put Rich in his place quite neatly.
Thank you but I wish it didn't have Net access
So there goes free speech, market forces, individual choice,
exchange of ideas - next you will be wanting to take away benefits
for those that do not vote the "Right" way!
The conclusion jump of the week goes to ...
:)
As I wrote Not the brightest
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2020-04-29 05:52:18 UTC
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On 28 Apr 2020 05:01:55 GMT
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On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 21:34:52 -0500
Post by Tony
Post by George
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 15:49:10 -0700 (PDT)
Post by John Bowes
WRONG! We've seen nothing but failure from Jacinda and her
commissars Rich! Everything they've pledged has failed!
KiwiBuild, poverty reduction, open government and stopping of
oil/gas searching to name just a few!
Not a dictator? Don't be bloody stupid! Look at Little and his
desire to limit freedom of speech and the new draconian and
stupid gun laws. BOTH perfect examples of a dictators
attitudes!
Rich, there are lies, damn lies and your attempts to gloss
over the gaping cracks in Winstons government! Give up you,
like your government are just a bloody failure!
Fraser House needs to update their 'sympathiser' :)
He's not very good is he
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No he is not.
George, you put Rich in his place quite neatly.
Thank you but I wish it didn't have Net access
So there goes free speech, market forces, individual choice,
exchange of ideas - next you will be wanting to take away benefits
for those that do not vote the "Right" way!
The conclusion jump of the week goes to ...
:)
As I wrote Not the brightest
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Maybe .005 watts ;)
John Bowes
2020-04-28 09:47:16 UTC
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On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 21:34:52 -0500
Post by Tony
Post by George
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 15:49:10 -0700 (PDT)
Post by John Bowes
WRONG! We've seen nothing but failure from Jacinda and her
commissars Rich! Everything they've pledged has failed! KiwiBuild,
poverty reduction, open government and stopping of oil/gas
searching to name just a few!
Not a dictator? Don't be bloody stupid! Look at Little and his
desire to limit freedom of speech and the new draconian and stupid
gun laws. BOTH perfect examples of a dictators attitudes!
Rich, there are lies, damn lies and your attempts to gloss over the
gaping cracks in Winstons government! Give up you, like your
government are just a bloody failure!
Fraser House needs to update their 'sympathiser' :)
He's not very good is he
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No he is not.
George, you put Rich in his place quite neatly.
Thank you but I wish it didn't have Net access
<lying stupidity snipped>
Rich80105
2020-04-28 10:32:53 UTC
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Post by George
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 21:34:52 -0500
Post by Tony
Post by George
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 15:49:10 -0700 (PDT)
Post by John Bowes
WRONG! We've seen nothing but failure from Jacinda and her
commissars Rich! Everything they've pledged has failed! KiwiBuild,
poverty reduction, open government and stopping of oil/gas
searching to name just a few!
Not a dictator? Don't be bloody stupid! Look at Little and his
desire to limit freedom of speech and the new draconian and stupid
gun laws. BOTH perfect examples of a dictators attitudes!
Rich, there are lies, damn lies and your attempts to gloss over the
gaping cracks in Winstons government! Give up you, like your
government are just a bloody failure!
Fraser House needs to update their 'sympathiser' :)
He's not very good is he
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No he is not.
George, you put Rich in his place quite neatly.
Thank you but I wish it didn't have Net access
<lying stupidity snipped>
Yes Tony, if in doubt delete discussion you do not wish to face or is
too close to realit for you to admit . . .
Tony
2020-04-28 21:01:00 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
Post by George
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 21:34:52 -0500
Post by Tony
Post by George
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 15:49:10 -0700 (PDT)
Post by John Bowes
WRONG! We've seen nothing but failure from Jacinda and her
commissars Rich! Everything they've pledged has failed! KiwiBuild,
poverty reduction, open government and stopping of oil/gas
searching to name just a few!
Not a dictator? Don't be bloody stupid! Look at Little and his
desire to limit freedom of speech and the new draconian and stupid
gun laws. BOTH perfect examples of a dictators attitudes!
Rich, there are lies, damn lies and your attempts to gloss over the
gaping cracks in Winstons government! Give up you, like your
government are just a bloody failure!
Fraser House needs to update their 'sympathiser' :)
He's not very good is he
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No he is not.
George, you put Rich in his place quite neatly.
Thank you but I wish it didn't have Net access
<lying stupidity snipped>
Yes Tony, if in doubt delete discussion you do not wish to face or is
too close to realit for you to admit . . .
I am not John Bowes and he is not me, an attempt by you to suggest otherwise is
bordering on cretinism (and that is not abuse, it is a medical term). I do not
post under any name but my own. How about you?
John Bowes
2020-04-29 05:57:58 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
Post by George
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 21:34:52 -0500
Post by Tony
Post by George
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 15:49:10 -0700 (PDT)
Post by John Bowes
WRONG! We've seen nothing but failure from Jacinda and her
commissars Rich! Everything they've pledged has failed! KiwiBuild,
poverty reduction, open government and stopping of oil/gas
searching to name just a few!
Not a dictator? Don't be bloody stupid! Look at Little and his
desire to limit freedom of speech and the new draconian and stupid
gun laws. BOTH perfect examples of a dictators attitudes!
Rich, there are lies, damn lies and your attempts to gloss over the
gaping cracks in Winstons government! Give up you, like your
government are just a bloody failure!
Fraser House needs to update their 'sympathiser' :)
He's not very good is he
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No he is not.
George, you put Rich in his place quite neatly.
Thank you but I wish it didn't have Net access
<lying stupidity snipped>
Yes Tony, if in doubt delete discussion you do not wish to face or is
too close to realit for you to admit . . .
I am not John Bowes and he is not me, an attempt by you to suggest otherwise is
bordering on cretinism (and that is not abuse, it is a medical term). I do not
post under any name but my own. How about you?
Rich hasn't got the technical skills to do that tony. Besides he'd need a spell checker to hide his constant use of teh and other equally stupid mispellings :)
John Bowes
2020-04-27 06:48:00 UTC
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WRONG! We've seen nothing but failure from Jacinda and her commissars
Rich! Everything they've pledged has failed! KiwiBuild, poverty
reduction, open government and stopping of oil/gas searching to name
just a few!
Not a dictator? Don't be bloody stupid! Look at Little and his desire
to limit freedom of speech and the new draconian and stupid gun laws.
BOTH perfect examples of a dictators attitudes!
Rich, there are lies, damn lies and your attempts to gloss over the
gaping cracks in Winstons government! Give up you, like your
government are just a bloody failure!
Fraser House needs to update their 'sympathiser' :)
He's not very good is he
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He's a perfect example of the dumb dictatorial dupes failing the people at the moment mate.
John Bowes
2020-04-26 10:13:19 UTC
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On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 02:22:22 -0500
Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/121206976/prime-minister-needs-to-be-held-to-account-over-coronavirus-claims
Hiding behind literal meanings is a common practice in some
politicians. If she knew the technical term then she deliberately
misled us, otherwise she was naive at best.
A set of words to claim that lies are not lies
It is clear that we can expect occasional cases, even after
elimination. Travellers from overseas may be asymptomatic for example,
and there are known to be false negatives with tests.
We aim to have no road deaths and no murders - that is not apromise
that we wil never have them, but we will do our best to eliminate them
. . .
Elimination ia absolute.
If we get occasional cases the virus has not been eliminated.
The use of the word was either deliberately misleading or stupid.
How about following Richie's practice and stupidly misleading?
JohnO
2020-04-26 04:23:06 UTC
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Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/121206976/prime-minister-needs-to-be-held-to-account-over-coronavirus-claims
Hiding behind literal meanings is a common practice in some
politicians. If she knew the technical term then she deliberately
misled us, otherwise she was naive at best.
A set of words to claim that lies are not lies
It is clear that we can expect occasional cases, even after
elimination. Travellers from overseas may be asymptomatic for example,
Overseas arrivals will be quarantined, dummy.
Post by Rich80105
and there are known to be false negatives with tests.
We aim to have no road deaths and no murders - that is not apromise
that we wil never have them, but we will do our best to eliminate them
. . .
Tony
2020-04-25 20:48:26 UTC
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/121206976/prime-minister-needs-to-be-held-to-account-over-coronavirus-claims
Hiding behind literal meanings is a common practice in some
politicians. If she knew the technical term then she deliberately
misled us, otherwise she was naive at best.
A set of words to claim that lies are not lies
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Indeed.
James Christophers
2020-04-26 01:39:55 UTC
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/121206976/prime-minister-needs-to-be-held-to-account-over-coronavirus-claims
Hiding behind literal meanings is a common practice in some politicians.
That may be so, but to say so in this context is, ipso facto, to prejudice anything further you may have to say on the topic.
Post by Tony
If she knew the technical term then she deliberately misled us, otherwise she
was naive at best.
She mentioned the term on April 22. The following day, April 23, and on further advice, she duly qualified what her experts had originally set before her.

As Head of crisis management, Ardern is its sole national mouthpiece. Hence, she must carry the can for all who inform and advise her, be they in error or not. Swap places with her, would you?

So, since the substance of the URL you give is the topic you have set, then any 'holding to account' shall be laid jointly at the doors of both Massey University and its grubby little alumnus, Steve Elers. Why?

Elers holds the smug, parasitic sinecure of - wait for it - Senior Lecturer at Massey University School of Communication, Journalism and Marketing.

So, Eler's manipulative propaganda is to be taken as authored by nothing but a half-baked, sub-basement spin doctor of no account, and a dismally incompetent one at that.

Ergo, none shall be fooled by Elers other than those who are themselves suggestible, too-willing fools of the first water.
Tony
2020-04-26 01:48:41 UTC
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/121206976/prime-minister-needs-to-be-held-to-account-over-coronavirus-claims
Hiding behind literal meanings is a common practice in some politicians.
That may be so, but to say so in this context is, ipso facto, to prejudice
anything further you may have to say on the topic.
Post by Tony
If she knew the technical term then she deliberately misled us, otherwise she
was naive at best.
She mentioned the term on April 22. The following day, April 23, and on
further advice, she duly qualified what her experts had originally set before
her.
As Head of crisis management, Ardern is its sole national mouthpiece. Hence,
she must carry the can for all who inform and advise her, be they in error or
not. Swap places with her, would you?
So, since the substance of the URL you give is the topic you have set, then
any 'holding to account' shall be laid jointly at the doors of both Massey
University and its grubby little alumnus, Steve Elers. Why?
Elers holds the smug, parasitic sinecure of - wait for it - Senior Lecturer at
Massey University School of Communication, Journalism and Marketing.
So, Eler's manipulative propaganda is to be taken as authored by nothing but a
half-baked, sub-basement spin doctor of no account, and a dismally incompetent
one at that.
Ergo, none shall be fooled by Elers other than those who are themselves
suggestible, too-willing fools of the first water.
Another piece of nonsense, for obvious and "grubby" reaons. Well feel free, you
will anyway Keith.
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