To stir the vitals of any right-thinking, boondocks redneck:

Post by James Christophers
Farrar's most recent Curia poll carried out on behalf of the National Party for their good-news anguish and dismay and - best news of all - exquisitely at their own expense!
A: Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern: 50.8%
V: Act Leader David Seymour: 9.3%
Z-minus: National leader Judith Collins: 4.4%.
Now for yer good ol' National caucus coup: Bishop or Bridges? Or even Luxon?
1. Bishop the Laddish: he who bears the perpetual look of some smirking adolescent who spends every waking moment being repeatedly caught with his fist jammed in the cookie jar? - or...
2. Bridges the Eeyore: the hunched, folorn little croaker, whose mien and comportment portray those of the relief mortician appointed by the local undertaker against his better judgement?
3. Luxon, yer bog-standard baldy clone.: His persona bears a strong resemblance to that sure, cold, dead-eyed look of the me-first, Honours-seeking, asset-stripper-cum-wealth-extractor we have only recently snd gratefully seen the back of. The zero-productivity rentier class will cleave to him like blowflies round a dog-turd.
Come to think of it, could all three of these gentlemen be yet another iteration of today's over-used slogan: "Healthy Options"?
(Hint: be careful who you opt for. Your own health and welfare will critically depend on it.)

Our health and welfare are already at risk. We can't get National as government for at least another two years. so how about going and trolling somewhere else Keith.

Tony

2021-09-17 03:52:35 UTC

James Christophers <***@gmail.com> wrote:
Farrar's most recent Curia poll carried out on behalf of the National Party for
their good-news anguish and dismay and - best news of all - exquisitely at
their own expense!

Post by James Christophers
A: Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern: 50.8%
V: Act Leader David Seymour: 9.3%
Z-minus: National leader Judith Collins: 4.4%.
Now for yer good ol' National caucus coup: Bishop or Bridges? Or even Luxon?
1. Bishop the Laddish: he who bears the perpetual look of some smirking
adolescent who spends every waking moment being repeatedly caught with his fist
jammed in the cookie jar? - or...
2. Bridges the Eeyore: the hunched, folorn little croaker, whose mien and
comportment portray those of the relief mortician appointed by the local
undertaker against his better judgement?
3. Luxon, yer bog-standard baldy clone.: His persona bears a strong
resemblance to that sure, cold, dead-eyed look of the me-first,
Honours-seeking, asset-stripper-cum-wealth-extractor we have only recently snd
gratefully seen the back of. The zero-productivity rentier class will cleave
to him like blowflies round a dog-turd.
Come to think of it, could all three of these gentlemen be yet another
iteration of today's over-used slogan: "Healthy Options"?
(Hint: be careful who you opt for. Your own health and welfare will
critically depend on it.)

There you go again, character assassination disguised as left wing political
debate.
Yawn!
What a revolting, caustic, failed wannabe hitler you are.
You couldn't conduct a political debate with a gargoyle, you would lose
ignominiously.
Try Rich for size, he fits the bill quite well.
Alternatively carry on with your buddy in beating up on people that actually
want to make this a better country, you are very keen to criticise the country
and the people but what have you, yes you, ever actually done for it.
I commend the words of a long dead US president. I know you will remember them
- they were aimed at such as you.

James Christophers

2021-09-17 05:08:37 UTC

There you go again, character assassination disguised as left wing political
debate.

Nah. Were he alive today, Voltaire would reassure you otherwise. His philosophically **constructive** way of thinking still holds good today among those countless millions who know and appreciate the never-ending need to keep these moments in history in perspective and proportion.

Even poor ol' Simon would confirm this to you, however ruefully. What's more, Luxon, being way, way bigger that you could ever be, would simply laugh it off and come back with a good-natured and even sharper riposte - and good on 'im, say I!

Indeed, those who can't accept these inevitable, immutable facts of life are those whose determination to suck the oxygen out of any space they so miserably infest relegates them and their tragic lack of perspective to the outer peripheries of society. They are the true pariahs who will do their damndest to expunge and eradicate any hope of enlivening and inspiring others to make the very best of their own existence, i.e. those who count among the very people who make such a positive and universal contribution to life and all its inescapable realities.

Tony

2021-09-17 05:35:30 UTC

There you go again, character assassination disguised as left wing political
debate.

Nah. Were he alive today, Voltaire would reassure you otherwise. His
philosophically **constructive** way of thinking still holds good today among
those countless millions who know and appreciate the never-ending need to keep
these moments in history in perspective and proportion.
Even poor ol' Simon would confirm this to you, however ruefully. What's more,
Luxon, being way, way bigger that you could ever be, would simply laugh it off
and come back with a good-natured and even sharper riposte - and good on 'im,
say I!
Indeed, those who can't accept these inevitable, immutable facts of life are
those whose determination to suck the oxygen out of any space they so miserably
infest relegates them and their tragic lack of perspective to the outer
peripheries of society. They are the true pariahs who will do their damndest to
expunge and eradicate any hope of enlivening and inspiring others to make the
very best of their own existence, i.e. those who count among the very people
who make such a positive and universal contribution to life and all its
inescapable realities.

No, you are simply a bully.
End of - as you often have it.

Nellie the Elephant

2021-09-17 20:51:54 UTC

On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 00:35:30 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

There you go again, character assassination disguised as left wing political
debate.

Nah. Were he alive today, Voltaire would reassure you otherwise. His
philosophically **constructive** way of thinking still holds good today among
those countless millions who know and appreciate the never-ending need to keep
these moments in history in perspective and proportion.
Even poor ol' Simon would confirm this to you, however ruefully. What's more,
Luxon, being way, way bigger that you could ever be, would simply laugh it off
and come back with a good-natured and even sharper riposte - and good on 'im,
say I!
Indeed, those who can't accept these inevitable, immutable facts of life are
those whose determination to suck the oxygen out of any space they so miserably
infest relegates them and their tragic lack of perspective to the outer
peripheries of society. They are the true pariahs who will do their damndest to
expunge and eradicate any hope of enlivening and inspiring others to make the
very best of their own existence, i.e. those who count among the very people
who make such a positive and universal contribution to life and all its
inescapable realities.

No, you are simply a bully.

Exactly, and he loves it - no jollies from any other source.

Post by Tony
End of - as you often have it.

James Christophers

2021-09-17 23:28:36 UTC

Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 00:35:30 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

There you go again, character assassination disguised as left wing political
debate.

Nah. Were he alive today, Voltaire would reassure you otherwise. His
philosophically **constructive** way of thinking still holds good today among
those countless millions who know and appreciate the never-ending need to keep
these moments in history in perspective and proportion.
Even poor ol' Simon would confirm this to you, however ruefully. What's more,
Luxon, being way, way bigger that you could ever be, would simply laugh it off
and come back with a good-natured and even sharper riposte - and good on 'im,
say I!
Indeed, those who can't accept these inevitable, immutable facts of life are
those whose determination to suck the oxygen out of any space they so miserably
infest relegates them and their tragic lack of perspective to the outer
peripheries of society. They are the true pariahs who will do their damndest to
expunge and eradicate any hope of enlivening and inspiring others to make the
very best of their own existence, i.e. those who count among the very people
who make such a positive and universal contribution to life and all its
inescapable realities.

No, you are simply a bully.

Exactly, and he loves it - no jollies from any other source.

A brief review of Farrar's poll informs the reader that, unsurprisingly, more than a third of those polled allegedly don't really give a gnat's fart one way or the other who should really be running the outfit. A point too easily missed by those who must needs hasten to make public their jaundiced, joyless impotence and frustrations at the way the world wags - this just when a brief spot of Voltarian satire is all it takes to relieve such an unnatural defeatism, hence providing a truer sense of real-world perspectives and optimism.

Again, political ambition invariably has its price; so there can be no bullying of politicians when it is they themselves who knowingly, willingly, offer themselves up as Aunt Sallys to the satirist-in-waiting (think NZ's Braunias, Manhire et al.)

There will be those old enough to recall the rise and rise of British TV and radio political satire starting in the early 1960's. I was then working in an operational role at its epicentre. I witnessed first-hand the sweeping away once and for all of the suffocating false deference of those times, putting every politician from PM to back-bencher on notice that they were now on the same political footing as those they represented. Democracy was never better served than it was during and since that era, and this continues to this day across the world, from Monty Python to Gliding On - and beyond, in and on every medium where freedom of speech is to be cherished and maintained...

...which brings us back to those two little words, perspective and proportion, their essences including both insight and a healthy sense of skepticism and good humour where and when they matter most - and that goes for both politicians and ourselves alike.

Nothing but good can come of it.

Rich80105

2021-09-18 00:06:25 UTC

On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 16:28:36 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers

Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 00:35:30 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

There you go again, character assassination disguised as left wing political
debate.

Nah. Were he alive today, Voltaire would reassure you otherwise. His
philosophically **constructive** way of thinking still holds good today among
those countless millions who know and appreciate the never-ending need to keep
these moments in history in perspective and proportion.
Even poor ol' Simon would confirm this to you, however ruefully. What's more,
Luxon, being way, way bigger that you could ever be, would simply laugh it off
and come back with a good-natured and even sharper riposte - and good on 'im,
say I!
Indeed, those who can't accept these inevitable, immutable facts of life are
those whose determination to suck the oxygen out of any space they so miserably
infest relegates them and their tragic lack of perspective to the outer
peripheries of society. They are the true pariahs who will do their damndest to
expunge and eradicate any hope of enlivening and inspiring others to make the
very best of their own existence, i.e. those who count among the very people
who make such a positive and universal contribution to life and all its
inescapable realities.

No, you are simply a bully.

Exactly, and he loves it - no jollies from any other source.

A brief review of Farrar's poll informs the reader that, unsurprisingly, more than a third of those polled allegedly don't really give a gnat's fart one way or the other who should really be running the outfit. A point too easily missed by those who must needs hasten to make public their jaundiced, joyless impotence and frustrations at the way the world wags - this just when a brief spot of Voltarian satire is all it takes to relieve such an unnatural defeatism, hence providing a truer sense of real-world perspectives and optimism.
Again, political ambition invariably has its price; so there can be no bullying of politicians when it is they themselves who knowingly, willingly, offer themselves up as Aunt Sallys to the satirist-in-waiting (think NZ's Braunias, Manhire et al.)
There will be those old enough to recall the rise and rise of British TV and radio political satire starting in the early 1960's. I was then working in an operational role at its epicentre. I witnessed first-hand the sweeping away once and for all of the suffocating false deference of those times, putting every politician from PM to back-bencher on notice that they were now on the same political footing as those they represented. Democracy was never better served than it was during and since that era, and this continues to this day across the world, from Monty Python to Gliding On - and beyond, in and on every medium where freedom of speech is to be cherished and maintained...
...which brings us back to those two little words, perspective and proportion, their essences including both insight and a healthy sense of skepticism and good humour where and when they matter most - and that goes for both politicians and ourselves alike.
Nothing but good can come of it.

And regarding perspective and proportion, I thought this article shows
both:
https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/liberal-conservatives-and-social-democrats-the-future-of-mori

Nellie the Elephant

2021-09-17 22:20:03 UTC

On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 00:35:30 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

There you go again, character assassination disguised as left wing political
debate.

Nah. Were he alive today, Voltaire would reassure you otherwise. His
philosophically **constructive** way of thinking still holds good today among
those countless millions who know and appreciate the never-ending need to keep
these moments in history in perspective and proportion.
Even poor ol' Simon would confirm this to you, however ruefully. What's more,
Luxon, being way, way bigger that you could ever be, would simply laugh it off
and come back with a good-natured and even sharper riposte - and good on 'im,
say I!
Indeed, those who can't accept these inevitable, immutable facts of life are
those whose determination to suck the oxygen out of any space they so miserably
infest relegates them and their tragic lack of perspective to the outer
peripheries of society. They are the true pariahs who will do their damndest to
expunge and eradicate any hope of enlivening and inspiring others to make the
very best of their own existence, i.e. those who count among the very people
who make such a positive and universal contribution to life and all its
inescapable realities.

No, you are simply a bully.

Exactly, and he loves it - no jollies from any other source.

Post by Tony
End of - as you often have it.

Rich80105

2021-09-17 22:44:06 UTC

On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 10:20:03 +1200, Nellie the Elephant

Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 00:35:30 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net

There you go again, character assassination disguised as left wing political
debate.

Nah. Were he alive today, Voltaire would reassure you otherwise. His
philosophically **constructive** way of thinking still holds good today among
those countless millions who know and appreciate the never-ending need to keep
these moments in history in perspective and proportion.
Even poor ol' Simon would confirm this to you, however ruefully. What's more,
Luxon, being way, way bigger that you could ever be, would simply laugh it off
and come back with a good-natured and even sharper riposte - and good on 'im,
say I!
Indeed, those who can't accept these inevitable, immutable facts of life are
those whose determination to suck the oxygen out of any space they so miserably
infest relegates them and their tragic lack of perspective to the outer
peripheries of society. They are the true pariahs who will do their damndest to
expunge and eradicate any hope of enlivening and inspiring others to make the
very best of their own existence, i.e. those who count among the very people
who make such a positive and universal contribution to life and all its
inescapable realities.

No, you are simply a bully.

Exactly, and he loves it - no jollies from any other source.

Post by Tony
End of - as you often have it.

But to get away from petty and irrelevant silly name calling and back
to the subject of the thread:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/126406390/were-talking-about-nothing-short-of-a-national-party-revolution

Tony

2021-09-17 04:36:23 UTC

There you go again, character assassination disguised as left wing political
debate.
Yawn!
What a revolting, caustic, failed wannabe hitler you are.
You couldn't conduct a political debate with a gargoyle, you would lose
ignominiously.
Try Rich for size, he fits the bill quite well.
Alternatively carry on with your buddy in beating up on people that actually
want to make this a better country, you are very keen to criticise the country
and the people but what have you, yes you, ever actually done for it?
I commend the words of a long dead US president. I know you will remember them
- they were aimed at such as you.

Tony

2021-09-17 04:43:29 UTC

On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 19:37:39 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers

There may well have been polls comissined by the National Party - it
has been claimed that they have regular polls even when in Opposition;
but some of the reports identify one poll as being for the Taxpayers
Union - see
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/09/national-party-slumps-to-21-3-pct-act-just-6-points-behind-in-new-nz-taxpayers-union-poll.html
and
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/09/a_curia_poll_the_media_have_overlooked.html
It is hard to see how commissioning a poll of the nature of these is
in any way consistent with the stated aims of the Taxpayer Union,but
releasing it may have been either part of an attempt to be seen as not
linked too closely to National and ACT, or to persuade some within the
party to make some decisions. Curia is used by National, but it is
possible that funding surveys and/or donating money to the Taxpayers
Union is a way of providing some support to "particular causes"
without having to declare a political donation . . .

And you will have proof of that won't you, or otherwise somebody might just
take you to court. As you well deserve.

John Bowes

2021-09-17 05:01:25 UTC