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Tony
2020-04-29 05:24:30 UTC
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300001072/winston-peters-attempts-to-take-the-shine-off-the-health-ministry
The ministry is charged with making recommendations, in this case, to protect
us all from this virus.
Closing the borders to returning Kiwis would have helped to do that. So they
made that recommendation. It was not their responsibility to look at any
non-health issues. That was for the government to do.
And that is what happened.
Peters is wrong to blame the ministry and he shows once more what his real
motives are.
Rich80105
2020-04-29 05:40:16 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 00:24:30 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300001072/winston-peters-attempts-to-take-the-shine-off-the-health-ministry
The ministry is charged with making recommendations, in this case, to protect
us all from this virus.
Closing the borders to returning Kiwis would have helped to do that. So they
made that recommendation. It was not their responsibility to look at any
non-health issues. That was for the government to do.
And that is what happened.
Peters is wrong to blame the ministry and he shows once more what his real
motives are.
Again the headline didn't really fi the article - but that is just
"Stuff"

I would have expected health to have said to government that they have
not recommended blocking New Zealanders from returning solely because
that would have been illegal; that on health grounds alone this would
have been a reasonable precaution. Or to have said we recommend
blocking but draw to cabinets attentionthat this is currently illegal
and would require a decision to reverse relevant laws. We will see
whether either of these were recommended when the cabinet papers are
released.

What did come through was:
"Peters' intervention served as an important political signal. He
wanted to make clear to the many people on the political Right, who
think the Government has been overly deferential to the Ministry of
Health, that it had actually rejected its advice once or twice. And he
wanted to show people on the other side of the ledger why you can't
just blithely "follow the science" and do exactly what your officials
recommend.

It worked a treat."
John Bowes
2020-04-29 06:03:13 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 00:24:30 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300001072/winston-peters-attempts-to-take-the-shine-off-the-health-ministry
The ministry is charged with making recommendations, in this case, to protect
us all from this virus.
Closing the borders to returning Kiwis would have helped to do that. So they
made that recommendation. It was not their responsibility to look at any
non-health issues. That was for the government to do.
And that is what happened.
Peters is wrong to blame the ministry and he shows once more what his real
motives are.
Again the headline didn't really fi the article - but that is just
"Stuff"
I would have expected health to have said to government that they have
not recommended blocking New Zealanders from returning solely because
that would have been illegal; that on health grounds alone this would
have been a reasonable precaution. Or to have said we recommend
blocking but draw to cabinets attentionthat this is currently illegal
and would require a decision to reverse relevant laws. We will see
whether either of these were recommended when the cabinet papers are
released.
"Peters' intervention served as an important political signal. He
wanted to make clear to the many people on the political Right, who
think the Government has been overly deferential to the Ministry of
Health, that it had actually rejected its advice once or twice. And he
wanted to show people on the other side of the ledger why you can't
just blithely "follow the science" and do exactly what your officials
recommend.
It worked a treat."
Wrong! Winston's bullshit (even though based on truth) is like so many of your posts Rich. Done to try and make Winston and his Coalition of Losers look good even though the facts suggest they did in fact fiddle while New Zealand let possible infected Kiwis back in the country!
Tony
2020-04-29 07:03:37 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 00:24:30 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300001072/winston-peters-attempts-to-take-the-shine-off-the-health-ministry
The ministry is charged with making recommendations, in this case, to protect
us all from this virus.
Closing the borders to returning Kiwis would have helped to do that. So they
made that recommendation. It was not their responsibility to look at any
non-health issues. That was for the government to do.
And that is what happened.
Peters is wrong to blame the ministry and he shows once more what his real
motives are.
Again the headline didn't really fi the article - but that is just
"Stuff"
I would have expected health to have said to government that they have
not recommended blocking New Zealanders from returning solely because
that would have been illegal; that on health grounds alone this would
have been a reasonable precaution. Or to have said we recommend
blocking but draw to cabinets attentionthat this is currently illegal
and would require a decision to reverse relevant laws. We will see
whether either of these were recommended when the cabinet papers are
released.
Not their job.
They did their job and cabinet did theirs.
Peters is just being a dick again.
He has destroyed more official's careers than anyuone else since he has been in
parliament.
Post by Rich80105
"Peters' intervention served as an important political signal. He
wanted to make clear to the many people on the political Right, who
think the Government has been overly deferential to the Ministry of
Health, that it had actually rejected its advice once or twice. And he
wanted to show people on the other side of the ledger why you can't
just blithely "follow the science" and do exactly what your officials
recommend.
It worked a treat."
Rich80105
2020-04-29 08:53:01 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 02:03:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 00:24:30 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300001072/winston-peters-attempts-to-take-the-shine-off-the-health-ministry
The ministry is charged with making recommendations, in this case, to protect
us all from this virus.
Closing the borders to returning Kiwis would have helped to do that. So they
made that recommendation. It was not their responsibility to look at any
non-health issues. That was for the government to do.
And that is what happened.
Peters is wrong to blame the ministry and he shows once more what his real
motives are.
Again the headline didn't really fi the article - but that is just
"Stuff"
I would have expected health to have said to government that they have
not recommended blocking New Zealanders from returning solely because
that would have been illegal; that on health grounds alone this would
have been a reasonable precaution. Or to have said we recommend
blocking but draw to cabinets attentionthat this is currently illegal
and would require a decision to reverse relevant laws. We will see
whether either of these were recommended when the cabinet papers are
released.
Not their job.
They did their job and cabinet did theirs.
Peters is just being a dick again.
He has destroyed more official's careers than anyuone else since he has been in
parliament.
Not this time. He knows National better than they know themselves -
potential criticism cut off before Bridges even thought of the
possibility.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
"Peters' intervention served as an important political signal. He
wanted to make clear to the many people on the political Right, who
think the Government has been overly deferential to the Ministry of
Health, that it had actually rejected its advice once or twice. And he
wanted to show people on the other side of the ledger why you can't
just blithely "follow the science" and do exactly what your officials
recommend.
It worked a treat."
... and it worked a treat.
John Bowes
2020-04-29 10:35:27 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 02:03:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 00:24:30 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300001072/winston-peters-attempts-to-take-the-shine-off-the-health-ministry
The ministry is charged with making recommendations, in this case, to protect
us all from this virus.
Closing the borders to returning Kiwis would have helped to do that. So they
made that recommendation. It was not their responsibility to look at any
non-health issues. That was for the government to do.
And that is what happened.
Peters is wrong to blame the ministry and he shows once more what his real
motives are.
Again the headline didn't really fi the article - but that is just
"Stuff"
I would have expected health to have said to government that they have
not recommended blocking New Zealanders from returning solely because
that would have been illegal; that on health grounds alone this would
have been a reasonable precaution. Or to have said we recommend
blocking but draw to cabinets attentionthat this is currently illegal
and would require a decision to reverse relevant laws. We will see
whether either of these were recommended when the cabinet papers are
released.
Not their job.
They did their job and cabinet did theirs.
Peters is just being a dick again.
He has destroyed more official's careers than anyuone else since he has been in
parliament.
Not this time. He knows National better than they know themselves -
potential criticism cut off before Bridges even thought of the
possibility.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
"Peters' intervention served as an important political signal. He
wanted to make clear to the many people on the political Right, who
think the Government has been overly deferential to the Ministry of
Health, that it had actually rejected its advice once or twice. And he
wanted to show people on the other side of the ledger why you can't
just blithely "follow the science" and do exactly what your officials
recommend.
It worked a treat."
... and it worked a treat.
BULLSHIT as usual :0
Tony
2020-04-29 20:35:33 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 02:03:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 00:24:30 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300001072/winston-peters-attempts-to-take-the-shine-off-the-health-ministry
The ministry is charged with making recommendations, in this case, to protect
us all from this virus.
Closing the borders to returning Kiwis would have helped to do that. So they
made that recommendation. It was not their responsibility to look at any
non-health issues. That was for the government to do.
And that is what happened.
Peters is wrong to blame the ministry and he shows once more what his real
motives are.
Again the headline didn't really fi the article - but that is just
"Stuff"
I would have expected health to have said to government that they have
not recommended blocking New Zealanders from returning solely because
that would have been illegal; that on health grounds alone this would
have been a reasonable precaution. Or to have said we recommend
blocking but draw to cabinets attentionthat this is currently illegal
and would require a decision to reverse relevant laws. We will see
whether either of these were recommended when the cabinet papers are
released.
Not their job.
They did their job and cabinet did theirs.
Peters is just being a dick again.
He has destroyed more official's careers than anyuone else since he has been in
parliament.
Not this time. He knows National better than they know themselves -
potential criticism cut off before Bridges even thought of the
possibility.
Wrong - he tried to destroy the careers of more than one official - the man is
a coward (no wonder you like him).
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
"Peters' intervention served as an important political signal. He
wanted to make clear to the many people on the political Right, who
think the Government has been overly deferential to the Ministry of
Health, that it had actually rejected its advice once or twice. And he
wanted to show people on the other side of the ledger why you can't
just blithely "follow the science" and do exactly what your officials
recommend.
It worked a treat."
John Bowes
2020-04-29 06:01:04 UTC
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Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300001072/winston-peters-attempts-to-take-the-shine-off-the-health-ministry
The ministry is charged with making recommendations, in this case, to protect
us all from this virus.
Closing the borders to returning Kiwis would have helped to do that. So they
made that recommendation. It was not their responsibility to look at any
non-health issues. That was for the government to do.
And that is what happened.
Peters is wrong to blame the ministry and he shows once more what his real
motives are.
Winston is looking for statements he can use in the election that he hopes will get him back into parliament. He's quite happy to hang public servants out to dry for pushing sensible policies destined to protect us.
George
2020-04-29 20:09:16 UTC
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 23:01:04 -0700 (PDT)
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 5:24:37 PM UTC+12,
Post by Tony
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300001072/winston-peters-attempts-to-take-the-shine-off-the-health-ministry
The ministry is charged with making recommendations, in this case,
to protect us all from this virus.
Closing the borders to returning Kiwis would have helped to do
that. So they made that recommendation. It was not their
responsibility to look at any non-health issues. That was for the
government to do. And that is what happened.
Peters is wrong to blame the ministry and he shows once more what
his real motives are.
Winston is looking for statements he can use in the election that he
hopes will get him back into parliament. He's quite happy to hang
public servants out to dry for pushing sensible policies destined to
protect us.
Pity that previous public servants didn't take action against the
clown..
Every election he lies his way into the gullibles head.
Sales of Huka Lodge and so on.
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