Discussion:
Yeah right indeed
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Tony
2020-02-25 19:47:43 UTC
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https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/02/26/1052384/this-generations-nuclear-free-moment
"If this Government had been in charge in 1985 when the USS Buchanan came
knocking, the United States may have received an official protest letter at the
docks, along with tea, biscuits and invites for more visits."
The PM has proven beyond all doubt that she either cannot or will not face the
hard issues.
JohnO
2020-02-25 21:07:28 UTC
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Post by Tony
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/02/26/1052384/this-generations-nuclear-free-moment
"If this Government had been in charge in 1985 when the USS Buchanan came
knocking, the United States may have received an official protest letter at the
docks, along with tea, biscuits and invites for more visits."
The PM has proven beyond all doubt that she either cannot or will not face the
hard issues.
But... but... but... Princess Chompers assured us that dealing with climate change was our "nuclear free moment"!

Lets face it - Labour's COL has failed on all of their loudly trumpeted election planks.

Housing and Kiwibuild - FAIL

Child poverdy - FAIL

Climate change - FAIL

They only thing these clowns are good at is setting up working groups.

Time for a change.
Rich80105
2020-02-26 02:53:02 UTC
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Post by JohnO
Post by Tony
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/02/26/1052384/this-generations-nuclear-free-moment
"If this Government had been in charge in 1985 when the USS Buchanan came
knocking, the United States may have received an official protest letter at the
docks, along with tea, biscuits and invites for more visits."
The PM has proven beyond all doubt that she either cannot or will not face the
hard issues.
What a crock of shit you write, Tony. Labour policies from before th
election are now subject to agreement from both the GReen and NZ First
parties. Under MMP, it is not appropriate to presume that the policies
of any one party will be able to be put into law - in other words they
are not necessarily the policies of the Government.
Post by JohnO
But... but... but... Princess Chompers assured us that dealing with climate change was our "nuclear free moment"!
And JohnO demonstrates his bias, bigotry, and general nastiness that
Nat-bots are famed for. Using derogatory names for females is just so
60s National . . .
Post by JohnO
Lets face it - Labour's COL has failed on all of their loudly trumpeted election planks.
"COL"? All this shows JohnO is that you do not understand our
electoral law. There were very few "election planks" that were agree
by the three parties.
Post by JohnO
Housing and Kiwibuild - FAIL
Except instead of selling them off we are building and buying - the
government has increased its howing stock by more than any other
government for more than 20 years.
Post by JohnO
Child poverdy - FAIL
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/18400-children-lifted-out-poverty
with more to come . . .
Post by JohnO
Climate change - FAIL
What has failed, JohnO? What is it you wanted them to do that they
have not done?
Post by JohnO
They only thing these clowns are good at is setting up working groups.
For which they didnt quite manage to get as many as the new
National-led government did in its first year . . .
Post by JohnO
Time for a change.
There is an election later this year - and yes there willbe change - I
expect a Labour / Green coalition, and that National and NZ First will
have a change of Leader.
Crash
2020-02-26 03:38:53 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by Tony
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/02/26/1052384/this-generations-nuclear-free-moment
"If this Government had been in charge in 1985 when the USS Buchanan came
knocking, the United States may have received an official protest letter at the
docks, along with tea, biscuits and invites for more visits."
The PM has proven beyond all doubt that she either cannot or will not face the
hard issues.
What a crock of shit you write, Tony.
So there goes your objective debate Rich. Tony was quite measured in
what he said: "cannot" or "will not".
Post by Rich80105
Labour policies from before th
election are now subject to agreement from both the GReen and NZ First
parties. Under MMP, it is not appropriate to presume that the policies
of any one party will be able to be put into law - in other words they
are not necessarily the policies of the Government.
Rich, you are quite correct. But Tony is also quite correct - this
qualifies as "cannot" in respect of Labour policies blocked by NZF or
the Greens.
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
But... but... but... Princess Chompers assured us that dealing with climate change was our "nuclear free moment"!
And JohnO demonstrates his bias, bigotry, and general nastiness that
Nat-bots are famed for. Using derogatory names for females is just so
60s National . . .
Pass for now.
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Lets face it - Labour's COL has failed on all of their loudly trumpeted election planks.
"COL"? All this shows JohnO is that you do not understand our
electoral law. There were very few "election planks" that were agree
by the three parties.
Incorrect. Labour are the dominant party in respect of voter support
and MP count in this government, but it is NZF that get to veto
anything at any time. Ardern and Labour don't have what it takes to
deal with this - they just put up with it. The Greens have no-where
else to go so they do not have the leverage that NZF has.
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Housing and Kiwibuild - FAIL
Except instead of selling them off we are building and buying - the
government has increased its howing stock by more than any other
government for more than 20 years.
Cite please - particularly the 'more than 20 years' bit.
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Child poverdy - FAIL
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/18400-children-lifted-out-poverty
with more to come . . .
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/02/new-child-poverty-data-for-new-zealand-shows-no-significant-change-in-material-hardship.html

Note it was updated yesterday.
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Climate change - FAIL
What has failed, JohnO? What is it you wanted them to do that they
have not done?
Post by JohnO
They only thing these clowns are good at is setting up working groups.
For which they didnt quite manage to get as many as the new
National-led government did in its first year . . .
Post by JohnO
Time for a change.
There is an election later this year - and yes there willbe change - I
expect a Labour / Green coalition, and that National and NZ First will
have a change of Leader.
NZF might well be gone - and gone for good if serious wrongdoing is
found by the SFO.


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Crash McBash
Rich80105
2020-02-26 10:05:15 UTC
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Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by Tony
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/02/26/1052384/this-generations-nuclear-free-moment
"If this Government had been in charge in 1985 when the USS Buchanan came
knocking, the United States may have received an official protest letter at the
docks, along with tea, biscuits and invites for more visits."
The PM has proven beyond all doubt that she either cannot or will not face the
hard issues.
What a crock of shit you write, Tony.
So there goes your objective debate Rich. Tony was quite measured in
what he said: "cannot" or "will not".
Tony's comments were in relation to an admittedly shallow opinion
piece which confused an election slogan for one party with the
government - that has been covered in another thread, but Tony then
went on to say that, in effect, the PM has not and is not facing the
hard issues. Whether policy consistent with the policy that would have
been implemented had the governmetn consisted only of Labour or of
Labour and the Green Party we will never know - the reality is that we
did not elect such a government. But to assert that the Prime Minister
is not facing the hard issues is indeed a crock of shit. There have
been numerous cases when she has "faced the hard issues" - it is part
of the reason why Jacinda Ardern is well known internationally for
example.
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
Labour policies from before th
election are now subject to agreement from both the GReen and NZ First
parties. Under MMP, it is not appropriate to presume that the policies
of any one party will be able to be put into law - in other words they
are not necessarily the policies of the Government.
Rich, you are quite correct. But Tony is also quite correct - this
qualifies as "cannot" in respect of Labour policies blocked by NZF or
the Greens.
I read it as a wider criticism, which I believe it was - Tony was not
restricting his comments purely to the article, but drawing a
conclusion relating to wider issues.
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
But... but... but... Princess Chompers assured us that dealing with climate change was our "nuclear free moment"!
And JohnO demonstrates his bias, bigotry, and general nastiness that
Nat-bots are famed for. Using derogatory names for females is just so
60s National . . .
Pass for now.
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Lets face it - Labour's COL has failed on all of their loudly trumpeted election planks.
"COL"? All this shows JohnO is that you do not understand our
electoral law. There were very few "election planks" that were agree
by the three parties.
Incorrect. Labour are the dominant party in respect of voter support
and MP count in this government, but it is NZF that get to veto
anything at any time. Ardern and Labour don't have what it takes to
deal with this - they just put up with it. The Greens have no-where
else to go so they do not have the leverage that NZF has.
There were very few "election planks" that were agreed
by the three parties does however remain true, and whetver yuo believe
about 'leverage', all legislation now supported by National needs to
be supported by at least some of both the Green Party and NZ First.
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Housing and Kiwibuild - FAIL
Except instead of selling them off we are building and buying - the
government has increased its housing stock by more than any other
government for more than 20 years.
Cite please - particularly the 'more than 20 years' bit.
I had seen an article referring to alonger period, but I cannot locate
it at present; I will post when I find it. If someone elese has the
details of the increase (or decrease) in government housing stock I
would be interested.
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Child poverdy - FAIL
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/18400-children-lifted-out-poverty
with more to come . . .
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/02/new-child-poverty-data-for-new-zealand-shows-no-significant-change-in-material-hardship.html
Note it was updated yesterday.
I don't think that is an update; it just includes additional
statistics, all issued by Stats NZ. The statistic referred to by
Labour was I believe the measure that was used at the time the target
was made. The others are however relevant; thanks for posting them. As
can be expected, different indicators measure slightly different
things, and in a complex area some witll move differently over time.
There is a bit more information here:
https://www.labour.org.nz/childpovertystatsfeb2020

A change just announced today will also help:
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/benefit-settings-rise-line-wages-1-april
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Climate change - FAIL
What has failed, JohnO? What is it you wanted them to do that they
have not done?
Post by JohnO
They only thing these clowns are good at is setting up working groups.
For which they didnt quite manage to get as many as the new
National-led government did in its first year . . .
Post by JohnO
Time for a change.
There is an election later this year - and yes there willbe change - I
expect a Labour / Green coalition, and that National and NZ First will
have a change of Leader.
NZF might well be gone - and gone for good if serious wrongdoing is
found by the SFO.
I think the donations scandal will affect leader popularity for both
Bridges and Peters, and the vote for their parties. National's cynical
campaign against NZ First when they have problems of their own will
not have gone unnoticed. Still, people have written Winston Peters off
before . . .
Gordon
2020-02-27 06:21:23 UTC
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Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Housing and Kiwibuild - FAIL
Except instead of selling them off we are building and buying - the
government has increased its howing stock by more than any other
government for more than 20 years.
Cite please - particularly the 'more than 20 years' bit.
More clarity is needed. Just read what Rich has writtten. Sounds like the
ouput from someone on dope.

The more than 20 years is simple. Pick a year before 2000 and add 21 or more
to it.

John Bowes
2020-02-26 10:37:52 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by Tony
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/02/26/1052384/this-generations-nuclear-free-moment
"If this Government had been in charge in 1985 when the USS Buchanan came
knocking, the United States may have received an official protest letter at the
docks, along with tea, biscuits and invites for more visits."
The PM has proven beyond all doubt that she either cannot or will not face the
hard issues.
What a crock of shit you write, Tony. Labour policies from before th
election are now subject to agreement from both the GReen and NZ First
parties. Under MMP, it is not appropriate to presume that the policies
of any one party will be able to be put into law - in other words they
are not necessarily the policies of the Government.
Post by JohnO
But... but... but... Princess Chompers assured us that dealing with climate change was our "nuclear free moment"!
And JohnO demonstrates his bias, bigotry, and general nastiness that
Nat-bots are famed for. Using derogatory names for females is just so
60s National . . .
Whereas using derogatory names for your detractors is just typical of the idiot Marxist mindset you demonstrate daily Rich. Or are you just a troll jacking off at people tearing your stupid arguments down?
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Lets face it - Labour's COL has failed on all of their loudly trumpeted election planks.
"COL"? All this shows JohnO is that you do not understand our
electoral law. There were very few "election planks" that were agree
by the three parties.
So it's all Winstons fault is it Rich? ALL these fails were held up to us by the CoL as what they were going to do! Insted of making shit up Rich try opening your eyes and looking at the reality of your virtue signalling and photo op seeking heros!
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Housing and Kiwibuild - FAIL
Except instead of selling them off we are building and buying - the
government has increased its howing stock by more than any other
government for more than 20 years.
Only because they've been paying top dollar to the building companies. Yet ever more people are seeking accomodation and housing!
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Child poverdy - FAIL
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/18400-children-lifted-out-poverty
with more to come . . .
So why are there reports of even more kids in poverty even though many are now in another grade of poverty according to the CoL!
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Climate change - FAIL
What has failed, JohnO? What is it you wanted them to do that they
have not done?
How about fulfill their promises instead of abandoning the policies they're to stupid to achieve?
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
They only thing these clowns are good at is setting up working groups.
For which they didnt quite manage to get as many as the new
National-led government did in its first year . . .
Post by JohnO
Time for a change.
There is an election later this year - and yes there willbe change - I
expect a Labour / Green coalition, and that National and NZ First will
have a change of Leader.
JohnO
2020-02-26 19:52:00 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by Tony
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/02/26/1052384/this-generations-nuclear-free-moment
"If this Government had been in charge in 1985 when the USS Buchanan came
knocking, the United States may have received an official protest letter at the
docks, along with tea, biscuits and invites for more visits."
The PM has proven beyond all doubt that she either cannot or will not face the
hard issues.
What a crock of shit you write, Tony. Labour policies from before th
election are now subject to agreement from both the GReen and NZ First
parties. Under MMP, it is not appropriate to presume that the policies
of any one party will be able to be put into law - in other words they
are not necessarily the policies of the Government.
Post by JohnO
But... but... but... Princess Chompers assured us that dealing with climate change was our "nuclear free moment"!
And JohnO demonstrates his bias, bigotry, and general nastiness that
Nat-bots are famed for. Using derogatory names for females is just so
60s National . . .
Derogatory? Where?

Yet Dickbot loves calling Nat leaders derogatory names - "Soimin" Bridges, John "DonKey", and so on. You really are a hypocrite.
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Lets face it - Labour's COL has failed on all of their loudly trumpeted election planks.
"COL"? All this shows JohnO is that you do not understand our
electoral law. There were very few "election planks" that were agree
by the three parties.
Post by JohnO
Housing and Kiwibuild - FAIL
Except instead of selling them off we are building and buying - the
government has increased its howing stock by more than any other
government for more than 20 years.
Emergency housing waiting lists longer than ever, Dickot.
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Child poverdy - FAIL
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/18400-children-lifted-out-poverty
with more to come . . .
See Crash's comment below. Child poverty has not improved one iota.
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Climate change - FAIL
What has failed, JohnO? What is it you wanted them to do that they
have not done?
Something more than... nothing?
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
They only thing these clowns are good at is setting up working groups.
For which they didnt quite manage to get as many as the new
National-led government did in its first year . . .
Post by JohnO
Time for a change.
There is an election later this year - and yes there willbe change - I
expect a Labour / Green coalition, and that National and NZ First will
have a change of Leader.
Dream on, Dickbot. Dream on.
John Bowes
2020-02-27 00:03:15 UTC
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Post by JohnO
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by Tony
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/02/26/1052384/this-generations-nuclear-free-moment
"If this Government had been in charge in 1985 when the USS Buchanan came
knocking, the United States may have received an official protest letter at the
docks, along with tea, biscuits and invites for more visits."
The PM has proven beyond all doubt that she either cannot or will not face the
hard issues.
What a crock of shit you write, Tony. Labour policies from before th
election are now subject to agreement from both the GReen and NZ First
parties. Under MMP, it is not appropriate to presume that the policies
of any one party will be able to be put into law - in other words they
are not necessarily the policies of the Government.
Post by JohnO
But... but... but... Princess Chompers assured us that dealing with climate change was our "nuclear free moment"!
And JohnO demonstrates his bias, bigotry, and general nastiness that
Nat-bots are famed for. Using derogatory names for females is just so
60s National . . .
Derogatory? Where?
Yet Dickbot loves calling Nat leaders derogatory names - "Soimin" Bridges, John "DonKey", and so on. You really are a hypocrite.
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Lets face it - Labour's COL has failed on all of their loudly trumpeted election planks.
"COL"? All this shows JohnO is that you do not understand our
electoral law. There were very few "election planks" that were agree
by the three parties.
Post by JohnO
Housing and Kiwibuild - FAIL
Except instead of selling them off we are building and buying - the
government has increased its howing stock by more than any other
government for more than 20 years.
Emergency housing waiting lists longer than ever, Dickot.
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Child poverdy - FAIL
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/18400-children-lifted-out-poverty
with more to come . . .
See Crash's comment below. Child poverty has not improved one iota.
Not even after the loons shifted the goal posts.... AGAIN!
Post by JohnO
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Climate change - FAIL
What has failed, JohnO? What is it you wanted them to do that they
have not done?
Something more than... nothing?
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
They only thing these clowns are good at is setting up working groups.
For which they didnt quite manage to get as many as the new
National-led government did in its first year . . .
Post by JohnO
Time for a change.
There is an election later this year - and yes there willbe change - I
expect a Labour / Green coalition, and that National and NZ First will
have a change of Leader.
Dream on, Dickbot. Dream on.
The only thing he's consistent with :)
HitAnyKey
2020-02-26 20:41:39 UTC
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On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 15:53:02 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

........
Post by Rich80105
And JohnO demonstrates his bias, bigotry, and general nastiness that
Nat-bots are famed for. Using derogatory names for females is just so
60s National . . .
Be careful with your analogies. The public mightily approved of "60s
National", since it elected Keith Holyoake and his Nats to power in 1960,
and again and again for a solid 12 years .....
Rich80105
2020-02-27 01:35:27 UTC
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On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 20:41:39 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
Post by HitAnyKey
........
Post by Rich80105
And JohnO demonstrates his bias, bigotry, and general nastiness that
Nat-bots are famed for. Using derogatory names for females is just so
60s National . . .
Be careful with your analogies. The public mightily approved of "60s
National", since it elected Keith Holyoake and his Nats to power in 1960,
and again and again for a solid 12 years .....
Fair comment - the 60s was still the era of politeness being fairly
well observed.

I'm not sure when the vicious name-calling started, but I recall
"Spud" Bolger - perhaps offensive for some but more in line with Rugby
nicknanes than deliberately offensive.

My memory of Whaleoil is that it fully embraced anything destructive
they could throw at "enemies" - whether all Labour / Green people, but
also some National people.

There was sone discussion about name-calling on nz.general some time
ago where I was called out for using a negative name for a politician
- I have not used derogatory names for politicians since, and my
perception is that except for a few posters use of such nastiness has
generally declined, to the benefit of nz.general.
Gordon
2020-02-27 06:13:56 UTC
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Post by HitAnyKey
........
Post by Rich80105
And JohnO demonstrates his bias, bigotry, and general nastiness that
Nat-bots are famed for. Using derogatory names for females is just so
60s National . . .
Be careful with your analogies. The public mightily approved of "60s
National", since it elected Keith Holyoake and his Nats to power in 1960,
and again and again for a solid 12 years .....
Well it was time for a change.
Tony
2020-02-27 01:46:22 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by Tony
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/02/26/1052384/this-generations-nuclear-free-moment
"If this Government had been in charge in 1985 when the USS Buchanan came
knocking, the United States may have received an official protest letter at the
docks, along with tea, biscuits and invites for more visits."
The PM has proven beyond all doubt that she either cannot or will not face the
hard issues.
What a crock of shit you write, Tony. Labour policies from before th
election are now subject to agreement from both the GReen and NZ First
parties. Under MMP, it is not appropriate to presume that the policies
of any one party will be able to be put into law - in other words they
are not necessarily the policies of the Government.
The shit is you, The article was not written by me. And I stand by what I
actually did write. This PM does not face up to the hard issues.
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
But... but... but... Princess Chompers assured us that dealing with climate
change was our "nuclear free moment"!
And JohnO demonstrates his bias, bigotry, and general nastiness that
Nat-bots are famed for. Using derogatory names for females is just so
60s National . . .
Post by JohnO
Lets face it - Labour's COL has failed on all of their loudly trumpeted election planks.
"COL"? All this shows JohnO is that you do not understand our
electoral law. There were very few "election planks" that were agree
by the three parties.
Post by JohnO
Housing and Kiwibuild - FAIL
Except instead of selling them off we are building and buying - the
government has increased its howing stock by more than any other
government for more than 20 years.
Post by JohnO
Child poverdy - FAIL
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/18400-children-lifted-out-poverty
with more to come . . .
Post by JohnO
Climate change - FAIL
What has failed, JohnO? What is it you wanted them to do that they
have not done?
Post by JohnO
They only thing these clowns are good at is setting up working groups.
For which they didnt quite manage to get as many as the new
National-led government did in its first year . . .
Post by JohnO
Time for a change.
There is an election later this year - and yes there willbe change - I
expect a Labour / Green coalition, and that National and NZ First will
have a change of Leader.
Gordon
2020-02-27 06:12:24 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Post by Tony
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/02/26/1052384/this-generations-nuclear-free-moment
"If this Government had been in charge in 1985 when the USS Buchanan came
knocking, the United States may have received an official protest letter at the
docks, along with tea, biscuits and invites for more visits."
The PM has proven beyond all doubt that she either cannot or will not face the
hard issues.
What a crock of shit you write, Tony.
Ah good to see fingers working while brain not.
Post by Rich80105
Post by JohnO
Climate change - FAIL
What has failed, JohnO? What is it you wanted them to do that they
have not done?
What have they done apart from jump on the bandwaggon?

Still the climate can change without human help.
Post by Rich80105
There is an election later this year - and yes there willbe change - I
expect a Labour / Green coalition, and that National and NZ First will
have a change of Leader.
Tui.
John Bowes
2020-02-26 10:30:31 UTC
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Post by JohnO
Post by Tony
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/02/26/1052384/this-generations-nuclear-free-moment
"If this Government had been in charge in 1985 when the USS Buchanan came
knocking, the United States may have received an official protest letter at the
docks, along with tea, biscuits and invites for more visits."
The PM has proven beyond all doubt that she either cannot or will not face the
hard issues.
But... but... but... Princess Chompers assured us that dealing with climate change was our "nuclear free moment"!
Lets face it - Labour's COL has failed on all of their loudly trumpeted election planks.
Housing and Kiwibuild - FAIL
Child poverdy - FAIL
Climate change - FAIL
Open government - FAIL
Post by JohnO
They only thing these clowns are good at is setting up working groups.
Don't forget virtue signalling and photo ops! They're BRILLIANT at them!
Post by JohnO
Time for a change.
Most definitely while we still have an economy!
Gordon
2020-02-26 06:30:21 UTC
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Post by Tony
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/02/26/1052384/this-generations-nuclear-free-moment
"If this Government had been in charge in 1985 when the USS Buchanan came
knocking, the United States may have received an official protest letter at the
docks, along with tea, biscuits and invites for more visits."
The PM has proven beyond all doubt that she either cannot or will not face the
hard issues.
The real issue is that we have been dumbed down so much that we, as a
society can not even look in the mirror.

No nuclear power war ships was about telling the U S of A to take the risk
away and stay way. To stand up and say NZ is not independent of the U S of A
on this matter.

It was kind of Make New Zealand Great Again, if you like.

Climate change and its causes is much more complex and far to hard for
dumbed down people to understand.
Rich80105
2020-02-26 10:07:23 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Post by Tony
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/02/26/1052384/this-generations-nuclear-free-moment
"If this Government had been in charge in 1985 when the USS Buchanan came
knocking, the United States may have received an official protest letter at the
docks, along with tea, biscuits and invites for more visits."
The PM has proven beyond all doubt that she either cannot or will not face the
hard issues.
The real issue is that we have been dumbed down so much that we, as a
society can not even look in the mirror.
No nuclear power war ships was about telling the U S of A to take the risk
away and stay way. To stand up and say NZ is not independent of the U S of A
on this matter.
It was kind of Make New Zealand Great Again, if you like.
Climate change and its causes is much more complex and far to hard for
dumbed down people to understand.
I agree Gordon - and being an election year leads to simplification of
a lot of complex issues to the detriment of understanding
BR
2020-02-26 16:23:36 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Climate change and its causes is much more complex and far to hard for
dumbed down people to understand.
Catastrophic man made climate change is a fraud, and it is dumbed down
people who believe in it.

Bill.
George
2020-02-26 19:18:36 UTC
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On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 05:23:36 +1300
Post by BR
Post by Gordon
Climate change and its causes is much more complex and far to hard
for dumbed down people to understand.
Catastrophic man made climate change is a fraud, and it is dumbed down
people who believe in it.
Bill.
And changes as their time spans prove wrong and I see a Fijian cemetery
awash because of coastal erosion and they're trying to claim rising sea
levels :)
Not the brightest candles in the pack
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