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Cynical, arrogant , embarrassing government
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JohnO
2020-05-09 20:19:24 UTC
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Not my words:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12330745
Mutlley
2020-05-09 21:20:28 UTC
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But the left will tell you there is no gagging order. They certainly
do on twitter.
Tony
2020-05-09 21:34:23 UTC
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Rich will waste his time and energy to deny this again, the instruction is
impossible to defend but he will attempt the impossible.
HitAnyKey
2020-05-09 22:01:14 UTC
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But it's possible, is it not, that Friday's massive information dump is
in itself a near-unprecedented example of open and transparent governance
that stands on its own without embellishment. And in that case, maybe
the Herald piece can be seen as a resentful shot by a journalist who
would rather go digging for material than have it openly presented to
him.
John Bowes
2020-05-09 22:14:36 UTC
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But it's possible, is it not, that Friday's massive information dump is
in itself a near-unprecedented example of open and transparent governance
that stands on its own without embellishment. And in that case, maybe
the Herald piece can be seen as a resentful shot by a journalist who
would rather go digging for material than have it openly presented to
him.
It's also more than likely that it's been done leaving out anything that highlights the governments hypocrisy, cynicism and corruption? Can we feel sure that it wasn't done in a desperate bid to appear to be an open government? Me? I don't believe the documents will do anything but confuse the issue about the legality of the lock down!
James Christophers
2020-05-09 22:32:35 UTC
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But it's possible, is it not, that Friday's massive information dump is
in itself a near-unprecedented example of open and transparent governance
that stands on its own without embellishment. And in that case, maybe
the Herald piece can be seen as a resentful shot by a journalist who
would rather go digging for material than have it openly presented to
him.
Perfectly possible. There is now nothing for New Zealand's low-rent Grub Street to twist, traduce and distort - their sordid stock-in-trade. Doesn't yer heart just bleed for the poor, poor bastards, eh?

As for the header of the thread as it relates to the government's dump, what more arrogant and cynical than to lay wide open to the public's vulgar gaze the administration's latest policy in respect to its media relationships and the one-off temporary restrictions this policy imposes on freedom of information?

As for "embarrassing" - who's embarrassed? The government, the media or the bird-brained, scandal-seeking Great Unwashed?

A coup - 100% Pure Chutzpah!!
JohnO
2020-05-10 01:01:39 UTC
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But it's possible, is it not, that Friday's massive information dump is
in itself a near-unprecedented example of open and transparent governance
that stands on its own without embellishment. And in that case, maybe
the Herald piece can be seen as a resentful shot by a journalist who
would rather go digging for material than have it openly presented to
him.
It's obfuscation by burial, as explained in the cited article, dumped on a Friday so Jacinda and co can hide from it until Monday when they enact their instructions to not comment or answer questions on it.
HitAnyKey
2020-05-10 01:22:09 UTC
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But it's possible, is it not, that Friday's massive information dump is
in itself a near-unprecedented example of open and transparent
governance that stands on its own without embellishment. And in that
case, maybe the Herald piece can be seen as a resentful shot by a
journalist who would rather go digging for material than have it openly
presented to him.
It's obfuscation by burial, as explained in the cited article, dumped on
a Friday so Jacinda and co can hide from it until Monday when they enact
their instructions to not comment or answer questions on it.
But that's no more than SOP - and, being wordly-wise, you can't possibly
be surprised by it?
HitAnyKey
2020-05-10 01:52:50 UTC
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Not my words: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?
c_id=1&objectid=12330745
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But it's possible, is it not, that Friday's massive information dump
is in itself a near-unprecedented example of open and transparent
governance that stands on its own without embellishment. And in that
case, maybe the Herald piece can be seen as a resentful shot by a
journalist who would rather go digging for material than have it
openly presented to him.
It's obfuscation by burial, as explained in the cited article, dumped
on a Friday so Jacinda and co can hide from it until Monday when they
enact their instructions to not comment or answer questions on it.
But that's no more than SOP - and, being wordly-wise, you can't possibly
be surprised by it?
worldly
JohnO
2020-05-10 01:52:54 UTC
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But it's possible, is it not, that Friday's massive information dump is
in itself a near-unprecedented example of open and transparent
governance that stands on its own without embellishment. And in that
case, maybe the Herald piece can be seen as a resentful shot by a
journalist who would rather go digging for material than have it openly
presented to him.
It's obfuscation by burial, as explained in the cited article, dumped on
a Friday so Jacinda and co can hide from it until Monday when they enact
their instructions to not comment or answer questions on it.
But that's no more than SOP - and, being wordly-wise, you can't possibly
be surprised by it?
Not surprised by the act itself. What does amaze me is the nuclear grade hypocrisy of a party and leader who were going to be the "most open and transparent ever" instructing their ministers to not answer questions.
HitAnyKey
2020-05-10 02:07:53 UTC
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Not my words: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?
c_id=1&objectid=12330745
Post by JohnO
Post by HitAnyKey
But it's possible, is it not, that Friday's massive information dump
is in itself a near-unprecedented example of open and transparent
governance that stands on its own without embellishment. And in
that case, maybe the Herald piece can be seen as a resentful shot by
a journalist who would rather go digging for material than have it
openly presented to him.
It's obfuscation by burial, as explained in the cited article, dumped
on a Friday so Jacinda and co can hide from it until Monday when they
enact their instructions to not comment or answer questions on it.
But that's no more than SOP - and, being wordly-wise, you can't
possibly be surprised by it?
Not surprised by the act itself. What does amaze me is the nuclear grade
hypocrisy of a party and leader who were going to be the "most open and
transparent ever" instructing their ministers to not answer questions.
I see Watkins now joining the chorus of "arrogance" on the basis of an
assumption that "the people love us anyway, so why bother?"

Maybe.

But I still think it's possible that the journos are pissed off because
the explanations are now there for all to see in the information dump,
warts and all, showing public servants and politicians doing their best
with the information to hand, and removing opportunities for the media to
persist with the repetitive questions and other inanities we've all now
seen in the Jacinda and Ashley Show.

Outmanoeuvred.......
Rich80105
2020-05-10 02:09:26 UTC
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But it's possible, is it not, that Friday's massive information dump is
in itself a near-unprecedented example of open and transparent
governance that stands on its own without embellishment. And in that
case, maybe the Herald piece can be seen as a resentful shot by a
journalist who would rather go digging for material than have it openly
presented to him.
It's obfuscation by burial, as explained in the cited article, dumped on
a Friday so Jacinda and co can hide from it until Monday when they enact
their instructions to not comment or answer questions on it.
But that's no more than SOP - and, being wordly-wise, you can't possibly
be surprised by it?
Not surprised by the act itself. What does amaze me is the nuclear grade hypocrisy of a party and leader who were going to be the "most open and transparent ever" instructing their ministers to not answer questions.
Jacinda Ardern is available for questions most weekdays - the weekend
may have given a few people time to actually read the papers and have
questions to ask.
Tony
2020-05-10 02:17:04 UTC
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But it's possible, is it not, that Friday's massive information dump is
in itself a near-unprecedented example of open and transparent
governance that stands on its own without embellishment. And in that
case, maybe the Herald piece can be seen as a resentful shot by a
journalist who would rather go digging for material than have it openly
presented to him.
It's obfuscation by burial, as explained in the cited article, dumped on
a Friday so Jacinda and co can hide from it until Monday when they enact
their instructions to not comment or answer questions on it.
But that's no more than SOP - and, being wordly-wise, you can't possibly
be surprised by it?
Not surprised by the act itself. What does amaze me is the nuclear grade
hypocrisy of a party and leader who were going to be the "most open and
transparent ever" instructing their ministers to not answer questions.
Jacinda Ardern is available for questions most weekdays - the weekend
may have given a few people time to actually read the papers and have
questions to ask.
Read the extract from the email and be honest.
JohnO
2020-05-10 19:32:11 UTC
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And now we get the denial, revisionism and outright lying over the healed email.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121465406/coronvirus-beehive-scrambled-to-contain-email-telling-ministers-to-dismiss-questions-about-covid19-response

"A spokesman for the prime minister on Sunday said it was an error to send the email to public servants, due to the political messaging it contained, however it was "simply intended to be a heads-up" that the documents were being made public."

It wasn't a heads up. It was an instruction to not answer questions. The spokesman for the PM is barefaced lying.
George
2020-05-10 20:07:51 UTC
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And now we get the denial, revisionism and outright lying over the healed email.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121465406/coronvirus-beehive-scrambled-to-contain-email-telling-ministers-to-dismiss-questions-about-covid19-response
"A spokesman for the prime minister on Sunday said it was an error to
send the email to public servants, due to the political messaging it
contained, however it was "simply intended to be a heads-up" that the
documents were being made public."
It wasn't a heads up. It was an instruction to not answer questions.
The spokesman for the PM is barefaced lying.
And expect the Stage 3 load of crap to continue for some time yet until
there is so much backlash that even a blind man can see that its time
to restart life again
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Mutlley
2020-05-10 21:59:22 UTC
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And now we get the denial, revisionism and outright lying over the healed email.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121465406/coronvirus-beehive-scrambled-to-contain-email-telling-ministers-to-dismiss-questions-about-covid19-response
"A spokesman for the prime minister on Sunday said it was an error to send the email to public servants, due to the political messaging it contained, however it was "simply intended to be a heads-up" that the documents were being made public."
It wasn't a heads up. It was an instruction to not answer questions. The spokesman for the PM is barefaced lying.
Looks like there's been some butt covering over the weekend as now
the gagging email was a mistake.... so they say

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121465406/coronvirus-beehive-scrambled-to-contain-email-telling-ministers-to-dismiss-questions-about-covid19-response
Mutlley
2020-05-10 22:00:34 UTC
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And now we get the denial, revisionism and outright lying over the healed email.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121465406/coronvirus-beehive-scrambled-to-contain-email-telling-ministers-to-dismiss-questions-about-covid19-response
"A spokesman for the prime minister on Sunday said it was an error to send the email to public servants, due to the political messaging it contained, however it was "simply intended to be a heads-up" that the documents were being made public."
It wasn't a heads up. It was an instruction to not answer questions. The spokesman for the PM is barefaced lying.
Looks like there's been some butt covering over the weekend as now
the gagging email was a mistake.... so they say
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121465406/coronvirus-beehive-scrambled-to-contain-email-telling-ministers-to-dismiss-questions-about-covid19-response
Looks like you've already covered it John. Apologies.

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