Discussion:
A good sumary from Janet Wilson re roll out
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Gordon
2021-07-02 23:33:17 UTC
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout

This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.

The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.

This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating the its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Tony
2021-07-02 23:51:39 UTC
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Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating the its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
An excellent article.
Lying (and they are lies) governments get away with a lot. This government is
no worse than many others (of various colours) but there are two differences
that I see.
1. We were told how honest and open they were going to be - you could be
forgiven for thinking that might also have been a lie.
2. This isn't about a billion trees, or tens of thousands of houses. It is
about whether our ailing parents are going to die or our brother who works in
MIQ is going to have a bad time when he catches Covid.
I have always respected people who tell unpalatable truths, those who have
integrity. I waited for well over six months of this government's term before
criticising them, what a disappointing lot they are.
They are a bunch of amateurs. I don't care what the alternative is, that is
irrelevant for another year at least.
I just wish one of the ministers, any one will do, would grow some cojones and
tell us the truth. Disgraceful.
James Christophers
2021-07-03 03:16:06 UTC
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Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating the its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general contributor's easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever to increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.

All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already flogged-to-death unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their own vomit for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets molesting sweet old biddies and small dogs..
Tony
2021-07-03 03:59:19 UTC
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Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating the its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their own vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise of the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty - something this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
Rich80105
2021-07-03 04:43:08 UTC
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On Fri, 02 Jul 2021 22:59:19 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating the its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their own vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise of the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty - something this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
The article did not identify any lack of integrity or honesty relating
to the Government, but then neither have you Tony.
Tony
2021-07-03 05:16:18 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 02 Jul 2021 22:59:19 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating the its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their own vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise of the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty - something this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
The article did not identify any lack of integrity or honesty relating
to the Government, but then neither have you Tony.
But you have, every time you put your fingers on your keyboard you demonstrate
lack of integrity.
The government however is clearly lying and the article actually clear on that.
Rich80105
2021-07-03 05:52:02 UTC
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On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 00:16:18 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 02 Jul 2021 22:59:19 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating the its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their own vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise of the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty - something this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
The article did not identify any lack of integrity or honesty relating
to the Government, but then neither have you Tony.
But you have, every time you put your fingers on your keyboard you demonstrate
lack of integrity.
The government however is clearly lying and the article actually clear on that.
No it is not, the only liar that is not giving honest discussion is
Janet Wlson.

You have not identified a lie by the government, Tony.
Tony
2021-07-03 07:02:37 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 00:16:18 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 02 Jul 2021 22:59:19 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating the its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already
flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their own vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise of the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty - something this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
The article did not identify any lack of integrity or honesty relating
to the Government, but then neither have you Tony.
But you have, every time you put your fingers on your keyboard you demonstrate
lack of integrity.
The government however is clearly lying and the article actually clear on that.
No it is not, the only liar that is not giving honest discussion is
Janet Wlson.
You have not identified a lie by the government, Tony.
Wilson has. Read the article and debate that.
Rich80105
2021-07-03 07:25:15 UTC
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On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 02:02:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 00:16:18 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 02 Jul 2021 22:59:19 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating the its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already
flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their own vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise of the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty - something this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
The article did not identify any lack of integrity or honesty relating
to the Government, but then neither have you Tony.
But you have, every time you put your fingers on your keyboard you demonstrate
lack of integrity.
The government however is clearly lying and the article actually clear on that.
No it is not, the only liar that is not giving honest discussion is
Janet Wlson.
You have not identified a lie by the government, Tony.
Wilson has. Read the article and debate that.
No, and you have demonstrated that you cannot identify any that you
claim Wilson has. You are as dishonest as Janet Wilson.
John Bowes
2021-07-03 13:28:34 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 02:02:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 00:16:18 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 02 Jul 2021 22:59:19 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating the its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their own vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise of the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty - something this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
The article did not identify any lack of integrity or honesty relating
to the Government, but then neither have you Tony.
But you have, every time you put your fingers on your keyboard you demonstrate
lack of integrity.
The government however is clearly lying and the article actually clear on that.
No it is not, the only liar that is not giving honest discussion is
Janet Wlson.
You have not identified a lie by the government, Tony.
Wilson has. Read the article and debate that.
No, and you have demonstrated that you cannot identify any that you
claim Wilson has. You are as dishonest as Janet Wilson.
BULLSHIT! Both Wilson and Tony are far more honest than you and the government you refuse to find fault with!
Not an opinion Rich just a bloody FACT you're to stupid to accept!
Tony
2021-07-03 20:15:38 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 02:02:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 00:16:18 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 02 Jul 2021 22:59:19 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating the its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their own vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise of the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty -
something
this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
The article did not identify any lack of integrity or honesty relating
to the Government, but then neither have you Tony.
But you have, every time you put your fingers on your keyboard you demonstrate
lack of integrity.
The government however is clearly lying and the article actually clear on that.
No it is not, the only liar that is not giving honest discussion is
Janet Wlson.
You have not identified a lie by the government, Tony.
Wilson has. Read the article and debate that.
No, and you have demonstrated that you cannot identify any that you
claim Wilson has. You are as dishonest as Janet Wilson.
OK so you refuse to debate the items that she has brought to light.
I am not surprised, you hate your precious toy government being held to
account, don't you?
Rich80105
2021-07-03 21:05:49 UTC
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n Sat, 03 Jul 2021 15:15:38 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 02:02:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 00:16:18 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 02 Jul 2021 22:59:19 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating the its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their own vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise of the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty -
something
this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
The article did not identify any lack of integrity or honesty relating
to the Government, but then neither have you Tony.
But you have, every time you put your fingers on your keyboard you demonstrate
lack of integrity.
The government however is clearly lying and the article actually clear on that.
No it is not, the only liar that is not giving honest discussion is
Janet Wlson.
You have not identified a lie by the government, Tony.
Wilson has. Read the article and debate that.
No, and you have demonstrated that you cannot identify any that you
claim Wilson has. You are as dishonest as Janet Wilson.
OK so you refuse to debate the items that she has brought to light.
I am not surprised, you hate your precious toy government being held to
account, don't you?
I have raised issues with her article, Tony - basic honesty in our
media; missing so badly in this article, media acknowledgement of
personal opinions that do not meet standards of good journalism,
possible lack of acknowledgement of an "advertorial." Then there is
misrepresentation of progress on vaccination. the misrepresentation of
the success in ramping up vaccinations that has resulted in us getting
a few days ahead of the next bulk supply, the false comparison with
other countries that are using vaccination as their primary defence
against growing numbers of Covid cases. Did you know that New Zealand
has a greater percentage of our population with two doses than
Australia? (the world comparison yesterday gave us at 9% of
population, Australia 6% - but they are higher on the proportion with
one dose). Then there is the bleating for us to open borders, when
other countries are not - indeed Australia is having the number they
will let into their country becuase they are having cases in most
states.

There is a lack of recognition that our economic performance is world
leading - yes we had a dip because of covid, but it is lower than most
countries. We will suffer becase of shipping problems, not our ability
to produce or purchase goods.

So quite an unbalanced, dishonest politically motivated piece by a
person who has only recently stopped being Press Secretary for the
National Party. Quality independent journalism - don't look to that
political hack job for any of that - it looks more like an apology for
her attack on National recently, and anattempt to be re-employed.
Shame on Stuff for publishing it.

So now you identify any lies by government covered in the article,
Tony. The reality is you can't because there are none. The lack of
honest debate is from National hacks, well demonstrated in this
dishonest article.
Tony
2021-07-03 21:30:41 UTC
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n Sat, 03 Jul 2021 15:15:38 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 02:02:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 00:16:18 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 02 Jul 2021 22:59:19 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this
pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating
the
its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their
own
vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise of the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty -
something
this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
The article did not identify any lack of integrity or honesty relating
to the Government, but then neither have you Tony.
But you have, every time you put your fingers on your keyboard you demonstrate
lack of integrity.
The government however is clearly lying and the article actually clear on that.
No it is not, the only liar that is not giving honest discussion is
Janet Wlson.
You have not identified a lie by the government, Tony.
Wilson has. Read the article and debate that.
No, and you have demonstrated that you cannot identify any that you
claim Wilson has. You are as dishonest as Janet Wilson.
OK so you refuse to debate the items that she has brought to light.
I am not surprised, you hate your precious toy government being held to
account, don't you?
I have raised issues with her article, Tony - basic honesty in our
media; missing so badly in this article, media acknowledgement of
personal opinions that do not meet standards of good journalism,
possible lack of acknowledgement of an "advertorial." Then there is
misrepresentation of progress on vaccination. the misrepresentation of
the success in ramping up vaccinations that has resulted in us getting
a few days ahead of the next bulk supply, the false comparison with
other countries that are using vaccination as their primary defence
against growing numbers of Covid cases. Did you know that New Zealand
has a greater percentage of our population with two doses than
Australia? (the world comparison yesterday gave us at 9% of
population, Australia 6% - but they are higher on the proportion with
one dose). Then there is the bleating for us to open borders, when
other countries are not - indeed Australia is having the number they
will let into their country becuase they are having cases in most
states.
There is a lack of recognition that our economic performance is world
leading - yes we had a dip because of covid, but it is lower than most
countries. We will suffer becase of shipping problems, not our ability
to produce or purchase goods.
So quite an unbalanced, dishonest politically motivated piece by a
person who has only recently stopped being Press Secretary for the
National Party. Quality independent journalism - don't look to that
political hack job for any of that - it looks more like an apology for
her attack on National recently, and anattempt to be re-employed.
Shame on Stuff for publishing it.
So now you identify any lies by government covered in the article,
Tony. The reality is you can't because there are none. The lack of
honest debate is from National hacks, well demonstrated in this
dishonest article.
You are lying. You have not raised a single issue from the article and not a
single fact that disprooves anything she wrote.
You are the one that needs to develop some honesty. What she did before is
irrelevant, after all you are unashamedly left wing but apparently that is
different.
John Bowes
2021-07-03 23:19:09 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
n Sat, 03 Jul 2021 15:15:38 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 02:02:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 00:16:18 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 02 Jul 2021 22:59:19 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is
needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the
other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this
pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to
admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating
the
its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general
contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already
flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their
own
vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets
molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise of the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty -
something
this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
The article did not identify any lack of integrity or honesty relating
to the Government, but then neither have you Tony.
But you have, every time you put your fingers on your keyboard you demonstrate
lack of integrity.
The government however is clearly lying and the article actually clear on that.
No it is not, the only liar that is not giving honest discussion is
Janet Wlson.
You have not identified a lie by the government, Tony.
Wilson has. Read the article and debate that.
No, and you have demonstrated that you cannot identify any that you
claim Wilson has. You are as dishonest as Janet Wilson.
OK so you refuse to debate the items that she has brought to light.
I am not surprised, you hate your precious toy government being held to
account, don't you?
I have raised issues with her article, Tony - basic honesty in our
media; missing so badly in this article, media acknowledgement of
personal opinions that do not meet standards of good journalism,
possible lack of acknowledgement of an "advertorial." Then there is
misrepresentation of progress on vaccination. the misrepresentation of
the success in ramping up vaccinations that has resulted in us getting
a few days ahead of the next bulk supply, the false comparison with
other countries that are using vaccination as their primary defence
against growing numbers of Covid cases. Did you know that New Zealand
has a greater percentage of our population with two doses than
Australia? (the world comparison yesterday gave us at 9% of
population, Australia 6% - but they are higher on the proportion with
one dose). Then there is the bleating for us to open borders, when
other countries are not - indeed Australia is having the number they
will let into their country becuase they are having cases in most
states.
There is a lack of recognition that our economic performance is world
leading - yes we had a dip because of covid, but it is lower than most
countries. We will suffer becase of shipping problems, not our ability
to produce or purchase goods.
So quite an unbalanced, dishonest politically motivated piece by a
person who has only recently stopped being Press Secretary for the
National Party. Quality independent journalism - don't look to that
political hack job for any of that - it looks more like an apology for
her attack on National recently, and anattempt to be re-employed.
Shame on Stuff for publishing it.
So now you identify any lies by government covered in the article,
Tony. The reality is you can't because there are none. The lack of
honest debate is from National hacks, well demonstrated in this
dishonest article.
You are lying. You have not raised a single issue from the article and not a
single fact that disprooves anything she wrote.
You are the one that needs to develop some honesty. What she did before is
irrelevant, after all you are unashamedly left wing but apparently that is
different.
Tony, lies are all Rich has and the fucking imbecile knows it!
John Bowes
2021-07-03 23:18:12 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
n Sat, 03 Jul 2021 15:15:38 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 02:02:37 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 00:16:18 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Fri, 02 Jul 2021 22:59:19 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is
needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this
pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating the
its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general
contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their own
vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise of the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty -
something
this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
The article did not identify any lack of integrity or honesty relating
to the Government, but then neither have you Tony.
But you have, every time you put your fingers on your keyboard you demonstrate
lack of integrity.
The government however is clearly lying and the article actually clear on that.
No it is not, the only liar that is not giving honest discussion is
Janet Wlson.
You have not identified a lie by the government, Tony.
Wilson has. Read the article and debate that.
No, and you have demonstrated that you cannot identify any that you
claim Wilson has. You are as dishonest as Janet Wilson.
OK so you refuse to debate the items that she has brought to light.
I am not surprised, you hate your precious toy government being held to
account, don't you?
I have raised issues with her article, Tony - basic honesty in our
media; missing so badly in this article, media acknowledgement of
personal opinions that do not meet standards of good journalism,
possible lack of acknowledgement of an "advertorial." Then there is
misrepresentation of progress on vaccination. the misrepresentation of
the success in ramping up vaccinations that has resulted in us getting
a few days ahead of the next bulk supply, the false comparison with
other countries that are using vaccination as their primary defence
against growing numbers of Covid cases. Did you know that New Zealand
has a greater percentage of our population with two doses than
Australia? (the world comparison yesterday gave us at 9% of
population, Australia 6% - but they are higher on the proportion with
one dose). Then there is the bleating for us to open borders, when
other countries are not - indeed Australia is having the number they
will let into their country becuase they are having cases in most
states.
You're talking shit as usual Rich. The article is honest and accurate. Nothing like the toy government you mindlessly Iand pointlessly) defend!
Post by Rich80105
There is a lack of recognition that our economic performance is world
leading - yes we had a dip because of covid, but it is lower than most
countries. We will suffer becase of shipping problems, not our ability
to produce or purchase goods.
Because the article is about the roll out of the vaccine NOT the economy!
Post by Rich80105
So quite an unbalanced, dishonest politically motivated piece by a
person who has only recently stopped being Press Secretary for the
National Party. Quality independent journalism - don't look to that
political hack job for any of that - it looks more like an apology for
her attack on National recently, and anattempt to be re-employed.
Shame on Stuff for publishing it.
BULLSHIT! Your response has been unbalanced, dishonest and politically motivated! In fact you've NEVER made a post that doesn't fir that criterion.. But no surprises there!
Post by Rich80105
So now you identify any lies by government covered in the article,
Tony. The reality is you can't because there are none. The lack of
honest debate is from National hacks, well demonstrated in this
dishonest article.
Yet more politically dishonest tripe from a comprehensionless Marxist muppet to try and cover yet more failure from his toy government!
James Christophers
2021-07-03 04:44:07 UTC
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Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating the its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their own vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Nothing like. Simply a comment justified by the circular boorishness of one or two (they know who they are). And it's plain the cap fits at least one of 'em, doesn't it?
Post by Tony
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise of the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty - something this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
I do, and I also accept it's unlikely to change much for as long as there is no effective Opposition in play - IOW, I'm a realist.

After all, for as long there has been a New Zealand, honesty and integrity have never been the paramount virtue of every single born and bred New Zealander - something you'll have a hard job disproving.

So this particular discourse has been about the similarly and consistently errant behaviour of a particular cadre of those very same born and bred Kiwis - IOW, historically, an unremarkable assortment of New Zealand parliamentarians of no particular or individual stripe, a select few of whom happen currently to be holding the Treasury benches.

T'was ever thus, honesty, integrity, responsibility and accountability notwithstanding.

This you know as well as anyone to be true.
Tony
2021-07-03 05:14:40 UTC
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Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating the its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their own vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Nothing like. Simply a comment justified by the circular boorishness of one or
two (they know who they are). And it's plain the cap fits at least one of 'em,
doesn't it?
Post by Tony
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise of the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty - something this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
I do, and I also accept it's unlikely to change much for as long as there is
no effective Opposition in play - IOW, I'm a realist.
After all, for as long there has been a New Zealand, honesty and integrity
have never been the paramount virtue of every single born and bred New
Zealander - something you'll have a hard job disproving.
So this particular discourse has been about the similarly and consistently
errant behaviour of a particular cadre of those very same born and bred Kiwis
- IOW, historically, an unremarkable assortment of New Zealand parliamentarians
of no particular or individual stripe, a select few of whom happen currently to
be holding the Treasury benches.
T'was ever thus, honesty, integrity, responsibility and accountability notwithstanding.
This you know as well as anyone to be true.
No Keith. That is all disinformation.
The article was clear. The government has not been honest.
This particular discourse is about that and not about anything else.
James Christophers
2021-07-03 05:57:44 UTC
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Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating the its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their own vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Nothing like. Simply a comment justified by the circular boorishness of one or
two (they know who they are). And it's plain the cap fits at least one of 'em,
doesn't it?
Post by Tony
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise of the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty - something this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
I do, and I also accept it's unlikely to change much for as long as there is
no effective Opposition in play - IOW, I'm a realist.
After all, for as long there has been a New Zealand, honesty and integrity
have never been the paramount virtue of every single born and bred New
Zealander - something you'll have a hard job disproving.
So this particular discourse has been about the similarly and consistently
errant behaviour of a particular cadre of those very same born and bred Kiwis
- IOW, historically, an unremarkable assortment of New Zealand parliamentarians
of no particular or individual stripe, a select few of whom happen currently to
be holding the Treasury benches.
T'was ever thus, honesty, integrity, responsibility and accountability notwithstanding.
This you know as well as anyone to be true.
No Keith. That is all disinformation.
Nope. I give the **known facts** of the matter relating both to today and the long-acknowledged history of New Zealand politics.
Post by Tony
The article was clear. The government has not been honest. Try faulting it.
I know but I'm not in any way exercised by it because there is not, and never will be, one single human being on this earth who has not, does not, will not lie at some time or another.
Post by Tony
This particular discourse is about that and not about anything else.
My message is precisely about and directly relevant to what Ms Wilson has to say (her article itself having initiated this discourse) by my referring to the historical truths regarding the questionable honesty and integrity of New Zealand politicians in general. This history includes, without exception, every New Zealand government that has ever existed since the very first. It's known as 'realpolitik' - the deploying of pragmatism and expediency, Bismarck's famed philosophy being further elucidated in this brief online definition:

"Realpolitik is politics or diplomacy based primarily on considerations of given circumstances and factors, rather than explicit ideological notions or moral and ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism."

Note well the mention of "moral" and "ethical" as being subject or subservient to a so-called "higher purpose". This in no way excuses a government's - any government's - behaviour but it goes a considerable way to explaining it.
Tony
2021-07-03 07:02:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating the its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their own vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Nothing like. Simply a comment justified by the circular boorishness of one or
two (they know who they are). And it's plain the cap fits at least one of 'em,
doesn't it?
Post by Tony
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise of the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty -
something
this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
I do, and I also accept it's unlikely to change much for as long as there is
no effective Opposition in play - IOW, I'm a realist.
After all, for as long there has been a New Zealand, honesty and integrity
have never been the paramount virtue of every single born and bred New
Zealander - something you'll have a hard job disproving.
So this particular discourse has been about the similarly and consistently
errant behaviour of a particular cadre of those very same born and bred Kiwis
- IOW, historically, an unremarkable assortment of New Zealand parliamentarians
of no particular or individual stripe, a select few of whom happen currently to
be holding the Treasury benches.
T'was ever thus, honesty, integrity, responsibility and accountability notwithstanding.
This you know as well as anyone to be true.
No Keith. That is all disinformation.
Nope. I give the **known facts** of the matter relating both to today and the
long-acknowledged history of New Zealand politics.
No only opinion.
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
The article was clear. The government has not been honest. Try faulting it.
I know but I'm not in any way exercised by it because there is not, and never
will be, one single human being on this earth who has not, does not, will not
lie at some time or another.
You are responding to someone else.
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
This particular discourse is about that and not about anything else.
My message is precisely about and directly relevant to what Ms Wilson has to
say (her article itself having initiated this discourse) by my referring to the
historical truths regarding the questionable honesty and integrity of New
Zealand politicians in general. This history includes, without exception, every
New Zealand government that has ever existed since the very first. It's known
as 'realpolitik' - the deploying of pragmatism and expediency, Bismarck's
Not true. Bismark is irrelevant anyway.
Post by James Christophers
"Realpolitik is politics or diplomacy based primarily on considerations of
given circumstances and factors, rather than explicit ideological notions or
moral and ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its
philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism."
People lie, politicians are people and they lie.
That is all this is about. All else is disinformation.
Post by James Christophers
Note well the mention of "moral" and "ethical" as being subject or subservient
to a so-called "higher purpose". This in no way excuses a government's - any
government's - behaviour but it goes a considerable way to explaining it.
James Christophers
2021-07-04 00:52:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this
pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating the its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their own vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Nothing like. Simply a comment justified by the circular boorishness of one or
two (they know who they are). And it's plain the cap fits at least one of 'em,
doesn't it?
Post by Tony
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise of the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty -
something
this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
I do, and I also accept it's unlikely to change much for as long as there is
no effective Opposition in play - IOW, I'm a realist.
After all, for as long there has been a New Zealand, honesty and integrity
have never been the paramount virtue of every single born and bred New
Zealander - something you'll have a hard job disproving.
So this particular discourse has been about the similarly and consistently
errant behaviour of a particular cadre of those very same born and bred Kiwis
- IOW, historically, an unremarkable assortment of New Zealand parliamentarians
of no particular or individual stripe, a select few of whom happen currently to
be holding the Treasury benches.
T'was ever thus, honesty, integrity, responsibility and accountability
notwithstanding.
This you know as well as anyone to be true.
No Keith. That is all disinformation.
Nope. I give the **known facts** of the matter relating both to today and the
long-acknowledged history of New Zealand politics.
No only opinion.
In no way an opinion but a brief albeit inadequate summation of factual case histories that inform the work of learned NZ historians such as Sinclair, King and Simpson.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
The article was clear. The government has not been honest.
I know but I'm not in any way exercised by it because there is not, and never
will be, one single human being on this earth who has not, does not, will not
lie at some time or another.
You are responding to someone else.
I am responding to nz general which includes you.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
This particular discourse is about that and not about anything else.
My message is precisely about and directly relevant to what Ms Wilson has to
say (her article itself having initiated this discourse) by my referring to the
historical truths regarding the questionable honesty and integrity of New
Zealand politicians in general. This history includes, without exception, every
New Zealand government that has ever existed since the very first. It's known
as 'realpolitik' - the deploying of pragmatism and expediency, Bismarck's
"Realpolitik is politics or diplomacy based primarily on considerations of
given circumstances and factors, rather than explicit ideological notions or
moral and ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its
philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism."
Post by Tony
Not true.
Prove what you categorically declare.
Post by Tony
Bismark is irrelevant anyway.
In the global context of today's democracies - including New Zealand - Bismarck's observations couldn't be more relevant. Of course, it takes those with a considerably broader knowledge, perspective and appreciation of human and political history to recognise and appreciate both its demonstrable truths and significance. Any who do not, cannot, will not meet this paramount requirement, are doomed to fail in any discussion of the immutable moral and ethical factors in political life, and this includes our own governments both present and past.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
"Realpolitik is politics or diplomacy based primarily on considerations of
given circumstances and factors, rather than explicit ideological notions or
moral and ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its
philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism."
People lie, politicians are people and they lie.
"People" includes you. Your conscience will surely confirm. You can bet on it.
Post by Tony
That is all this is about. All else is disinformation.
To you, yes, because you are palinly not equipped to handle it. Yours is the response of someone is lost for argument for lack of that one crucial quality that honest informed discourse demands. Here it is again:

Of course, it takes those with a considerably broader knowledge, perspective and appreciation of human and political history to recognise and appreciate both its demonstrable truths and significance. Any who do not, cannot, will not meet this quintessential requirement, are doomed to fail in any discussion involving the immutable moral and ethical factors in political life, and this includes our own governments both current and past.

Again, I repeat: This in no way excuses a government's - any
government's - behaviour but it goes a considerable way towards explaining it.
Tony
2021-07-04 01:11:35 UTC
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Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is
needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this
pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating
the
its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general
contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their
own
vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Nothing like. Simply a comment justified by the circular boorishness of
one
or
two (they know who they are). And it's plain the cap fits at least one
of
'em,
doesn't it?
Post by Tony
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise of the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty -
something
this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
I do, and I also accept it's unlikely to change much for as long as
there
is
no effective Opposition in play - IOW, I'm a realist.
After all, for as long there has been a New Zealand, honesty and integrity
have never been the paramount virtue of every single born and bred New
Zealander - something you'll have a hard job disproving.
So this particular discourse has been about the similarly and consistently
errant behaviour of a particular cadre of those very same born and bred Kiwis
- IOW, historically, an unremarkable assortment of New Zealand parliamentarians
of no particular or individual stripe, a select few of whom happen currently to
be holding the Treasury benches.
T'was ever thus, honesty, integrity, responsibility and accountability
notwithstanding.
This you know as well as anyone to be true.
No Keith. That is all disinformation.
Nope. I give the **known facts** of the matter relating both to today and the
long-acknowledged history of New Zealand politics.
No only opinion.
In no way an opinion but a brief albeit inadequate summation of factual case
histories that inform the work of learned NZ historians such as Sinclair, King
and Simpson.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
The article was clear. The government has not been honest.
I know but I'm not in any way exercised by it because there is not, and never
will be, one single human being on this earth who has not, does not, will not
lie at some time or another.
You are responding to someone else.
I am responding to nz general which includes you.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
This particular discourse is about that and not about anything else.
My message is precisely about and directly relevant to what Ms Wilson has to
say (her article itself having initiated this discourse) by my referring to the
historical truths regarding the questionable honesty and integrity of New
Zealand politicians in general. This history includes, without exception, every
New Zealand government that has ever existed since the very first. It's known
as 'realpolitik' - the deploying of pragmatism and expediency, Bismarck's
"Realpolitik is politics or diplomacy based primarily on considerations of
given circumstances and factors, rather than explicit ideological notions or
moral and ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its
philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism."
Post by Tony
Not true.
Prove what you categorically declare.
Post by Tony
Bismark is irrelevant anyway.
In the global context of today's democracies - including New Zealand -
Bismarck's observations couldn't be more relevant. Of course, it takes those
with a considerably broader knowledge, perspective and appreciation of human
and political history to recognise and appreciate both its demonstrable truths
and significance. Any who do not, cannot, will not meet this paramount
requirement, are doomed to fail in any discussion of the immutable moral and
ethical factors in political life, and this includes our own governments both
present and past.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
"Realpolitik is politics or diplomacy based primarily on considerations of
given circumstances and factors, rather than explicit ideological notions or
moral and ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its
philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism."
People lie, politicians are people and they lie.
"People" includes you. Your conscience will surely confirm. You can bet on it.
Post by Tony
That is all this is about. All else is disinformation.
To you, yes, because you are palinly not equipped to handle it. Yours is the
response of someone is lost for argument for lack of that one crucial quality
Of course, it takes those with a considerably broader knowledge, perspective
and appreciation of human and political history to recognise and appreciate
both its demonstrable truths and significance. Any who do not, cannot, will not
meet this quintessential requirement, are doomed to fail in any discussion
involving the immutable moral and ethical factors in political life, and this
includes our own governments both current and past.
Again, I repeat: This in no way excuses a government's - any
government's - behaviour but it goes a considerable way towards explaining it.
Thank goodness we are not all as superior of intellect and wisdom as you. That
would make life unbearable.
It seems to me that you cannot actually debate. And to answer one persons post
but to direct that answer to another is idiotic, unless it is a genuine mistake.
John Bowes
2021-07-04 01:58:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is
needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the
other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication
is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to
making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this
pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to
admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating
the
its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general
contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever
to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already
flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their
own
vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets
molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Nothing like. Simply a comment justified by the circular boorishness of
one
or
two (they know who they are). And it's plain the cap fits at least one
of
'em,
doesn't it?
Post by Tony
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise of the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty -
something
this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
I do, and I also accept it's unlikely to change much for as long as
there
is
no effective Opposition in play - IOW, I'm a realist.
After all, for as long there has been a New Zealand, honesty and integrity
have never been the paramount virtue of every single born and bred New
Zealander - something you'll have a hard job disproving.
So this particular discourse has been about the similarly and consistently
errant behaviour of a particular cadre of those very same born and bred Kiwis
- IOW, historically, an unremarkable assortment of New Zealand
parliamentarians
of no particular or individual stripe, a select few of whom happen
currently to
be holding the Treasury benches.
T'was ever thus, honesty, integrity, responsibility and accountability
notwithstanding.
This you know as well as anyone to be true.
No Keith. That is all disinformation.
Nope. I give the **known facts** of the matter relating both to today and the
long-acknowledged history of New Zealand politics.
No only opinion.
In no way an opinion but a brief albeit inadequate summation of factual case
histories that inform the work of learned NZ historians such as Sinclair, King
and Simpson.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
The article was clear. The government has not been honest.
I know but I'm not in any way exercised by it because there is not, and never
will be, one single human being on this earth who has not, does not, will not
lie at some time or another.
You are responding to someone else.
I am responding to nz general which includes you.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
This particular discourse is about that and not about anything else.
My message is precisely about and directly relevant to what Ms Wilson has to
say (her article itself having initiated this discourse) by my referring to the
historical truths regarding the questionable honesty and integrity of New
Zealand politicians in general. This history includes, without exception, every
New Zealand government that has ever existed since the very first. It's known
as 'realpolitik' - the deploying of pragmatism and expediency, Bismarck's
"Realpolitik is politics or diplomacy based primarily on considerations of
given circumstances and factors, rather than explicit ideological notions or
moral and ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its
philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism."
Post by Tony
Not true.
Prove what you categorically declare.
Post by Tony
Bismark is irrelevant anyway.
In the global context of today's democracies - including New Zealand -
Bismarck's observations couldn't be more relevant. Of course, it takes those
with a considerably broader knowledge, perspective and appreciation of human
and political history to recognise and appreciate both its demonstrable truths
and significance. Any who do not, cannot, will not meet this paramount
requirement, are doomed to fail in any discussion of the immutable moral and
ethical factors in political life, and this includes our own governments both
present and past.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
"Realpolitik is politics or diplomacy based primarily on considerations of
given circumstances and factors, rather than explicit ideological notions or
moral and ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its
philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism."
People lie, politicians are people and they lie.
"People" includes you. Your conscience will surely confirm. You can bet on it.
Post by Tony
That is all this is about. All else is disinformation.
To you, yes, because you are palinly not equipped to handle it. Yours is the
response of someone is lost for argument for lack of that one crucial quality
Of course, it takes those with a considerably broader knowledge, perspective
and appreciation of human and political history to recognise and appreciate
both its demonstrable truths and significance. Any who do not, cannot, will not
meet this quintessential requirement, are doomed to fail in any discussion
involving the immutable moral and ethical factors in political life, and this
includes our own governments both current and past.
Again, I repeat: This in no way excuses a government's - any
government's - behaviour but it goes a considerable way towards explaining it.
Thank goodness we are not all as superior of intellect and wisdom as you. That
would make life unbearable.
It seems to me that you cannot actually debate. And to answer one persons post
but to direct that answer to another is idiotic, unless it is a genuine mistake.
Typical post from Keith. A load of bullshit wrapped in highly decorative words that don't in reality add anything to the debate apart from pontifical crap! So typical of hubris loaded pommies!
Rich80105
2021-07-04 02:20:04 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is
needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the
other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this
pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to
admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating
the
its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general
contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already
flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their
own
vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets
molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Nothing like. Simply a comment justified by the circular boorishness of
one
or
two (they know who they are). And it's plain the cap fits at least one
of
'em,
doesn't it?
Post by Tony
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise of the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty -
something
this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
I do, and I also accept it's unlikely to change much for as long as
there
is
no effective Opposition in play - IOW, I'm a realist.
After all, for as long there has been a New Zealand, honesty and integrity
have never been the paramount virtue of every single born and bred New
Zealander - something you'll have a hard job disproving.
So this particular discourse has been about the similarly and consistently
errant behaviour of a particular cadre of those very same born and bred Kiwis
- IOW, historically, an unremarkable assortment of New Zealand parliamentarians
of no particular or individual stripe, a select few of whom happen currently to
be holding the Treasury benches.
T'was ever thus, honesty, integrity, responsibility and accountability
notwithstanding.
This you know as well as anyone to be true.
No Keith. That is all disinformation.
Nope. I give the **known facts** of the matter relating both to today and the
long-acknowledged history of New Zealand politics.
No only opinion.
In no way an opinion but a brief albeit inadequate summation of factual case
histories that inform the work of learned NZ historians such as Sinclair, King
and Simpson.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
The article was clear. The government has not been honest.
I know but I'm not in any way exercised by it because there is not, and never
will be, one single human being on this earth who has not, does not, will not
lie at some time or another.
You are responding to someone else.
I am responding to nz general which includes you.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
This particular discourse is about that and not about anything else.
My message is precisely about and directly relevant to what Ms Wilson has to
say (her article itself having initiated this discourse) by my referring to the
historical truths regarding the questionable honesty and integrity of New
Zealand politicians in general. This history includes, without exception, every
New Zealand government that has ever existed since the very first. It's known
as 'realpolitik' - the deploying of pragmatism and expediency, Bismarck's
"Realpolitik is politics or diplomacy based primarily on considerations of
given circumstances and factors, rather than explicit ideological notions or
moral and ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its
philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism."
Post by Tony
Not true.
Prove what you categorically declare.
Post by Tony
Bismark is irrelevant anyway.
In the global context of today's democracies - including New Zealand -
Bismarck's observations couldn't be more relevant. Of course, it takes those
with a considerably broader knowledge, perspective and appreciation of human
and political history to recognise and appreciate both its demonstrable truths
and significance. Any who do not, cannot, will not meet this paramount
requirement, are doomed to fail in any discussion of the immutable moral and
ethical factors in political life, and this includes our own governments both
present and past.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
"Realpolitik is politics or diplomacy based primarily on considerations of
given circumstances and factors, rather than explicit ideological notions or
moral and ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its
philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism."
People lie, politicians are people and they lie.
"People" includes you. Your conscience will surely confirm. You can bet on it.
Post by Tony
That is all this is about. All else is disinformation.
To you, yes, because you are palinly not equipped to handle it. Yours is the
response of someone is lost for argument for lack of that one crucial quality
Of course, it takes those with a considerably broader knowledge, perspective
and appreciation of human and political history to recognise and appreciate
both its demonstrable truths and significance. Any who do not, cannot, will not
meet this quintessential requirement, are doomed to fail in any discussion
involving the immutable moral and ethical factors in political life, and this
includes our own governments both current and past.
Again, I repeat: This in no way excuses a government's - any
government's - behaviour but it goes a considerable way towards explaining it.
Thank goodness we are not all as superior of intellect and wisdom as you. That
would make life unbearable.
I am sorry that you even feel some of your life unbearable, Tony. This
thread does not appear particularly unusual for a usenet thread -
sometimes it is appropriate that elements of a previous post be
repeated if it is believed others have forgotten or not grasped their
relevance, but I do not expect this really causes you significant
problems of understanding.
Post by Tony
It seems to me that you cannot actually debate. And to answer one persons post
but to direct that answer to another is idiotic, unless it is a genuine mistake.
Usenet is by its nature a group discussion, Tony. There is no problem
with anyone responding to a number of posts, regardless of who posted
them.
Tony
2021-07-04 02:46:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Again, I repeat: This in no way excuses a government's - any
government's - behaviour but it goes a considerable way towards explaining it.
Thank goodness we are not all as superior of intellect and wisdom as you. That
would make life unbearable.
I am sorry that you even feel some of your life unbearable, Tony. This
thread does not appear particularly unusual for a usenet thread -
sometimes it is appropriate that elements of a previous post be
repeated if it is believed others have forgotten or not grasped their
relevance, but I do not expect this really causes you significant
problems of understanding.
My life is supremely bearable. Unlike you I do not lie, unlike you I do not
overus sarcasm, unlike you I can usually keep to a topic/
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
It seems to me that you cannot actually debate. And to answer one persons post
but to direct that answer to another is idiotic, unless it is a genuine mistake.
Usenet is by its nature a group discussion, Tony. There is no problem
with anyone responding to a number of posts, regardless of who posted
them.
That is idiotic.
James Christophers
2021-07-04 02:55:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is
needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the
other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication
is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to
making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this
pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to
admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating
the
its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general
contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever
to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already
flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their
own
vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets
molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Nothing like. Simply a comment justified by the circular boorishness of
one
or
two (they know who they are). And it's plain the cap fits at least one
of
'em,
doesn't it?
Post by Tony
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise of the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty -
something
this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
I do, and I also accept it's unlikely to change much for as long as
there
is
no effective Opposition in play - IOW, I'm a realist.
After all, for as long there has been a New Zealand, honesty and integrity
have never been the paramount virtue of every single born and bred New
Zealander - something you'll have a hard job disproving.
So this particular discourse has been about the similarly and consistently
errant behaviour of a particular cadre of those very same born and bred
Kiwis
- IOW, historically, an unremarkable assortment of New Zealand
parliamentarians
of no particular or individual stripe, a select few of whom happen
currently to
be holding the Treasury benches.
T'was ever thus, honesty, integrity, responsibility and accountability
notwithstanding.
This you know as well as anyone to be true.
No Keith. That is all disinformation.
Nope. I give the **known facts** of the matter relating both to today and the
long-acknowledged history of New Zealand politics.
No only opinion.
In no way an opinion but a brief albeit inadequate summation of factual case
histories that inform the work of learned NZ historians such as Sinclair, King
and Simpson.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
The article was clear. The government has not been honest.
I know but I'm not in any way exercised by it because there is not, and never
will be, one single human being on this earth who has not, does not, will not
lie at some time or another.
You are responding to someone else.
I am responding to nz general which includes you.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
This particular discourse is about that and not about anything else.
My message is precisely about and directly relevant to what Ms Wilson has to
say (her article itself having initiated this discourse) by my referring to the
historical truths regarding the questionable honesty and integrity of New
Zealand politicians in general. This history includes, without exception, every
New Zealand government that has ever existed since the very first. It's known
as 'realpolitik' - the deploying of pragmatism and expediency, Bismarck's
"Realpolitik is politics or diplomacy based primarily on considerations of
given circumstances and factors, rather than explicit ideological notions or
moral and ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its
philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism."
Post by Tony
Not true.
Prove what you categorically declare.
Post by Tony
Bismark is irrelevant anyway.
In the global context of today's democracies - including New Zealand -
Bismarck's observations couldn't be more relevant. Of course, it takes those
with a considerably broader knowledge, perspective and appreciation of human
and political history to recognise and appreciate both its demonstrable truths
and significance. Any who do not, cannot, will not meet this paramount
requirement, are doomed to fail in any discussion of the immutable moral and
ethical factors in political life, and this includes our own governments both
present and past.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
"Realpolitik is politics or diplomacy based primarily on considerations of
given circumstances and factors, rather than explicit ideological notions or
moral and ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its
philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism."
People lie, politicians are people and they lie.
"People" includes you. Your conscience will surely confirm. You can bet on it.
Post by Tony
That is all this is about. All else is disinformation.
To you, yes, because you are palinly not equipped to handle it. Yours is the
response of someone is lost for argument for lack of that one crucial quality
Of course, it takes those with a considerably broader knowledge, perspective
and appreciation of human and political history to recognise and appreciate
both its demonstrable truths and significance. Any who do not, cannot, will not
meet this quintessential requirement, are doomed to fail in any discussion
involving the immutable moral and ethical factors in political life, and this
includes our own governments both current and past.
Again, I repeat: This in no way excuses a government's - any
government's - behaviour but it goes a considerable way towards explaining it.
Thank goodness we are not all as superior of intellect and wisdom as you. That
would make life unbearable.
I am sorry that you even feel some of your life unbearable, Tony. This
thread does not appear particularly unusual for a usenet thread -
sometimes it is appropriate that elements of a previous post be
repeated if it is believed others have forgotten or not grasped their
relevance, but I do not expect this really causes you significant
problems of understanding.
Post by Tony
It seems to me that you cannot actually debate. And to answer one persons post
but to direct that answer to another is idiotic, unless it is a genuine mistake.
Usenet is by its nature a group discussion, Tony. There is no problem
with anyone responding to a number of posts, regardless of who posted
them.
If the bold-type header above a post announces "Jim" I assume it is Jim who has posted it and that I am responding to Jim in the first instance; that's unless I'm entering a thread at a later stage in its progress where attribution matters.
Tony
2021-07-04 03:18:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by James Christophers
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what
is
needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with
the
other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest
communication
is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to
making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during
this
pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician
to
admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just
repeating
the
its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general
contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything
whatever
to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already
flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their
own
vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets
molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Nothing like. Simply a comment justified by the circular boorishness of
one
or
two (they know who they are). And it's plain the cap fits at least one
of
'em,
doesn't it?
Post by Tony
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise
of
the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty -
something
this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
I do, and I also accept it's unlikely to change much for as long as
there
is
no effective Opposition in play - IOW, I'm a realist.
After all, for as long there has been a New Zealand, honesty and
integrity
have never been the paramount virtue of every single born and bred New
Zealander - something you'll have a hard job disproving.
So this particular discourse has been about the similarly and
consistently
errant behaviour of a particular cadre of those very same born and bred
Kiwis
- IOW, historically, an unremarkable assortment of New Zealand
parliamentarians
of no particular or individual stripe, a select few of whom happen
currently to
be holding the Treasury benches.
T'was ever thus, honesty, integrity, responsibility and accountability
notwithstanding.
This you know as well as anyone to be true.
No Keith. That is all disinformation.
Nope. I give the **known facts** of the matter relating both to today
and
the
long-acknowledged history of New Zealand politics.
No only opinion.
In no way an opinion but a brief albeit inadequate summation of factual case
histories that inform the work of learned NZ historians such as Sinclair, King
and Simpson.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
The article was clear. The government has not been honest.
I know but I'm not in any way exercised by it because there is not, and never
will be, one single human being on this earth who has not, does not,
will
not
lie at some time or another.
You are responding to someone else.
I am responding to nz general which includes you.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
This particular discourse is about that and not about anything else.
My message is precisely about and directly relevant to what Ms Wilson
has
to
say (her article itself having initiated this discourse) by my
referring to
the
historical truths regarding the questionable honesty and integrity of New
Zealand politicians in general. This history includes, without
exception,
every
New Zealand government that has ever existed since the very first. It's known
as 'realpolitik' - the deploying of pragmatism and expediency, Bismarck's
"Realpolitik is politics or diplomacy based primarily on considerations of
given circumstances and factors, rather than explicit ideological notions or
moral and ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its
philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism."
Post by Tony
Not true.
Prove what you categorically declare.
Post by Tony
Bismark is irrelevant anyway.
In the global context of today's democracies - including New Zealand -
Bismarck's observations couldn't be more relevant. Of course, it takes those
with a considerably broader knowledge, perspective and appreciation of human
and political history to recognise and appreciate both its demonstrable truths
and significance. Any who do not, cannot, will not meet this paramount
requirement, are doomed to fail in any discussion of the immutable moral and
ethical factors in political life, and this includes our own governments both
present and past.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
"Realpolitik is politics or diplomacy based primarily on considerations of
given circumstances and factors, rather than explicit ideological
notions
or
moral and ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its
philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism."
People lie, politicians are people and they lie.
"People" includes you. Your conscience will surely confirm. You can bet on it.
Post by Tony
That is all this is about. All else is disinformation.
To you, yes, because you are palinly not equipped to handle it. Yours is the
response of someone is lost for argument for lack of that one crucial quality
Of course, it takes those with a considerably broader knowledge, perspective
and appreciation of human and political history to recognise and appreciate
both its demonstrable truths and significance. Any who do not, cannot, will not
meet this quintessential requirement, are doomed to fail in any discussion
involving the immutable moral and ethical factors in political life, and this
includes our own governments both current and past.
Again, I repeat: This in no way excuses a government's - any
government's - behaviour but it goes a considerable way towards explaining it.
Thank goodness we are not all as superior of intellect and wisdom as you. That
would make life unbearable.
I am sorry that you even feel some of your life unbearable, Tony. This
thread does not appear particularly unusual for a usenet thread -
sometimes it is appropriate that elements of a previous post be
repeated if it is believed others have forgotten or not grasped their
relevance, but I do not expect this really causes you significant
problems of understanding.
Post by Tony
It seems to me that you cannot actually debate. And to answer one persons post
but to direct that answer to another is idiotic, unless it is a genuine mistake.
Usenet is by its nature a group discussion, Tony. There is no problem
with anyone responding to a number of posts, regardless of who posted
them.
If the bold-type header above a post announces "Jim" I assume it is Jim who
has posted it and that I am responding to Jim in the first instance; that's
unless I'm entering a thread at a later stage in its progress where attribution
matters.
Pity, and I thought you were passably usenet savvy. Seems not.
Rich80105
2021-07-04 08:21:01 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what
is
needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with
the
other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest
communication
is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to
making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during
this
pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician
to
admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just
repeating
the
its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general
contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything
whatever
to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already
flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume
their
own
vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets
molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
This appears to have been posted by "undefined" - there was no
evidence of any anger, nor was there any previous post from a poster
named "Keith" - perhaps it indicates some confusion about how usenet
works.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Nothing like. Simply a comment justified by the circular boorishness of
one
or
two (they know who they are). And it's plain the cap fits at least one
of
'em,
doesn't it?
Post by Tony
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise
of
the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty -
something
this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
This post, apparently also from "undefined" makes wild assertions
with no supporting evidence and little relevance to previous posts -=
perhaps an attempt to fit the circular boorishness referred to by the
poster "James Christophers" - but this should be sufficient posting to
demonstrate that a group discussion can have additional comments
applied to previous posts - I appreciate that those with a mind that
can only track one linear sequence of posts may find that difficult to
understand . . .
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
I do, and I also accept it's unlikely to change much for as long as
there
is
no effective Opposition in play - IOW, I'm a realist.
After all, for as long there has been a New Zealand, honesty and
integrity
have never been the paramount virtue of every single born and bred New
Zealander - something you'll have a hard job disproving.
So this particular discourse has been about the similarly and
consistently
errant behaviour of a particular cadre of those very same born and bred
Kiwis
- IOW, historically, an unremarkable assortment of New Zealand
parliamentarians
of no particular or individual stripe, a select few of whom happen
currently to
be holding the Treasury benches.
T'was ever thus, honesty, integrity, responsibility and accountability
notwithstanding.
This you know as well as anyone to be true.
No Keith. That is all disinformation.
Nope. I give the **known facts** of the matter relating both to today
and
the
long-acknowledged history of New Zealand politics.
No only opinion.
And that post is itself of course another example of an unsupported
opinion - not very useful really, but it takes a lot of types of
people to make a village . . .
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
In no way an opinion but a brief albeit inadequate summation of factual case
histories that inform the work of learned NZ historians such as Sinclair, King
and Simpson.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
The article was clear. The government has not been honest.
I know but I'm not in any way exercised by it because there is not, and never
will be, one single human being on this earth who has not, does not,
will
not
lie at some time or another.
You are responding to someone else.
I am responding to nz general which includes you.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
This particular discourse is about that and not about anything else.
My message is precisely about and directly relevant to what Ms Wilson
has
to
say (her article itself having initiated this discourse) by my
referring to
the
historical truths regarding the questionable honesty and integrity of New
Zealand politicians in general. This history includes, without
exception,
every
New Zealand government that has ever existed since the very first. It's known
as 'realpolitik' - the deploying of pragmatism and expediency, Bismarck's
"Realpolitik is politics or diplomacy based primarily on considerations of
given circumstances and factors, rather than explicit ideological notions or
moral and ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its
philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism."
Post by Tony
Not true.
Prove what you categorically declare.
Post by Tony
Bismark is irrelevant anyway.
In the global context of today's democracies - including New Zealand -
Bismarck's observations couldn't be more relevant. Of course, it takes those
with a considerably broader knowledge, perspective and appreciation of human
and political history to recognise and appreciate both its demonstrable truths
and significance. Any who do not, cannot, will not meet this paramount
requirement, are doomed to fail in any discussion of the immutable moral and
ethical factors in political life, and this includes our own governments both
present and past.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
"Realpolitik is politics or diplomacy based primarily on considerations of
given circumstances and factors, rather than explicit ideological
notions
or
moral and ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its
philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism."
People lie, politicians are people and they lie.
"People" includes you. Your conscience will surely confirm. You can bet on it.
Post by Tony
That is all this is about. All else is disinformation.
To you, yes, because you are palinly not equipped to handle it. Yours is the
response of someone is lost for argument for lack of that one crucial quality
Of course, it takes those with a considerably broader knowledge, perspective
and appreciation of human and political history to recognise and appreciate
both its demonstrable truths and significance. Any who do not, cannot, will not
meet this quintessential requirement, are doomed to fail in any discussion
involving the immutable moral and ethical factors in political life, and this
includes our own governments both current and past.
Again, I repeat: This in no way excuses a government's - any
government's - behaviour but it goes a considerable way towards explaining it.
Thank goodness we are not all as superior of intellect and wisdom as you. That
would make life unbearable.
I am sorry that you even feel some of your life unbearable, Tony. This
thread does not appear particularly unusual for a usenet thread -
sometimes it is appropriate that elements of a previous post be
repeated if it is believed others have forgotten or not grasped their
relevance, but I do not expect this really causes you significant
problems of understanding.
Post by Tony
It seems to me that you cannot actually debate. And to answer one persons post
but to direct that answer to another is idiotic, unless it is a genuine mistake.
Usenet is by its nature a group discussion, Tony. There is no problem
with anyone responding to a number of posts, regardless of who posted
them.
And I could expand on that theme if you had problems understanding it,
Tony.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
If the bold-type header above a post announces "Jim" I assume it is Jim who
has posted it and that I am responding to Jim in the first instance; that's
unless I'm entering a thread at a later stage in its progress where attribution
matters.
Pity, and I thought you were passably usenet savvy. Seems not.
I am sorry that the post from James confused you, Tony, but I have
posted following some previous posts to show you that it can be done.
I hope this assists your understanding.. The list of posts above show
a number of posters, with "undefined" being fairly prominent; I have
randomly reposnded to some to give you the idea that usenet can cope
with multiple threads within an overall discussion. No need to thank
me, we all benefit from increasing understanding by those who think
they are qualified to 'control' discussion by others.
John Bowes
2021-07-04 11:03:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what
is
needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with
the
other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest
communication
is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to
making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during
this
pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician
to
admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just
repeating
the
its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general
contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything
whatever
to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already
flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume
their
own
vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets
molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
This appears to have been posted by "undefined" - there was no
evidence of any anger, nor was there any previous post from a poster
named "Keith" - perhaps it indicates some confusion about how usenet
works.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Nothing like. Simply a comment justified by the circular boorishness
of
one
or
two (they know who they are). And it's plain the cap fits at least
one
of
'em,
doesn't it?
Post by Tony
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise
of
the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty -
something
this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be
true.
This post, apparently also from "undefined" makes wild assertions
with no supporting evidence and little relevance to previous posts -=
perhaps an attempt to fit the circular boorishness referred to by the
poster "James Christophers" - but this should be sufficient posting to
demonstrate that a group discussion can have additional comments
applied to previous posts - I appreciate that those with a mind that
can only track one linear sequence of posts may find that difficult to
understand . . .
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
I do, and I also accept it's unlikely to change much for as long as
there
is
no effective Opposition in play - IOW, I'm a realist.
After all, for as long there has been a New Zealand, honesty and
integrity
have never been the paramount virtue of every single born and bred
New
Zealander - something you'll have a hard job disproving.
So this particular discourse has been about the similarly and
consistently
errant behaviour of a particular cadre of those very same born and
bred
Kiwis
- IOW, historically, an unremarkable assortment of New Zealand
parliamentarians
of no particular or individual stripe, a select few of whom happen
currently to
be holding the Treasury benches.
T'was ever thus, honesty, integrity, responsibility and
accountability
notwithstanding.
This you know as well as anyone to be true.
No Keith. That is all disinformation.
Nope. I give the **known facts** of the matter relating both to today
and
the
long-acknowledged history of New Zealand politics.
No only opinion.
And that post is itself of course another example of an unsupported
opinion - not very useful really, but it takes a lot of types of
people to make a village . . .
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
In no way an opinion but a brief albeit inadequate summation of factual case
histories that inform the work of learned NZ historians such as Sinclair, King
and Simpson.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
The article was clear. The government has not been honest.
I know but I'm not in any way exercised by it because there is not, and
never
will be, one single human being on this earth who has not, does not,
will
not
lie at some time or another.
You are responding to someone else.
I am responding to nz general which includes you.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
This particular discourse is about that and not about anything else.
My message is precisely about and directly relevant to what Ms Wilson
has
to
say (her article itself having initiated this discourse) by my
referring to
the
historical truths regarding the questionable honesty and integrity of New
Zealand politicians in general. This history includes, without
exception,
every
New Zealand government that has ever existed since the very first. It's
known
as 'realpolitik' - the deploying of pragmatism and expediency, Bismarck's
famed philosophy being further elucidated in this brief online
"Realpolitik is politics or diplomacy based primarily on considerations of
given circumstances and factors, rather than explicit ideological notions or
moral and ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its
philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism."
Post by Tony
Not true.
Prove what you categorically declare.
Post by Tony
Bismark is irrelevant anyway.
In the global context of today's democracies - including New Zealand -
Bismarck's observations couldn't be more relevant. Of course, it takes those
with a considerably broader knowledge, perspective and appreciation of human
and political history to recognise and appreciate both its demonstrable truths
and significance. Any who do not, cannot, will not meet this paramount
requirement, are doomed to fail in any discussion of the immutable moral and
ethical factors in political life, and this includes our own governments both
present and past.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
"Realpolitik is politics or diplomacy based primarily on considerations
of
given circumstances and factors, rather than explicit ideological
notions
or
moral and ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its
philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism."
People lie, politicians are people and they lie.
"People" includes you. Your conscience will surely confirm. You can bet on it.
Post by Tony
That is all this is about. All else is disinformation.
To you, yes, because you are palinly not equipped to handle it. Yours is the
response of someone is lost for argument for lack of that one crucial quality
Of course, it takes those with a considerably broader knowledge, perspective
and appreciation of human and political history to recognise and appreciate
both its demonstrable truths and significance. Any who do not, cannot, will not
meet this quintessential requirement, are doomed to fail in any discussion
involving the immutable moral and ethical factors in political life, and this
includes our own governments both current and past.
Again, I repeat: This in no way excuses a government's - any
government's - behaviour but it goes a considerable way towards explaining it.
Thank goodness we are not all as superior of intellect and wisdom as you. That
would make life unbearable.
I am sorry that you even feel some of your life unbearable, Tony. This
thread does not appear particularly unusual for a usenet thread -
sometimes it is appropriate that elements of a previous post be
repeated if it is believed others have forgotten or not grasped their
relevance, but I do not expect this really causes you significant
problems of understanding.
Post by Tony
It seems to me that you cannot actually debate. And to answer one persons post
but to direct that answer to another is idiotic, unless it is a genuine mistake.
Usenet is by its nature a group discussion, Tony. There is no problem
with anyone responding to a number of posts, regardless of who posted
them.
And I could expand on that theme if you had problems understanding it,
Tony.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
If the bold-type header above a post announces "Jim" I assume it is Jim who
has posted it and that I am responding to Jim in the first instance; that's
unless I'm entering a thread at a later stage in its progress where attribution
matters.
Pity, and I thought you were passably usenet savvy. Seems not.
I am sorry that the post from James confused you, Tony, but I have
posted following some previous posts to show you that it can be done.
I hope this assists your understanding.. The list of posts above show
a number of posters, with "undefined" being fairly prominent; I have
randomly reposnded to some to give you the idea that usenet can cope
with multiple threads within an overall discussion. No need to thank
me, we all benefit from increasing understanding by those who think
they are qualified to 'control' discussion by others.
Do stop demonstrating just how fucking stupid you are Rich!
Tony
2021-07-04 20:28:20 UTC
Permalink
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see your post.
No loss there.
John Bowes
2021-07-04 22:05:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see your post.
No loss there.
Considering the tirade from Keith/Ling/latest nym and Rich the summary must be bang on :)
George Black
2021-07-05 00:34:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see your post.
No loss there.
The first news groups were run by Deja News and that was quite some time
ago 1995.
Then google-buys-deja-news-usenet-archive
Rich80105
2021-07-05 00:58:42 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
to hide the headers - see this from a recent post:

On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Tony
2021-07-05 01:19:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
You appalling liar. I did no such thing. The word undefined does not appear in
any post in my newreader.
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
OK so you have some sort of problem, probably your incompetence or an
out-of-date or corrupt newsreader.
If you really care why don't you ask someone else what they see. I don't care.
Rich80105
2021-07-05 09:10:09 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 20:19:19 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
You appalling liar. I did no such thing. The word undefined does not appear in
any post in my newreader.
You deleted both the posts and the headers that said who had posted .
. . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
OK so you have some sort of problem, probably your incompetence or an
out-of-date or corrupt newsreader.
If you really care why don't you ask someone else what they see. I don't care.
Tony
2021-07-05 19:32:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 20:19:19 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
You appalling liar. I did no such thing. The word undefined does not appear in
any post in my newreader.
You deleted both the posts and the headers that said who had posted .
I did not delete anything on your PC you dickhead. So I deleted nothing of
value, dickhead.
Post by Rich80105
. . . .
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
OK so you have some sort of problem, probably your incompetence or an
out-of-date or corrupt newsreader.
If you really care why don't you ask someone else what they see. I don't care.
Tony
2021-07-05 02:38:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
I dismissed this earlier, but on second thoughts.
You are simply stupid and deliberately abusive. I cannot hide the headers in
your newsreader. What on earth are you on?
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Rich80105
2021-07-05 09:08:42 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 21:38:31 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
I dismissed this earlier, but on second thoughts.
You are simply stupid and deliberately abusive. I cannot hide the headers in
your newsreader. What on earth are you on?
You deleted the posts that previous people had made - so that yuor
post starting "you are the one with no usenet knowpedge ... " had much
fewer lines than the post you were replying to - and together with
content of those posts you removed the identification of who had
posted.

So you will see the posts in this sub-thread as coming from Tony, then
Rich80105, then Tony, then Rich80105 again.

If you look back at the history before you created the stubbed
sub-thread, there was quite an interchange between James Christophers
and "undefined" - see below.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Tony
2021-07-05 19:36:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 21:38:31 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
I dismissed this earlier, but on second thoughts.
You are simply stupid and deliberately abusive. I cannot hide the headers in
your newsreader. What on earth are you on?
You deleted the posts that previous people had made
No you fool I deleted a portion of "one" copy of a post.
Post by Rich80105
- so that yuor
post starting "you are the one with no usenet knowpedge ... " had much
fewer lines than the post you were replying to - and together with
content of those posts you removed the identification of who had
posted.
No you fool I deleted a portion of one copy of a post.
The post is still intact for all to see, except you apparently.
Post by Rich80105
So you will see the posts in this sub-thread as coming from Tony, then
Rich80105, then Tony, then Rich80105 again.
If you look back at the history before you created the stubbed
sub-thread, there was quite an interchange between James Christophers
and "undefined" - see below.
Who cares, I have no idea who undefined is and that name does not appear in my
news reader.
Hint, if you can take the time to attempt some understanding. You use Google
groups, I do not. Think about it.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Nellie the Elephant
2021-07-05 04:40:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
WOW. It is impossible to "delete" posts. Headers cannot be *deleted*
either.
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
James Christophers
2021-07-05 04:55:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
WOW. It is impossible to "delete" posts. Headers cannot be *deleted*
either.
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
As far as I know, the self-styled thread-hogger "undefined" has made no complaint about my addressing both it and Unknown simultaneously. So there's no harm in treating them both as one and the same on the gentlemanly assumption that "Undefined" is Unknown's amanuensis.
Nellie the Elephant
2021-07-05 05:09:52 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 21:55:49 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
WOW. It is impossible to "delete" posts. Headers cannot be *deleted*
either.
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
As far as I know, the self-styled thread-hogger "undefined" has made no complaint about my addressing both it and Unknown simultaneously. So there's no harm in treating them both as one and the same on the gentlemanly assumption that "Undefined" is Unknown's amanuensis.
Whatever that means.
Deleting headers, posts or most of anything in usenet is not possible
withoiut acrobatic contortions and even then unlikely to succeed.
I did a check of "undefined" and found maybe 6 posts in 3 months (as
far as I could be bothered) I found no "unknown" posts.
That took all of 3 minutes most of which was spent drinking coffee
while doing something of real value.
All very silly don't you think?
Or is it a bit of a lark?
James Christophers
2021-07-05 05:29:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 21:55:49 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
WOW. It is impossible to "delete" posts. Headers cannot be *deleted*
either.
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
As far as I know, the self-styled thread-hogger "undefined" has made no complaint about my addressing both it and Unknown simultaneously. So there's no harm in treating them both as one and the same on the gentlemanly assumption that "Undefined" is Unknown's amanuensis.
Whatever that means.
Deleting headers, posts or most of anything in usenet is not possible
withoiut acrobatic contortions and even then unlikely to succeed.
I did a check of "undefined" and found maybe 6 posts in 3 months (as
far as I could be bothered) I found no "unknown" posts.
That took all of 3 minutes most of which was spent drinking coffee
while doing something of real value.
All very silly don't you think?
Or is it a bit of a lark?
The latter, it seems. After all, no NZ coroner's report has ever declared the deceased to have died of an nz.general epiphany, nor is one ever likely to.

Fact is, with Tony Unknown plainly having engaged bar-room Bowes as his hell-raiser, muse and mentor, what harm could any country of whatever stripe possibly come to?
John Bowes
2021-07-05 21:57:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 21:55:49 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
WOW. It is impossible to "delete" posts. Headers cannot be *deleted*
either.
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
As far as I know, the self-styled thread-hogger "undefined" has made no complaint about my addressing both it and Unknown simultaneously. So there's no harm in treating them both as one and the same on the gentlemanly assumption that "Undefined" is Unknown's amanuensis.
Whatever that means.
Deleting headers, posts or most of anything in usenet is not possible
withoiut acrobatic contortions and even then unlikely to succeed.
I did a check of "undefined" and found maybe 6 posts in 3 months (as
far as I could be bothered) I found no "unknown" posts.
That took all of 3 minutes most of which was spent drinking coffee
while doing something of real value.
All very silly don't you think?
Or is it a bit of a lark?
The latter, it seems. After all, no NZ coroner's report has ever declared the deceased to have died of an nz.general epiphany, nor is one ever likely to.
Fact is, with Tony Unknown plainly having engaged bar-room Bowes as his hell-raiser, muse and mentor, what harm could any country of whatever stripe possibly come to?
Stop being a fucking ass Keith! You know you wet yourself whenever you see tony or me post to the group.
Now crawl back into the nice safe Victorian world you still live in like a good little imbecile!
Nellie the Elephant
2021-07-06 03:02:23 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 22:29:11 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 21:55:49 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
WOW. It is impossible to "delete" posts. Headers cannot be *deleted*
either.
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
As far as I know, the self-styled thread-hogger "undefined" has made no complaint about my addressing both it and Unknown simultaneously. So there's no harm in treating them both as one and the same on the gentlemanly assumption that "Undefined" is Unknown's amanuensis.
Whatever that means.
Deleting headers, posts or most of anything in usenet is not possible
withoiut acrobatic contortions and even then unlikely to succeed.
I did a check of "undefined" and found maybe 6 posts in 3 months (as
far as I could be bothered) I found no "unknown" posts.
That took all of 3 minutes most of which was spent drinking coffee
while doing something of real value.
All very silly don't you think?
Or is it a bit of a lark?
The latter, it seems.
If it is a bit of a lark to you then why not find something to do that
is less destructive?
Post by James Christophers
After all, no NZ coroner's report has ever declared the deceased to have died of an nz.general epiphany, nor is one ever likely to.
An unfortunate sentence perhaps.Who is deceased?
Post by James Christophers
Fact is, with Tony Unknown plainly having engaged bar-room Bowes as his hell-raiser, muse and mentor, what harm could any country of whatever stripe possibly come to?
You are pretty tough on anybody that takes you to task don't you
think. I doubt that live and let live has ever been your motto.
Why you append the word unknown to someone's name is baffling, are you
known? Am I known? Is Rich known. Childish beyond reason.
I don't think that Tony has engaged anyone, Rich however does seem to
have engaged you, perhaps the reverse is also true. Strange bedfellows
and all that eh what?
Rich80105
2021-07-06 07:35:34 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:02:23 +1200, Nellie the Elephant
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 22:29:11 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 21:55:49 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
WOW. It is impossible to "delete" posts. Headers cannot be *deleted*
either.
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
As far as I know, the self-styled thread-hogger "undefined" has made no complaint about my addressing both it and Unknown simultaneously. So there's no harm in treating them both as one and the same on the gentlemanly assumption that "Undefined" is Unknown's amanuensis.
Whatever that means.
Deleting headers, posts or most of anything in usenet is not possible
withoiut acrobatic contortions and even then unlikely to succeed.
I did a check of "undefined" and found maybe 6 posts in 3 months (as
far as I could be bothered) I found no "unknown" posts.
That took all of 3 minutes most of which was spent drinking coffee
while doing something of real value.
All very silly don't you think?
Or is it a bit of a lark?
The latter, it seems.
If it is a bit of a lark to you then why not find something to do that
is less destructive?
Post by James Christophers
After all, no NZ coroner's report has ever declared the deceased to have died of an nz.general epiphany, nor is one ever likely to.
An unfortunate sentence perhaps.Who is deceased?
Post by James Christophers
Fact is, with Tony Unknown plainly having engaged bar-room Bowes as his hell-raiser, muse and mentor, what harm could any country of whatever stripe possibly come to?
You are pretty tough on anybody that takes you to task don't you
think. I doubt that live and let live has ever been your motto.
Why you append the word unknown to someone's name is baffling, are you
known? Am I known? Is Rich known. Childish beyond reason.
The issue was not name calling.
it is usually possible to track whomade previous comments from fields
at the top of the latest message - so for example earlier in this
"undefined" is not a regular poster, but if it is desirable to beclear
as to whose comment is being referred to, all we have is the name
"undefined" for some posts.

Tony thinks that is a deficiency in my usenet reader (I use Agent
version 8.00, which dates from the period 2008 to 2014). I believe it
is a poster (who possibly also posts under another name) that may be
too embarassed to identify himself under the normal posting name used.
I believe Tony to be either confused or seeking to confuse others -
from those posts and his response he may be the poster using the
posting name "undefined", but there is no hard evidence either
supporting or refuting that possibility.
Post by Nellie the Elephant
I don't think that Tony has engaged anyone, Rich however does seem to
have engaged you, perhaps the reverse is also true. Strange bedfellows
and all that eh what?
Tony
2021-07-06 20:52:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:02:23 +1200, Nellie the Elephant
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 22:29:11 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 21:55:49 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single
post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in
a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please
carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see
your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
WOW. It is impossible to "delete" posts. Headers cannot be *deleted*
either.
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 15:59:25 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 11:33:19 UTC+12, Gordon
As far as I know, the self-styled thread-hogger "undefined" has made no
complaint about my addressing both it and Unknown simultaneously. So there's no
harm in treating them both as one and the same on the gentlemanly assumption
that "Undefined" is Unknown's amanuensis.
Whatever that means.
Deleting headers, posts or most of anything in usenet is not possible
withoiut acrobatic contortions and even then unlikely to succeed.
I did a check of "undefined" and found maybe 6 posts in 3 months (as
far as I could be bothered) I found no "unknown" posts.
That took all of 3 minutes most of which was spent drinking coffee
while doing something of real value.
All very silly don't you think?
Or is it a bit of a lark?
The latter, it seems.
If it is a bit of a lark to you then why not find something to do that
is less destructive?
Post by James Christophers
After all, no NZ coroner's report has ever declared the deceased to have
died of an nz.general epiphany, nor is one ever likely to.
An unfortunate sentence perhaps.Who is deceased?
Post by James Christophers
Fact is, with Tony Unknown plainly having engaged bar-room Bowes as his
hell-raiser, muse and mentor, what harm could any country of whatever stripe
possibly come to?
You are pretty tough on anybody that takes you to task don't you
think. I doubt that live and let live has ever been your motto.
Why you append the word unknown to someone's name is baffling, are you
known? Am I known? Is Rich known. Childish beyond reason.
The issue was not name calling.
it is usually possible to track whomade previous comments from fields
at the top of the latest message - so for example earlier in this
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 15:59:25 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 11:33:19 UTC+12, Gordon
"undefined" is not a regular poster, but if it is desirable to beclear
as to whose comment is being referred to, all we have is the name
"undefined" for some posts.
Tony thinks that is a deficiency in my usenet reader (I use Agent
version 8.00, which dates from the period 2008 to 2014). I believe it
is a poster (who possibly also posts under another name) that may be
too embarassed to identify himself under the normal posting name used.
I believe Tony to be either confused or seeking to confuse others -
from those posts and his response he may be the poster using the
posting name "undefined", but there is no hard evidence either
supporting or refuting that possibility.
It really is time that you stopped trying to understand technology, however
simple. Some of us can, some cannot, you are in the latter category.
The word undefined does not appear in any of my posts when viewed using my news
reader, it apparently does appear in yours. Ergo, yours is the likely culprit.
The second most likely is Google Groups, where the word reportedly appears but
does not appear in any other host as far as I know. It certainly does not
appear in the host that I use. I have already given you that hint, but
apparently it went whoosh over your head.
Do be a good little dick and get some help from a semi-trained monkey; one that
is more likely to understand tyechnology than you.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Nellie the Elephant
I don't think that Tony has engaged anyone, Rich however does seem to
have engaged you, perhaps the reverse is also true. Strange bedfellows
and all that eh what?
Rich80105
2021-07-06 21:46:47 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:52:51 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:02:23 +1200, Nellie the Elephant
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 22:29:11 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 21:55:49 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single
post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in
a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please
carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see
your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
WOW. It is impossible to "delete" posts. Headers cannot be *deleted*
either.
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot
net
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 15:59:25 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 11:33:19 UTC+12, Gordon
As far as I know, the self-styled thread-hogger "undefined" has made no
complaint about my addressing both it and Unknown simultaneously. So there's no
harm in treating them both as one and the same on the gentlemanly assumption
that "Undefined" is Unknown's amanuensis.
Whatever that means.
Deleting headers, posts or most of anything in usenet is not possible
withoiut acrobatic contortions and even then unlikely to succeed.
I did a check of "undefined" and found maybe 6 posts in 3 months (as
far as I could be bothered) I found no "unknown" posts.
That took all of 3 minutes most of which was spent drinking coffee
while doing something of real value.
All very silly don't you think?
Or is it a bit of a lark?
The latter, it seems.
If it is a bit of a lark to you then why not find something to do that
is less destructive?
Post by James Christophers
After all, no NZ coroner's report has ever declared the deceased to have
died of an nz.general epiphany, nor is one ever likely to.
An unfortunate sentence perhaps.Who is deceased?
Post by James Christophers
Fact is, with Tony Unknown plainly having engaged bar-room Bowes as his
hell-raiser, muse and mentor, what harm could any country of whatever stripe
possibly come to?
You are pretty tough on anybody that takes you to task don't you
think. I doubt that live and let live has ever been your motto.
Why you append the word unknown to someone's name is baffling, are you
known? Am I known? Is Rich known. Childish beyond reason.
The issue was not name calling.
it is usually possible to track whomade previous comments from fields
at the top of the latest message - so for example earlier in this
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 15:59:25 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 11:33:19 UTC+12, Gordon
"undefined" is not a regular poster, but if it is desirable to beclear
as to whose comment is being referred to, all we have is the name
"undefined" for some posts.
Tony thinks that is a deficiency in my usenet reader (I use Agent
version 8.00, which dates from the period 2008 to 2014). I believe it
is a poster (who possibly also posts under another name) that may be
too embarassed to identify himself under the normal posting name used.
I believe Tony to be either confused or seeking to confuse others -
from those posts and his response he may be the poster using the
posting name "undefined", but there is no hard evidence either
supporting or refuting that possibility.
It really is time that you stopped trying to understand technology, however
simple. Some of us can, some cannot, you are in the latter category.
The word undefined does not appear in any of my posts when viewed using my news
reader, it apparently does appear in yours. Ergo, yours is the likely culprit.
The second most likely is Google Groups, where the word reportedly appears but
does not appear in any other host as far as I know. It certainly does not
appear in the host that I use. I have already given you that hint, but
apparently it went whoosh over your head.
I do not use Google Groups, Tony - perhaps it is giganews or some
other Usenet provider that is causing the problem.
Post by Tony
Do be a good little dick and get some help from a semi-trained monkey; one that
is more likely to understand tyechnology than you.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Nellie the Elephant
I don't think that Tony has engaged anyone, Rich however does seem to
have engaged you, perhaps the reverse is also true. Strange bedfellows
and all that eh what?
John Bowes
2021-07-06 22:04:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:52:51 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:02:23 +1200, Nellie the Elephant
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 22:29:11 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 21:55:49 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single
post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in
a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please
carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see
your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
WOW. It is impossible to "delete" posts. Headers cannot be *deleted*
either.
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot
net
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 15:59:25 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 11:33:19 UTC+12, Gordon
As far as I know, the self-styled thread-hogger "undefined" has made no
complaint about my addressing both it and Unknown simultaneously. So there's no
harm in treating them both as one and the same on the gentlemanly assumption
that "Undefined" is Unknown's amanuensis.
Whatever that means.
Deleting headers, posts or most of anything in usenet is not possible
withoiut acrobatic contortions and even then unlikely to succeed.
I did a check of "undefined" and found maybe 6 posts in 3 months (as
far as I could be bothered) I found no "unknown" posts.
That took all of 3 minutes most of which was spent drinking coffee
while doing something of real value.
All very silly don't you think?
Or is it a bit of a lark?
The latter, it seems.
If it is a bit of a lark to you then why not find something to do that
is less destructive?
Post by James Christophers
After all, no NZ coroner's report has ever declared the deceased to have
died of an nz.general epiphany, nor is one ever likely to.
An unfortunate sentence perhaps.Who is deceased?
Post by James Christophers
Fact is, with Tony Unknown plainly having engaged bar-room Bowes as his
hell-raiser, muse and mentor, what harm could any country of whatever stripe
possibly come to?
You are pretty tough on anybody that takes you to task don't you
think. I doubt that live and let live has ever been your motto.
Why you append the word unknown to someone's name is baffling, are you
known? Am I known? Is Rich known. Childish beyond reason.
The issue was not name calling.
it is usually possible to track whomade previous comments from fields
at the top of the latest message - so for example earlier in this
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 15:59:25 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 11:33:19 UTC+12, Gordon
"undefined" is not a regular poster, but if it is desirable to beclear
as to whose comment is being referred to, all we have is the name
"undefined" for some posts.
Tony thinks that is a deficiency in my usenet reader (I use Agent
version 8.00, which dates from the period 2008 to 2014). I believe it
is a poster (who possibly also posts under another name) that may be
too embarassed to identify himself under the normal posting name used.
I believe Tony to be either confused or seeking to confuse others -
from those posts and his response he may be the poster using the
posting name "undefined", but there is no hard evidence either
supporting or refuting that possibility.
It really is time that you stopped trying to understand technology, however
simple. Some of us can, some cannot, you are in the latter category.
The word undefined does not appear in any of my posts when viewed using my news
reader, it apparently does appear in yours. Ergo, yours is the likely culprit.
The second most likely is Google Groups, where the word reportedly appears but
does not appear in any other host as far as I know. It certainly does not
appear in the host that I use. I have already given you that hint, but
apparently it went whoosh over your head.
I do not use Google Groups, Tony - perhaps it is giganews or some
other Usenet provider that is causing the problem.
As so often the problem is only in what passes for your tiny brain Rich. Time you gave up and admitted you're incapable of logical debate and stayed under your bridge!
Tony always appears in my news reader as unknown. However unlike you Rich I don't get my tits in a tange every time I see it. I jst respond to the thread. Obviously you are of to delicate a mental health condition and need to find a safe room to cower in like your woke brothers and sisters...
Rich80105
2021-07-06 23:55:08 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 15:04:19 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:52:51 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:02:23 +1200, Nellie the Elephant
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 22:29:11 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 21:55:49 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single
post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in
a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please
carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see
your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
WOW. It is impossible to "delete" posts. Headers cannot be *deleted*
either.
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot
net
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 15:59:25 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 11:33:19 UTC+12, Gordon
As far as I know, the self-styled thread-hogger "undefined" has made no
complaint about my addressing both it and Unknown simultaneously. So there's no
harm in treating them both as one and the same on the gentlemanly assumption
that "Undefined" is Unknown's amanuensis.
Whatever that means.
Deleting headers, posts or most of anything in usenet is not possible
withoiut acrobatic contortions and even then unlikely to succeed.
I did a check of "undefined" and found maybe 6 posts in 3 months (as
far as I could be bothered) I found no "unknown" posts.
That took all of 3 minutes most of which was spent drinking coffee
while doing something of real value.
All very silly don't you think?
Or is it a bit of a lark?
The latter, it seems.
If it is a bit of a lark to you then why not find something to do that
is less destructive?
Post by James Christophers
After all, no NZ coroner's report has ever declared the deceased to have
died of an nz.general epiphany, nor is one ever likely to.
An unfortunate sentence perhaps.Who is deceased?
Post by James Christophers
Fact is, with Tony Unknown plainly having engaged bar-room Bowes as his
hell-raiser, muse and mentor, what harm could any country of whatever stripe
possibly come to?
You are pretty tough on anybody that takes you to task don't you
think. I doubt that live and let live has ever been your motto.
Why you append the word unknown to someone's name is baffling, are you
known? Am I known? Is Rich known. Childish beyond reason.
The issue was not name calling.
it is usually possible to track whomade previous comments from fields
at the top of the latest message - so for example earlier in this
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 15:59:25 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 11:33:19 UTC+12, Gordon
"undefined" is not a regular poster, but if it is desirable to beclear
as to whose comment is being referred to, all we have is the name
"undefined" for some posts.
Tony thinks that is a deficiency in my usenet reader (I use Agent
version 8.00, which dates from the period 2008 to 2014). I believe it
is a poster (who possibly also posts under another name) that may be
too embarassed to identify himself under the normal posting name used.
I believe Tony to be either confused or seeking to confuse others -
from those posts and his response he may be the poster using the
posting name "undefined", but there is no hard evidence either
supporting or refuting that possibility.
It really is time that you stopped trying to understand technology, however
simple. Some of us can, some cannot, you are in the latter category.
The word undefined does not appear in any of my posts when viewed using my news
reader, it apparently does appear in yours. Ergo, yours is the likely culprit.
The second most likely is Google Groups, where the word reportedly appears but
does not appear in any other host as far as I know. It certainly does not
appear in the host that I use. I have already given you that hint, but
apparently it went whoosh over your head.
I do not use Google Groups, Tony - perhaps it is giganews or some
other Usenet provider that is causing the problem.
As so often the problem is only in what passes for your tiny brain Rich. Time you gave up and admitted you're incapable of logical debate and stayed under your bridge!
Tony always appears in my news reader as unknown. However unlike you Rich I don't get my tits in a tange every time I see it. I jst respond to the thread. Obviously you are of to delicate a mental health condition and need to find a safe room to cower in like your woke brothers and sisters...
Thanks John Bowes - Tony has clearly been unaware of that reality;
undefined / unknown suit his posts fairly well anyway.
Tony
2021-07-07 00:11:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 15:04:19 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:52:51 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:02:23 +1200, Nellie the Elephant
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 22:29:11 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 21:55:49 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
On Mon, 05 Jul 2021 12:58:42 +1200, Rich80105
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot
net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a
single
post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been
updated in
a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput.
Please
carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not
see
your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the
thread
WOW. It is impossible to "delete" posts. Headers cannot be *deleted*
either.
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot
net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon
dot
net
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 19:02:12 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 17:14:47 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 15:59:25 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 11:33:19 UTC+12, Gordon
As far as I know, the self-styled thread-hogger "undefined" has made no
complaint about my addressing both it and Unknown simultaneously. So
there's no
harm in treating them both as one and the same on the gentlemanly
assumption
that "Undefined" is Unknown's amanuensis.
Whatever that means.
Deleting headers, posts or most of anything in usenet is not possible
withoiut acrobatic contortions and even then unlikely to succeed.
I did a check of "undefined" and found maybe 6 posts in 3 months (as
far as I could be bothered) I found no "unknown" posts.
That took all of 3 minutes most of which was spent drinking coffee
while doing something of real value.
All very silly don't you think?
Or is it a bit of a lark?
The latter, it seems.
If it is a bit of a lark to you then why not find something to do that
is less destructive?
Post by James Christophers
After all, no NZ coroner's report has ever declared the deceased to have
died of an nz.general epiphany, nor is one ever likely to.
An unfortunate sentence perhaps.Who is deceased?
Post by James Christophers
Fact is, with Tony Unknown plainly having engaged bar-room Bowes as his
hell-raiser, muse and mentor, what harm could any country of whatever stripe
possibly come to?
You are pretty tough on anybody that takes you to task don't you
think. I doubt that live and let live has ever been your motto.
Why you append the word unknown to someone's name is baffling, are you
known? Am I known? Is Rich known. Childish beyond reason.
The issue was not name calling.
it is usually possible to track whomade previous comments from fields
at the top of the latest message - so for example earlier in this
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by James Christophers
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 19:02:12 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 17:14:47 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 15:59:25 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 11:33:19 UTC+12, Gordon
"undefined" is not a regular poster, but if it is desirable to beclear
as to whose comment is being referred to, all we have is the name
"undefined" for some posts.
Tony thinks that is a deficiency in my usenet reader (I use Agent
version 8.00, which dates from the period 2008 to 2014). I believe it
is a poster (who possibly also posts under another name) that may be
too embarassed to identify himself under the normal posting name used.
I believe Tony to be either confused or seeking to confuse others -
from those posts and his response he may be the poster using the
posting name "undefined", but there is no hard evidence either
supporting or refuting that possibility.
It really is time that you stopped trying to understand technology, however
simple. Some of us can, some cannot, you are in the latter category.
The word undefined does not appear in any of my posts when viewed using my news
reader, it apparently does appear in yours. Ergo, yours is the likely culprit.
The second most likely is Google Groups, where the word reportedly appears but
does not appear in any other host as far as I know. It certainly does not
appear in the host that I use. I have already given you that hint, but
apparently it went whoosh over your head.
I do not use Google Groups, Tony - perhaps it is giganews or some
other Usenet provider that is causing the problem.
As so often the problem is only in what passes for your tiny brain Rich. Time
you gave up and admitted you're incapable of logical debate and stayed under
your bridge!
Tony always appears in my news reader as unknown. However unlike you Rich I
don't get my tits in a tange every time I see it. I jst respond to the thread.
Obviously you are of to delicate a mental health condition and need to find a
safe room to cower in like your woke brothers and sisters...
Thanks John Bowes - Tony has clearly been unaware of that reality;
undefined / unknown suit his posts fairly well anyway.
I was well aware that John also uses Google Groups, do you see the pattern
here? No that would be asking for a revolution in your brain.
John Bowes
2021-07-07 01:26:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 15:04:19 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:52:51 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:02:23 +1200, Nellie the Elephant
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 22:29:11 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 21:55:49 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
On Mon, 05 Jul 2021 12:58:42 +1200, Rich80105
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot
net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a
single
post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been
updated in
a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput.
Please
carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not
see
your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the
thread
WOW. It is impossible to "delete" posts. Headers cannot be
*deleted*
either.
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot
net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon
dot
net
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 19:02:12 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 17:14:47 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 15:59:25 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 11:33:19 UTC+12, Gordon
As far as I know, the self-styled thread-hogger "undefined" has made
no
complaint about my addressing both it and Unknown simultaneously. So
there's no
harm in treating them both as one and the same on the gentlemanly
assumption
that "Undefined" is Unknown's amanuensis.
Whatever that means.
Deleting headers, posts or most of anything in usenet is not possible
withoiut acrobatic contortions and even then unlikely to succeed.
I did a check of "undefined" and found maybe 6 posts in 3 months (as
far as I could be bothered) I found no "unknown" posts.
That took all of 3 minutes most of which was spent drinking coffee
while doing something of real value.
All very silly don't you think?
Or is it a bit of a lark?
The latter, it seems.
If it is a bit of a lark to you then why not find something to do that
is less destructive?
Post by James Christophers
After all, no NZ coroner's report has ever declared the deceased to have
died of an nz.general epiphany, nor is one ever likely to.
An unfortunate sentence perhaps.Who is deceased?
Post by James Christophers
Fact is, with Tony Unknown plainly having engaged bar-room Bowes as his
hell-raiser, muse and mentor, what harm could any country of whatever
stripe
possibly come to?
You are pretty tough on anybody that takes you to task don't you
think. I doubt that live and let live has ever been your motto.
Why you append the word unknown to someone's name is baffling, are you
known? Am I known? Is Rich known. Childish beyond reason.
The issue was not name calling.
it is usually possible to track whomade previous comments from fields
at the top of the latest message - so for example earlier in this
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by James Christophers
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 19:02:12 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 17:14:47 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 15:59:25 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 11:33:19 UTC+12, Gordon
"undefined" is not a regular poster, but if it is desirable to beclear
as to whose comment is being referred to, all we have is the name
"undefined" for some posts.
Tony thinks that is a deficiency in my usenet reader (I use Agent
version 8.00, which dates from the period 2008 to 2014). I believe it
is a poster (who possibly also posts under another name) that may be
too embarassed to identify himself under the normal posting name used.
I believe Tony to be either confused or seeking to confuse others -
from those posts and his response he may be the poster using the
posting name "undefined", but there is no hard evidence either
supporting or refuting that possibility.
It really is time that you stopped trying to understand technology, however
simple. Some of us can, some cannot, you are in the latter category.
The word undefined does not appear in any of my posts when viewed using my news
reader, it apparently does appear in yours. Ergo, yours is the likely culprit.
The second most likely is Google Groups, where the word reportedly appears but
does not appear in any other host as far as I know. It certainly does not
appear in the host that I use. I have already given you that hint, but
apparently it went whoosh over your head.
I do not use Google Groups, Tony - perhaps it is giganews or some
other Usenet provider that is causing the problem.
As so often the problem is only in what passes for your tiny brain Rich. Time
you gave up and admitted you're incapable of logical debate and stayed under
your bridge!
Tony always appears in my news reader as unknown. However unlike you Rich I
don't get my tits in a tange every time I see it. I jst respond to the thread.
Obviously you are of to delicate a mental health condition and need to find a
safe room to cower in like your woke brothers and sisters...
Thanks John Bowes - Tony has clearly been unaware of that reality;
undefined / unknown suit his posts fairly well anyway.
I was well aware that John also uses Google Groups, do you see the pattern
here? No that would be asking for a revolution in your brain.
Rich is just exhibiting his need for attention of any sort Tony. Truly Rich is a sad little person. much like his hero Lenin and makes even less sense.
John Bowes
2021-07-07 01:24:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 15:04:19 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
Post by John Bowes
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:52:51 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:02:23 +1200, Nellie the Elephant
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 22:29:11 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 21:55:49 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single
post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in
a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please
carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see
your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
WOW. It is impossible to "delete" posts. Headers cannot be *deleted*
either.
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot
net
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 15:59:25 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 11:33:19 UTC+12, Gordon
As far as I know, the self-styled thread-hogger "undefined" has made no
complaint about my addressing both it and Unknown simultaneously. So there's no
harm in treating them both as one and the same on the gentlemanly assumption
that "Undefined" is Unknown's amanuensis.
Whatever that means.
Deleting headers, posts or most of anything in usenet is not possible
withoiut acrobatic contortions and even then unlikely to succeed.
I did a check of "undefined" and found maybe 6 posts in 3 months (as
far as I could be bothered) I found no "unknown" posts.
That took all of 3 minutes most of which was spent drinking coffee
while doing something of real value.
All very silly don't you think?
Or is it a bit of a lark?
The latter, it seems.
If it is a bit of a lark to you then why not find something to do that
is less destructive?
Post by James Christophers
After all, no NZ coroner's report has ever declared the deceased to have
died of an nz.general epiphany, nor is one ever likely to.
An unfortunate sentence perhaps.Who is deceased?
Post by James Christophers
Fact is, with Tony Unknown plainly having engaged bar-room Bowes as his
hell-raiser, muse and mentor, what harm could any country of whatever stripe
possibly come to?
You are pretty tough on anybody that takes you to task don't you
think. I doubt that live and let live has ever been your motto.
Why you append the word unknown to someone's name is baffling, are you
known? Am I known? Is Rich known. Childish beyond reason.
The issue was not name calling.
it is usually possible to track whomade previous comments from fields
at the top of the latest message - so for example earlier in this
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 15:59:25 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 11:33:19 UTC+12, Gordon
"undefined" is not a regular poster, but if it is desirable to beclear
as to whose comment is being referred to, all we have is the name
"undefined" for some posts.
Tony thinks that is a deficiency in my usenet reader (I use Agent
version 8.00, which dates from the period 2008 to 2014). I believe it
is a poster (who possibly also posts under another name) that may be
too embarassed to identify himself under the normal posting name used.
I believe Tony to be either confused or seeking to confuse others -
from those posts and his response he may be the poster using the
posting name "undefined", but there is no hard evidence either
supporting or refuting that possibility.
It really is time that you stopped trying to understand technology, however
simple. Some of us can, some cannot, you are in the latter category.
The word undefined does not appear in any of my posts when viewed using my news
reader, it apparently does appear in yours. Ergo, yours is the likely culprit.
The second most likely is Google Groups, where the word reportedly appears but
does not appear in any other host as far as I know. It certainly does not
appear in the host that I use. I have already given you that hint, but
apparently it went whoosh over your head.
I do not use Google Groups, Tony - perhaps it is giganews or some
other Usenet provider that is causing the problem.
As so often the problem is only in what passes for your tiny brain Rich. Time you gave up and admitted you're incapable of logical debate and stayed under your bridge!
Tony always appears in my news reader as unknown. However unlike you Rich I don't get my tits in a tange every time I see it. I jst respond to the thread. Obviously you are of to delicate a mental health condition and need to find a safe room to cower in like your woke brothers and sisters...
Thanks John Bowes - Tony has clearly been unaware of that reality;
undefined / unknown suit his posts fairly well anyway.
Stop being a fucking imbecile Rich! You couldn't teach a young child spelling let alone teach anything else to anybody else! But if your so desperate to be noticed just keep acting like an imbecile!
Tony
2021-07-06 22:23:36 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:52:51 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:02:23 +1200, Nellie the Elephant
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 22:29:11 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 21:55:49 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single
post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in
a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please
carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see
your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
WOW. It is impossible to "delete" posts. Headers cannot be *deleted*
either.
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot
net
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 17:14:47 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 15:59:25 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 11:33:19 UTC+12, Gordon
As far as I know, the self-styled thread-hogger "undefined" has made no
complaint about my addressing both it and Unknown simultaneously. So there's no
harm in treating them both as one and the same on the gentlemanly assumption
that "Undefined" is Unknown's amanuensis.
Whatever that means.
Deleting headers, posts or most of anything in usenet is not possible
withoiut acrobatic contortions and even then unlikely to succeed.
I did a check of "undefined" and found maybe 6 posts in 3 months (as
far as I could be bothered) I found no "unknown" posts.
That took all of 3 minutes most of which was spent drinking coffee
while doing something of real value.
All very silly don't you think?
Or is it a bit of a lark?
The latter, it seems.
If it is a bit of a lark to you then why not find something to do that
is less destructive?
Post by James Christophers
After all, no NZ coroner's report has ever declared the deceased to have
died of an nz.general epiphany, nor is one ever likely to.
An unfortunate sentence perhaps.Who is deceased?
Post by James Christophers
Fact is, with Tony Unknown plainly having engaged bar-room Bowes as his
hell-raiser, muse and mentor, what harm could any country of whatever stripe
possibly come to?
You are pretty tough on anybody that takes you to task don't you
think. I doubt that live and let live has ever been your motto.
Why you append the word unknown to someone's name is baffling, are you
known? Am I known? Is Rich known. Childish beyond reason.
The issue was not name calling.
it is usually possible to track whomade previous comments from fields
at the top of the latest message - so for example earlier in this
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 17:14:47 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 15:59:25 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 11:33:19 UTC+12, Gordon
"undefined" is not a regular poster, but if it is desirable to beclear
as to whose comment is being referred to, all we have is the name
"undefined" for some posts.
Tony thinks that is a deficiency in my usenet reader (I use Agent
version 8.00, which dates from the period 2008 to 2014). I believe it
is a poster (who possibly also posts under another name) that may be
too embarassed to identify himself under the normal posting name used.
I believe Tony to be either confused or seeking to confuse others -
from those posts and his response he may be the poster using the
posting name "undefined", but there is no hard evidence either
supporting or refuting that possibility.
It really is time that you stopped trying to understand technology, however
simple. Some of us can, some cannot, you are in the latter category.
The word undefined does not appear in any of my posts when viewed using my news
reader, it apparently does appear in yours. Ergo, yours is the likely culprit.
The second most likely is Google Groups, where the word reportedly appears but
does not appear in any other host as far as I know. It certainly does not
appear in the host that I use. I have already given you that hint, but
apparently it went whoosh over your head.
I do not use Google Groups, Tony - perhaps it is giganews or some
other Usenet provider that is causing the problem.
You may think that you don't use Google groups but in fact you do. see
65baed41-3b28-4829-809d-***@googlegroups.com in your posting header.
The fact is eternal-september takes most of it's data from google groups.
I use Giganews so it is not them, but the bottom line is this -
You accused me of posting as undefined, and you have been hinting at it for
some time.
Grow up and learn to co-exist with real human beings.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Do be a good little dick and get some help from a semi-trained monkey; one that
is more likely to understand tyechnology than you.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Nellie the Elephant
I don't think that Tony has engaged anyone, Rich however does seem to
have engaged you, perhaps the reverse is also true. Strange bedfellows
and all that eh what?
John Bowes
2021-07-06 22:29:16 UTC
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Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:52:51 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:02:23 +1200, Nellie the Elephant
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 22:29:11 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 21:55:49 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single
post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated
in
a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please
carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see
your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
WOW. It is impossible to "delete" posts. Headers cannot be *deleted*
either.
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon
dot
net
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 17:14:47 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 15:59:25 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 11:33:19 UTC+12, Gordon
As far as I know, the self-styled thread-hogger "undefined" has made no
complaint about my addressing both it and Unknown simultaneously. So
there's no
harm in treating them both as one and the same on the gentlemanly
assumption
that "Undefined" is Unknown's amanuensis.
Whatever that means.
Deleting headers, posts or most of anything in usenet is not possible
withoiut acrobatic contortions and even then unlikely to succeed.
I did a check of "undefined" and found maybe 6 posts in 3 months (as
far as I could be bothered) I found no "unknown" posts.
That took all of 3 minutes most of which was spent drinking coffee
while doing something of real value.
All very silly don't you think?
Or is it a bit of a lark?
The latter, it seems.
If it is a bit of a lark to you then why not find something to do that
is less destructive?
Post by James Christophers
After all, no NZ coroner's report has ever declared the deceased to have
died of an nz.general epiphany, nor is one ever likely to.
An unfortunate sentence perhaps.Who is deceased?
Post by James Christophers
Fact is, with Tony Unknown plainly having engaged bar-room Bowes as his
hell-raiser, muse and mentor, what harm could any country of whatever stripe
possibly come to?
You are pretty tough on anybody that takes you to task don't you
think. I doubt that live and let live has ever been your motto.
Why you append the word unknown to someone's name is baffling, are you
known? Am I known? Is Rich known. Childish beyond reason.
The issue was not name calling.
it is usually possible to track whomade previous comments from fields
at the top of the latest message - so for example earlier in this
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 17:14:47 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 15:59:25 UTC+12, undefined
On Saturday, 3 July 2021 at 11:33:19 UTC+12, Gordon
"undefined" is not a regular poster, but if it is desirable to beclear
as to whose comment is being referred to, all we have is the name
"undefined" for some posts.
Tony thinks that is a deficiency in my usenet reader (I use Agent
version 8.00, which dates from the period 2008 to 2014). I believe it
is a poster (who possibly also posts under another name) that may be
too embarassed to identify himself under the normal posting name used.
I believe Tony to be either confused or seeking to confuse others -
from those posts and his response he may be the poster using the
posting name "undefined", but there is no hard evidence either
supporting or refuting that possibility.
It really is time that you stopped trying to understand technology, however
simple. Some of us can, some cannot, you are in the latter category.
The word undefined does not appear in any of my posts when viewed using my news
reader, it apparently does appear in yours. Ergo, yours is the likely culprit.
The second most likely is Google Groups, where the word reportedly appears but
does not appear in any other host as far as I know. It certainly does not
appear in the host that I use. I have already given you that hint, but
apparently it went whoosh over your head.
I do not use Google Groups, Tony - perhaps it is giganews or some
other Usenet provider that is causing the problem.
You may think that you don't use Google groups but in fact you do. see
The fact is eternal-september takes most of it's data from google groups.
I use Giganews so it is not them, but the bottom line is this -
You accused me of posting as undefined, and you have been hinting at it for
some time.
Grow up and learn to co-exist with real human beings.
Go easy on Rich. he's just having a hissy fit and meto moment. Probably got laughed at by a bunch of kindergarteners when he told them Jacinda was the best PM NZ has ever had :)
Nellie the Elephant
2021-07-06 23:56:03 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:02:23 +1200, Nellie the Elephant
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 22:29:11 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 21:55:49 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
WOW. It is impossible to "delete" posts. Headers cannot be *deleted*
either.
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
As far as I know, the self-styled thread-hogger "undefined" has made no complaint about my addressing both it and Unknown simultaneously. So there's no harm in treating them both as one and the same on the gentlemanly assumption that "Undefined" is Unknown's amanuensis.
Whatever that means.
Deleting headers, posts or most of anything in usenet is not possible
withoiut acrobatic contortions and even then unlikely to succeed.
I did a check of "undefined" and found maybe 6 posts in 3 months (as
far as I could be bothered) I found no "unknown" posts.
That took all of 3 minutes most of which was spent drinking coffee
while doing something of real value.
All very silly don't you think?
Or is it a bit of a lark?
The latter, it seems.
If it is a bit of a lark to you then why not find something to do that
is less destructive?
Post by James Christophers
After all, no NZ coroner's report has ever declared the deceased to have died of an nz.general epiphany, nor is one ever likely to.
An unfortunate sentence perhaps.Who is deceased?
Post by James Christophers
Fact is, with Tony Unknown plainly having engaged bar-room Bowes as his hell-raiser, muse and mentor, what harm could any country of whatever stripe possibly come to?
You are pretty tough on anybody that takes you to task don't you
think. I doubt that live and let live has ever been your motto.
Why you append the word unknown to someone's name is baffling, are you
known? Am I known? Is Rich known. Childish beyond reason.
The issue was not name calling.
it is usually possible to track whomade previous comments from fields
at the top of the latest message - so for example earlier in this
"undefined" is not a regular poster, but if it is desirable to beclear
as to whose comment is being referred to, all we have is the name
"undefined" for some posts.
Tony thinks that is a deficiency in my usenet reader (I use Agent
version 8.00, which dates from the period 2008 to 2014). I believe it
is a poster (who possibly also posts under another name) that may be
too embarassed to identify himself under the normal posting name used.
I believe Tony to be either confused or seeking to confuse others -
from those posts and his response he may be the poster using the
posting name "undefined", but there is no hard evidence either
supporting or refuting that possibility.
There is no evidence at all, hard or otherwise for any of your
fantasies in this topic.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Nellie the Elephant
I don't think that Tony has engaged anyone, Rich however does seem to
have engaged you, perhaps the reverse is also true. Strange bedfellows
and all that eh what?
John Bowes
2021-07-07 01:25:08 UTC
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Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 06 Jul 2021 15:02:23 +1200, Nellie the Elephant
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 22:29:11 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 21:55:49 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
On Sun, 04 Jul 2021 15:28:20 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
You are the one with no usenet knowpedge. I have not seen a single post from
"undefined". Perhaps you are drunk.
Your ancient news reader may be at fault, it has not been updated in a decade.
As for the other silliness that you and Keith are on aboput. Please carry on,
it simple means that the person who you are answering will not see your post.
No loss there.
I suspect that you deliberately deleted previous posts to the thread
WOW. It is impossible to "delete" posts. Headers cannot be *deleted*
either.
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 22:18:40 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Sat, 03 Jul 2021 20:11:35 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
As far as I know, the self-styled thread-hogger "undefined" has made no complaint about my addressing both it and Unknown simultaneously. So there's no harm in treating them both as one and the same on the gentlemanly assumption that "Undefined" is Unknown's amanuensis.
Whatever that means.
Deleting headers, posts or most of anything in usenet is not possible
withoiut acrobatic contortions and even then unlikely to succeed.
I did a check of "undefined" and found maybe 6 posts in 3 months (as
far as I could be bothered) I found no "unknown" posts.
That took all of 3 minutes most of which was spent drinking coffee
while doing something of real value.
All very silly don't you think?
Or is it a bit of a lark?
The latter, it seems.
If it is a bit of a lark to you then why not find something to do that
is less destructive?
Post by James Christophers
After all, no NZ coroner's report has ever declared the deceased to have died of an nz.general epiphany, nor is one ever likely to.
An unfortunate sentence perhaps.Who is deceased?
Post by James Christophers
Fact is, with Tony Unknown plainly having engaged bar-room Bowes as his hell-raiser, muse and mentor, what harm could any country of whatever stripe possibly come to?
You are pretty tough on anybody that takes you to task don't you
think. I doubt that live and let live has ever been your motto.
Why you append the word unknown to someone's name is baffling, are you
known? Am I known? Is Rich known. Childish beyond reason.
The issue was not name calling.
it is usually possible to track whomade previous comments from fields
at the top of the latest message - so for example earlier in this
"undefined" is not a regular poster, but if it is desirable to beclear
as to whose comment is being referred to, all we have is the name
"undefined" for some posts.
Tony thinks that is a deficiency in my usenet reader (I use Agent
version 8.00, which dates from the period 2008 to 2014). I believe it
is a poster (who possibly also posts under another name) that may be
too embarassed to identify himself under the normal posting name used.
I believe Tony to be either confused or seeking to confuse others -
from those posts and his response he may be the poster using the
posting name "undefined", but there is no hard evidence either
supporting or refuting that possibility.
There is no evidence at all, hard or otherwise for any of your
fantasies in this topic.
Rich never has evidence of anything except his fucking stupidity :)
John Bowes
2021-07-03 05:17:09 UTC
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Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating the its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general contributor's
easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever to
increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already flogged-to-death
unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their own vomit
for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets molesting
sweet old biddies and small dogs..
So angry Keith?
Nothing like. Simply a comment justified by the circular boorishness of one or two (they know who they are). And it's plain the cap fits at least one of 'em, doesn't it?
Post by Tony
Maybe your vomit needs to be reconsumed.
But seriously. It has nothing to do with the supply or otherwise of the
vaccine, it is and always was to do with integrity and honesty - something this
government has precious little of. I think you know that to be true.
I do, and I also accept it's unlikely to change much for as long as there is no effective Opposition in play - IOW, I'm a realist.
After all, for as long there has been a New Zealand, honesty and integrity have never been the paramount virtue of every single born and bred New Zealander - something you'll have a hard job disproving.
It is easily spotted in such boorish entities as yourself Keith. Funny how you immitate Rich's inability to see his own faults when criticising others.
Post by James Christophers
So this particular discourse has been about the similarly and consistently errant behaviour of a particular cadre of those very same born and bred Kiwis - IOW, historically, an unremarkable assortment of New Zealand parliamentarians of no particular or individual stripe, a select few of whom happen currently to be holding the Treasury benches.
T'was ever thus, honesty, integrity, responsibility and accountability notwithstanding.
Seen in every one of your own long winded and boring posts Keith.
Post by James Christophers
This you know as well as anyone to be true.
This you know as well as anyone to be true Keith :)
Rich80105
2021-07-03 04:21:31 UTC
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On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 20:16:06 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Gordon
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/125626002/covid19-honest-conversations-absent-on-vaccine-supply-and-rollout
This is a good summary of where things are at present and what is needed.
The supply might be beyond the Governments control along with the other
covid related matters/effects, but the lack of honest communication is
causing confusion, frustration and is going to go a long way to making
a winter of discontent.
The shamble factor is increasing like covid cases have during this pandemic.
Which gets stories flying around on social media.
This will not get better as it is impossible for any politician to admit
they are wrong, or things are not going as planned. Just repeating the its
all ahead of plan is not really of much use.
Neither will Janet Wilson's, nor your, nor any other nz general contributor's easy strictures - justified though they may be - do anything whatever to increase the rate of supply to advance the roll-out.
Undoubtely true, but it does ignore the desirability of honest
journalism and accurate holding of government to account. Thre is a
clear implication that the government has lied, from the first
sentence on, but no evidence given. The article concentrates on the
Covid vaccine roll out. We have had a plan published now for quite a
few weeks showing how many vaccination doses we would have completed,
based on the agreed supply of vaccines. Clearly the plan allowed for
some delay after supply arrives before each shipment is used - it
takes time and staff to administer the injections. The planned
recruitment of people able to make the injections has improved,
leading to us recently being arounf 6 to 8% better than planned
delivery, but that could not last forever; for the first time we have
used previous shipments before the next shipment arrived. No problem
with any of that, except the presentation of this as not being in
accordance with the plan, or the wrong implication that the plan had
changed - instead it was evidence that the plan is being achieved!

Recently there was a fuss about some public servants paying for
articles to be published praising hte work they were doing - that was
rightly criticised, and the government took some flak for not being
aware of it, and then being misled by the department. This article is
not being flagged as an "infomercial", and it is not being put forward
by Stuff as being personal opinion, even though it is by a PR person /
ex journalist who has most recently been in the news as a National
Party insider - she was Press Secretary for Todd Muller.

It is apparently still possible to do at least elementary
fact-checking of letters to the Editor -
https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/125624319/letters-to-the-editor--why-are-so-many-bigoted-mad-or-just-plain-wrong
it is a poor reflection on Stuff that they allowed this clearly
partisan, biassed and untruthful article to be presented without
acknowledging the reality that it was written by a PR hack with a
known bias and that it is itself misleading and untrue.
Post by James Christophers
All else is, and can only be, the regurgitating of already flogged-to-death unpalatable truths by those who must needs repeatedly consume their own vomit for want of anything more productive to keep them off the streets molesting sweet old biddies and small dogs..
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