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Tony
2020-10-01 05:27:55 UTC
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140 billion dollar typographical error dismissed as unimportant by Grant
Robertson.
But a 4 billion dollar equally silly error was apparently the end of the world
when Ntaional made it.
Politicians are amazingly childish when they are looking for votes.
Gordon
2020-10-01 06:29:51 UTC
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140 billion dollar typographical error dismissed as unimportant by Grant
Robertson.
But a 4 billion dollar equally silly error was apparently the end of the world
when Ntaional made it.
Politicians are amazingly childish when they are looking for votes.
More importantly, it seems that both major parties need to get some quality
Assurance training. Or understanding of what they are trying to do.
Tony
2020-10-01 06:48:56 UTC
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Post by Tony
140 billion dollar typographical error dismissed as unimportant by Grant
Robertson.
But a 4 billion dollar equally silly error was apparently the end of the world
when Ntaional made it.
Politicians are amazingly childish when they are looking for votes.
More importantly, it seems that both major parties need to get some quality
Assurance training. Or understanding of what they are trying to do.
Gordon they are politicians.
There is a rather unfair saying that goes like this -
Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach.
I prefer -
Those who can, do; those who can’t, become politicians.
John Bowes
2020-10-01 08:07:43 UTC
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140 billion dollar typographical error dismissed as unimportant by Grant
Robertson.
But a 4 billion dollar equally silly error was apparently the end of the world
when Ntaional made it.
Politicians are amazingly childish when they are looking for votes.
To the left and it's followers it can only ever be : Labour good, National bad :)
Rich80105
2020-10-01 09:19:04 UTC
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Post by Tony
140 billion dollar typographical error dismissed as unimportant by Grant
Robertson.
But a 4 billion dollar equally silly error was apparently the end of the world
when Ntaional made it.
Politicians are amazingly childish when they are looking for votes.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/grant-robertson-explains-140-billion-typo-in-labour-partys-fiscal-plan

Critics can be amazingly childish looking to find fault when only an
idiot could have ever been misled . . .

Corrected within an hour - whereas Goldsmith still denies one of his
errors, still uses the wrong numbers for average wage, and Collins has
not apologised for saying Samoa closed borders a month earlier than NZ
- in fact it was two days after NZ.

National liars, see everyone else through that lens . . .
John Bowes
2020-10-01 10:28:29 UTC
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On Thu, 01 Oct 2020 00:27:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
140 billion dollar typographical error dismissed as unimportant by Grant
Robertson.
But a 4 billion dollar equally silly error was apparently the end of the world
when Ntaional made it.
Politicians are amazingly childish when they are looking for votes.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/grant-robertson-explains-140-billion-typo-in-labour-partys-fiscal-plan
Critics can be amazingly childish looking to find fault when only an
idiot could have ever been misled . . .
<crap snipped>
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National liars, see everyone else through that lens . . .
Labour liars just keep pushing the same crap! When it comes to being chilish rich YOU wear the crown :)
Tony
2020-10-01 19:35:10 UTC
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On Thu, 01 Oct 2020 00:27:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
140 billion dollar typographical error dismissed as unimportant by Grant
Robertson.
But a 4 billion dollar equally silly error was apparently the end of the world
when Ntaional made it.
Politicians are amazingly childish when they are looking for votes.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/grant-robertson-explains-140-billion-typo-in-labour-partys-fiscal-plan
Critics can be amazingly childish looking to find fault when only an
idiot could have ever been misled . . .
Corrected within an hour - whereas Goldsmith still denies one of his
errors, still uses the wrong numbers for average wage, and Collins has
not apologised for saying Samoa closed borders a month earlier than NZ
- in fact it was two days after NZ.
National liars, see everyone else through that lens . . .
Goldsmith admitted the first two almost immediately. The final one has yet to
be proven to be an error.
You are the one with biased eyes; you have never, not once, acknowledged an
error by this Labour led government - not once. And there have been dozens of
them.
Your bias, not mine.
I am not biased towards National and never have been. But I am biased against
an incompetent government led by someone who treats us like kindergarten
children.
James Christophers
2020-10-01 21:26:00 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 01 Oct 2020 00:27:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
140 billion dollar typographical error dismissed as unimportant by Grant
Robertson.
But a 4 billion dollar equally silly error was apparently the end of the world
when Ntaional made it.
Politicians are amazingly childish when they are looking for votes.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/grant-robertson-explains-140-billion-typo-in-labour-partys-fiscal-plan
Critics can be amazingly childish looking to find fault when only an
idiot could have ever been misled . . .
Corrected within an hour - whereas Goldsmith still denies one of his
errors, still uses the wrong numbers for average wage, and Collins has
not apologised for saying Samoa closed borders a month earlier than NZ
- in fact it was two days after NZ.
National liars, see everyone else through that lens . . .
Goldsmith admitted the first two almost immediately. The final one has yet to
be proven to be an error.
Since you choose to compare competencies, an axis on a **representative** graph had mistakenly been labelled dollars not percentages. Unlike Goldsmith’s glaring schoolboy **policy** howlers, Robertson's policy calculations themselves - the bit wot matters - were perfectly in order. No worries, then.

And as if that were not uplifting enough during such stressful times, Stuff’s level-headed Coughlan specifically highlights that "Labour would have about $56b of debt in 2025-26, a remarkable effort, considering that on the eve of the Covid-19 crisis in 2019, the Government had just $56b worth of debt”. Even so, “the best laid plans of mice and men...”)

For you off-topic, yes, but word is that Peters and his party have been exonerated from dubious charges of election funding fraud, which is all to the good since it eliminates all doubt and uncertainty as to that gentleman’s towering probity and exquisitely balanced judgement. Whether this translates into improved polling for his party remains to be seen.

So, taken overall, what’s not to like, eh, particularly since business confidence under Labour is now also well and truly on the up? In fact, many of our infinitely wealthier partner OECD economies would give their right arms not only to swap for our current economic circumstances but also for Ardern’s handling of the Covid-19 crisis.

To end on your lamentably trite kindergarten whinge, I’m sure even you would agree that the fragrant Ardern is nothing if not all-inclusive, even going so far as to shelter yapping misogynists like the Little Trentham Troll under her wing, dutiful, bounty.

Mustn't grumble, aye!
James Christophers
2020-10-01 21:54:26 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 01 Oct 2020 00:27:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
140 billion dollar typographical error dismissed as unimportant by Grant
Robertson.
But a 4 billion dollar equally silly error was apparently the end of the world
when Ntaional made it.
Politicians are amazingly childish when they are looking for votes.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/grant-robertson-explains-140-billion-typo-in-labour-partys-fiscal-plan
Critics can be amazingly childish looking to find fault when only an
idiot could have ever been misled . . .
Corrected within an hour - whereas Goldsmith still denies one of his
errors, still uses the wrong numbers for average wage, and Collins has
not apologised for saying Samoa closed borders a month earlier than NZ
- in fact it was two days after NZ.
National liars, see everyone else through that lens . . .
Goldsmith admitted the first two almost immediately. The final one has yet to
be proven to be an error.
Since you choose to compare competencies, an axis on a **representative** graph had mistakenly been labelled dollars not percentages. Unlike Goldsmith’s glaring schoolboy **policy** howlers, Robertson's policy calculations themselves - the bit wot matters - were perfectly in order. No worries, then.

And as if that were not uplifting enough during such stressful times, Stuff’s level-headed Coughlan specifically highlights that "Labour would have about $56b of debt in 2025-26, a remarkable effort, considering that on the eve of the Covid-19 crisis in 2019, the Government had just $56b worth of debt”. Even so, “the best laid plans of mice and men...”)

For you off-topic, yes, but word is that Peters and his party have been exonerated from dubious charges of election funding fraud, which is all to the good since it eliminates all doubt and uncertainty as to that gentleman’s towering probity and exquisitely balanced judgement. Whether this translates into improved polling for his party remains to be seen.

So, taken overall, what’s not to like, eh, particularly since business confidence under Labour is now also well and truly on the up? In fact, many of our infinitely wealthier partner OECD economies would give their right arms not only to swap for our current economic circumstances but also for Ardern’s handling of the Covid-19 crisis.

To end on your lamentably trite kindergarten whinge, I’m sure even you would agree that the fragrant Ardern is nothing if not all-inclusive, even going so far as to shelter yapping misogynists like the Little Trentham Troll under her wing, dutiful, bounteous mother hen that she is.

Mustn't grumble, aye!
Tony
2020-10-01 23:07:07 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 01 Oct 2020 00:27:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
140 billion dollar typographical error dismissed as unimportant by Grant
Robertson.
But a 4 billion dollar equally silly error was apparently the end of the world
when Ntaional made it.
Politicians are amazingly childish when they are looking for votes.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/grant-robertson-explains-140-billion-typo-in-labour-partys-fiscal-plan
Critics can be amazingly childish looking to find fault when only an
idiot could have ever been misled . . .
Corrected within an hour - whereas Goldsmith still denies one of his
errors, still uses the wrong numbers for average wage, and Collins has
not apologised for saying Samoa closed borders a month earlier than NZ
- in fact it was two days after NZ.
National liars, see everyone else through that lens . . .
Goldsmith admitted the first two almost immediately. The final one has yet to
be proven to be an error.
Since you choose to compare competencies, an axis on a **representative**
graph had mistakenly been labelled dollars not percentages. Unlike
Goldsmith’s glaring schoolboy **policy** howlers, Robertson's policy
calculations themselves - the bit wot matters - were perfectly in order. No
worries, then.
And as if that were not uplifting enough during such stressful times,
Stuff’s level-headed Coughlan specifically highlights that "Labour would have
about $56b of debt in 2025-26, a remarkable effort, considering that on the eve
of the Covid-19 crisis in 2019, the Government had just $56b worth of debt”.
Even so, “the best laid plans of mice and men...”)
For you off-topic, yes, but word is that Peters and his party have been
exonerated from dubious charges of election funding fraud, which is all to the
good since it eliminates all doubt and uncertainty as to that gentleman’s
towering probity and exquisitely balanced judgement. Whether this translates
into improved polling for his party remains to be seen.
So, taken overall, what’s not to like, eh, particularly since business
confidence under Labour is now also well and truly on the up? In fact, many of
our infinitely wealthier partner OECD economies would give their right arms not
only to swap for our current economic circumstances but also for Ardern’s
handling of the Covid-19 crisis.
To end on your lamentably trite kindergarten whinge, I’m sure even you would
agree that the fragrant Ardern is nothing if not all-inclusive, even going so
far as to shelter yapping misogynists like the Little Trentham Troll under her
wing, dutiful, bounteous mother hen that she is.
Mustn't grumble, aye!
Your blind obedience to the left is noted by all.
The facts are clear. Both made mistakes and they are both politicians and there
you really do have it. Equal in failure and artifice.
James Christophers
2020-10-02 00:17:35 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 01 Oct 2020 00:27:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
140 billion dollar typographical error dismissed as unimportant by Grant
Robertson.
But a 4 billion dollar equally silly error was apparently the end of the world
when Ntaional made it.
Politicians are amazingly childish when they are looking for votes.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/grant-robertson-explains-140-billion-typo-in-labour-partys-fiscal-plan
Critics can be amazingly childish looking to find fault when only an
idiot could have ever been misled . . .
Corrected within an hour - whereas Goldsmith still denies one of his
errors, still uses the wrong numbers for average wage, and Collins has
not apologised for saying Samoa closed borders a month earlier than NZ
- in fact it was two days after NZ.
National liars, see everyone else through that lens . . .
Goldsmith admitted the first two almost immediately. The final one has yet to
be proven to be an error.
Since you choose to compare competencies, an axis on a **representative**
graph had mistakenly been labelled dollars not percentages.
Fact.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Unlike Goldsmith’s glaring schoolboy **policy** howlers, Robertson's policy
calculations themselves - the bit wot matters - were perfectly in order.
Fact.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
No worries, then.
And as if that were not uplifting enough during such stressful times,
Stuff’s level-headed Coughlan specifically highlights that "Labour would have
about $56b of debt in 2025-26, a remarkable effort, considering that on the eve
of the Covid-19 crisis in 2019, the Government had just $56b worth of debt”.
Fact (according to Coughlan)
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Even so, “the best laid plans of mice and men...”
Fact.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
For you off-topic, yes, but word is that Peters and his party have been
exonerated from dubious charges of election funding fraud,
Fact.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
which is all to the good since it eliminates all doubt and uncertainty as to that gentleman’s
towering probity and exquisitely balanced judgement. Whether this translates
into improved polling for his party remains to be seen.
Fact.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
So, taken overall, what’s not to like, eh, particularly since business
confidence under Labour is now also well and truly on the up?
Fact.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
In fact, many of our infinitely wealthier partner OECD economies would give their right arms not
only to swap for our current economic circumstances but also for Ardern’s
handling of the Covid-19 crisis.
Fact, as their international commentary confirms.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
To end on your lamentably trite kindergarten whinge, I’m sure even you would
agree that the fragrant Ardern is nothing if not all-inclusive, even going so
far as to shelter yapping misogynists like the Little Trentham Troll under her
wing, dutiful, bounteous mother hen that she is.
Mustn't grumble, aye!
Your blind obedience to the left is noted by all.
Any supposed allegiance on my part is invariably confined solely to my assessment as to which electoral prospect I sense is likely to do me and the majority of New Zealanders the least harm.
Post by Tony
The facts are clear.
That you plainly haven't an argument worth having, certainly. As your observant mate "Rich" puts it, "Critics (like you) can be amazingly childish looking to find fault when only an idiot could have ever been misled . . ."
Post by Tony
Both made mistakes and they are both politicians and there
you really do have it.
You make mistakes but you are not, thank God, a politician, and there you really do have it - i.e. you equate the triviality of a mis-named axis with the enormity of an incompetent would-be finance minister who can't even do kiddy-grade maths.
Post by Tony
Equal in failure and artifice.
In what way do you differ? Do tell!
Tony
2020-10-02 00:58:54 UTC
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On Thu, 01 Oct 2020 00:27:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
140 billion dollar typographical error dismissed as unimportant by Grant
Robertson.
But a 4 billion dollar equally silly error was apparently the end of
the
world
when Ntaional made it.
Politicians are amazingly childish when they are looking for votes.
Post by Rich80105
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/grant-robertson-explains-140-billion-typo-in-labour-partys-fiscal-plan
Critics can be amazingly childish looking to find fault when only an
idiot could have ever been misled . . .
Corrected within an hour - whereas Goldsmith still denies one of his
errors, still uses the wrong numbers for average wage, and Collins has
not apologised for saying Samoa closed borders a month earlier than NZ
- in fact it was two days after NZ.
National liars, see everyone else through that lens . . .
Goldsmith admitted the first two almost immediately. The final one has
yet
to
be proven to be an error.
Since you choose to compare competencies, an axis on a **representative**
graph had mistakenly been labelled dollars not percentages.
Fact.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Unlike Goldsmith’s glaring schoolboy **policy** howlers, Robertson's
policy
calculations themselves - the bit wot matters - were perfectly in order.
Fact.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
No worries, then.
And as if that were not uplifting enough during such stressful times,
Stuff’s level-headed Coughlan specifically highlights that "Labour would have
about $56b of debt in 2025-26, a remarkable effort, considering that on the eve
of the Covid-19 crisis in 2019, the Government had just $56b worth of debt”.
Fact (according to Coughlan)
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Even so, “the best laid plans of mice and men...”
Fact.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
For you off-topic, yes, but word is that Peters and his party have been
exonerated from dubious charges of election funding fraud,
Fact.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
which is all to the good since it eliminates all doubt and uncertainty as
to that gentleman’s
towering probity and exquisitely balanced judgement. Whether this translates
into improved polling for his party remains to be seen.
Fact.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
So, taken overall, what’s not to like, eh, particularly since business
confidence under Labour is now also well and truly on the up?
Fact.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
In fact, many of our infinitely wealthier partner OECD economies would give
their right arms not
only to swap for our current economic circumstances but also for Ardern’s
handling of the Covid-19 crisis.
Fact, as their international commentary confirms.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
To end on your lamentably trite kindergarten whinge, I’m sure even you would
agree that the fragrant Ardern is nothing if not all-inclusive, even going so
far as to shelter yapping misogynists like the Little Trentham Troll under her
wing, dutiful, bounteous mother hen that she is.
Mustn't grumble, aye!
Your blind obedience to the left is noted by all.
Any supposed allegiance on my part is invariably confined solely to my
assessment as to which electoral prospect I sense is likely to do me and the
majority of New Zealanders the least harm.
Post by Tony
The facts are clear.
That you plainly haven't an argument worth having, certainly. As your
observant mate "Rich" puts it, "Critics (like you) can be amazingly childish
looking to find fault when only an idiot could have ever been misled . . ."
Post by Tony
Both made mistakes and they are both politicians and there
you really do have it.
You make mistakes but you are not, thank God, a politician, and there you
really do have it - i.e. you equate the triviality of a mis-named axis with
the enormity of an incompetent would-be finance minister who can't even do
kiddy-grade maths.
Facts notwithstanding (and not questioned by me) absolute nonsense.
Post by James Christophers
Post by Tony
Equal in failure and artifice.
In what way do you differ? Do tell!
Rich80105
2020-10-02 01:23:01 UTC
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On Thu, 01 Oct 2020 14:35:10 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 01 Oct 2020 00:27:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
140 billion dollar typographical error dismissed as unimportant by Grant
Robertson.
But a 4 billion dollar equally silly error was apparently the end of the world
when Ntaional made it.
Politicians are amazingly childish when they are looking for votes.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/grant-robertson-explains-140-billion-typo-in-labour-partys-fiscal-plan
Critics can be amazingly childish looking to find fault when only an
idiot could have ever been misled . . .
Corrected within an hour - whereas Goldsmith still denies one of his
errors, still uses the wrong numbers for average wage, and Collins has
not apologised for saying Samoa closed borders a month earlier than NZ
- in fact it was two days after NZ.
National liars, see everyone else through that lens . . .
Goldsmith admitted the first two almost immediately. The final one has yet to
be proven to be an error.
You are the one with biased eyes; you have never, not once, acknowledged an
error by this Labour led government - not once. And there have been dozens of
them.
Error by Labour acknowledged above - if there had been no error there
would have been nothing to correct
Post by Tony
Your bias, not mine.
I am not biased towards National and never have been. But I am biased against
an incompetent government led by someone who treats us like kindergarten
children.
Tony
2020-10-02 02:35:31 UTC
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On Thu, 01 Oct 2020 14:35:10 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Thu, 01 Oct 2020 00:27:55 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
140 billion dollar typographical error dismissed as unimportant by Grant
Robertson.
But a 4 billion dollar equally silly error was apparently the end of the world
when Ntaional made it.
Politicians are amazingly childish when they are looking for votes.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/grant-robertson-explains-140-billion-typo-in-labour-partys-fiscal-plan
Critics can be amazingly childish looking to find fault when only an
idiot could have ever been misled . . .
Corrected within an hour - whereas Goldsmith still denies one of his
errors, still uses the wrong numbers for average wage, and Collins has
not apologised for saying Samoa closed borders a month earlier than NZ
- in fact it was two days after NZ.
National liars, see everyone else through that lens . . .
Goldsmith admitted the first two almost immediately. The final one has yet to
be proven to be an error.
You are the one with biased eyes; you have never, not once, acknowledged an
error by this Labour led government - not once. And there have been dozens of
them.
Error by Labour acknowledged above - if there had been no error there
would have been nothing to correct
Well done, a first for you.
Post by Rich80105
Post by Tony
Your bias, not mine.
I am not biased towards National and never have been. But I am biased against
an incompetent government led by someone who treats us like kindergarten
children.
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