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Tony
2020-02-13 23:17:36 UTC
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https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/103624/peter-dunne-says-while-labour-talks-big-about-transparency-and-accountability-it
Not a bad summary.
Weak governance by Labour.
Crash
2020-02-14 04:52:28 UTC
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On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 17:17:36 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/103624/peter-dunne-says-while-labour-talks-big-about-transparency-and-accountability-it
Not a bad summary.
Weak governance by Labour.
I agree, and I also agree with almost everything that Peter Dunne
says. It is a well-argued article that those of us who are
politically neutral will find to be of interest.


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Crash McBash
Rich80105
2020-02-14 06:35:06 UTC
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Post by Crash
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 17:17:36 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/103624/peter-dunne-says-while-labour-talks-big-about-transparency-and-accountability-it
Not a bad summary.
Weak governance by Labour.
I agree, and I also agree with almost everything that Peter Dunne
says. It is a well-argued article that those of us who are
politically neutral will find to be of interest.
I agree with the Subject - yes there is some truth in the Heading for
the article..

Some is however essentially bullshit. Much is made of Victoria
University's intransigence regarding its change of name. The problem
is that, by design, Miniserial power does not extend tot he detail of
a lot of things, and operational decisions and marketing expenses by
universities is not one of them. Yes the Vice-Chancellor has been
stupid, but that is not unknown in many large organisations. VUW does
in fact spend a large amount of money trying to attract overseas
students - in general universities do form part of the reason why
rents have risen so sharply in many cities, but it does raise money
indepentently of government. Dunne claims that the Minister has stood
by quietly - but has no suggestions for what he should have done.
Threaten government funding? No it is nothing to do with academic
freedom (where he gets that strange idea fom is not stated), but to do
with organisational independence from political interference. I
suspect Dunne is in a dream world of National party authoritarianism
where to think that mafia-like tactics were possible was actively
encouraged while in practice not much happened.

Overall, the article features the ravings of a disappointed acolyte
for parst authoritarianism - the current government is much more
inclined to only intervene in areas where it has real authority . . .

What Dunne misses is the failure of this government to have moved
quickly enough to force government departments and local authorities
to progress a more open society through Freedom of Information - a
major issue relating to transparency and accountability which Dunnes
raises int he heading and then ignores. I appreciate it takes time to
reverse the exxessive secrecy encouraged by the previous government
(John Key proudly said that his government did not comply with the
act), but the public service needs to embrace the spirit of that
legislation.

Poor Peter Dunne - he is now an irrelevancy.
Tony
2020-02-14 20:05:51 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 17:17:36 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/103624/peter-dunne-says-while-labour-talks-big-about-transparency-and-accountability-it
Not a bad summary.
Weak governance by Labour.
I agree, and I also agree with almost everything that Peter Dunne
says. It is a well-argued article that those of us who are
politically neutral will find to be of interest.
I agree with the Subject - yes there is some truth in the Heading for
the article..
Some is however essentially bullshit. Much is made of Victoria
University's intransigence regarding its change of name. The problem
is that, by design, Miniserial power does not extend tot he detail of
a lot of things, and operational decisions and marketing expenses by
universities is not one of them. Yes the Vice-Chancellor has been
stupid, but that is not unknown in many large organisations. VUW does
in fact spend a large amount of money trying to attract overseas
students - in general universities do form part of the reason why
rents have risen so sharply in many cities, but it does raise money
indepentently of government. Dunne claims that the Minister has stood
by quietly - but has no suggestions for what he should have done.
Threaten government funding? No it is nothing to do with academic
freedom (where he gets that strange idea fom is not stated), but to do
with organisational independence from political interference. I
suspect Dunne is in a dream world of National party authoritarianism
where to think that mafia-like tactics were possible was actively
encouraged while in practice not much happened.
Speaking of bullshit, what you have written above is classical bullshit. The
minister has every right, even an obligation to ensure that public money is not
wasted. He should call inthe Chancellor.
You sadi he had no ideas about what can be done, read it again, he ics
perfectly clear.
Post by Rich80105
Overall, the article features the ravings of a disappointed acolyte
for parst authoritarianism - the current government is much more
inclined to only intervene in areas where it has real authority.
You are not describing Peter Dunne who is as you know an ex Labour MP who saw
the light.
You are describing an imaginary friend.
Post by Rich80105
What Dunne misses is the failure of this government to have moved
quickly enough to force government departments and local authorities
to progress a more open society through Freedom of Information - a
major issue relating to transparency and accountability which Dunnes
raises int he heading and then ignores. I appreciate it takes time to
reverse the exxessive secrecy encouraged by the previous government
(John Key proudly said that his government did not comply with the
act), but the public service needs to embrace the spirit of that
legislation.
This is about this minister and this government who have done nothing of
substance in any of the areas that Dunne covered..
Post by Rich80105
Poor Peter Dunne - he is now an irrelevancy.
As are you. Have you ever met Peter Dunne? If you had you would be bitterly
ashamed of what you have posted here.
He is someone who actually cares about this country unlike you.
Your vitriol and vindictiveness know no bounds.
John Bowes
2020-02-15 02:04:08 UTC
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Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 17:17:36 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/103624/peter-dunne-says-while-labour-talks-big-about-transparency-and-accountability-it
Not a bad summary.
Weak governance by Labour.
I agree, and I also agree with almost everything that Peter Dunne
says. It is a well-argued article that those of us who are
politically neutral will find to be of interest.
I agree with the Subject - yes there is some truth in the Heading for
the article..
Some is however essentially bullshit. Much is made of Victoria
University's intransigence regarding its change of name. The problem
is that, by design, Miniserial power does not extend tot he detail of
a lot of things, and operational decisions and marketing expenses by
universities is not one of them. Yes the Vice-Chancellor has been
stupid, but that is not unknown in many large organisations. VUW does
in fact spend a large amount of money trying to attract overseas
students - in general universities do form part of the reason why
rents have risen so sharply in many cities, but it does raise money
indepentently of government. Dunne claims that the Minister has stood
by quietly - but has no suggestions for what he should have done.
Threaten government funding? No it is nothing to do with academic
freedom (where he gets that strange idea fom is not stated), but to do
with organisational independence from political interference. I
suspect Dunne is in a dream world of National party authoritarianism
where to think that mafia-like tactics were possible was actively
encouraged while in practice not much happened.
Speaking of bullshit, what you have written above is classical bullshit. The
minister has every right, even an obligation to ensure that public money is not
wasted. He should call inthe Chancellor.
You sadi he had no ideas about what can be done, read it again, he ics
perfectly clear.
Post by Rich80105
Overall, the article features the ravings of a disappointed acolyte
for parst authoritarianism - the current government is much more
inclined to only intervene in areas where it has real authority.
You are not describing Peter Dunne who is as you know an ex Labour MP who saw
the light.
You are describing an imaginary friend.
Rich can never forgive Dunne because he saw the light and ditched the Marxist Muppets Rich in his ignorance blindly supports!
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
What Dunne misses is the failure of this government to have moved
quickly enough to force government departments and local authorities
to progress a more open society through Freedom of Information - a
major issue relating to transparency and accountability which Dunnes
raises int he heading and then ignores. I appreciate it takes time to
reverse the exxessive secrecy encouraged by the previous government
(John Key proudly said that his government did not comply with the
act), but the public service needs to embrace the spirit of that
legislation.
This is about this minister and this government who have done nothing of
substance in any of the areas that Dunne covered..
Post by Rich80105
Poor Peter Dunne - he is now an irrelevancy.
As are you. Have you ever met Peter Dunne? If you had you would be bitterly
ashamed of what you have posted here.
He is someone who actually cares about this country unlike you.
Your vitriol and vindictiveness know no bounds.
Crash
2020-02-15 05:08:49 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 14:05:51 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 17:17:36 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/103624/peter-dunne-says-while-labour-talks-big-about-transparency-and-accountability-it
Not a bad summary.
Weak governance by Labour.
I agree, and I also agree with almost everything that Peter Dunne
says. It is a well-argued article that those of us who are
politically neutral will find to be of interest.
I agree with the Subject - yes there is some truth in the Heading for
the article..
Some is however essentially bullshit. Much is made of Victoria
University's intransigence regarding its change of name. The problem
is that, by design, Miniserial power does not extend tot he detail of
a lot of things, and operational decisions and marketing expenses by
universities is not one of them. Yes the Vice-Chancellor has been
stupid, but that is not unknown in many large organisations. VUW does
in fact spend a large amount of money trying to attract overseas
students - in general universities do form part of the reason why
rents have risen so sharply in many cities, but it does raise money
indepentently of government. Dunne claims that the Minister has stood
by quietly - but has no suggestions for what he should have done.
Threaten government funding? No it is nothing to do with academic
freedom (where he gets that strange idea fom is not stated), but to do
with organisational independence from political interference. I
suspect Dunne is in a dream world of National party authoritarianism
where to think that mafia-like tactics were possible was actively
encouraged while in practice not much happened.
Speaking of bullshit, what you have written above is classical bullshit. The
minister has every right, even an obligation to ensure that public money is not
wasted. He should call inthe Chancellor.
I would have used the word 'summon'.
Post by Tony
You sadi he had no ideas about what can be done, read it again, he ics
perfectly clear.
This is exactly what Peter Dunne suggested should be done now to bring
an end to a controversial change that the Government has decided
against..
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
Overall, the article features the ravings of a disappointed acolyte
for parst authoritarianism - the current government is much more
inclined to only intervene in areas where it has real authority.
You are not describing Peter Dunne who is as you know an ex Labour MP who saw
the light.
You are describing an imaginary friend.
Rich resorts to insulting the author again. As you say Tony, Dunne
was originally Labour. After he left Labour he remained an electorate
MP for several decades - a feat not even Winston could achieve.
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
What Dunne misses is the failure of this government to have moved
quickly enough to force government departments and local authorities
to progress a more open society through Freedom of Information - a
major issue relating to transparency and accountability which Dunnes
raises int he heading and then ignores. I appreciate it takes time to
reverse the exxessive secrecy encouraged by the previous government
(John Key proudly said that his government did not comply with the
act), but the public service needs to embrace the spirit of that
legislation.
This is about this minister and this government who have done nothing of
substance in any of the areas that Dunne covered..
Post by Rich80105
Poor Peter Dunne - he is now an irrelevancy.
As are you. Have you ever met Peter Dunne? If you had you would be bitterly
ashamed of what you have posted here.
He is someone who actually cares about this country unlike you.
Your vitriol and vindictiveness know no bounds.
Agreed. When will Rich realise that when he resorts to this he reveals
that he is admitting he cannot reasonably continue to logically
sustain his viewpoint.

Dunne is indeed a political irrelevancy. However he is well-qualified
as a past Labour Minister in the Lange led government of 1987-1990 and
various ministerial posts up until retirement, to comment on how
Ministers can act.


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Crash McBash

James Christophers
2020-02-14 22:05:03 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 17:17:36 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/103624/peter-dunne-says-while-labour-talks-big-about-transparency-and-accountability-it
Not a bad summary.
Weak governance by Labour.
I agree, and I also agree with almost everything that Peter Dunne
says. It is a well-argued article that those of us who are
politically neutral will find to be of interest.
I agree with the Subject - yes there is some truth in the Heading for
the article..
Some is however essentially bullshit. Much is made of Victoria
University's intransigence regarding its change of name. The problem
is that, by design, Miniserial power does not extend tot he detail of
a lot of things, and operational decisions and marketing expenses by
universities is not one of them. Yes the Vice-Chancellor has been
stupid, but that is not unknown in many large organisations. VUW does
in fact spend a large amount of money trying to attract overseas
students - in general universities do form part of the reason why
rents have risen so sharply in many cities, but it does raise money
indepentently of government. Dunne claims that the Minister has stood
by quietly - but has no suggestions for what he should have done.
Threaten government funding? No it is nothing to do with academic
freedom (where he gets that strange idea fom is not stated), but to do
with organisational independence from political interference. I
suspect Dunne is in a dream world of National party authoritarianism
where to think that mafia-like tactics were possible was actively
encouraged while in practice not much happened.
Overall, the article features the ravings of a disappointed acolyte
for parst authoritarianism - the current government is much more
inclined to only intervene in areas where it has real authority . . .
What Dunne misses is the failure of this government to have moved
quickly enough to force government departments and local authorities
to progress a more open society through Freedom of Information - a
major issue relating to transparency and accountability which Dunnes
raises int he heading and then ignores. I appreciate it takes time to
reverse the exxessive secrecy encouraged by the previous government
(John Key proudly said that his government did not comply with the
act), but the public service needs to embrace the spirit of that
legislation.
Poor Peter Dunne - he is now an irrelevancy.
So you say, but that is down more to a compliant superficiality of both politician and voter alike. After all, as a sports-drugged nation, bread and circuses are what it's all about, surely? Again, when was the last time a New Zealand coroner's verdict reported that, "The deceased died from an excess of intellectual stimulus"?

Dunne’s article reflects the intellectual's admirable tendency to a sober, reasoning neutrality (albeit suggestively conservative with a small ‘t’); a quiet voice in the general cacophony of combative politicking which, at times, reaches into the realms of the gratuitously nasty and mendacious solely for the sake of nothing but crude point-scoring.

Dunne has been under-appreciated and under-deployed more often than not when his intuitive strengths and deeper insights could have exerted much more influence on this country’s advancement than I think most people realise. In the terse stridency of a drive-by sound-bite world, it’s the decibels that count.[1] This when both politicians and voters of every persuasion opt for an ‘all mouth and no trousers’ rhetoric and hubris over more considered and calibrated opinions - as given in the article currently under discussion.

To me, Dunne has sometimes come over as unapproachable, sullen and retentitve, these less than amenable qualities having always belied what I think has always been his true worth.

More’s the pity.

[1] As to 'terse stridency':

Switch over to MSNBC and its rival Fox News to hear artificial augmentation of the message. Listen very closely: what you'll hear is a form of distortion - yes stridency - being electronically generated with what is known in audio engineering as 'gating' and 'limiting' with realtime psycho-acoustic algorithms applied to the signal - particularly to chest-voice resonances - to 'project' the voice with an artificial weight and impact, giving it fist-force and authority. You'll hear the same thing going on 24/7 on Newstalk ZB et al, and also on every local TV newscast and other similar material. Trouble is, with the shallow "Kiwi twang" predominating, rather than elegantly enhance we've ended up with barking men and quacking women. For me a total turn-off.

This is what the 'magic of digital' has brought us - yet another stick with which today's world has chosen to beat itself. It all started way back in the early 70's, punching out TV and radio commercials. Each was trying to top the next as a way of boosting their hard-sell propaganda, nowadays to the KFC-and-Tui slump-gut viewer already rendered insensate by such consciousness-elevating material as The Block, Married at First Sight and Survivor, not to mention, of course, Seven Sharp.

Some even call this 'progress'...
Tony
2020-02-14 22:34:26 UTC
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Post by James Christophers
Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 17:17:36 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Tony
https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/103624/peter-dunne-says-while-labour-talks-big-about-transparency-and-accountability-it
Not a bad summary.
Weak governance by Labour.
I agree, and I also agree with almost everything that Peter Dunne
says. It is a well-argued article that those of us who are
politically neutral will find to be of interest.
I agree with the Subject - yes there is some truth in the Heading for
the article..
Some is however essentially bullshit. Much is made of Victoria
University's intransigence regarding its change of name. The problem
is that, by design, Miniserial power does not extend tot he detail of
a lot of things, and operational decisions and marketing expenses by
universities is not one of them. Yes the Vice-Chancellor has been
stupid, but that is not unknown in many large organisations. VUW does
in fact spend a large amount of money trying to attract overseas
students - in general universities do form part of the reason why
rents have risen so sharply in many cities, but it does raise money
indepentently of government. Dunne claims that the Minister has stood
by quietly - but has no suggestions for what he should have done.
Threaten government funding? No it is nothing to do with academic
freedom (where he gets that strange idea fom is not stated), but to do
with organisational independence from political interference. I
suspect Dunne is in a dream world of National party authoritarianism
where to think that mafia-like tactics were possible was actively
encouraged while in practice not much happened.
Overall, the article features the ravings of a disappointed acolyte
for parst authoritarianism - the current government is much more
inclined to only intervene in areas where it has real authority . . .
What Dunne misses is the failure of this government to have moved
quickly enough to force government departments and local authorities
to progress a more open society through Freedom of Information - a
major issue relating to transparency and accountability which Dunnes
raises int he heading and then ignores. I appreciate it takes time to
reverse the exxessive secrecy encouraged by the previous government
(John Key proudly said that his government did not comply with the
act), but the public service needs to embrace the spirit of that
legislation.
Poor Peter Dunne - he is now an irrelevancy.
So you say, but that is down more to a compliant superficiality of both
politician and voter alike. After all, as a sports-drugged nation, bread and
circuses are what it's all about, surely? Again, when was the last time a New
Zealand coroner's verdict reported that, "The deceased died from an excess of
intellectual stimulus"?
Dunne’s article reflects the intellectual's admirable tendency to a sober,
reasoning neutrality (albeit suggestively conservative with a small ‘t’); a
quiet voice in the general cacophony of combative politicking which, at times,
reaches into the realms of the gratuitously nasty and mendacious solely for the
sake of nothing but crude point-scoring.
Dunne has been under-appreciated and under-deployed more often than not when
his intuitive strengths and deeper insights could have exerted much more
influence on this country’s advancement than I think most people realise. In
the terse stridency of a drive-by sound-bite world, it’s the decibels that
count.[1] This when both politicians and voters of every persuasion opt for an
‘all mouth and no trousers’ rhetoric and hubris over more considered and
calibrated opinions - as given in the article currently under discussion.
To me, Dunne has sometimes come over as unapproachable, sullen and retentitve,
these less than amenable qualities having always belied what I think has always
been his true worth.
You are, I believe, exactly right. Although I have found him easy to talk with.
I count him in the top 1 percent of politicians of all parties in the last 20
years or so, certainly with respect to his intellect and integrity. He has
never been my MP but I have spent some time with him and it was always
worthwhile. Too many people assume that someone's political beliefs tell us
what their character is. Dunne left Labour because he decided it was not up to
his high standards (that is my opinion, he never said that to me). It is
entirely possible that he felt the same way about other parties and therefore
started his own. It is a pity that vicious people cannot hold their thoughts,
but there it is they have freedom of speech, at least for the moment.
Post by James Christophers
More’s the pity.
Switch over to MSNBC and its rival Fox News to hear artificial augmentation of
the message. Listen very closely: what you'll hear is a form of distortion -
yes stridency - being electronically generated with what is known in audio
engineering as 'gating' and 'limiting' with realtime psycho-acoustic algorithms
applied to the signal - particularly to chest-voice resonances - to 'project'
the voice with an artificial weight and impact, giving it fist-force and
authority. You'll hear the same thing going on 24/7 on Newstalk ZB et al, and
also on every local TV newscast and other similar material. Trouble is, with
the shallow "Kiwi twang" predominating, rather than elegantly enhance we've
ended up with barking men and quacking women. For me a total turn-off.
This is what the 'magic of digital' has brought us - yet another stick with
which today's world has chosen to beat itself. It all started way back in the
early 70's, punching out TV and radio commercials. Each was trying to top the
next as a way of boosting their hard-sell propaganda, nowadays to the
KFC-and-Tui slump-gut viewer already rendered insensate by such
consciousness-elevating material as The Block, Married at First Sight and
Survivor, not to mention, of course, Seven Sharp.
Some even call this 'progress'...
HitAnyKey
2020-02-14 23:06:08 UTC
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Post by James Christophers
Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 17:17:36 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/103624/peter-dunne-says-while-
labour-talks-big-about-transparency-and-accountability-it
Post by James Christophers
Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
Post by Tony
Not a bad summary.
Weak governance by Labour.
I agree, and I also agree with almost everything that Peter Dunne
says. It is a well-argued article that those of us who are
politically neutral will find to be of interest.
I agree with the Subject - yes there is some truth in the Heading for
the article..
Some is however essentially bullshit. Much is made of Victoria
University's intransigence regarding its change of name. The problem is
that, by design, Miniserial power does not extend tot he detail of a
lot of things, and operational decisions and marketing expenses by
universities is not one of them. Yes the Vice-Chancellor has been
stupid, but that is not unknown in many large organisations. VUW does
in fact spend a large amount of money trying to attract overseas
students - in general universities do form part of the reason why rents
have risen so sharply in many cities, but it does raise money
indepentently of government. Dunne claims that the Minister has stood
by quietly - but has no suggestions for what he should have done.
Threaten government funding? No it is nothing to do with academic
freedom (where he gets that strange idea fom is not stated), but to do
with organisational independence from political interference. I suspect
Dunne is in a dream world of National party authoritarianism where to
think that mafia-like tactics were possible was actively encouraged
while in practice not much happened.
Overall, the article features the ravings of a disappointed acolyte for
parst authoritarianism - the current government is much more inclined
to only intervene in areas where it has real authority . . .
What Dunne misses is the failure of this government to have moved
quickly enough to force government departments and local authorities to
progress a more open society through Freedom of Information - a major
issue relating to transparency and accountability which Dunnes raises
int he heading and then ignores. I appreciate it takes time to reverse
the exxessive secrecy encouraged by the previous government (John Key
proudly said that his government did not comply with the act), but the
public service needs to embrace the spirit of that legislation.
Poor Peter Dunne - he is now an irrelevancy.
So you say, but that is down more to a compliant superficiality of both
politician and voter alike. After all, as a sports-drugged nation, bread
and circuses are what it's all about, surely? Again, when was the last
time a New Zealand coroner's verdict reported that, "The deceased died
from an excess of intellectual stimulus"?
Dunne’s article reflects the intellectual's admirable tendency to a
sober, reasoning neutrality (albeit suggestively conservative with a
small ‘t’); a quiet voice in the general cacophony of combative
politicking which, at times, reaches into the realms of the gratuitously
nasty and mendacious solely for the sake of nothing but crude
point-scoring.
Dunne has been under-appreciated and under-deployed more often than not
when his intuitive strengths and deeper insights could have exerted much
more influence on this country’s advancement than I think most people
realise. In the terse stridency of a drive-by sound-bite world, it’s
the decibels that count.[1] This when both politicians and voters of
every persuasion opt for an ‘all mouth and no trousers’ rhetoric and
hubris over more considered and calibrated opinions - as given in the
article currently under discussion.
To me, Dunne has sometimes come over as unapproachable, sullen and
retentitve, these less than amenable qualities having always belied what
I think has always been his true worth.
On the contrary; one of his most - perhaps the most - distinguishing
characteristics was his approachability and his willingness to hear you
out. More, having done so, he had the knack of leaving you convinced
that he'd actually listened, which is a rare gift among politicians.
Post by James Christophers
More’s the pity.
Switch over to MSNBC and its rival Fox News to hear artificial
augmentation of the message. Listen very closely: what you'll hear is a
form of distortion - yes stridency - being electronically generated with
what is known in audio engineering as 'gating' and 'limiting' with
realtime psycho-acoustic algorithms applied to the signal - particularly
to chest-voice resonances - to 'project' the voice with an artificial
weight and impact, giving it fist-force and authority. You'll hear the
same thing going on 24/7 on Newstalk ZB et al, and also on every local
TV newscast and other similar material. Trouble is, with the shallow
"Kiwi twang" predominating, rather than elegantly enhance we've ended up
with barking men and quacking women. For me a total turn-off.
This is what the 'magic of digital' has brought us - yet another stick
with which today's world has chosen to beat itself. It all started way
back in the early 70's, punching out TV and radio commercials. Each was
trying to top the next as a way of boosting their hard-sell propaganda,
nowadays to the KFC-and-Tui slump-gut viewer already rendered insensate
by such consciousness-elevating material as The Block, Married at First
Sight and Survivor, not to mention, of course, Seven Sharp.
Some even call this 'progress'...
James Christophers
2020-02-15 00:19:11 UTC
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Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 17:17:36 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/103624/peter-dunne-says-while-
labour-talks-big-about-transparency-and-accountability-it
Post by James Christophers
Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
Post by Tony
Not a bad summary.
Weak governance by Labour.
I agree, and I also agree with almost everything that Peter Dunne
says. It is a well-argued article that those of us who are
politically neutral will find to be of interest.
I agree with the Subject - yes there is some truth in the Heading for
the article..
Some is however essentially bullshit. Much is made of Victoria
University's intransigence regarding its change of name. The problem is
that, by design, Miniserial power does not extend tot he detail of a
lot of things, and operational decisions and marketing expenses by
universities is not one of them. Yes the Vice-Chancellor has been
stupid, but that is not unknown in many large organisations. VUW does
in fact spend a large amount of money trying to attract overseas
students - in general universities do form part of the reason why rents
have risen so sharply in many cities, but it does raise money
indepentently of government. Dunne claims that the Minister has stood
by quietly - but has no suggestions for what he should have done.
Threaten government funding? No it is nothing to do with academic
freedom (where he gets that strange idea fom is not stated), but to do
with organisational independence from political interference. I suspect
Dunne is in a dream world of National party authoritarianism where to
think that mafia-like tactics were possible was actively encouraged
while in practice not much happened.
Overall, the article features the ravings of a disappointed acolyte for
parst authoritarianism - the current government is much more inclined
to only intervene in areas where it has real authority . . .
What Dunne misses is the failure of this government to have moved
quickly enough to force government departments and local authorities to
progress a more open society through Freedom of Information - a major
issue relating to transparency and accountability which Dunnes raises
int he heading and then ignores. I appreciate it takes time to reverse
the exxessive secrecy encouraged by the previous government (John Key
proudly said that his government did not comply with the act), but the
public service needs to embrace the spirit of that legislation.
Poor Peter Dunne - he is now an irrelevancy.
So you say, but that is down more to a compliant superficiality of both
politician and voter alike. After all, as a sports-drugged nation, bread
and circuses are what it's all about, surely? Again, when was the last
time a New Zealand coroner's verdict reported that, "The deceased died
from an excess of intellectual stimulus"?
Dunne’s article reflects the intellectual's admirable tendency to a
sober, reasoning neutrality (albeit suggestively conservative with a
small ‘t’); a quiet voice in the general cacophony of combative
politicking which, at times, reaches into the realms of the gratuitously
nasty and mendacious solely for the sake of nothing but crude
point-scoring.
Dunne has been under-appreciated and under-deployed more often than not
when his intuitive strengths and deeper insights could have exerted much
more influence on this country’s advancement than I think most people
realise. In the terse stridency of a drive-by sound-bite world, it’s
the decibels that count.[1] This when both politicians and voters of
every persuasion opt for an ‘all mouth and no trousers’ rhetoric and
hubris over more considered and calibrated opinions - as given in the
article currently under discussion.
To me, Dunne has sometimes come over as unapproachable, sullen and
retentitve, these less than amenable qualities having always belied what
I think has always been his true worth.
On the contrary; one of his most - perhaps the most - distinguishing
characteristics was his approachability and his willingness to hear you
out. More, having done so, he had the knack of leaving you convinced
that he'd actually listened, which is a rare gift among politicians.
I'll willingly yield to that. What I was recalling from years ago was that sometimes from a distance his persona could appear not so much aloof as perhaps a little detached, his at-rest expression relaxed into the faintest suggestion of a frown or a scowl (for want of a better way of putting it). Many people do this during moments of contemplation which doubtless he did plenty lot of. This clicked over to a 'warmth' the moment one engaged with him on a matter of substance, as I discovered in a brief and once-only non-political encounter with him.

Again, it goes without saying that while every politician is still in a 24/7 job when off-duty, the more easily distinguished also need to find and deploy subtle ways of limiting their eye-contact when out in public, or they'd never have a moment's relief or repose to themselves.
Post by Tony
Post by James Christophers
More’s the pity.
Switch over to MSNBC and its rival Fox News to hear artificial
augmentation of the message. Listen very closely: what you'll hear is a
form of distortion - yes stridency - being electronically generated with
what is known in audio engineering as 'gating' and 'limiting' with
realtime psycho-acoustic algorithms applied to the signal - particularly
to chest-voice resonances - to 'project' the voice with an artificial
weight and impact, giving it fist-force and authority. You'll hear the
same thing going on 24/7 on Newstalk ZB et al, and also on every local
TV newscast and other similar material. Trouble is, with the shallow
"Kiwi twang" predominating, rather than elegantly enhance we've ended up
with barking men and quacking women. For me a total turn-off.
This is what the 'magic of digital' has brought us - yet another stick
with which today's world has chosen to beat itself. It all started way
back in the early 70's, punching out TV and radio commercials. Each was
trying to top the next as a way of boosting their hard-sell propaganda,
nowadays to the KFC-and-Tui slump-gut viewer already rendered insensate
by such consciousness-elevating material as The Block, Married at First
Sight and Survivor, not to mention, of course, Seven Sharp.
Some even call this 'progress'...
John Bowes
2020-02-15 02:01:35 UTC
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Post by Crash
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 17:17:36 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/103624/peter-dunne-says-while-labour-talks-big-about-transparency-and-accountability-it
Not a bad summary.
Weak governance by Labour.
I agree, and I also agree with almost everything that Peter Dunne
says. It is a well-argued article that those of us who are
politically neutral will find to be of interest.
< essential bullshit snipped>
Post by Rich80105
Poor Peter Dunne - he is now an irrelevancy.
As is Rich Helen Clark.Though unlike dunne she's just another Marxist Muppet hell bent on supporting an ever more corrupt government that is quite happy to destroy New Zealand in the name of a failed political agenda!
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