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Rich80105
2021-01-17 19:14:31 UTC
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https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2021/01/08/what-happened/

Whether much of this is true remains to be seen. Certainly some of it
is true, but what also comes through is the clear picture of
incompetence through many levels of the Republican Party. Blaming
Trump is easy - seeing the lack of ethics, the lack of understanding,
and the lack of any ability to moderate stupidity are a much greater
concern. This is the Republicans "Dirty Tricks" moment - when they
realise what has been going on behind there backs, when they were
deliberately not looking . . .
Nellie the Elephant
2021-01-17 19:39:00 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2021/01/08/what-happened/
Whether much of this is true remains to be seen. Certainly some of it
is true, but what also comes through is the clear picture of
incompetence through many levels of the Republican Party. Blaming
Trump is easy - seeing the lack of ethics, the lack of understanding,
and the lack of any ability to moderate stupidity are a much greater
concern. This is the Republicans "Dirty Tricks" moment - when they
realise what has been going on behind there backs, when they were
deliberately not looking . . .
Were you dropped on your head by a nurse when you were a baby? A nurse
that voted for National?
Or were you bulllied at school be a boy in a blue shirt.

Bottom line, why do you hate people who have right wing leanings so
passionately?
Remember many of them are responsible for providing jobs for the rest
of NZ.
John Bowes
2021-01-17 20:10:44 UTC
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Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2021/01/08/what-happened/
Whether much of this is true remains to be seen. Certainly some of it
is true, but what also comes through is the clear picture of
incompetence through many levels of the Republican Party. Blaming
Trump is easy - seeing the lack of ethics, the lack of understanding,
and the lack of any ability to moderate stupidity are a much greater
concern. This is the Republicans "Dirty Tricks" moment - when they
realise what has been going on behind there backs, when they were
deliberately not looking . . .
Were you dropped on your head by a nurse when you were a baby? A nurse
that voted for National?
Or were you bulllied at school be a boy in a blue shirt.
Bottom line, why do you hate people who have right wing leanings so
passionately?
Remember many of them are responsible for providing jobs for the rest
of NZ.
Rich is your typical Marxist muppet, incapable of recognising that marxism is just Totalitarianism writ large. His firs read was probably the Communist Manifesto......
James Christophers
2021-01-17 23:09:51 UTC
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Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2021/01/08/what-happened/
Whether much of this is true remains to be seen. Certainly some of it
is true, but what also comes through is the clear picture of
incompetence through many levels of the Republican Party. Blaming
Trump is easy - seeing the lack of ethics, the lack of understanding,
and the lack of any ability to moderate stupidity are a much greater
concern. This is the Republicans "Dirty Tricks" moment - when they
realise what has been going on behind there backs, when they were
deliberately not looking . . .
Were you dropped on your head by a nurse when you were a baby? A nurse
that voted for National?
Or were you bulllied at school be a boy in a blue shirt.
Bottom line, why do you hate people who have right wing leanings so
passionately?
Remember many of them are responsible for providing jobs for the rest
of NZ.
Rich is your typical Marxist muppet, incapable of recognising that marxism is just Totalitarianism writ large. His firs read was probably the Communist Manifesto......
An unsavoury comparison, of course, and one that will surely test your powers of analysis and persuasion, so here it is:

How more polarised and extreme are Rich's politics than your own?

You see, Rich is at least capable in his own way of rationalising and expanding on his views, whereas you seldom if ever are. So how do you explain such a chronic paucity of both thought and originality on your part, particularly as you are, and have always been, **the** archetypal cradle-to-grave child and beneficiary of the very socialism you so vehemently despise and disavow?
John Bowes
2021-01-18 02:48:18 UTC
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Post by John Bowes
Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2021/01/08/what-happened/
Whether much of this is true remains to be seen. Certainly some of it
is true, but what also comes through is the clear picture of
incompetence through many levels of the Republican Party. Blaming
Trump is easy - seeing the lack of ethics, the lack of understanding,
and the lack of any ability to moderate stupidity are a much greater
concern. This is the Republicans "Dirty Tricks" moment - when they
realise what has been going on behind there backs, when they were
deliberately not looking . . .
Were you dropped on your head by a nurse when you were a baby? A nurse
that voted for National?
Or were you bulllied at school be a boy in a blue shirt.
Bottom line, why do you hate people who have right wing leanings so
passionately?
Remember many of them are responsible for providing jobs for the rest
of NZ.
Rich is your typical Marxist muppet, incapable of recognising that marxism is just Totalitarianism writ large. His firs read was probably the Communist Manifesto......
How more polarised and extreme are Rich's politics than your own?
You see, Rich is at least capable in his own way of rationalising and expanding on his views, whereas you seldom if ever are. So how do you explain such a chronic paucity of both thought and originality on your part, particularly as you are, and have always been, **the** archetypal cradle-to-grave child and beneficiary of the very socialism you so vehemently despise and disavow?
BULLSHIT pure and simple Keith. Rich has the idea that debate involves repeating the same fake/biased news again and again till his detractors give up on getting any sense out of him and move to another thread. Much the same as happens to your posts!
btw don't have a problem with people being helped. Never have and never will! I DO have a problem with people who milk the system for all it's worth and those who claim socialism but are in reality followers of your great Karl Marx! Can you assure us YOU don't milk the system for all it's worth Keith/? Or do you only take the minimum?
I've also voted outside Rich's narrow Labour/Green voting record and have in the past have given Labour my party vote! I know you won't believe me but then I'd expect nothing less from a shyster/huckster like your hubris filled and semi educated self Keith.
James Christophers
2021-01-18 21:43:13 UTC
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Post by Nellie the Elephant
Post by Rich80105
https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2021/01/08/what-happened/
Whether much of this is true remains to be seen. Certainly some of it
is true, but what also comes through is the clear picture of
incompetence through many levels of the Republican Party. Blaming
Trump is easy - seeing the lack of ethics, the lack of understanding,
and the lack of any ability to moderate stupidity are a much greater
concern. This is the Republicans "Dirty Tricks" moment - when they
realise what has been going on behind there backs, when they were
deliberately not looking . . .
Were you dropped on your head by a nurse when you were a baby? A nurse
that voted for National?
Or were you bulllied at school be a boy in a blue shirt.
Bottom line, why do you hate people who have right wing leanings so
passionately?
Remember many of them are responsible for providing jobs for the rest
of NZ.
Rich is your typical Marxist muppet, incapable of recognising that marxism is just Totalitarianism writ large. His firs read was probably the Communist Manifesto......
How more polarised and extreme are Rich's politics than your own?
A simple enough question, don't you think, but one for which your right-up-there-in-lights zero powers of analysis are no match.
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
You see, Rich is at least capable in his own way of rationalising and expanding on his views, whereas you seldom if ever are. So how do you explain such a chronic paucity of both thought and originality on your part, particularly as you are, and have always been, **the** archetypal cradle-to-grave child and beneficiary of the very socialism you so vehemently despise and disavow?
BULLSHIT pure and simple Keith.
Nope, and you know it - so stop making shit up and just for once try to give an honest, sane, credible response to the perfectly fair and reasoned question that has been put to you.

(The rest of your para snipped, there being neither merit nor credit to be gained by reiterating such side-steppng claptrap in any post of mine.
Post by John Bowes
btw don't have a problem with people being helped. Never have and never will!
More side-stepping and also 100% irrelevant to what has been put to you.
Post by John Bowes
I DO have a problem with people who milk the system for all it's worth and those who claim socialism but are in reality followers of your great Karl Marx!
Side-step as you may, and however laudable you may think your absurdly pious conceits are, they remain 100% irrelevant and for the same reasons.
Post by John Bowes
Can you assure us YOU don't milk the system for all it's worth Keith/?
I certainly can but I shan't for the obvious reason that to respond in such a way to your transparent side-stepping would, again, not be relevant to the sorry truths you are now facing and that you clearly know and show you cannot in any way honestly refute.
Post by John Bowes
I've also voted outside Rich's narrow Labour/Green voting record
Wow! Clever old you! But, again, irrelevant to the hard facts presented to you against which you can never have any credible defence.
Post by John Bowes
and have in the past have given Labour my party vote! I know you won't believe me but then I'd expect nothing less from a shyster/huckster like your hubris filled and semi educated self Keith.
Yet more mewling sententiousness and unworthy impugning from you, it being yet again not only irrelevant to the sorry truths dealt you but also because -

(You are) "but a walking shadow, a poor player,
"That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
"And then is heard no more. It is a tale
"Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
"Signifying nothing." [WS - Macbeth]
John Bowes
2021-01-18 23:30:46 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2021/01/08/what-happened/
Whether much of this is true remains to be seen. Certainly some of it
is true, but what also comes through is the clear picture of
incompetence through many levels of the Republican Party. Blaming
Trump is easy - seeing the lack of ethics, the lack of understanding,
and the lack of any ability to moderate stupidity are a much greater
concern. This is the Republicans "Dirty Tricks" moment - when they
realise what has been going on behind there backs, when they were
deliberately not looking . . .
Were you dropped on your head by a nurse when you were a baby? A nurse
that voted for National?
Or were you bulllied at school be a boy in a blue shirt.
Bottom line, why do you hate people who have right wing leanings so
passionately?
Remember many of them are responsible for providing jobs for the rest
of NZ.
Rich is your typical Marxist muppet, incapable of recognising that marxism is just Totalitarianism writ large. His firs read was probably the Communist Manifesto......
How more polarised and extreme are Rich's politics than your own?
A simple enough question, don't you think, but one for which your right-up-there-in-lights zero powers of analysis are no match.
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
You see, Rich is at least capable in his own way of rationalising and expanding on his views, whereas you seldom if ever are. So how do you explain such a chronic paucity of both thought and originality on your part, particularly as you are, and have always been, **the** archetypal cradle-to-grave child and beneficiary of the very socialism you so vehemently despise and disavow?
BULLSHIT pure and simple Keith.
Nope, and you know it - so stop making shit up and just for once try to give an honest, sane, credible response to the perfectly fair and reasoned question that has been put to you.
Wrong again Keith. your comment was purely typical of your narrow minded attitude to those who disagree with you. You and Rich are twins when it comes to that!
Post by James Christophers
(The rest of your para snipped, there being neither merit nor credit to be gained by reiterating such side-steppng claptrap in any post of mine.
No you're only happy with your own clap trap and those who agree with you1
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Post by John Bowes
btw don't have a problem with people being helped. Never have and never will!
More side-stepping and also 100% irrelevant to what has been put to you.
Bullshit! Once again your fail in comprehension in persuit of some pointless point!
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
I DO have a problem with people who milk the system for all it's worth and those who claim socialism but are in reality followers of your great Karl Marx!
Side-step as you may, and however laudable you may think your absurdly pious conceits are, they remain 100% irrelevant and for the same reasons.
Much as your pious conceits Keith.
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
Can you assure us YOU don't milk the system for all it's worth Keith/?
I certainly can but I shan't for the obvious reason that to respond in such a way to your transparent side-stepping would, again, not be relevant to the sorry truths you are now facing and that you clearly know and show you cannot in any way honestly refute.
No side-step Keith. A direct question of the sort you ALWAYS avoid! I'm not facing sorry truths Keith. I'm following pathetic lies that only you are capable of.
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Post by John Bowes
I've also voted outside Rich's narrow Labour/Green voting record
Wow! Clever old you! But, again, irrelevant to the hard facts presented to you against which you can never have any credible defence.
Nothing to defend Keith!
Post by James Christophers
Post by John Bowes
and have in the past have given Labour my party vote! I know you won't believe me but then I'd expect nothing less from a shyster/huckster like your hubris filled and semi educated self Keith.
Yet more mewling sententiousness and unworthy impugning from you, it being yet again not only irrelevant to the sorry truths dealt you but also because -
Nope. Just responding to the crap you disguise with over wordy stupidity!
Post by James Christophers
(You are) "but a walking shadow, a poor player,
"That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
"And then is heard no more. It is a tale
"Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
"Signifying nothing." [WS - Macbeth]
A perfect description of you Keith. Funny how like Rich you are very good at seeing your own many failings in others but not in yourself! Typical of semi educated fools of your ilk!
James Christophers
2021-01-19 00:17:49 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2021/01/08/what-happened/
Whether much of this is true remains to be seen. Certainly some of it
is true, but what also comes through is the clear picture of
incompetence through many levels of the Republican Party. Blaming
Trump is easy - seeing the lack of ethics, the lack of understanding,
and the lack of any ability to moderate stupidity are a much greater
concern. This is the Republicans "Dirty Tricks" moment - when they
realise what has been going on behind there backs, when they were
deliberately not looking . . .
Were you dropped on your head by a nurse when you were a baby? A nurse
that voted for National?
Or were you bulllied at school be a boy in a blue shirt.
Bottom line, why do you hate people who have right wing leanings so
passionately?
Remember many of them are responsible for providing jobs for the rest
of NZ.
Rich is your typical Marxist muppet, incapable of recognising that marxism is just Totalitarianism writ large. His firs read was probably the Communist Manifesto......
How more polarised and extreme are Rich's politics than your own?
A simple enough question, don't you think, but one for which your right-up-there-in-lights zero powers of analysis are no match.
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
You see, Rich is at least capable in his own way of rationalising and expanding on his views, whereas you seldom if ever are. So how do you explain such a chronic paucity of both thought and originality on your part, particularly as you are, and have always been, **the** archetypal cradle-to-grave child and beneficiary of the very socialism you so vehemently despise and disavow?
BULLSHIT pure and simple Keith.
Nope, and you know it - so stop making shit up and just for once try to give an honest, sane, credible response to the perfectly fair and reasoned question that has been put to you.
Wrong again Keith.
Which further wilful, transparent lie in the face of an incontrovertible truth confirms you are as dishonest and deluded as you are demented.

End of story.
John Bowes
2021-01-19 21:49:35 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2021/01/08/what-happened/
Whether much of this is true remains to be seen. Certainly some of it
is true, but what also comes through is the clear picture of
incompetence through many levels of the Republican Party. Blaming
Trump is easy - seeing the lack of ethics, the lack of understanding,
and the lack of any ability to moderate stupidity are a much greater
concern. This is the Republicans "Dirty Tricks" moment - when they
realise what has been going on behind there backs, when they were
deliberately not looking . . .
Were you dropped on your head by a nurse when you were a baby? A nurse
that voted for National?
Or were you bulllied at school be a boy in a blue shirt.
Bottom line, why do you hate people who have right wing leanings so
passionately?
Remember many of them are responsible for providing jobs for the rest
of NZ.
Rich is your typical Marxist muppet, incapable of recognising that marxism is just Totalitarianism writ large. His firs read was probably the Communist Manifesto......
How more polarised and extreme are Rich's politics than your own?
A simple enough question, don't you think, but one for which your right-up-there-in-lights zero powers of analysis are no match.
Post by John Bowes
Post by James Christophers
You see, Rich is at least capable in his own way of rationalising and expanding on his views, whereas you seldom if ever are. So how do you explain such a chronic paucity of both thought and originality on your part, particularly as you are, and have always been, **the** archetypal cradle-to-grave child and beneficiary of the very socialism you so vehemently despise and disavow?
BULLSHIT pure and simple Keith.
Nope, and you know it - so stop making shit up and just for once try to give an honest, sane, credible response to the perfectly fair and reasoned question that has been put to you.
Wrong again Keith.
Which further wilful, transparent lie in the face of an incontrovertible truth confirms you are as dishonest and deluded as you are demented.
End of story.
It was only ever a fairy story from you Keith in defence of the undefendable once again!
Gordon
2021-01-18 07:14:37 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2021/01/08/what-happened/
Whether much of this is true remains to be seen. Certainly some of it
is true, but what also comes through is the clear picture of
incompetence through many levels of the Republican Party. Blaming
Trump is easy - seeing the lack of ethics, the lack of understanding,
and the lack of any ability to moderate stupidity are a much greater
concern. This is the Republicans "Dirty Tricks" moment - when they
realise what has been going on behind there backs, when they were
deliberately not looking . . .
Strange, but the media has this point of view that some GOP members know
what is going on, know what they should do and then bury their head in the
sand.

Of course if things are not so divided it is possible for people of opposite
side to have a discussion and then cut a deal, as they say. Compromise.
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