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John Bowes
2020-03-09 21:55:42 UTC
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So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618 waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to achieve shit!
Tony
2020-03-10 03:51:26 UTC
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
Rich80105
2020-03-10 04:33:33 UTC
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On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:51:26 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
Yes of course.
The outrage that National had until only weeks before that denied
there was a housing crisis at all.
The outrage that National had until weeks before that sold off a lot
of State Houses - some of them on large sections which were bought and
multiple dwellings converted to single privately owned dwellings
The outrage that National were lending people money to move to a motel
and were deducting repayments from benefit payments
The outrage that National had facilitated short term profits on
undeveloped land by creating special housing areas where the owner was
able to do nothing and still profit from the zoning
The outrage that National blamed local authorities for the pressure on
housing through high immigration
The outrage that National refused to help local authorities fund
infrastructure services for new developments because the government
priority was using debt to fund tax cuts and vanity projects

Yes, the outrage was well deserved - well done on prompting a recall
of how bad the last government was, Tony.
Tony
2020-03-10 04:47:22 UTC
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On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:51:26 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
Yes of course.
The outrage that National had until only weeks before that denied
there was a housing crisis at all.
The outrage that National had until weeks before that sold off a lot
of State Houses - some of them on large sections which were bought and
multiple dwellings converted to single privately owned dwellings
The outrage that National were lending people money to move to a motel
and were deducting repayments from benefit payments
The outrage that National had facilitated short term profits on
undeveloped land by creating special housing areas where the owner was
able to do nothing and still profit from the zoning
The outrage that National blamed local authorities for the pressure on
housing through high immigration
The outrage that National refused to help local authorities fund
infrastructure services for new developments because the government
priority was using debt to fund tax cuts and vanity projects
Yes, the outrage was well deserved - well done on prompting a recall
of how bad the last government was, Tony.
Your sarcasm is the retreat of a defenseless mind.
The point is, so that you can ponder on it, that there was outrage by the then
opposition about a government trying to help people.
That is all of value - everything else is rhetoric.
Rich80105
2020-03-10 04:50:24 UTC
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On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 23:47:22 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:51:26 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
Yes of course.
The outrage that National had until only weeks before that denied
there was a housing crisis at all.
The outrage that National had until weeks before that sold off a lot
of State Houses - some of them on large sections which were bought and
multiple dwellings converted to single privately owned dwellings
The outrage that National were lending people money to move to a motel
and were deducting repayments from benefit payments
The outrage that National had facilitated short term profits on
undeveloped land by creating special housing areas where the owner was
able to do nothing and still profit from the zoning
The outrage that National blamed local authorities for the pressure on
housing through high immigration
The outrage that National refused to help local authorities fund
infrastructure services for new developments because the government
priority was using debt to fund tax cuts and vanity projects
Yes, the outrage was well deserved - well done on prompting a recall
of how bad the last government was, Tony.
Your sarcasm is the retreat of a defenseless mind.
The point is, so that you can ponder on it, that there was outrage by the then
opposition about a government trying to help people.
That is all of value - everything else is rhetoric.
I saw no outrage at the government "trying to help" by using motels,
Tony - there was outrage that the situation got to that stage before
the government tried anything else!
Tony
2020-03-10 05:17:02 UTC
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On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 23:47:22 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:51:26 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
Yes of course.
The outrage that National had until only weeks before that denied
there was a housing crisis at all.
The outrage that National had until weeks before that sold off a lot
of State Houses - some of them on large sections which were bought and
multiple dwellings converted to single privately owned dwellings
The outrage that National were lending people money to move to a motel
and were deducting repayments from benefit payments
The outrage that National had facilitated short term profits on
undeveloped land by creating special housing areas where the owner was
able to do nothing and still profit from the zoning
The outrage that National blamed local authorities for the pressure on
housing through high immigration
The outrage that National refused to help local authorities fund
infrastructure services for new developments because the government
priority was using debt to fund tax cuts and vanity projects
Yes, the outrage was well deserved - well done on prompting a recall
of how bad the last government was, Tony.
Your sarcasm is the retreat of a defenseless mind.
The point is, so that you can ponder on it, that there was outrage by the then
opposition about a government trying to help people.
That is all of value - everything else is rhetoric.
I saw no outrage at the government "trying to help" by using motels,
Tony - there was outrage that the situation got to that stage before
the government tried anything else!
Well you did not read the reports or watch the news or you deliberately ignored
it.
There was outrage by you specifically and many of your fellow walkers that
motels should be used to house people that needed help.
Fact.
Rich80105
2020-03-10 05:44:28 UTC
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On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 00:17:02 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 23:47:22 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:51:26 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
Yes of course.
The outrage that National had until only weeks before that denied
there was a housing crisis at all.
The outrage that National had until weeks before that sold off a lot
of State Houses - some of them on large sections which were bought and
multiple dwellings converted to single privately owned dwellings
The outrage that National were lending people money to move to a motel
and were deducting repayments from benefit payments
The outrage that National had facilitated short term profits on
undeveloped land by creating special housing areas where the owner was
able to do nothing and still profit from the zoning
The outrage that National blamed local authorities for the pressure on
housing through high immigration
The outrage that National refused to help local authorities fund
infrastructure services for new developments because the government
priority was using debt to fund tax cuts and vanity projects
Yes, the outrage was well deserved - well done on prompting a recall
of how bad the last government was, Tony.
Your sarcasm is the retreat of a defenseless mind.
The point is, so that you can ponder on it, that there was outrage by the then
opposition about a government trying to help people.
That is all of value - everything else is rhetoric.
I saw no outrage at the government "trying to help" by using motels,
Tony - there was outrage that the situation got to that stage before
the government tried anything else!
Well you did not read the reports or watch the news or you deliberately ignored
it.
There was outrage by you specifically and many of your fellow walkers that
motels should be used to house people that needed help.
Fact.
You make up statements, assert that they are fact, but never provide
any evidence. Why should anyone believe you. I do recall that it was
about the time that they found they needed to use motels for emergency
housing that they did admit that there were some difficulties with
housing. That supported the outrage at the lack of action that had
been evident from before John Key resigned; I have always suspected
his resignation was prompted by the realisation that they culd not
cover everything up until after the election.

No, the outrage was solely at the appalling treatment of the then
government to some of New Zealand's most vulnerable people - for which
they were putting some into debt that was clearly unrecoverable, and
making life harder by reducing current income.

And yet you still lie about legitimate outrage for lack of action . .
.
Tony
2020-03-10 06:57:23 UTC
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On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 00:17:02 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 23:47:22 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:51:26 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
Yes of course.
The outrage that National had until only weeks before that denied
there was a housing crisis at all.
The outrage that National had until weeks before that sold off a lot
of State Houses - some of them on large sections which were bought and
multiple dwellings converted to single privately owned dwellings
The outrage that National were lending people money to move to a motel
and were deducting repayments from benefit payments
The outrage that National had facilitated short term profits on
undeveloped land by creating special housing areas where the owner was
able to do nothing and still profit from the zoning
The outrage that National blamed local authorities for the pressure on
housing through high immigration
The outrage that National refused to help local authorities fund
infrastructure services for new developments because the government
priority was using debt to fund tax cuts and vanity projects
Yes, the outrage was well deserved - well done on prompting a recall
of how bad the last government was, Tony.
Your sarcasm is the retreat of a defenseless mind.
The point is, so that you can ponder on it, that there was outrage by the then
opposition about a government trying to help people.
That is all of value - everything else is rhetoric.
I saw no outrage at the government "trying to help" by using motels,
Tony - there was outrage that the situation got to that stage before
the government tried anything else!
Well you did not read the reports or watch the news or you deliberately ignored
it.
There was outrage by you specifically and many of your fellow walkers that
motels should be used to house people that needed help.
Fact.
You make up statements, assert that they are fact, but never provide
any evidence. Why should anyone believe you. I do recall that it was
about the time that they found they needed to use motels for emergency
housing that they did admit that there were some difficulties with
housing. That supported the outrage at the lack of action that had
been evident from before John Key resigned; I have always suspected
his resignation was prompted by the realisation that they culd not
cover everything up until after the election.
No, the outrage was solely at the appalling treatment of the then
government to some of New Zealand's most vulnerable people - for which
they were putting some into debt that was clearly unrecoverable, and
making life harder by reducing current income.
And yet you still lie about legitimate outrage for lack of action . .
.
All lies but that is what you do.
The opposition at the time, and you, were all over it. And your denial is
typical.
Rich80105
2020-03-10 08:40:50 UTC
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On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 01:57:23 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 00:17:02 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 23:47:22 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:51:26 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
Yes of course.
The outrage that National had until only weeks before that denied
there was a housing crisis at all.
The outrage that National had until weeks before that sold off a lot
of State Houses - some of them on large sections which were bought and
multiple dwellings converted to single privately owned dwellings
The outrage that National were lending people money to move to a motel
and were deducting repayments from benefit payments
The outrage that National had facilitated short term profits on
undeveloped land by creating special housing areas where the owner was
able to do nothing and still profit from the zoning
The outrage that National blamed local authorities for the pressure on
housing through high immigration
The outrage that National refused to help local authorities fund
infrastructure services for new developments because the government
priority was using debt to fund tax cuts and vanity projects
Yes, the outrage was well deserved - well done on prompting a recall
of how bad the last government was, Tony.
Your sarcasm is the retreat of a defenseless mind.
The point is, so that you can ponder on it, that there was outrage by the then
opposition about a government trying to help people.
That is all of value - everything else is rhetoric.
I saw no outrage at the government "trying to help" by using motels,
Tony - there was outrage that the situation got to that stage before
the government tried anything else!
Well you did not read the reports or watch the news or you deliberately ignored
it.
There was outrage by you specifically and many of your fellow walkers that
motels should be used to house people that needed help.
Fact.
You make up statements, assert that they are fact, but never provide
any evidence. Why should anyone believe you. I do recall that it was
about the time that they found they needed to use motels for emergency
housing that they did admit that there were some difficulties with
housing. That supported the outrage at the lack of action that had
been evident from before John Key resigned; I have always suspected
his resignation was prompted by the realisation that they culd not
cover everything up until after the election.
No, the outrage was solely at the appalling treatment of the then
government to some of New Zealand's most vulnerable people - for which
they were putting some into debt that was clearly unrecoverable, and
making life harder by reducing current income.
And yet you still lie about legitimate outrage for lack of action . .
.
All lies but that is what you do.
The opposition at the time, and you, were all over it. And your denial is
typical.
Now you are blustering because you can find no evidence to support
your "personal opinion" that you are pretending is fact.
Tony
2020-03-10 18:40:18 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 01:57:23 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 00:17:02 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 23:47:22 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:51:26 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
Yes of course.
The outrage that National had until only weeks before that denied
there was a housing crisis at all.
The outrage that National had until weeks before that sold off a lot
of State Houses - some of them on large sections which were bought and
multiple dwellings converted to single privately owned dwellings
The outrage that National were lending people money to move to a motel
and were deducting repayments from benefit payments
The outrage that National had facilitated short term profits on
undeveloped land by creating special housing areas where the owner was
able to do nothing and still profit from the zoning
The outrage that National blamed local authorities for the pressure on
housing through high immigration
The outrage that National refused to help local authorities fund
infrastructure services for new developments because the government
priority was using debt to fund tax cuts and vanity projects
Yes, the outrage was well deserved - well done on prompting a recall
of how bad the last government was, Tony.
Your sarcasm is the retreat of a defenseless mind.
The point is, so that you can ponder on it, that there was outrage by the then
opposition about a government trying to help people.
That is all of value - everything else is rhetoric.
I saw no outrage at the government "trying to help" by using motels,
Tony - there was outrage that the situation got to that stage before
the government tried anything else!
Well you did not read the reports or watch the news or you deliberately ignored
it.
There was outrage by you specifically and many of your fellow walkers that
motels should be used to house people that needed help.
Fact.
You make up statements, assert that they are fact, but never provide
any evidence. Why should anyone believe you. I do recall that it was
about the time that they found they needed to use motels for emergency
housing that they did admit that there were some difficulties with
housing. That supported the outrage at the lack of action that had
been evident from before John Key resigned; I have always suspected
his resignation was prompted by the realisation that they culd not
cover everything up until after the election.
No, the outrage was solely at the appalling treatment of the then
government to some of New Zealand's most vulnerable people - for which
they were putting some into debt that was clearly unrecoverable, and
making life harder by reducing current income.
And yet you still lie about legitimate outrage for lack of action . .
.
All lies but that is what you do.
The opposition at the time, and you, were all over it. And your denial is
typical.
Now you are blustering because you can find no evidence to support
your "personal opinion" that you are pretending is fact.
No bluster -you are lying again. The opposition were outraged at the use of
motels by the last government and you have admitted as such in another post.
John Bowes
2020-03-10 21:01:50 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 01:57:23 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 00:17:02 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 23:47:22 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:51:26 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to
achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
Yes of course.
The outrage that National had until only weeks before that denied
there was a housing crisis at all.
The outrage that National had until weeks before that sold off a lot
of State Houses - some of them on large sections which were bought and
multiple dwellings converted to single privately owned dwellings
The outrage that National were lending people money to move to a motel
and were deducting repayments from benefit payments
The outrage that National had facilitated short term profits on
undeveloped land by creating special housing areas where the owner was
able to do nothing and still profit from the zoning
The outrage that National blamed local authorities for the pressure on
housing through high immigration
The outrage that National refused to help local authorities fund
infrastructure services for new developments because the government
priority was using debt to fund tax cuts and vanity projects
Yes, the outrage was well deserved - well done on prompting a recall
of how bad the last government was, Tony.
Your sarcasm is the retreat of a defenseless mind.
The point is, so that you can ponder on it, that there was outrage by the then
opposition about a government trying to help people.
That is all of value - everything else is rhetoric.
I saw no outrage at the government "trying to help" by using motels,
Tony - there was outrage that the situation got to that stage before
the government tried anything else!
Well you did not read the reports or watch the news or you deliberately ignored
it.
There was outrage by you specifically and many of your fellow walkers that
motels should be used to house people that needed help.
Fact.
You make up statements, assert that they are fact, but never provide
any evidence. Why should anyone believe you. I do recall that it was
about the time that they found they needed to use motels for emergency
housing that they did admit that there were some difficulties with
housing. That supported the outrage at the lack of action that had
been evident from before John Key resigned; I have always suspected
his resignation was prompted by the realisation that they culd not
cover everything up until after the election.
No, the outrage was solely at the appalling treatment of the then
government to some of New Zealand's most vulnerable people - for which
they were putting some into debt that was clearly unrecoverable, and
making life harder by reducing current income.
And yet you still lie about legitimate outrage for lack of action . .
.
All lies but that is what you do.
The opposition at the time, and you, were all over it. And your denial is
typical.
Now you are blustering because you can find no evidence to support
your "personal opinion" that you are pretending is fact.
No bluster -you are lying again. The opposition were outraged at the use of
motels by the last government and you have admitted as such in another post.
Hell Rich carried on as though it heralded the end of the world and claimed Labour would fix the problem. What happened? The problem is growing out of all proportion to the lies Rich and Winston's shower are pushing!

To quote Rich: This government needs to go!
John Bowes
2020-03-10 20:54:41 UTC
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On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 01:57:23 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 00:17:02 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 23:47:22 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:51:26 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to
achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
Yes of course.
The outrage that National had until only weeks before that denied
there was a housing crisis at all.
The outrage that National had until weeks before that sold off a lot
of State Houses - some of them on large sections which were bought and
multiple dwellings converted to single privately owned dwellings
The outrage that National were lending people money to move to a motel
and were deducting repayments from benefit payments
The outrage that National had facilitated short term profits on
undeveloped land by creating special housing areas where the owner was
able to do nothing and still profit from the zoning
The outrage that National blamed local authorities for the pressure on
housing through high immigration
The outrage that National refused to help local authorities fund
infrastructure services for new developments because the government
priority was using debt to fund tax cuts and vanity projects
Yes, the outrage was well deserved - well done on prompting a recall
of how bad the last government was, Tony.
Your sarcasm is the retreat of a defenseless mind.
The point is, so that you can ponder on it, that there was outrage by the then
opposition about a government trying to help people.
That is all of value - everything else is rhetoric.
I saw no outrage at the government "trying to help" by using motels,
Tony - there was outrage that the situation got to that stage before
the government tried anything else!
Well you did not read the reports or watch the news or you deliberately ignored
it.
There was outrage by you specifically and many of your fellow walkers that
motels should be used to house people that needed help.
Fact.
You make up statements, assert that they are fact, but never provide
any evidence. Why should anyone believe you. I do recall that it was
about the time that they found they needed to use motels for emergency
housing that they did admit that there were some difficulties with
housing. That supported the outrage at the lack of action that had
been evident from before John Key resigned; I have always suspected
his resignation was prompted by the realisation that they culd not
cover everything up until after the election.
No, the outrage was solely at the appalling treatment of the then
government to some of New Zealand's most vulnerable people - for which
they were putting some into debt that was clearly unrecoverable, and
making life harder by reducing current income.
And yet you still lie about legitimate outrage for lack of action . .
.
All lies but that is what you do.
The opposition at the time, and you, were all over it. And your denial is
typical.
Now you are blustering because you can find no evidence to support
your "personal opinion" that you are pretending is fact.
BULLSHIT!
Crash
2020-03-10 07:12:32 UTC
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On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 00:17:02 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 23:47:22 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:51:26 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
Yes of course.
The outrage that National had until only weeks before that denied
there was a housing crisis at all.
The outrage that National had until weeks before that sold off a lot
of State Houses - some of them on large sections which were bought and
multiple dwellings converted to single privately owned dwellings
The outrage that National were lending people money to move to a motel
and were deducting repayments from benefit payments
The outrage that National had facilitated short term profits on
undeveloped land by creating special housing areas where the owner was
able to do nothing and still profit from the zoning
The outrage that National blamed local authorities for the pressure on
housing through high immigration
The outrage that National refused to help local authorities fund
infrastructure services for new developments because the government
priority was using debt to fund tax cuts and vanity projects
Yes, the outrage was well deserved - well done on prompting a recall
of how bad the last government was, Tony.
Your sarcasm is the retreat of a defenseless mind.
The point is, so that you can ponder on it, that there was outrage by the then
opposition about a government trying to help people.
That is all of value - everything else is rhetoric.
I saw no outrage at the government "trying to help" by using motels,
Tony - there was outrage that the situation got to that stage before
the government tried anything else!
Well you did not read the reports or watch the news or you deliberately ignored
it.
There was outrage by you specifically and many of your fellow walkers that
motels should be used to house people that needed help.
Fact.
You make up statements, assert that they are fact, but never provide
any evidence. Why should anyone believe you.
So far so good Rich - fair comment although my recollection is in line
with what Tony said.
Post by Rich80105
I do recall that it was
about the time that they found they needed to use motels for emergency
housing that they did admit that there were some difficulties with
housing. That supported the outrage at the lack of action that had
been evident from before John Key resigned; I have always suspected
his resignation was prompted by the realisation that they culd not
cover everything up until after the election.
Now its time for you to cite the connection between the two Rich. If
it is good enough for you to accuse Tony of unsupported opinions then
it is logical that you should support your opinion with fact.

My recollection was that at the time John Key resigned he was being
accused of hanging on for a record-equaling 4th term.
Post by Rich80105
No, the outrage was solely at the appalling treatment of the then
government to some of New Zealand's most vulnerable people - for which
they were putting some into debt that was clearly unrecoverable, and
making life harder by reducing current income.
And yet you still lie about legitimate outrage for lack of action . .
.
There was no outrage, because if there was the party would not have
received the level of support it did in the 2017 election. Your
claims are politically motivated and not supported by voters.


--
Crash McBash
Rich80105
2020-03-10 09:08:14 UTC
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Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 00:17:02 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 23:47:22 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:51:26 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
Yes of course.
The outrage that National had until only weeks before that denied
there was a housing crisis at all.
The outrage that National had until weeks before that sold off a lot
of State Houses - some of them on large sections which were bought and
multiple dwellings converted to single privately owned dwellings
The outrage that National were lending people money to move to a motel
and were deducting repayments from benefit payments
The outrage that National had facilitated short term profits on
undeveloped land by creating special housing areas where the owner was
able to do nothing and still profit from the zoning
The outrage that National blamed local authorities for the pressure on
housing through high immigration
The outrage that National refused to help local authorities fund
infrastructure services for new developments because the government
priority was using debt to fund tax cuts and vanity projects
Yes, the outrage was well deserved - well done on prompting a recall
of how bad the last government was, Tony.
Your sarcasm is the retreat of a defenseless mind.
The point is, so that you can ponder on it, that there was outrage by the then
opposition about a government trying to help people.
That is all of value - everything else is rhetoric.
I saw no outrage at the government "trying to help" by using motels,
Tony - there was outrage that the situation got to that stage before
the government tried anything else!
Well you did not read the reports or watch the news or you deliberately ignored
it.
There was outrage by you specifically and many of your fellow walkers that
motels should be used to house people that needed help.
Fact.
You make up statements, assert that they are fact, but never provide
any evidence. Why should anyone believe you.
So far so good Rich - fair comment although my recollection is in line
with what Tony said.
Post by Rich80105
I do recall that it was
about the time that they found they needed to use motels for emergency
housing that they did admit that there were some difficulties with
housing. That supported the outrage at the lack of action that had
been evident from before John Key resigned; I have always suspected
his resignation was prompted by the realisation that they culd not
cover everything up until after the election.
Now its time for you to cite the connection between the two Rich. If
it is good enough for you to accuse Tony of unsupported opinions then
it is logical that you should support your opinion with fact.
The link is merely timing, Crash. Certainly the housing crisis was one
where it must have been obvious to the then government that their
claim that there was no crisis culd not be sustained, but there were a
host of other issues as well. Essentially Key had achieved what he
wanted, and knew that it was time to move on - a "trader"reaction that
he had followed his whole life. He knew that regardless of performance
he was not likely to get more than 9 years, but his government had
persistently failed to deliver the "surplus" that was billed as so
important in those days.
Post by Crash
My recollection was that at the time John Key resigned he was being
accused of hanging on for a record-equaling 4th term.
Speculation in the media was all over the place, but with hindsight,
we no w know that the government must have been getting disturbing
reports about the effects of the run down of police, nurses, doctors,
, increasing poverty, threats against minority groups such as Muslims.
There is always speculation. My comment above "I have always suspected
his resignation was prompted by the realisation that they could not
cover everything up until after the election. " is clearly personal
speculation from me, and I have not pretended to be able to prove it.
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
No, the outrage was solely at the appalling treatment of the then
government to some of New Zealand's most vulnerable people - for which
they were putting some into debt that was clearly unrecoverable, and
making life harder by reducing current income.
And yet you still lie about legitimate outrage for lack of action . .
.
There was no outrage, because if there was the party would not have
received the level of support it did in the 2017 election. Your
claims are politically motivated and not supported by voters.
Yes there was considerable outrage, but it was not universally held.
We are a more polarised society than w were previously - the result of
30 years of neo-liberal policies has given us gerater inequality for
example. The recipients of most of the economic gains - the wealthy -
are much better off now, and also have the money to push their views;
many National supporters are wannabe wealthy or hangers on to the
wealthy; their livilihood depends on delivering what their boss wants;
and reportewrs who struggle to keep a good word count know what the
proprietors want . . .

Electoral support is similarly entrenched - as in the USA, the left
support the left and the righ support the right. The way polls are
reported over-emphasises that of course - they do not report the
"undecided" which in recent polls have been around 17% - far bigger
than the small movements in support for those close to the 5% MMP
threshold.

As for the substance of my assertion - there were some concerns about
the suitability of motel accomodation - some families were put into
more than one unit; some units were substandard and provided
insuffient services for washing clothes for example, but the majority
of the protest was that National had finally admitted that they had
consistently understated housing problems and the proportion without
housing had become a scandal.
John Bowes
2020-03-10 20:59:42 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 00:17:02 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 23:47:22 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:51:26 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to
achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
Yes of course.
The outrage that National had until only weeks before that denied
there was a housing crisis at all.
The outrage that National had until weeks before that sold off a lot
of State Houses - some of them on large sections which were bought and
multiple dwellings converted to single privately owned dwellings
The outrage that National were lending people money to move to a motel
and were deducting repayments from benefit payments
The outrage that National had facilitated short term profits on
undeveloped land by creating special housing areas where the owner was
able to do nothing and still profit from the zoning
The outrage that National blamed local authorities for the pressure on
housing through high immigration
The outrage that National refused to help local authorities fund
infrastructure services for new developments because the government
priority was using debt to fund tax cuts and vanity projects
Yes, the outrage was well deserved - well done on prompting a recall
of how bad the last government was, Tony.
Your sarcasm is the retreat of a defenseless mind.
The point is, so that you can ponder on it, that there was outrage by the then
opposition about a government trying to help people.
That is all of value - everything else is rhetoric.
I saw no outrage at the government "trying to help" by using motels,
Tony - there was outrage that the situation got to that stage before
the government tried anything else!
Well you did not read the reports or watch the news or you deliberately ignored
it.
There was outrage by you specifically and many of your fellow walkers that
motels should be used to house people that needed help.
Fact.
You make up statements, assert that they are fact, but never provide
any evidence. Why should anyone believe you.
So far so good Rich - fair comment although my recollection is in line
with what Tony said.
Post by Rich80105
I do recall that it was
about the time that they found they needed to use motels for emergency
housing that they did admit that there were some difficulties with
housing. That supported the outrage at the lack of action that had
been evident from before John Key resigned; I have always suspected
his resignation was prompted by the realisation that they culd not
cover everything up until after the election.
Now its time for you to cite the connection between the two Rich. If
it is good enough for you to accuse Tony of unsupported opinions then
it is logical that you should support your opinion with fact.
The link is merely timing, Crash. Certainly the housing crisis was one
where it must have been obvious to the then government that their
claim that there was no crisis culd not be sustained, but there were a
host of other issues as well. Essentially Key had achieved what he
wanted, and knew that it was time to move on - a "trader"reaction that
he had followed his whole life. He knew that regardless of performance
he was not likely to get more than 9 years, but his government had
persistently failed to deliver the "surplus" that was billed as so
important in those days.
Post by Crash
My recollection was that at the time John Key resigned he was being
accused of hanging on for a record-equaling 4th term.
Speculation in the media was all over the place, but with hindsight,
we no w know that the government must have been getting disturbing
reports about the effects of the run down of police, nurses, doctors,
, increasing poverty, threats against minority groups such as Muslims.
There is always speculation. My comment above "I have always suspected
his resignation was prompted by the realisation that they could not
cover everything up until after the election. " is clearly personal
speculation from me, and I have not pretended to be able to prove it.
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
No, the outrage was solely at the appalling treatment of the then
government to some of New Zealand's most vulnerable people - for which
they were putting some into debt that was clearly unrecoverable, and
making life harder by reducing current income.
And yet you still lie about legitimate outrage for lack of action . .
.
There was no outrage, because if there was the party would not have
received the level of support it did in the 2017 election. Your
claims are politically motivated and not supported by voters.
Yes there was considerable outrage, but it was not universally held.
We are a more polarised society than w were previously - the result of
30 years of neo-liberal policies has given us gerater inequality for
example. The recipients of most of the economic gains - the wealthy -
are much better off now, and also have the money to push their views;
many National supporters are wannabe wealthy or hangers on to the
wealthy; their livilihood depends on delivering what their boss wants;
and reportewrs who struggle to keep a good word count know what the
proprietors want . . .
Electoral support is similarly entrenched - as in the USA, the left
support the left and the righ support the right. The way polls are
reported over-emphasises that of course - they do not report the
"undecided" which in recent polls have been around 17% - far bigger
than the small movements in support for those close to the 5% MMP
threshold.
As for the substance of my assertion - there were some concerns about
the suitability of motel accomodation - some families were put into
more than one unit; some units were substandard and provided
insuffient services for washing clothes for example, but the majority
of the protest was that National had finally admitted that they had
consistently understated housing problems and the proportion without
housing had become a scandal.
As full of bullshit as always Rich! Half your assertions are just the typical lies we see from you every day. now do stop trying to shift the thread to your typical propaganda in support of an utterly useless government who should be called hypocrisy supreme!

Now if you don't want discuss in a sensible way start another thread about your fake claims against National who could have done better during their nine years but certainly did achieve more than the Winston's shower 1
Crash
2020-03-11 01:19:50 UTC
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Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 00:17:02 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 23:47:22 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:51:26 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
Yes of course.
The outrage that National had until only weeks before that denied
there was a housing crisis at all.
The outrage that National had until weeks before that sold off a lot
of State Houses - some of them on large sections which were bought and
multiple dwellings converted to single privately owned dwellings
The outrage that National were lending people money to move to a motel
and were deducting repayments from benefit payments
The outrage that National had facilitated short term profits on
undeveloped land by creating special housing areas where the owner was
able to do nothing and still profit from the zoning
The outrage that National blamed local authorities for the pressure on
housing through high immigration
The outrage that National refused to help local authorities fund
infrastructure services for new developments because the government
priority was using debt to fund tax cuts and vanity projects
Yes, the outrage was well deserved - well done on prompting a recall
of how bad the last government was, Tony.
Your sarcasm is the retreat of a defenseless mind.
The point is, so that you can ponder on it, that there was outrage by the then
opposition about a government trying to help people.
That is all of value - everything else is rhetoric.
I saw no outrage at the government "trying to help" by using motels,
Tony - there was outrage that the situation got to that stage before
the government tried anything else!
Well you did not read the reports or watch the news or you deliberately ignored
it.
There was outrage by you specifically and many of your fellow walkers that
motels should be used to house people that needed help.
Fact.
You make up statements, assert that they are fact, but never provide
any evidence. Why should anyone believe you.
So far so good Rich - fair comment although my recollection is in line
with what Tony said.
Post by Rich80105
I do recall that it was
about the time that they found they needed to use motels for emergency
housing that they did admit that there were some difficulties with
housing. That supported the outrage at the lack of action that had
been evident from before John Key resigned; I have always suspected
his resignation was prompted by the realisation that they culd not
cover everything up until after the election.
Now its time for you to cite the connection between the two Rich. If
it is good enough for you to accuse Tony of unsupported opinions then
it is logical that you should support your opinion with fact.
The link is merely timing, Crash. Certainly the housing crisis was one
where it must have been obvious to the then government that their
claim that there was no crisis culd not be sustained, but there were a
host of other issues as well. Essentially Key had achieved what he
wanted, and knew that it was time to move on - a "trader"reaction that
he had followed his whole life. He knew that regardless of performance
he was not likely to get more than 9 years, but his government had
persistently failed to deliver the "surplus" that was billed as so
important in those days.
Post by Crash
My recollection was that at the time John Key resigned he was being
accused of hanging on for a record-equaling 4th term.
Speculation in the media was all over the place, but with hindsight,
we no w know that the government must have been getting disturbing
reports about the effects of the run down of police, nurses, doctors,
, increasing poverty, threats against minority groups such as Muslims.
There is always speculation. My comment above "I have always suspected
his resignation was prompted by the realisation that they could not
cover everything up until after the election. " is clearly personal
speculation from me, and I have not pretended to be able to prove it.
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
No, the outrage was solely at the appalling treatment of the then
government to some of New Zealand's most vulnerable people - for which
they were putting some into debt that was clearly unrecoverable, and
making life harder by reducing current income.
And yet you still lie about legitimate outrage for lack of action . .
.
There was no outrage, because if there was the party would not have
received the level of support it did in the 2017 election. Your
claims are politically motivated and not supported by voters.
Yes there was considerable outrage, but it was not universally held.
We are a more polarised society than w were previously - the result of
30 years of neo-liberal policies has given us gerater inequality for
example.
You trot out these assertions as if they were fact.
Post by Rich80105
The recipients of most of the economic gains - the wealthy -
are much better off now, and also have the money to push their views;
many National supporters are wannabe wealthy or hangers on to the
wealthy; their livilihood depends on delivering what their boss wants;
and reportewrs who struggle to keep a good word count know what the
proprietors want . . .
Electoral support is similarly entrenched - as in the USA, the left
support the left and the righ support the right. The way polls are
reported over-emphasises that of course - they do not report the
"undecided" which in recent polls have been around 17% - far bigger
than the small movements in support for those close to the 5% MMP
threshold.
You need to address your comprehension skills. Can you name any
specific poll that does nor report the 'undecided'? My bet is you
cant, because they always do. There's a challenge for you.

Electoral support here is in no way entrenched. Take a look at the
levels of support for both National and Labour over that 30-year
period you have referred to and you will see the truth. You
perpetuate a perception that the rich are getting richer and the
poorer are getting poorer in NZ - but until you can cite credible
information on this then it remains a perception that you trot out as
a fact.
Post by Rich80105
As for the substance of my assertion - there were some concerns about
the suitability of motel accomodation - some families were put into
more than one unit; some units were substandard and provided
insuffient services for washing clothes for example,
I agree that Motels are a poor tool to use with respect to emergency
housing. This is tourist accommodation being used for a purpose it
was not built for.
Post by Rich80105
but the majority
of the protest was that National had finally admitted that they had
consistently understated housing problems and the proportion without
housing had become a scandal.
That is arrant nonsense. There has been a housing crisis for over 30
years and governments of both colours have struggled to deal with it.
Your insistence that it is all National's fault is shameful and
selective politicking.


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James Christophers
2020-03-11 03:51:31 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 00:17:02 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 23:47:22 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:51:26 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to
achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
Yes of course.
The outrage that National had until only weeks before that denied
there was a housing crisis at all.
The outrage that National had until weeks before that sold off a lot
of State Houses - some of them on large sections which were bought and
multiple dwellings converted to single privately owned dwellings
The outrage that National were lending people money to move to a motel
and were deducting repayments from benefit payments
The outrage that National had facilitated short term profits on
undeveloped land by creating special housing areas where the owner was
able to do nothing and still profit from the zoning
The outrage that National blamed local authorities for the pressure on
housing through high immigration
The outrage that National refused to help local authorities fund
infrastructure services for new developments because the government
priority was using debt to fund tax cuts and vanity projects
Yes, the outrage was well deserved - well done on prompting a recall
of how bad the last government was, Tony.
Your sarcasm is the retreat of a defenseless mind.
The point is, so that you can ponder on it, that there was outrage by the then
opposition about a government trying to help people.
That is all of value - everything else is rhetoric.
I saw no outrage at the government "trying to help" by using motels,
Tony - there was outrage that the situation got to that stage before
the government tried anything else!
Well you did not read the reports or watch the news or you deliberately ignored
it.
There was outrage by you specifically and many of your fellow walkers that
motels should be used to house people that needed help.
Fact.
You make up statements, assert that they are fact, but never provide
any evidence. Why should anyone believe you.
So far so good Rich - fair comment although my recollection is in line
with what Tony said.
Post by Rich80105
I do recall that it was
about the time that they found they needed to use motels for emergency
housing that they did admit that there were some difficulties with
housing. That supported the outrage at the lack of action that had
been evident from before John Key resigned; I have always suspected
his resignation was prompted by the realisation that they culd not
cover everything up until after the election.
Now its time for you to cite the connection between the two Rich. If
it is good enough for you to accuse Tony of unsupported opinions then
it is logical that you should support your opinion with fact.
The link is merely timing, Crash. Certainly the housing crisis was one
where it must have been obvious to the then government that their
claim that there was no crisis culd not be sustained, but there were a
host of other issues as well. Essentially Key had achieved what he
wanted, and knew that it was time to move on - a "trader"reaction that
he had followed his whole life. He knew that regardless of performance
he was not likely to get more than 9 years, but his government had
persistently failed to deliver the "surplus" that was billed as so
important in those days.
Post by Crash
My recollection was that at the time John Key resigned he was being
accused of hanging on for a record-equaling 4th term.
Speculation in the media was all over the place, but with hindsight,
we no w know that the government must have been getting disturbing
reports about the effects of the run down of police, nurses, doctors,
, increasing poverty, threats against minority groups such as Muslims.
There is always speculation. My comment above "I have always suspected
his resignation was prompted by the realisation that they could not
cover everything up until after the election. " is clearly personal
speculation from me, and I have not pretended to be able to prove it.
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
No, the outrage was solely at the appalling treatment of the then
government to some of New Zealand's most vulnerable people - for which
they were putting some into debt that was clearly unrecoverable, and
making life harder by reducing current income.
And yet you still lie about legitimate outrage for lack of action . .
.
There was no outrage, because if there was the party would not have
received the level of support it did in the 2017 election. Your
claims are politically motivated and not supported by voters.
Yes there was considerable outrage, but it was not universally held.
We are a more polarised society than w were previously - the result of
30 years of neo-liberal policies has given us gerater inequality for
example.
You trot out these assertions as if they were fact.
Post by Rich80105
The recipients of most of the economic gains - the wealthy -
are much better off now, and also have the money to push their views;
many National supporters are wannabe wealthy or hangers on to the
wealthy; their livilihood depends on delivering what their boss wants;
and reportewrs who struggle to keep a good word count know what the
proprietors want . . .
Electoral support is similarly entrenched - as in the USA, the left
support the left and the righ support the right. The way polls are
reported over-emphasises that of course - they do not report the
"undecided" which in recent polls have been around 17% - far bigger
than the small movements in support for those close to the 5% MMP
threshold.
You need to address your comprehension skills. Can you name any
specific poll that does nor report the 'undecided'? My bet is you
cant, because they always do. There's a challenge for you.
Electoral support here is in no way entrenched. Take a look at the
levels of support for both National and Labour over that 30-year
period you have referred to and you will see the truth. You
perpetuate a perception that the rich are getting richer and the
poorer are getting poorer in NZ - but until you can cite credible
information on this then it remains a perception that you trot out as
a fact.
Post by Rich80105
As for the substance of my assertion - there were some concerns about
the suitability of motel accomodation - some families were put into
more than one unit; some units were substandard and provided
insuffient services for washing clothes for example,
I agree that Motels are a poor tool to use with respect to emergency
housing. This is tourist accommodation being used for a purpose it
was not built for.
Post by Rich80105
but the majority
of the protest was that National had finally admitted that they had
consistently understated housing problems and the proportion without
housing had become a scandal.
That is arrant nonsense. There has been a housing crisis for over 30
years and governments of both colours have struggled to deal with it.
Your insistence that it is all National's fault is shameful and
selective politicking.
Mindless go-nowhere yah-booing.

Seems to me, Crash, that over those same 30 years - and right across the economy - more and more chickens have been coming home to roost, arguably the most socially destructive and intractable of these sightless, flightless birds today being housing.

Both National and Labour are equally to blame. While there may well be some justification for criticising the current incumbents, in essence they're only continuing what previous strapped-for-cash governments have been forced to do, i.e. make do and mend by spending each three year electoral cycle shuffling the same debt-money around the social-provision board.

But it is my view that nothing has done more damage in respect to any plans or fragile promises there have been over the same 30-year period to solve our housing shortage than for the previous National government to have opened wide the floodgates of immigration without first taking into account the **known** pre-existing lack of accommodation to meet the inevitable new-immigrant demand. Great, of course, for a Johnny-come-lately prime minster who own interests have always been served by currying favour with his like kind - the fast-buck, greed-driven casino class - but it has done zilch to advance the nation's overall wellbeing - and it shows. Shamefully and shamingly.

The rest is too well known for it to need any further recounting here.
Crash
2020-03-11 06:43:45 UTC
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On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 20:51:31 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 00:17:02 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 23:47:22 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:51:26 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to
achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
Yes of course.
The outrage that National had until only weeks before that denied
there was a housing crisis at all.
The outrage that National had until weeks before that sold off a lot
of State Houses - some of them on large sections which were bought and
multiple dwellings converted to single privately owned dwellings
The outrage that National were lending people money to move to a motel
and were deducting repayments from benefit payments
The outrage that National had facilitated short term profits on
undeveloped land by creating special housing areas where the owner was
able to do nothing and still profit from the zoning
The outrage that National blamed local authorities for the pressure on
housing through high immigration
The outrage that National refused to help local authorities fund
infrastructure services for new developments because the government
priority was using debt to fund tax cuts and vanity projects
Yes, the outrage was well deserved - well done on prompting a recall
of how bad the last government was, Tony.
Your sarcasm is the retreat of a defenseless mind.
The point is, so that you can ponder on it, that there was outrage by the
then
opposition about a government trying to help people.
That is all of value - everything else is rhetoric.
I saw no outrage at the government "trying to help" by using motels,
Tony - there was outrage that the situation got to that stage before
the government tried anything else!
Well you did not read the reports or watch the news or you deliberately ignored
it.
There was outrage by you specifically and many of your fellow walkers that
motels should be used to house people that needed help.
Fact.
You make up statements, assert that they are fact, but never provide
any evidence. Why should anyone believe you.
So far so good Rich - fair comment although my recollection is in line
with what Tony said.
Post by Rich80105
I do recall that it was
about the time that they found they needed to use motels for emergency
housing that they did admit that there were some difficulties with
housing. That supported the outrage at the lack of action that had
been evident from before John Key resigned; I have always suspected
his resignation was prompted by the realisation that they culd not
cover everything up until after the election.
Now its time for you to cite the connection between the two Rich. If
it is good enough for you to accuse Tony of unsupported opinions then
it is logical that you should support your opinion with fact.
The link is merely timing, Crash. Certainly the housing crisis was one
where it must have been obvious to the then government that their
claim that there was no crisis culd not be sustained, but there were a
host of other issues as well. Essentially Key had achieved what he
wanted, and knew that it was time to move on - a "trader"reaction that
he had followed his whole life. He knew that regardless of performance
he was not likely to get more than 9 years, but his government had
persistently failed to deliver the "surplus" that was billed as so
important in those days.
Post by Crash
My recollection was that at the time John Key resigned he was being
accused of hanging on for a record-equaling 4th term.
Speculation in the media was all over the place, but with hindsight,
we no w know that the government must have been getting disturbing
reports about the effects of the run down of police, nurses, doctors,
, increasing poverty, threats against minority groups such as Muslims.
There is always speculation. My comment above "I have always suspected
his resignation was prompted by the realisation that they could not
cover everything up until after the election. " is clearly personal
speculation from me, and I have not pretended to be able to prove it.
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
No, the outrage was solely at the appalling treatment of the then
government to some of New Zealand's most vulnerable people - for which
they were putting some into debt that was clearly unrecoverable, and
making life harder by reducing current income.
And yet you still lie about legitimate outrage for lack of action . .
.
There was no outrage, because if there was the party would not have
received the level of support it did in the 2017 election. Your
claims are politically motivated and not supported by voters.
Yes there was considerable outrage, but it was not universally held.
We are a more polarised society than w were previously - the result of
30 years of neo-liberal policies has given us gerater inequality for
example.
You trot out these assertions as if they were fact.
Post by Rich80105
The recipients of most of the economic gains - the wealthy -
are much better off now, and also have the money to push their views;
many National supporters are wannabe wealthy or hangers on to the
wealthy; their livilihood depends on delivering what their boss wants;
and reportewrs who struggle to keep a good word count know what the
proprietors want . . .
Electoral support is similarly entrenched - as in the USA, the left
support the left and the righ support the right. The way polls are
reported over-emphasises that of course - they do not report the
"undecided" which in recent polls have been around 17% - far bigger
than the small movements in support for those close to the 5% MMP
threshold.
You need to address your comprehension skills. Can you name any
specific poll that does nor report the 'undecided'? My bet is you
cant, because they always do. There's a challenge for you.
Electoral support here is in no way entrenched. Take a look at the
levels of support for both National and Labour over that 30-year
period you have referred to and you will see the truth. You
perpetuate a perception that the rich are getting richer and the
poorer are getting poorer in NZ - but until you can cite credible
information on this then it remains a perception that you trot out as
a fact.
Post by Rich80105
As for the substance of my assertion - there were some concerns about
the suitability of motel accomodation - some families were put into
more than one unit; some units were substandard and provided
insuffient services for washing clothes for example,
I agree that Motels are a poor tool to use with respect to emergency
housing. This is tourist accommodation being used for a purpose it
was not built for.
Post by Rich80105
but the majority
of the protest was that National had finally admitted that they had
consistently understated housing problems and the proportion without
housing had become a scandal.
That is arrant nonsense. There has been a housing crisis for over 30
years and governments of both colours have struggled to deal with it.
Your insistence that it is all National's fault is shameful and
selective politicking.
Mindless go-nowhere yah-booing.
Seems to me, Crash, that over those same 30 years - and right across the economy
- more and more chickens have been coming home to roost, arguably the most
socially destructive and intractable of these sightless, flightless birds today being housing.
Both National and Labour are equally to blame. While there may well be some
justification for criticising the current incumbents, in essence they're only continuing
what previous strapped-for-cash governments have been forced to do, i.e. make
do and mend by spending each three year electoral cycle shuffling the same
debt-money around the social-provision board.
But it is my view that nothing has done more damage in respect to any plans or
fragile promises there have been over the same 30-year period to solve our housing
shortage than for the previous National government to have opened wide the floodgates
of immigration without first taking into account the **known** pre-existing lack of
accommodation to meet the inevitable new-immigrant demand. Great, of course,
for a Johnny-come-lately prime minster who own interests have always been served by
currying favour with his like kind - the fast-buck, greed-driven casino class - but it has
done zilch to advance the nation's overall wellbeing - and it shows. Shamefully and shamingly.
The rest is too well known for it to need any further recounting here.
I would go further and advance the opinion that those employing
immigrant labour justify their needs by pointing to the fact that
locals wont do the work. Immigration need to explore the option for
said employers to pay more than the minimum wage for locals before
they entertain the notion of granting immigrant visas.

As it stands, it appears that employers can apply for and get
permission to recruit offshore simply because locals are not
interested in minimum wage rates, and desperate 3rd-world workers
consider our minimum wage to be a fortune.


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James Christophers
2020-03-11 21:21:25 UTC
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Post by Crash
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 20:51:31 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
Post by James Christophers
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 00:17:02 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 23:47:22 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:51:26 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to
achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
Yes of course.
The outrage that National had until only weeks before that denied
there was a housing crisis at all.
The outrage that National had until weeks before that sold off a lot
of State Houses - some of them on large sections which were bought and
multiple dwellings converted to single privately owned dwellings
The outrage that National were lending people money to move to a motel
and were deducting repayments from benefit payments
The outrage that National had facilitated short term profits on
undeveloped land by creating special housing areas where the owner was
able to do nothing and still profit from the zoning
The outrage that National blamed local authorities for the pressure on
housing through high immigration
The outrage that National refused to help local authorities fund
infrastructure services for new developments because the government
priority was using debt to fund tax cuts and vanity projects
Yes, the outrage was well deserved - well done on prompting a recall
of how bad the last government was, Tony.
Your sarcasm is the retreat of a defenseless mind.
The point is, so that you can ponder on it, that there was outrage by the
then
opposition about a government trying to help people.
That is all of value - everything else is rhetoric.
I saw no outrage at the government "trying to help" by using motels,
Tony - there was outrage that the situation got to that stage before
the government tried anything else!
Well you did not read the reports or watch the news or you deliberately ignored
it.
There was outrage by you specifically and many of your fellow walkers that
motels should be used to house people that needed help.
Fact.
You make up statements, assert that they are fact, but never provide
any evidence. Why should anyone believe you.
So far so good Rich - fair comment although my recollection is in line
with what Tony said.
Post by Rich80105
I do recall that it was
about the time that they found they needed to use motels for emergency
housing that they did admit that there were some difficulties with
housing. That supported the outrage at the lack of action that had
been evident from before John Key resigned; I have always suspected
his resignation was prompted by the realisation that they culd not
cover everything up until after the election.
Now its time for you to cite the connection between the two Rich. If
it is good enough for you to accuse Tony of unsupported opinions then
it is logical that you should support your opinion with fact.
The link is merely timing, Crash. Certainly the housing crisis was one
where it must have been obvious to the then government that their
claim that there was no crisis culd not be sustained, but there were a
host of other issues as well. Essentially Key had achieved what he
wanted, and knew that it was time to move on - a "trader"reaction that
he had followed his whole life. He knew that regardless of performance
he was not likely to get more than 9 years, but his government had
persistently failed to deliver the "surplus" that was billed as so
important in those days.
Post by Crash
My recollection was that at the time John Key resigned he was being
accused of hanging on for a record-equaling 4th term.
Speculation in the media was all over the place, but with hindsight,
we no w know that the government must have been getting disturbing
reports about the effects of the run down of police, nurses, doctors,
, increasing poverty, threats against minority groups such as Muslims.
There is always speculation. My comment above "I have always suspected
his resignation was prompted by the realisation that they could not
cover everything up until after the election. " is clearly personal
speculation from me, and I have not pretended to be able to prove it.
Post by Crash
Post by Rich80105
No, the outrage was solely at the appalling treatment of the then
government to some of New Zealand's most vulnerable people - for which
they were putting some into debt that was clearly unrecoverable, and
making life harder by reducing current income.
And yet you still lie about legitimate outrage for lack of action . .
.
There was no outrage, because if there was the party would not have
received the level of support it did in the 2017 election. Your
claims are politically motivated and not supported by voters.
Yes there was considerable outrage, but it was not universally held.
We are a more polarised society than w were previously - the result of
30 years of neo-liberal policies has given us gerater inequality for
example.
You trot out these assertions as if they were fact.
Post by Rich80105
The recipients of most of the economic gains - the wealthy -
are much better off now, and also have the money to push their views;
many National supporters are wannabe wealthy or hangers on to the
wealthy; their livilihood depends on delivering what their boss wants;
and reportewrs who struggle to keep a good word count know what the
proprietors want . . .
Electoral support is similarly entrenched - as in the USA, the left
support the left and the righ support the right. The way polls are
reported over-emphasises that of course - they do not report the
"undecided" which in recent polls have been around 17% - far bigger
than the small movements in support for those close to the 5% MMP
threshold.
You need to address your comprehension skills. Can you name any
specific poll that does nor report the 'undecided'? My bet is you
cant, because they always do. There's a challenge for you.
Electoral support here is in no way entrenched. Take a look at the
levels of support for both National and Labour over that 30-year
period you have referred to and you will see the truth. You
perpetuate a perception that the rich are getting richer and the
poorer are getting poorer in NZ - but until you can cite credible
information on this then it remains a perception that you trot out as
a fact.
Post by Rich80105
As for the substance of my assertion - there were some concerns about
the suitability of motel accomodation - some families were put into
more than one unit; some units were substandard and provided
insuffient services for washing clothes for example,
I agree that Motels are a poor tool to use with respect to emergency
housing. This is tourist accommodation being used for a purpose it
was not built for.
Post by Rich80105
but the majority
of the protest was that National had finally admitted that they had
consistently understated housing problems and the proportion without
housing had become a scandal.
That is arrant nonsense. There has been a housing crisis for over 30
years and governments of both colours have struggled to deal with it.
Your insistence that it is all National's fault is shameful and
selective politicking.
Mindless go-nowhere yah-booing.
Seems to me, Crash, that over those same 30 years - and right across the economy
- more and more chickens have been coming home to roost, arguably the most
socially destructive and intractable of these sightless, flightless birds today being housing.
Both National and Labour are equally to blame. While there may well be some
justification for criticising the current incumbents, in essence they're only continuing
what previous strapped-for-cash governments have been forced to do, i.e. make
do and mend by spending each three year electoral cycle shuffling the same
debt-money around the social-provision board.
But it is my view that nothing has done more damage in respect to any plans or
fragile promises there have been over the same 30-year period to solve our housing
shortage than for the previous National government to have opened wide the floodgates
of immigration without first taking into account the **known** pre-existing lack of
accommodation to meet the inevitable new-immigrant demand. Great, of course,
for a Johnny-come-lately prime minster who own interests have always been served by
currying favour with his like kind - the fast-buck, greed-driven casino class - but it has
done zilch to advance the nation's overall wellbeing - and it shows. Shamefully and shamingly.
The rest is too well known for it to need any further recounting here.
I would go further and advance the opinion that those employing
immigrant labour justify their needs by pointing to the fact that
locals wont do the work.
This was one of the prime requirements for importing foreign labour - it was certainly so 25+ years ago when I was recruited an appointed to a position here.

As for our recalcitrant "locals" wont wont work for the minimum wage: are they the unskilled or, in fact, the able-bodied skilled who will not work because they're simply too tired to get out of bed? If the latter, then in my book it's not one cent of welfare benefit for them until they mend their ways. Period.
Post by Crash
Immigration need to explore the option for
said employers to pay more than the minimum wage for locals before
they entertain the notion of granting immigrant visas.
As it stands, it appears that employers can apply for and get
permission to recruit offshore simply because locals are not
interested in minimum wage rates, and desperate 3rd-world workers
consider our minimum wage to be a fortune.
So we're importing unskilled, low-waged migrants who arrive only to overload our already inadequate housing stock, while you and I fund welfare to able-bodied, unproductive workshy locals with a roof over their head? If so, then the lunatics are well and truly in charge of the asylum.
John Bowes
2020-03-10 08:12:49 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 00:17:02 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 23:47:22 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:51:26 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
Yes of course.
The outrage that National had until only weeks before that denied
there was a housing crisis at all.
The outrage that National had until weeks before that sold off a lot
of State Houses - some of them on large sections which were bought and
multiple dwellings converted to single privately owned dwellings
The outrage that National were lending people money to move to a motel
and were deducting repayments from benefit payments
The outrage that National had facilitated short term profits on
undeveloped land by creating special housing areas where the owner was
able to do nothing and still profit from the zoning
The outrage that National blamed local authorities for the pressure on
housing through high immigration
The outrage that National refused to help local authorities fund
infrastructure services for new developments because the government
priority was using debt to fund tax cuts and vanity projects
Yes, the outrage was well deserved - well done on prompting a recall
of how bad the last government was, Tony.
Your sarcasm is the retreat of a defenseless mind.
The point is, so that you can ponder on it, that there was outrage by the then
opposition about a government trying to help people.
That is all of value - everything else is rhetoric.
I saw no outrage at the government "trying to help" by using motels,
Tony - there was outrage that the situation got to that stage before
the government tried anything else!
Well you did not read the reports or watch the news or you deliberately ignored
it.
There was outrage by you specifically and many of your fellow walkers that
motels should be used to house people that needed help.
Fact.
<typical bullshit from Rich the bullshiter snipped>
George
2020-03-10 19:04:38 UTC
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On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 00:17:02 -0500
Post by Tony
Well you did not read the reports or watch the news or you
deliberately ignored it.
There was outrage by you specifically and many of your fellow walkers
that motels should be used to house people that needed help.
Fact.
Well when the 100,000 houses promised by labor come on line that should
solve the problem.
Any-one remember how many were going to be built before 2 pies 2 lies
took over ???
And how many are completed now???
Anywhere near 100 ????
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2020-03-10 21:05:51 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 00:17:02 -0500
Post by Tony
Well you did not read the reports or watch the news or you
deliberately ignored it.
There was outrage by you specifically and many of your fellow walkers
that motels should be used to house people that needed help.
Fact.
Well when the 100,000 houses promised by labor come on line that should
solve the problem.
Any-one remember how many were going to be built before 2 pies 2 lies
took over ???
And how many are completed now???
Anywhere near 100 ????
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Funny but like the social housing claimed by Labour, KiwiBuilds claimed houses were ALL started while National was in power :)
John Bowes
2020-03-10 08:11:42 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 23:47:22 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:51:26 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
Yes of course.
The outrage that National had until only weeks before that denied
there was a housing crisis at all.
The outrage that National had until weeks before that sold off a lot
of State Houses - some of them on large sections which were bought and
multiple dwellings converted to single privately owned dwellings
The outrage that National were lending people money to move to a motel
and were deducting repayments from benefit payments
The outrage that National had facilitated short term profits on
undeveloped land by creating special housing areas where the owner was
able to do nothing and still profit from the zoning
The outrage that National blamed local authorities for the pressure on
housing through high immigration
The outrage that National refused to help local authorities fund
infrastructure services for new developments because the government
priority was using debt to fund tax cuts and vanity projects
Yes, the outrage was well deserved - well done on prompting a recall
of how bad the last government was, Tony.
Your sarcasm is the retreat of a defenseless mind.
The point is, so that you can ponder on it, that there was outrage by the then
opposition about a government trying to help people.
That is all of value - everything else is rhetoric.
I saw no outrage at the government "trying to help" by using motels,
Tony - there was outrage that the situation got to that stage before
the government tried anything else!
So where's YOUR outrage that the situation is even worse now than it was while National was government and before Winston screwed new Zealand and gave us the current bunch of useless bastards!!!
Crash
2020-03-10 04:34:31 UTC
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On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:51:26 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
There is a difference between the Government using Motels and buying
them. The Motel in question above has been the subject of a
non-notified resource consent change. This probably means that there
are no time restrictions on how long occupants can stay.


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Tony
2020-03-10 04:48:05 UTC
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Post by Rich80105
On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 22:51:26 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
Post by Tony
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
There is a difference between the Government using Motels and buying
them. The Motel in question above has been the subject of a
non-notified resource consent change. This probably means that there
are no time restrictions on how long occupants can stay.
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Yes of course there is but the government of the day did try to help and the
opposition were outraged.
John Bowes
2020-03-10 08:09:46 UTC
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Post by Tony
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a 1618
waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not going to achieve
shit!
Do you remember the bleating and outrage from the opposition when the last
government used motels?
Oh yes! but then I also remember Richie's mantra. Labour good, National bad :)
George
2020-03-10 19:00:33 UTC
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On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 14:55:42 -0700 (PDT)
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a
1618 waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not
going to achieve shit!
Evidently we are going to get the 'National sold off all the State
Houses' as the excuse for why the numbers of homeless have skyrocketed.
There should be a penalty for lies from a socalled minister, a week
with rich perhaps
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2020-03-10 21:04:02 UTC
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On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 14:55:42 -0700 (PDT)
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a
1618 waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not
going to achieve shit!
Evidently we are going to get the 'National sold off all the State
Houses' as the excuse for why the numbers of homeless have skyrocketed.
There should be a penalty for lies from a socalled minister, a week
with rich perhaps
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I suspect that wouldn't be a penalty for the current batch of ministers George. They'd be in full agreement with Rich. We'd have a happy bunch of lying bastards instead of the miserable pricks that xan be seen most nights on TV :)
Rich80105
2020-03-10 23:50:26 UTC
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a
1618 waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not
going to achieve shit!
Evidently we are going to get the 'National sold off all the State
Houses' as the excuse for why the numbers of homeless have skyrocketed.
There should be a penalty for lies from a socalled minister, a week
with rich perhaps
O course National did not sell off all of the State Houses, and the
number of homeless has dropped since the election, but remained higher
than desirable. Nine years of high immigration, rapidly rising rents
through a housing crisis that was denied by the previous government
and rising inequality takes more than three years to turn around,
George.
John Bowes
2020-03-11 04:59:54 UTC
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Post by George
On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 14:55:42 -0700 (PDT)
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a
1618 waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not
going to achieve shit!
Evidently we are going to get the 'National sold off all the State
Houses' as the excuse for why the numbers of homeless have skyrocketed.
There should be a penalty for lies from a socalled minister, a week
with rich perhaps
O course National did not sell off all of the State Houses, and the
number of homeless has dropped since the election, but remained higher
than desirable. Nine years of high immigration, rapidly rising rents
through a housing crisis that was denied by the previous government
and rising inequality takes more than three years to turn around,
George.
The number of homeless have dropped since the election? You need to provide a cite for that Rich since several have given you links to homeless numbers which the Statistics dept seem to show as being higher......

you need to ignore the little voices Rich they're making you look l8ke a real fool rather than just a fool :)
George
2020-03-11 19:07:33 UTC
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The number of homeless have dropped since the election? You need to
provide a cite for that Rich since several have given you links to
homeless numbers which the Statistics dept seem to show as being
higher......
you need to ignore the little voices Rich they're making you look
l8ke a real fool rather than just a fool :)
The Speaker now acknowledges that NZF and Labor have alternative truths.
And all those figures (unemployed and homeless) from the relevant
government departments are wrong if quoted by National....
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John Bowes
2020-03-11 23:24:59 UTC
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The number of homeless have dropped since the election? You need to
provide a cite for that Rich since several have given you links to
homeless numbers which the Statistics dept seem to show as being
higher......
you need to ignore the little voices Rich they're making you look
l8ke a real fool rather than just a fool :)
The Speaker now acknowledges that NZF and Labor have alternative truths.
And all those figures (unemployed and homeless) from the relevant
government departments are wrong if quoted by National....
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Funny how Rich parrots the fake news from Labour and NZFraud :)
John Bowes
2020-03-12 01:07:47 UTC
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On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 14:55:42 -0700 (PDT)
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to address a
1618 waiting list for emergency housing! Like KiwiBuild it's not
going to achieve shit!
Evidently we are going to get the 'National sold off all the State
Houses' as the excuse for why the numbers of homeless have skyrocketed.
There should be a penalty for lies from a socalled minister, a week
with rich perhaps
O course National did not sell off all of the State Houses, and the
number of homeless has dropped since the election, but remained higher
than desirable. Nine years of high immigration, rapidly rising rents
through a housing crisis that was denied by the previous government
and rising inequality takes more than three years to turn around,
George.
Bet you don't have the balls to read this and admit your 'opinions' are just lies from a typical lying left wing loon! https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/120217889/public-housing-waitlist-tops-15000-as-new-builds-fail-to-keep-up-with-demand

List has doubled under YOUR glorious government who are no better at honesty than you Rich!
George
2020-03-12 19:13:29 UTC
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Post by George
On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 14:55:42 -0700 (PDT)
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to
address a 1618 waiting list for emergency housing! Like
KiwiBuild it's not going to achieve shit!
Evidently we are going to get the 'National sold off all the State
Houses' as the excuse for why the numbers of homeless have
skyrocketed. There should be a penalty for lies from a socalled
minister, a week with rich perhaps
O course National did not sell off all of the State Houses, and the
number of homeless has dropped since the election, but remained
higher than desirable. Nine years of high immigration, rapidly
rising rents through a housing crisis that was denied by the
previous government and rising inequality takes more than three
years to turn around, George.
Bet you don't have the balls to read this and admit your 'opinions'
are just lies from a typical lying left wing loon!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/120217889/public-housing-waitlist-tops-15000-as-new-builds-fail-to-keep-up-with-demand
List has doubled under YOUR glorious government who are no better at honesty than you Rich!
Should be a watch on politicians so that when they lie (as above) there
is a monetary cost to them...
And it is published.
Fake news has to print the doings of their left wing darlings :)
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John Bowes
2020-03-12 20:00:50 UTC
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Post by George
On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 14:55:42 -0700 (PDT)
Post by John Bowes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/120122641/government-buys-motel-in-bid-to-ease-housing-crisis-in-wellington
So the government has purchased a seventeen unit motel to
address a 1618 waiting list for emergency housing! Like
KiwiBuild it's not going to achieve shit!
Evidently we are going to get the 'National sold off all the State
Houses' as the excuse for why the numbers of homeless have
skyrocketed. There should be a penalty for lies from a socalled
minister, a week with rich perhaps
O course National did not sell off all of the State Houses, and the
number of homeless has dropped since the election, but remained
higher than desirable. Nine years of high immigration, rapidly
rising rents through a housing crisis that was denied by the
previous government and rising inequality takes more than three
years to turn around, George.
Bet you don't have the balls to read this and admit your 'opinions'
are just lies from a typical lying left wing loon!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/120217889/public-housing-waitlist-tops-15000-as-new-builds-fail-to-keep-up-with-demand
List has doubled under YOUR glorious government who are no better at
honesty than you Rich!
Should be a watch on politicians so that when they lie (as above) there
is a monetary cost to them...
And it is published.
Fake news has to print the doings of their left wing darlings :)
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Wouldn't work mate. Hell just look at the failures of the climate change predictions they've never published :)
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