Rich80105
2017-04-03 23:48:48 UTC
http://werewolf.co.nz/2017/04/gordon-campbell-on-shifty-bills-last-stand/
Worth reading in full, but near the end it includes:
"Clearly, a political decision has been made by the English government
that (a) very few people care about this issue and (b) very few people
will read the book and (c) the sort of people who read books written
by Nicky Hager and Jon Stephenson are never going to vote for National
anyway. In 2014, the government pursued the same strategy with respect
to Hagers last book Dirty Politics. That is, claim repeatedly that it
is fake news, rely heavily on public indifference and treat anyone who
thinks otherwise as politically expendable. If theyre dead theyre
insurgents and if they believe Hager, theyre dead to us. QED."
So do people not really care? It certainly hasn't disappeared from
our news media:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11831300
Rachel Smalley: Why can we have an inquiry about a dead dog, but not a
dead child?
It's no surprise there will be no inquiry into allegations about the
SAS raids in Afghanistan.
The process by which we've got to this decision is flawed.
The Chief of the Defence Force and the Prime Minister have looked at
video footage taken from aircraft that were involved in the 2010 raid
in Baghlan, and have said there's no case to answer.
Bill English says he didn't see all of the footage, but of what he saw
he's confident that troops involved in the raids met the "benchmark"
of acting within the rules of engagement.
The advice from defence head Tim Keating is there is no need for an
independent inquiry.
Neither Lieutenant General Keating nor the Prime Minister were in
their respective roles at the time of the raid.
Neither were involved in the decision-making process that led to the
raid.
Neither would have been involved in the aftermath.
The footage is from aircraft. Our troops were on the ground, and from
what we've been told, none of the SAS soldiers involved in the raid
have been spoken to about the allegations in the book Hit and Run.
Again, this is not a criticism of our Defence Force. Our Defence Force
have - and continue to do - remarkable work all over the world.
But you have to take heed of Wayne Mapp's comments. He was the
Government's Defence Minister at the time. A very capable and
well-respected Cabinet Minister. And he himself served as an infantry
major in the Territorials, specialising in military intelligence.
It was Mapp who said the raid was - quote - "disastrous". A "fiasco",
he said.
Surely his opinion and position on this is important. Something isn't
sitting comfortably on his shoulders. And we know - and the Government
has confirmed this - civilians died in that raid.
There should be an inquiry. I don't think it should be public, but it
should be independent.
I don't understand why, when there are so many questions to answer, we
won't budge on this.
Is it because they're Afghanis? Is it because they're people from a
failed state on the other side of the world who we don't identify
with? Is that why we find this easy to dismiss?
Is it because the Government is relying on the wrath of right-wingers
to discredit Hit & Run authors Nicky Hager and Jon Stephenson?
Again, we're playing the man and not the ball on this.
You cannot discredit Mapp's concerns. He was the Minister. He says
there should be an inquiry.
And what I would point out is this.
Right now we're in the midst of a two-month inquiry into why we shot a
dog at Auckland Airport.
A dog that was running amok, and held up 16 flights.
We're investigating a dog's death.
Come on, New Zealand.
Should we not be investigating how a 3-year-old girl was shot dead
while in her mother's arms in a small village in Afghanistan?
What does that say about us? About you and me? Why are we horrified by
shooting dead a dog, but not the killing of an Afghani toddler?
Answer that question for me, and tell me again that we shouldn't have
an inquiry.
Worth reading in full, but near the end it includes:
"Clearly, a political decision has been made by the English government
that (a) very few people care about this issue and (b) very few people
will read the book and (c) the sort of people who read books written
by Nicky Hager and Jon Stephenson are never going to vote for National
anyway. In 2014, the government pursued the same strategy with respect
to Hagers last book Dirty Politics. That is, claim repeatedly that it
is fake news, rely heavily on public indifference and treat anyone who
thinks otherwise as politically expendable. If theyre dead theyre
insurgents and if they believe Hager, theyre dead to us. QED."
So do people not really care? It certainly hasn't disappeared from
our news media:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11831300
Rachel Smalley: Why can we have an inquiry about a dead dog, but not a
dead child?
It's no surprise there will be no inquiry into allegations about the
SAS raids in Afghanistan.
The process by which we've got to this decision is flawed.
The Chief of the Defence Force and the Prime Minister have looked at
video footage taken from aircraft that were involved in the 2010 raid
in Baghlan, and have said there's no case to answer.
Bill English says he didn't see all of the footage, but of what he saw
he's confident that troops involved in the raids met the "benchmark"
of acting within the rules of engagement.
The advice from defence head Tim Keating is there is no need for an
independent inquiry.
Neither Lieutenant General Keating nor the Prime Minister were in
their respective roles at the time of the raid.
Neither were involved in the decision-making process that led to the
raid.
Neither would have been involved in the aftermath.
The footage is from aircraft. Our troops were on the ground, and from
what we've been told, none of the SAS soldiers involved in the raid
have been spoken to about the allegations in the book Hit and Run.
Again, this is not a criticism of our Defence Force. Our Defence Force
have - and continue to do - remarkable work all over the world.
But you have to take heed of Wayne Mapp's comments. He was the
Government's Defence Minister at the time. A very capable and
well-respected Cabinet Minister. And he himself served as an infantry
major in the Territorials, specialising in military intelligence.
It was Mapp who said the raid was - quote - "disastrous". A "fiasco",
he said.
Surely his opinion and position on this is important. Something isn't
sitting comfortably on his shoulders. And we know - and the Government
has confirmed this - civilians died in that raid.
There should be an inquiry. I don't think it should be public, but it
should be independent.
I don't understand why, when there are so many questions to answer, we
won't budge on this.
Is it because they're Afghanis? Is it because they're people from a
failed state on the other side of the world who we don't identify
with? Is that why we find this easy to dismiss?
Is it because the Government is relying on the wrath of right-wingers
to discredit Hit & Run authors Nicky Hager and Jon Stephenson?
Again, we're playing the man and not the ball on this.
You cannot discredit Mapp's concerns. He was the Minister. He says
there should be an inquiry.
And what I would point out is this.
Right now we're in the midst of a two-month inquiry into why we shot a
dog at Auckland Airport.
A dog that was running amok, and held up 16 flights.
We're investigating a dog's death.
Come on, New Zealand.
Should we not be investigating how a 3-year-old girl was shot dead
while in her mother's arms in a small village in Afghanistan?
What does that say about us? About you and me? Why are we horrified by
shooting dead a dog, but not the killing of an Afghani toddler?
Answer that question for me, and tell me again that we shouldn't have
an inquiry.